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5/5/2025 10:42:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: backbencher][Edited]
@scuba_steve

Please read the OP carefully before posting.  scuba_steve is our mod here & will police this thread as needed.

This is not a SIG hater's thread, pro-Glock thread, or a place for your opinions.  This is for data, good, bad, and indifferent.  Make Tech Great Again!

DO NOT POST YOUR OPINION HERE.  You are welcome to post your opinions in OTHER threads - then post a link to your post in the OTHER thread here.  If you want to argue w/ someone, do it elsewhere.  Like this post:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/?r=-1&page=1&anc=2554658#i2554664

If you have performed the so-called punch test, please post your results and I will add that to the tabulation in the Punch Test results post.  If your department, or a department you know of,  issues or authorizes P320s, or has recently stopped using them, please post the name & state of the department and I will add that to the department tracking post.  If you want to talk about the 8700 rounds through your P320, or the 8.7 years you've carried a P320 and it's never had an issue, please post that in GD or one of the other 320 threads - then post a link to your post here.

If you are aware of links on ARFCOM I have missed, or videos I have not posted, or other resources I have missed, please post them up and I will add those links to the different index posts as I have time.

I'm going to reserve 10 or so reply posts for various indices, then I will get back to adding data over the next several days.

If you feel I am being biased in this thread, please shoot me an IM and let's discuss it rather than cluttering this thread.
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
5/5/2025 10:42:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: backbencher][Edited] [#1]
Tech threads:

1 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Summary-report-of-Sig-failures/4-216150/

2 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/P320-M17-M18-Military-Photos/14-207589/

3 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/M17-and-M18-NSN-Slide-Availability/14-215542/

4 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/What-s-up-with-these-M18-s-/14-205990/

5 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Where-to-buy-SIG-P230-Mags-/14-216254/

6 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Sig-Forum-G19c-or-P320-Compact/14-216112/

7 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/The-M18/14-216079/

8 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Need-holster-guidance-320-x-ten-comp/14-215499/

9 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_58/209529_Sig-Romeo-M17-Truly-a-new-standard.html

10 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Does-anyone-EDC-a-Sig-320-/14-215610/

11 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/P320-issues/14-215880/

12 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Australian-M-O-D-P320978/14-215628/

13 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/P320-TXG-vs-AXG-grip-module-recoil-impulse-/14-215731/

14 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/I-put-a-comp-on-a-FS320/14-215642/

15 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/P320-9mm-Slide-Bolt-and-Hole-Question/14-215638/

16 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/P-320-Subcompact-what-am-I-doing-wrong-/14-215149/

17 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Nightstand-gun-SP2022-or-M17-which-and-why-/14-215410/

18 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Integrally-compensated-320-slide-for-full-size-barrel-/14-215200/

19 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Sig-320-and-CZ-P09-holster-compatability/14-215287/

20 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Recommend-a-leather-Holster-for-a-SIG-M-17-with-a-Romeo-17/14-215302/

21 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Lighter-recoil-spring-when-unsuppressed-P320-/14-215210/

22 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Can-someone-explain-the-P320-like-I-m-5-years-old-/14-215119/

23 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Australian-Defense-Forces-SIGP320978/14-215128/

24 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/320-Wilson-Grip-module/14-214992/

25 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Dpm-recoil-system-or-solid-guide-rod-1911-springs-for-tuning-comp-d-p320/14-214808/

26 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Which-P320-parts-to-stock-up-on-for-high-round-count-guns/14-214906/

27 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Testing-my-P320-for-Undesired-Discharge/14-214667/

28 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Has-anybody-sold-a-320-recently-/14-214617/

29 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Empire-320-AXG-grips/14-216683/

30 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/What-is-the-latest-info-on-the-P320/14-216577/

31 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/FBI-report-SIG-doomed-blah-blah-blah-there-is-still-NO-root-cause-/14-216982/

32 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/320-SELF-FIRING/14-216971/

33 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Modifying-used-Sig-P320-pistols-/4-217016/

34 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/SIG-320/4-217069/

35 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/M9-to-the-rescue/15-217067/

36 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Bruce-Gray-Grayguns-P320-M17/14-217105/

37 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/SIG-320-Pulled-by-Houston-PD/14-217194/

38 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P320-Xten-10mm-reliability-or-problems-/14-217301/

39 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Is-it-only-me-or-would-anyone-else-like-to-see-Sig-make-a-/4-217908/

40 https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/P320-FRT-/130-792188/

41 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Swiss-Adopt-P320/14-218061/

42 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Sent-P-320-to-the-bench-/14-218139/

43 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/218345_Is-the-p320-safe-now-.html

44 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_14/218448_Do-you-trust-your-p320-enough-to-ccw-.html

45 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Best-P320-adapter-plate-/14-218607/

46 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Optic-for-P320-Flux-Defense-Raider/14-218609/

47 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/US-Army-M17/75-2810119/

48 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/2026-Sig-320-pistols/14-218677/

49 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Is-this-normal-for-the-Sig-P320-X5-DH3-/14-218860/

50 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Australian-police-in-Sydney-switching-to-Glock/13-218929/

51 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Grayguns-P320-Tab-Trigger/14-219120/

52 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/M18s-in-use-April-2026-at-Quantico/14-219378/

53 https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Texas-Triggers-FRT-for-the-Sig-320/130-794155/

54 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Sig-M17-threaded-barrel-/14-219543/

55 https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/I-don-t-have-a-PCC-I-DO-have-a-P320/48-562315/

56 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Is-Flux-chassis-dead-for-the-320/14-219806/

57 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/FRT-for-P320-FLux-/14-219739/

GD threads:

1 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2782910_SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-.html

2 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2792279_TDI-will-No-Longer-Allow-the-use-of-SIG-P320-Pistols-at-their-classes-.html

3 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2792484_New-sig-320-uncommanded-discharge.html

4 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2789768_Sig-Sauer-P320-banned-by-the-Denver-Police-Department.html

5 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2791116_Sig-P320-put-on-your-finest-tinfoil-headwear-and-join-me-inside-.html

6 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2790184_Texas-Department-of-Public-Safety-Selects-Sig-M17.html

7 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2789349_Holstered-P320-fires-during-Achilles-Heel-Tactical-class.html

8 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2794064_video-is-this-what-causes-the-p320-to-go-off-on-its-own-.html

9 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIGUSA-responds-/5-2794154/

10 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-sued-for-wrongful-death/5-2794243/

11 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Gun-Jesus-on-the-P320-Debacle/5-2794535/

12 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-P320-Factory-Upgrade-eliminating-AD-probs-Poll-Would-you-buy-it-now-/5-2794355/

13 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2796419_SIG-P320-This-guy-may-have-found-the-problem-.html

14 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-Banned-/5-2796599/

15 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Another-P320-Self-firing/5-2796898/

16 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Are-you-stocking-up-on-P320s-/5-2798953/

17 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/GD-acceptable-new-9mm-pistol-for-range-work-P320-Legion-is-No-Go/5-2799295/

18 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/P320-Discharge-to-the-nuts-/5-2802244/

19 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-can-t-get-a-break-Another-one-/5-2802935/#top

20 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-Sauer-and-Manual-Safetys/5-2803173/

21 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Even-the-FBI-says-the-P320-is-trash-/5-2803454/

22 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/M18-marked-Sig-P320/5-2803498/

23 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-do-you-think-the-final-P320-fix-will-be-/5-2803654/

24 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Bye-Bye-P320-you-are-DEPORTED-/5-2803734/

25 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/It-doesn-t-end-for-SIG-it-s-just-getting-started-/5-2803960/

26 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/sig-p320-another-thread-/5-2803987/

27 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2803822_If-you-don-t-like-the-320-b-c-you-dislike-the-low-bid-gun-.html

28 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2804102_IF-sig-were-to-lose-gov-le-contracts-.html

29 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/If-you-have-a-real-hard-trigger-wall-on-your-P320-please-watch-/5-2804226/

30 https://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=2804847&tl=You-re-on-a-murder-jury-The-weapon-was-a-SIG-P320-

31 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/

32 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Should-the-US-Military-Pull-the-Plug-On-the-M18-aka-P320/5-2805784/

33 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-would-it-take-for-Sig-to-do-a-P320-buyback-/5-2805855/

34 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Global-Strike-Command-dishonorably-discharges/5-2805844/

35 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-Official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2806029/

36 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Is-this-the-final-straw-for-the-P320-/5-2806008/

37 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/They-should-have-just-went-with-a-newer-M9/5-2806096/

38 https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/Promotional-email-in-extremely-poor-taste/301-307011/

39 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Poll-US-Military-M17-and-M18-Users/5-2806152/

40 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Here-s-your-proof-gentlemen-P320-un-commanded-discharge-/5-2806343/

41 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Video-of-a-guy-consistently-making-his-Sig-P320-discharge-not-touching-the-trigger/5-2806466/

42 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-s-Real-P320-Problem-is-no-Longer-Uncommanded-Discharges-Gun-Jesus/5-2806468/

43 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-sues-Washington-s-police-academy-over-P320-ban/5-2806582/

44 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Is-the-P320-the-only-pistol-that-disassembles-with-just-the-rotating-lever-/5-2806182/

45 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-takes-out-another-one-Ben-Stoeger-banned-from-both-Facebook-and-Instagram/5-2806587/

46 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/They-should-just-go-with-Glock-/5-2806624/

47 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Here-s-what-Sig-Sauer-is-going-to-in-the-immediate-future-regarding-the-P320-fiasco/5-2806714/

48 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/They-should-just-go-with-FN/5-2806710/

49 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-Official-Statement/5-2806870/

50 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Two-sincere-questions-for-those-who-still-defend-Sig-or-aren-t-convinced-the-320-is-flawed-/5-2806862/

51 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2806849_Tell-me-why-my-P320-theory-is-wrong-please-.html

52 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2806964_Can-the-Sig-P320-be-made-safe-.html

53 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Can-you-imagine-if-the-Army-would-have-adopted-the-CZ-P09-instead-of-Sig-/5-2806958/

54 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/When-did-you-notice-Sig-going-downhill-/5-2806971/

55 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Rate-me-lunch-w-p320-goodness/5-2806975/

56 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/IDPA-bans-the-Sig-P320/5-2807100/

57 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/5-2807125/

58 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Glocks-Can-Go-Off-With-the-Same-Diddling-as-the-P320-/5-2807237/

59 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-Sauer-must-face-ICE-officer-s-lawsuit-over-accidental-gun-firing/5-2807340/

60 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-memes-/5-2807427/

61 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-Sauer-s-Phil-Strader-Sexual-Assault-Allegations/5-2807418/

62 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Another-nail-in-Sig-s-coffin-/5-2807564/

63 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-is-the-Air-Force-s-Investigation-Process-and-How-Long-Will-it-Take-to-Complete-/5-2807671/

64 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/If-we-could-get-Sydney-Sweeney-to-shoot-a-SIG-P320-/5-2807674/

65 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/So-How-many-used-sig-p320-365-pistols-are-in-your-local-gun-shops-/5-2807725/

66 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Ladies-and-Gents-There-may-be-a-fix-for-the-P320-/5-2807901/

67 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Claims-of-leaked-sig-320-cad-files/5-2808090/

68 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Has-anyone-posted-that-the-Airman-lied-and-sigs-are-safe-yet-/5-2808362/

69 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Air-Force-makes-arrest-related-to-M18/5-2808305/

70 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Dang-beat-by-seconds--DUPE-DELETE/5-2808347/

71 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Just-visited-Sig-website/5-2808306/

72 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/ICE-dumped-the-Sig-P320-Found-the-ICE-contract-to-Glock-for-Glock-COA-pistols-/5-2808391/

73 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Glock-COA-civilian-sales-canceled-for-now-/5-2808271/

74 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-PDW-Being-Slept-On-Strike-Industries-SMC-Alpha-Mk2/5-2808953/

75 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-P320-banned-from-largest-gun-club-in-Florida/5-2809514/

76 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Other-guns-that-can-go-out-without-pulling-trigger/5-2810092/

77 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-Hitler/5-2809843/

78 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Why-TF-are-Sig-P320s-being-sold-on-EE-for-nearly-full-price-/5-2811001/

79 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/So-I-brought-the-P320-to-the-range-/5-2811258/

80 https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Sig-P320-self-firing-issue-only-in-9mm-/14-217132/

81 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2811875_Will-India-tariffs-cause-SIG-to-raise-prices-.html

82 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-Airman-charged-with-involuntary-manslaughter-in-the-P320-incident-found-dead/5-2819612/

83 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2823361_anyone-besides-me-still-carrying-the-Sig-P320-.html

84 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/P320-It-really-should-end-today-/5-2823541/

85 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Any-deals-on-Flux-Raider-chassis-for-the-320-/5-2823686/

86 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Why-doesn-t-SIG-just-make-a-bigger-P365-and-dump-the-320-/5-2823677/

87 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Salad-days-for-the-P320/5-2824457/

88 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-P320-beats-out-Gluck-and-HK/5-2824635/

89 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Swiss-Army-adopts-P320-despite-non-approval-for-troop-suitability-/5-2824673/

90 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/A-Sig-Sauer-was-here/5-2826216/

91 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-in-the-clear-now-/5-2831281/

92 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/POTUS-is-talking-about-Sigcidents-now-/5-2831399/

93 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/I-m-calling-it-now-the-MN-shooting-was-a-Sigcident-/5-2831421/

94 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-new-official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2831480/

95 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/P320-So-Sig-is-quietly-/5-2832238/

96 https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2836179_Are-the-Turks-cloning-the-320-now-.html

97 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-s-the-current-state-of-the-P320-/5-2837883/

98 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-Happened-with-the-P320-Scandal-/5-2841187/

99 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Not-today-Sig-320-not-today-/5-2841784/

100 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-new-new-Official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2841208/

101 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/A-P320-firing-by-squeezing-the-slide-and-frame/5-2845048/

102 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Should-I-buy-a-Sig-P320-/5-2847146/

103 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Who-here-has-had-a-p320-UD-or-witnessed-it-/5-2847341/

104 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Ben-Stoeger-didn-t-see-a-P320-fire-uncommanded-into-a-competitor-s-leg-no-video-/5-2848662/

105 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Swiss-Army-has-adopted-the-P320-as-their-new-service-pistol/5-2848598/

106 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What-s-your-Buy-it-Now-price-for-a-P320/5-2850583/

107 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/OH-no-another-SIG-Sauer-P320-thread-/5-2852302/

108 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Did-Sig-actually-end-it-/5-2855028/

109 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Federal-jury-finds-no-defects-in-SIG-P320-in-unintended-discharge-case-/5-2854971/

110 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Someone-made-an-FRT-for-a-P320/5-2854986/

111 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/P320-THREAD-Air-Force-Clears-Over-100k-M18-Pistols/5-2856165/

112 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Sig-resuming-P320-marketing/5-2857994/

113 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Is-Sig-going-to-quietly-drop-the-P320-/5-2858951/

114 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Official-SIG-P320-video-thread-Mk-iv/5-2859007/
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5/5/2025 10:42:35 PM EDT
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The FBI report:

Attached File


https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

Many thanks to Ohio for posting the link.

Greyguns' short video on LFD's findings of the false sear from incorrect assembly of the 320 after field stripping:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKP_3hkz9jN/

The infamous punch test:  Please post your results.

Testing two P320's for Uncommanded Discharge: One PASS, one FAIL


Punch test w/ a Laser cartridge - pass in M17 w/ safety on & off:

Does the Sig Sauer (SIG) P320 fire without the trigger being pulled? (Uncommanded Discharge)


If you have fears the punch test might damage your striker block or sear, here is an alternative method that seemingly correlates w/ failing striker blocks:

P320 Sear Movement Test followup: It's all about the Trigger Bar and Trigger


https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/&page=1&anc=2554671#i2554676

gibson0822 - 20/0 success/failures on M17, no safety, Wilson Combat grip.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/&page=1&anc=2554787#i2554895

No-Me-Pises - two complete slides, one from Zev technologies with oem SIG internals and another which is the oem M18-P320 slide, with oem SIG internals as well. On the "punch" test, I got 0/11 with the zev slide and 5/11 with the M18-P320 slide.
Replaced his broken return spring, gets 0/10 safety on & off w/ both slides:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQtqM59abVA

@50cal -
Originally Posted By 50cal:  I did the punch test on both my 320/M17's. They both pass the "disconnector tests" as shown in the video. Checked a coworkers pistol, it failed the test.  Have no idea if it makes a difference.  Both of mine are manual safety FCU's. His is not.
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Important informative links:

Possibly more comprehensive than this thread:  https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/api/v1/file/ea6f9ffc-394d-4710-9de9-6324b90c42a9.pdf

@FlashMan-7k 's very comprehensive post from the 87 page GD thread:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?page=54#i113174948

Also posted conveniently below:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/#i2554667

https://www.sigtalk.com/forums/p250-p320-p320-x-5-m17-m18-pistols.54/

Statement on the P320 sear locking patent:  https://angledspade.com/the-angle/press-release-angled-spade-technologies-patent-application-us20250164203a1/
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Links to Negligent/Uncommanded Discharges:

Unless you have relevant VERIFIABLE information pertaining to these videos/links, please do not comment in this thread with your opinion of what happened in the incident.  There are 87 different threads linked above where you can express your opinion.  If you do have knowledge about the incident portrayed that you can LINK to, please post the link and I will update this post w/ the relevant link.

https://www.wvlt.tv/2025/05/27/nationwide-reports-popular-pistol-firing-without-trigger-pull-uncovered-by-wsmv4-investigates/

Gunghis2023 Steel Challenge Match

CBS Austin reporting on two Texas cases

Their original reporting on the La Grange incident

https://rcmp.ca/en/pei/news/2025/09/discharge-police-firearm-milton-station-determined-be-non-criminal  Cheers to @Spart
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Video links:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-new-new-Official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2841208/

Archived thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-new-official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2831480/

Archived thread:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-Official-SIG-P320-video-thread/5-2806029/

Gray Guns' channel

Three P320's in a Trenchcoat - where the Punch Test comes from:  https://www.youtube.com/@P320Truther

A short where he demonstrates a 10mm takedown safety lever in a 9mm FCU w/ possible striker block failure

LFD Research's channel, who I believe were the 1st to demonstrate the false sear resulting from the non-mandated reassembly method

Ben Stoeger's YouTube channel, where he has been posting about the recent controversy following SIG's Twitter post on March 7th, 2025:  https://www.youtube.com/@BenStoeger187/videos

2019 ND/UC that has recently come to light:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV_HK3SOZmU

Tundra Tactical's YouTube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@TundraTactical/videos

Modern Tactical Shooting's take, have not watched:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kv3upNkQtw

OutOfFocusClips's YouTube channel, recent videos focusing on the 320 saga:  https://www.youtube.com/@FocusClipps2/videos

NC SHP using the gun, listing some of the lawsuits & indidents

YouTube's most notorious homosexual GunTuber, @ odds w/ our own MrGunsNGear

Huntsville Guns 21 March 2025

Short against appendix carry

2021

Reported sear fracture from unknown date by unknown person.

MAC interviews SIG

MAC in 2018

TrenchGrenade's channel

Armed Defender's channel

Sig Armorer's channel

Ian in 2023

Ian does the Flux Raider

Ian McCollum's take

Joey Russo from March 2025

Armed Defender - "It is what it is"

Huntsville Guns

Magic Prepper from September? 2024 - SIG lawsuit loss

WSMV4 - Nashville report

No-Me-Pises punch testing his 320 slides w/ a laser cartridge

Seattle news station report

And another video from them

The Gray Dog compares 320 & Glock internal safeties in 2024.

Jeffrey Webb in 2021

Hop on the P250 & how it became the P320 - 2024

ARFCOM's own @Obey in 2024 - 226 vs 320

Wyoming Gun Project doing videos on the false sear on reassembly issue

State of the 250 in 2019

TimberFallingCouple did the sear leg chop

Honest Outlaw's channel

Ian on the USMC M18 in 2023

Manual safety installation & removal

250 vs 320 in 2015

This 2015 video is 320 vs 250

2016 video on the 250/320 grip frame

2024 250 vs 320

RDR Gear in 2023

Even Steven channel with several 320 videos

sootch00 in 2017

2021 SIG Custom Works FCU

Hipster Tactical

"My Opinion" 's take on the 320 - not OP's opinion

The Gun Collective wades in

North Woods Yankee's channel

Shatter The Wicked short

1Shot TV's take

Protraband's channel

Bullseye Channel

Spartan Defense 2024

USCCA in 2024

Nightwood Guns

Guns R Us

2023 365 vs 320

SIG Guy channel

Bryan Brock Andrews UD test

Jeffrey Webb in 2021

Boom Stick Tactical 2022

Carry Trainer's take

Milwaukee news station in 2021

Grey Dog in 2024

NicktheVeteran

Fudd Blasters from 2024

2A Cops

320 grip comparison

Texas Surplus Pro

Jason Quickel

Nick McEachern

Adjacent Ace

Inferior Rifles Commercial vs .mil M18

Tactical Fellowship from 2022

Chillios2222 discusses the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commision report

Hegshot87 from 2024

Groin shot video

Osage County Guns from 2015 on the 320 & 250

40CalNevadaUSA

A Bird Freedom Support

VSO channel

Gun Deals

lon242

Liberty Doll

Inside Edition

CollapseNProtect

Micah Mayfield

NAVYMAN8903

Dick Fairburn

Christian Warrior

Tennessee Tactical

10mm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHj5OZVIg3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX-M81POvlA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-kTX-SE6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx6PRSkx_Zg

XTen magazine issue

Following the unfotunate death of Airman Brayden Lovan, it seems as if every gunTuber is publishing a SIG P320 video, making this listing near impossible to maintain.  Please refer to the linked GD thread at the top of this post for updates.
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US Military tracker:

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern

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https://www.warren.af.mil/News/Releases/Article/4251188/90th-missile-wing-confirms-on-base-airman-fatality/

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https://www.twz.com/land/sig-m18-pistols-pulled-from-use-by-air-force-global-strike-command

https://www.twz.com/land/what-will-american-bomber-pilots-fly-with-after-sig-m18-pistols-pulled-from-use

https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/air-force-pauses-use-of-m18-pistol-after-death-of-21-year-old-airman-at/article_c0389562-a406-466e-a854-157a9bb7c7ed.html

https://ky-leadernews.com/brayden-tyriq-lovan/" target="_blank">https://ky-leadernews.com/brayden-tyriq-lovan/

https://www.twz.com/land/sig-m18-pistol-restrictions-expand-to-usaf-air-combat-command-units

https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/ef/ba/94e6643e458a90109c15c578579d/army-2023-02-08.pdf

A very new RUMINT wrinkle:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?r=-1&page=108&anc=114315087#i114314989

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https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08/air-force-makes-arrest-in-airmans-shooting-death-involving-m18-pistol/

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-m18-arrest/

https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4284351/afgsc-completes-m18-handgun-inspection-returns-to-service/

https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/dead-airman-identified-as-man-under-investigation-in-another-airman-s-death/article_730158e0-a37c-4b8d-a396-8af4d7086fa7.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/army-probing-m17-safety-protocols-after-soldier-s-fatal-shooting/gm-GMF5C30C37

https://www.ammoland.com/2026/08/sig-m17-m18-cleared-p320-safety-questions/
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Department, range, & professional organizations tracker:

Current military users:

US

Switzerland

Canada

Denmark

Australia (NSW police transitioning to Glock)

Mexican National Guard

Current Users:

NC SHP

Texas DPS, using P320, just adopted a no-manual safety version of the M17, presumably to move to optics:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2790184_Texas-Department-of-Public-Safety-Selects-Sig-M17.html

Ohio State Highway Patrol

Tampa PD

Michigan State Police, who commissioned the FBI report

Indiana State Police adopt the P320

Current users transitioning away:

Chicago PD just dropped P320 for new recruits, still authorized for existing users:

https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/sig-sauer-p320-banned-by-chicago-police-department/

OK HP ditching the 320.

Colorado:  Larimer County Sheriff Department, Fort Collins PD

Oklahoma Highway Patrol - phasing out P320. Prohibiting P320 for duty use.

Nichols Hills, OK. Police Department- Phasing out P320

ICE transitioning to P365, then Glock

Uniformed Secret Service

San Antonio PD

MCSO, AZ

FDLE

Houston, TX PD

NSW police transitioning from 320 to Glock

Former users:

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority, transitioned in 2019 following the linked video above.

OKC PD

Marble Falls TX PD

Derby PD, Kansas

Colorado:  Weld County Sheriff Department

Oregon DPSST(Police Academy)has banned the use of the Sig 320 on the range

https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/320-SELF-FIRING/14-216971/?r=-1&page=1&anc=2563499#i2564138

Wyoming HP

Originally Posted By joe_sun:  This is a list from Grok3 of all the agencies that won’t allow their officers to carry the P320, afaik ICE is the latest to ban the gun.

•  Milwaukee Police Department (Wisconsin, USA)
•  Dallas Police Department (Texas, USA)
•  SEPTA Transit Police (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA)
•  Chicago Police Department (Illinois, USA)
•  Oklahoma City Police Department (Oklahoma, USA)
•  Denver Police Department (Colorado, USA)
•  Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission (Washington, USA)
•  Montville Police Department (Connecticut, USA)
•  Orange Police Department (Connecticut, USA)
•  Petersburg Police Department (Florida, USA)
•  Bridge City Police Department (Texas, USA)
•  La Grange Police Department (Texas, USA)
•  Marble Falls Independent School District Police Department (Texas, USA)
•  Laredo Police Department (Texas, USA)
•  Vancouver Police Department (Washington, USA)
•  Clark County Sheriff’s Office (Washington, USA)
•  Pierce County Sheriff’s Department (Washington, USA)
•  Marysville Police Department (Washington, USA)
•  Anacortes Police Department (Washington, USA)
•  Honesdale Borough Police Department (Pennsylvania, USA)
•  Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE, USA)
•  Canadian Joint Task Force 2 (JTF-2, Canada)
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ICE

Arizona State Police banned optional carry of the P320

US Marshalls Service

San Franscisco PD, San Franscisco Sherrif's Office, AND San Francisco County CHL holders

Range prohibitions:

Austin PD range

WA state Police Academy

Gunsite

Presscheck Consulting, Belton Gun Club

Port Malabar Rifle and Pistol Club, Florida

SUPS, Utah

Other professional advisories:

https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/p/safety-advisory-immediate-prohibition

Anti-gun journalists tracking former 320 using agencies & how they disposed of guns they deemed defective

Hunter Freeland Shooting classes have banned the 320.

IDPA just banned it - 31 July 2025

Ohio Tactical Officers Association

Tallahassee Practical Shooters Steel Challenge Matches

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For tracking KaBooms/possible OOB reports:
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For links and information concerning the early drop safe issues of the 320, now resolved:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program

My apologies for the avantlink imposed by ARFCOM.

P320 - PRE v. POST UPGRADE ANALYSIS


Thanks to HighPlains1911 - now deleted SIG video explaining the drop safe upgrade:  https://web.archive.org/web/20190528161002/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vIY2EoJwE

Legally Armed America from 2018

Garand Thumb drops a bunch of pistols

1st Shot Tactical short
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Converting this space to news article links, now that this has gone mainstream:

https://stateline.org/2025/03/10/more-law-enforcement-agencies-reconsider-use-of-popular-sig-sauer-p320-handgun/

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/his-gun-just-went-off-guard-says-sig-p320-fired-unexpectedly-at-usaa-guard-gate


An example of an opinion link, rather than posting my opinion here:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?r=-1&page=70&anc=113402276#i113402293

If someone is interested in my opinion, they can follow my link - or not.  If you want to argue w/ me about my opinion - then you do it in the thread the opinion is posted in - not here.

Thank you in advance for keeping this Tech thread Tech.
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The drop safe problems on the un-upgraded guns:

Drop test a sig p320 yes it goes BANG!! 1st time on carpet!






Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test


Sig Sauer P320: Before & After Voluntary Upgrade


https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/p320-upgrade-program-information

https://www.smbb.com/practice/defective-firearms-attorneys/

https://www.kherkhergarcia.com/sig-sauer-wrongful-death-lawsuits/

https://www.schmidtlaw.com/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit/

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/12/04/2991675/0/en/Breaking-Wrongful-Death-Lawsuit-Filed-Against-Gunmaker-Sig-Sauer-After-Local-Business-Owner-Shot-Killed-At-Home-By-His-Holstered-Defectively-Designed-P320-Pistol.html

Montville police officer’s handgun went off inside the Montville Police Department




https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern

https://www.thetrace.org/2024/06/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit-safety-issues/

Fit and finish





SIG P320 Uncommanded Discharge on Video


https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-sauer-statement-on-montville-ct-police-department-incident



P320 - STRIKER SAFETY DISENGAGEMENT PARAMETERS


Legal PDF:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XCGiOsP9aymOaEKg6pLSObYXM9tRBv4p/view


Screen grab from the above:

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"SIG SAUER INTEL REPORT"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ozkb5vouKqtVeHxGBtRJ5z9BVlHMF6k4Uf3gsnLe9Zc/edit?tab=t.hdaevbdop0sf

Document Format Note:
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Version 1.0.1

Introduction:
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What the heck is going on with the Sig P320?

Vid comment:
@stanthebamafan
1 month ago
I’m a mechanical engineer in the medical device industry. I’ve worked for many years in everything from product design to manufacturing to quality. After seeing the photos of manufacturing defects from the expert witness testimony in the various lawsuits, I think this is an egregiously bad design and even worse quality control over contracted MIM parts from third world countries. Guns are like medical devices, where even a 1% catastrophic failure rate should be unacceptable. A lot of people don’t understand how manufacturing defects work. You see people say, “I own two of these guns and I’ve never had a problem.” Good, you might be in the 99%. But if 1% of the customer base has their gun going off in the holster, that’s unacceptable. Based on the photos of the manufacturing defects, and callous gaslighting responses by Sig, I would never recommend any modern Sigs to anyone.








https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?page=18#i112807738
Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy:
No way.

Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct.

If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more.

But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore.
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They absolutely will go petty targeting anyone for anything. Doxxing is something they've done in the past.

Even to arfcom-ers. @03RN
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Instagram and youtube version of a video posted by ben stoeger: (just go watch it there, it's much higher res than the gifs going around):

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHMFn6QOJJi/

For Sig “It Ends Today”


As KentuckyWindage pointed out, the fingers you see away from the triger guard do not appear to be the trigger finger. From my downloading the file and watching it frame--by-frame in virtualdub You can't see *where* trigger finger is.  His pinkie and ring fingers are wrapped around the gun's grip . His middle finger is the one you see pointing down.

*you can't see* his trigger finger.*  

We don't know where it was. Someone would have to have had video from directly to the side.

According to another user, that was an IMI RHS holster, and that poster said sig sold it in the past co-branded as sig official merch:

https://imidefense.com/product/polymer-retention-paddle-holster-for-sig-sauer-p250-full-size-p320/



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Video of multiple inidents with VO:

The Sig P320 is ‘Perfect’





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THESE TWO ARE THE STRIKER TEST AND FOLLOW ON VIDS / 3 P320S in a trenchcoat "suit wearing dude."

Testing two P320's for Uncommanded Discharge: One PASS, one FAIL


P320 Sear Movement Test followup: It's all about the Trigger Bar and Trigger


From here down, other videos.

Rangemaster’s Bench Episode: Why I No Longer Use the Sig P320


Rangemaster’s Bench Episode: How I Created An Uncommanded Discharge In My P320


P320 Uncommanded Discharge Function Check


P320 SHORTCUTS - ACCIDENTAL SAFETY BY-PASS TESTING METHOD


Stoeger instagram of a striker safety finger check:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHrb7gxhxq1/

On the topic of QC and tolerancing, and why it may not be as simple as a few measurements:


https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2019-04-03/sig-sauer-ceo-avoids-jail-time-for-role-in-illegal-arms-shipment

Local departments oppose Washington police academy's handgun ban



How the glock works:



320:



1911 series 70: (series 80 adds a firing pin block that is slid out of the way via linkage to the trigger)

In the 1911 this is at least partially accounted for in the design where the firing pin has to be hit hard enough to overcome the spring pushing it back.

In the design(s) at question, the "firing pin" (striker) is already under pressure from the spring that pushes it forwards with enough force to fire the primer.    One design has multiple blockages to the hammer being let go, the other has the "firing pin" (striker) ready to go and you have to pull the stops on it off.

How a gun (Colt M1911) works! (Animation)


In order for a non-trigger pull to make the sear let go of the hammer, you have to move the sear out of the shelf on the hammer. The mainspring is pushing the hammer in rotation force (not technical language) against the sear.

The sear has to overcome the leaf spring to move, as well; and this is designed so that in normal operation the trigger has to depress the sear and disconnector backwards against that spring pressure.  Also, you have to *rotate* the sear or straight up break it in some way that allows the hammer to fall without the remains of the sear getting in the way.

If the leaf spring with the fingers that pressure the sear agains the hammer fails or goes weak, you'll feel a difference in cocking the weapon. If the pin for the sear deforms, that's harder to spot, but you may note the faces on either side going out of paralell because the pin has bent.

It's really not the same as having a striker / "firing pin" held back that is under spring loaded pressure that you "let go of."






Also, the safety, when in use, locks the sear to the hammer:



Reportedly p250, the neon green part is what stops the firing pin from going if the trigger isn't pulled:



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https://www.news9.com/story/67f89205e5fad4a64be9e787/records-show-oklahoma-law-enforcement-officials-concerned-over-popular-service-weapon

https://www.instagram.com/achillesheeltactical/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

@Instananners
11 hours ago
I’m AHT’s media director and the one who filmed this. It was an X5 FCU and gray guns trigger and slide. I also exclusively shoot P320’s and have for 5+ years. I am now switching after seeing this first hand and realizing it was NOT user error and the gun wasn’t touched at all.
Link to commentor's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Instananners

He gets into the 320 at 8:28 :
5 Pistols I Don't Want To Shoot Anymore


Another reaction to the ATC ND:
Another Sig P320 Negligent Discharge Caught On Camera. Wow.


https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIaAFMGMf_-/

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ETA 4-19-2025
https://www.morningstar.com/news/globe-newswire/9412125/22-victims-of-sig-sauer-p320-across-16-states-file-new-lawsuits-in-federal-court-against-the-gunmaker-alleging-its-pistol-is-dangerously-defective

Hat tip to @glklvr

He found it.

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ETA 5-13-25

Hat tip to @craig24680




Here's the documentation PDF that site links of incidents, legal actions and lawsuits, various agency responses and bans of the 320, and technical evaluations shorn of all the insane link hijinx (this stuff is too important to be doing that kind of stuff):

https://www.christianwarriortraining.com/api/v1/file/ea6f9ffc-394d-4710-9de9-6324b90c42a9.pdf

Text of the publicly available PDF in the spoiler fold below.

Please at least go to the guy's substack (give him a click by visiting) for his effort!

IDK the guy at all. He put in some effort documenting stuff.

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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227964/download-1_jpg-3484255.JPG

The drop safe problems on the un-upgraded guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsljmVh-GFQ

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-13-2019/hbQn6c.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTe87kATmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQLWaEAPERg

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/p320-upgrade-program-information

https://www.smbb.com/practice/defective-firearms-attorneys/

https://www.kherkhergarcia.com/sig-sauer-wrongful-death-lawsuits/

https://www.schmidtlaw.com/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit/

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/12/04/2991675/0/en/Breaking-Wrongful-Death-Lawsuit-Filed-Against-Gunmaker-Sig-Sauer-After-Local-Business-Owner-Shot-Killed-At-Home-By-His-Holstered-Defectively-Designed-P320-Pistol.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RIvHsZZ9ho

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern

https://www.thetrace.org/2024/06/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit-safety-issues/

Fit and finish

https://i.postimg.cc/NjRgwVC5/parts-finish.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-HzQ5cQ9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CYjoK2bqo

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-sauer-statement-on-montville-ct-police-department-incident

https://www.sigsauer.com/media/wysiwyg/CT-POLICE-DEPARTMENT-INCEDENT-PR-IMAGE.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0MpcFEXWhc

Legal PDF:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XCGiOsP9aymOaEKg6pLSObYXM9tRBv4p/view


Screen grab from the above:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62477/IMG_4655_jpeg-3486538.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/1000012161_jpg-3492663.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gWg6C6Qpoo
Vid comment:
@stanthebamafan
1 month ago
I’m a mechanical engineer in the medical device industry. I’ve worked for many years in everything from product design to manufacturing to quality. After seeing the photos of manufacturing defects from the expert witness testimony in the various lawsuits, I think this is an egregiously bad design and even worse quality control over contracted MIM parts from third world countries. Guns are like medical devices, where even a 1% catastrophic failure rate should be unacceptable. A lot of people don’t understand how manufacturing defects work. You see people say, “I own two of these guns and I’ve never had a problem.” Good, you might be in the 99%. But if 1% of the customer base has their gun going off in the holster, that’s unacceptable. Based on the photos of the manufacturing defects, and callous gaslighting responses by Sig, I would never recommend any modern Sigs to anyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1Fw2YKCoE



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gl8otCjXMAA96Dp?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?page=18#i112807738


Instagram and youtube version of a video posted by ben stoeger: (just go watch it there, it's much higher res than the gifs going around):

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHMFn6QOJJi/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1v9WaXg0eQ

As KentuckyWindage pointed out, the fingers you see away from the triger guard do not appear to be the trigger finger. From my downloading the file and watching it frame--by-frame in virtualdub You can't see *where* trigger finger is.  His pinkie and ring fingers are wrapped around the gun's grip . His middle finger is the one you see pointing down.

*you can't see* his trigger finger.*  

We don't know where it was. Someone would have to have had video from directly to the side.

According to another user, that was an IMI RHS holster, and that poster said sig sold it in the past co-branded as sig official merch:

https://imidefense.com/product/polymer-retention-paddle-holster-for-sig-sauer-p250-full-size-p320/

https://imidefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/IMI-Z1060-1.jpg

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/1000012177_jpg-3490522.JPG

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmDH2qpWAAA91kB?format=jpg&name=orig

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmDIDSFWgAA7vB4?format=png&name=orig

Video of multiple inidents with VO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs3vIWkkm2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHy8YOQexo


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/IMG_0277_jpeg-3494690.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/IMG_0275_jpeg-3494691.JPG

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmbYv_AWYAAQkuT?format=jpg&name=orig

THESE TWO ARE THE STRIKER TEST AND FOLLOW ON VIDS / 3 P320S in a trenchcoat "suit wearing dude."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P14w4jTsHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTxhHZ0uiA

From here down, other videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuJ0U4D5Kic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_Up5Ste9c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32rThHt_K88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxqUa84hD4

Stoeger instagram of a striker safety finger check:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHrb7gxhxq1/

On the topic of QC and tolerancing, and why it may not be as simple as a few measurements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7wnGeR_69k

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2019-04-03/sig-sauer-ceo-avoids-jail-time-for-role-in-illegal-arms-shipment

"SIG SAUER INTEL REPORT"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ozkb5vouKqtVeHxGBtRJ5z9BVlHMF6k4Uf3gsnLe9Zc/edit?tab=t.hdaevbdop0sf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFzoLi3LcTo

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How the glock works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2RDitgCaD0

320:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

1911 series 70: (series 80 adds a firing pin block that is slid out of the way via linkage to the trigger)

In the 1911 this is at least partially accounted for in the design where the firing pin has to be hit hard enough to overcome the spring pushing it back.

In the design(s) at question, the "firing pin" (striker) is already under pressure from the spring that pushes it forwards with enough force to fire the primer.    One design has multiple blockages to the hammer being let go, the other has the "firing pin" (striker) ready to go and you have to pull the stops on it off.

It's not quite the same sort of animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQrhDKDWFk

In order for a non-trigger pull to make the sear let go of the hammer, you have to move the sear out of the shelf on the hammer. The mainspring is pushing the hammer in rotation force (not technical language) against the sear.

The sear has to overcome the leaf spring to move, as well; and this is designed so that in normal operation the trigger has to depress the sear and disconnector backwards against that spring pressure.  Also, you have to *rotate* the sear or straight up break it in some way that allows the hammer to fall without the remains of the sear getting in the way.

If the leaf spring with the fingers that pressure the sear agains the hammer fails or goes weak, you'll feel a difference in cocking the weapon. If the pin for the sear deforms, that's harder to spot, but you may note the faces on either side going out of paralell because the pin has bent.

It's really not the same as having a striker / "firing pin" held back that is under spring loaded pressure that you "let go of."
https://i.postimg.cc/TPJsh68T/1911-sear.jpg

https://cylinder-slide.com/Cutaway/ca20.jpg

https://sightm1911.com/1911pix/cutaway/hammer-and-sear-animated.gif

Also, the safety, when in use, locks the sear to the hammer:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.HACQFlyHzTlqhJfU_avnHwHaPT

Reportedly p250, the neon green part is what stops the firing pin from going if the trigger isn't pulled:

http://i.imgur.com/fZOEa3R.gif

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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/476077/IMG_1500_png-3258700_jpeg-3505398.JPG

https://www.news9.com/story/67f89205e5fad4a64be9e787/records-show-oklahoma-law-enforcement-officials-concerned-over-popular-service-weapon

https://www.instagram.com/achillesheeltactical/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAWjbw2CLU
@Instananners
11 hours ago
I’m AHT’s media director and the one who filmed this. It was an X5 FCU and gray guns trigger and slide. I also exclusively shoot P320’s and have for 5+ years. I am now switching after seeing this first hand and realizing it was NOT user error and the gun wasn’t touched at all.
Link to commentor's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Instananners

He gets into the 320 at 8:28 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBgH8Ini7g

Another reaction to the ATC ND:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJGCfFKqVI8

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_6624_jpeg-3515683.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_6623_jpeg-3515640.JPG

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIaAFMGMf_-/

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/Capture_JPG-3516543.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/Capture_JPG-3516542.JPG

ETA 4-19-2025
https://www.morningstar.com/news/globe-newswire/9412125/22-victims-of-sig-sauer-p320-across-16-states-file-new-lawsuits-in-federal-court-against-the-gunmaker-alleging-its-pistol-is-dangerously-defective

Hat tip to @glklvr

He found it.
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Thank you - GLORIOUS LINKS!
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
5/5/2025 11:59:35 PM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Department tracker:

Current Users:

Texas DPS, using P320, just adopted a no-manual safety version of the M17, presumably to move to optics:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2790184_Texas-Department-of-Public-Safety-Selects-Sig-M17.html

US military - M17/M18

Current users transitioning away:

Chicago PD just dropped P320 for new recruits, still authorized for existing users

Former users:
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Current users

Federal -
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Park Police

State police:
Texas
Delaware
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Michigan - (may be transitioning away).
Virginia
Oklahoma
North Dakota
Nevada
Hawaii

5/6/2025 12:02:13 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote History
Originally Posted By backbencher:


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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227964/download-1_jpg-3484255.JPG

The drop safe problems on the un-upgraded guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsljmVh-GFQ

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-13-2019/hbQn6c.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMTe87kATmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQLWaEAPERg

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/p320-upgrade-program-information

https://www.smbb.com/practice/defective-firearms-attorneys/

https://www.kherkhergarcia.com/sig-sauer-wrongful-death-lawsuits/

https://www.schmidtlaw.com/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit/

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/12/04/2991675/0/en/Breaking-Wrongful-Death-Lawsuit-Filed-Against-Gunmaker-Sig-Sauer-After-Local-Business-Owner-Shot-Killed-At-Home-By-His-Holstered-Defectively-Designed-P320-Pistol.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RIvHsZZ9ho

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern

https://www.thetrace.org/2024/06/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit-safety-issues/

Fit and finish

https://i.postimg.cc/NjRgwVC5/parts-finish.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-HzQ5cQ9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CYjoK2bqo

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-sauer-statement-on-montville-ct-police-department-incident

https://www.sigsauer.com/media/wysiwyg/CT-POLICE-DEPARTMENT-INCEDENT-PR-IMAGE.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0MpcFEXWhc

Legal PDF:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XCGiOsP9aymOaEKg6pLSObYXM9tRBv4p/view


Screen grab from the above:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62477/IMG_4655_jpeg-3486538.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/1000012161_jpg-3492663.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gWg6C6Qpoo
Vid comment:
@stanthebamafan
1 month ago
I’m a mechanical engineer in the medical device industry. I’ve worked for many years in everything from product design to manufacturing to quality. After seeing the photos of manufacturing defects from the expert witness testimony in the various lawsuits, I think this is an egregiously bad design and even worse quality control over contracted MIM parts from third world countries. Guns are like medical devices, where even a 1% catastrophic failure rate should be unacceptable. A lot of people don’t understand how manufacturing defects work. You see people say, “I own two of these guns and I’ve never had a problem.” Good, you might be in the 99%. But if 1% of the customer base has their gun going off in the holster, that’s unacceptable. Based on the photos of the manufacturing defects, and callous gaslighting responses by Sig, I would never recommend any modern Sigs to anyone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1Fw2YKCoE



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gl8otCjXMAA96Dp?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?page=18#i112807738


Instagram and youtube version of a video posted by ben stoeger: (just go watch it there, it's much higher res than the gifs going around):

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHMFn6QOJJi/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1v9WaXg0eQ

As KentuckyWindage pointed out, the fingers you see away from the triger guard do not appear to be the trigger finger. From my downloading the file and watching it frame--by-frame in virtualdub You can't see *where* trigger finger is.  His pinkie and ring fingers are wrapped around the gun's grip . His middle finger is the one you see pointing down.

*you can't see* his trigger finger.*  

We don't know where it was. Someone would have to have had video from directly to the side.

According to another user, that was an IMI RHS holster, and that poster said sig sold it in the past co-branded as sig official merch:

https://imidefense.com/product/polymer-retention-paddle-holster-for-sig-sauer-p250-full-size-p320/

https://imidefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/IMI-Z1060-1.jpg

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/1000012177_jpg-3490522.JPG

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmDH2qpWAAA91kB?format=jpg&name=orig

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmDIDSFWgAA7vB4?format=png&name=orig

Video of multiple inidents with VO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs3vIWkkm2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHy8YOQexo


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/IMG_0277_jpeg-3494690.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/IMG_0275_jpeg-3494691.JPG

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmbYv_AWYAAQkuT?format=jpg&name=orig

THESE TWO ARE THE STRIKER TEST AND FOLLOW ON VIDS / 3 P320S in a trenchcoat "suit wearing dude."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P14w4jTsHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTxhHZ0uiA

From here down, other videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuJ0U4D5Kic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_Up5Ste9c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32rThHt_K88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxqUa84hD4

Stoeger instagram of a striker safety finger check:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHrb7gxhxq1/

On the topic of QC and tolerancing, and why it may not be as simple as a few measurements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7wnGeR_69k

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2019-04-03/sig-sauer-ceo-avoids-jail-time-for-role-in-illegal-arms-shipment

"SIG SAUER INTEL REPORT"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ozkb5vouKqtVeHxGBtRJ5z9BVlHMF6k4Uf3gsnLe9Zc/edit?tab=t.hdaevbdop0sf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFzoLi3LcTo

Document Format Note:
This document uses the document tab function native to Google Docs. To read ALL of the document, use the mobile application or web-based version. The .pdf version of this document originally posted will not contain any live updates or changes made.

Version 1.0.1

Introduction:
The following document was prepared by Brandon Self and contains open-source information available to anyone with an internet connection. The only information not yet published online can be found in the tab “M17 (U.S. Army Issued Sample)”.  All information, except the aforementioned tab, was openly sourced from social media accounts and websites. I claim no ownership of any material not explicitly authored by myself. All open-source information or photos in this document were mentioned under fair use - those who were mentioned have been credited throughout this document.



How the glock works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2RDitgCaD0

320:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

1911 series 70: (series 80 adds a firing pin block that is slid out of the way via linkage to the trigger)

In the 1911 this is at least partially accounted for in the design where the firing pin has to be hit hard enough to overcome the spring pushing it back.

In the design(s) at question, the "firing pin" (striker) is already under pressure from the spring that pushes it forwards with enough force to fire the primer.    One design has multiple blockages to the hammer being let go, the other has the "firing pin" (striker) ready to go and you have to pull the stops on it off.

It's not quite the same sort of animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQrhDKDWFk

In order for a non-trigger pull to make the sear let go of the hammer, you have to move the sear out of the shelf on the hammer. The mainspring is pushing the hammer in rotation force (not technical language) against the sear.

The sear has to overcome the leaf spring to move, as well; and this is designed so that in normal operation the trigger has to depress the sear and disconnector backwards against that spring pressure.  Also, you have to *rotate* the sear or straight up break it in some way that allows the hammer to fall without the remains of the sear getting in the way.

If the leaf spring with the fingers that pressure the sear agains the hammer fails or goes weak, you'll feel a difference in cocking the weapon. If the pin for the sear deforms, that's harder to spot, but you may note the faces on either side going out of paralell because the pin has bent.

It's really not the same as having a striker / "firing pin" held back that is under spring loaded pressure that you "let go of."
https://i.postimg.cc/TPJsh68T/1911-sear.jpg

https://cylinder-slide.com/Cutaway/ca20.jpg

https://sightm1911.com/1911pix/cutaway/hammer-and-sear-animated.gif

Also, the safety, when in use, locks the sear to the hammer:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.HACQFlyHzTlqhJfU_avnHwHaPT

Reportedly p250, the neon green part is what stops the firing pin from going if the trigger isn't pulled:

http://i.imgur.com/fZOEa3R.gif

-----------------------------
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/476077/IMG_1500_png-3258700_jpeg-3505398.JPG

https://www.news9.com/story/67f89205e5fad4a64be9e787/records-show-oklahoma-law-enforcement-officials-concerned-over-popular-service-weapon

https://www.instagram.com/achillesheeltactical/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAWjbw2CLU
@Instananners
11 hours ago
I’m AHT’s media director and the one who filmed this. It was an X5 FCU and gray guns trigger and slide. I also exclusively shoot P320’s and have for 5+ years. I am now switching after seeing this first hand and realizing it was NOT user error and the gun wasn’t touched at all.
Link to commentor's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Instananners

He gets into the 320 at 8:28 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBgH8Ini7g

Another reaction to the ATC ND:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJGCfFKqVI8

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_6624_jpeg-3515683.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/IMG_6623_jpeg-3515640.JPG

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIaAFMGMf_-/

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/Capture_JPG-3516543.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65327/Capture_JPG-3516542.JPG

ETA 4-19-2025
https://www.morningstar.com/news/globe-newswire/9412125/22-victims-of-sig-sauer-p320-across-16-states-file-new-lawsuits-in-federal-court-against-the-gunmaker-alleging-its-pistol-is-dangerously-defective

Hat tip to @glklvr

He found it.


Thank you - GLORIOUS LINKS!



I pulled some of the more opinion-ie stuff out.

For people who want to see that stuff they can follow your link to the post as it is in the other thread.
5/6/2025 1:24:20 AM EDT
[#16]
Performed punch test on M17 in WC grip with safety delete. 20 tries, 0 failures. Have an AXG Pro I will try when I get my frame/slide back from Mad Pig. Outside of the safety delete, both FCUs are stock. Curved trigger on M17, flat trigger on AXG. True round count unknown for both as I picked them up used. I have 400 rounds through the M17 and 800 through the AXG personally. M17 mostly sits in safe, AXG will see much more use once it's back together. Plan to repeat test at every 1k interval.
5/6/2025 1:34:48 AM EDT
[#17]
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Originally Posted By gibson0822:  Performed punch test on M17 in WC grip with safety delete. 20 tries, 0 failures. Have an AXG Pro I will try when I get my frame/slide back from Mad Pig. Outside of the safety delete, both FCUs are stock. Curved trigger on M17, flat trigger on AXG. True round count unknown for both as I picked them up used. I have 400 rounds through the M17 and 800 through the AXG personally. M17 mostly sits in safe, AXG will see much more use once it's back together. Plan to repeat test at every 1k interval.
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I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
5/6/2025 1:39:02 AM EDT
[#18]
I did not see a link for the upgrade program, maybe I missed?

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
5/6/2025 1:43:16 AM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By kp01:  I did not see a link for the upgrade program, maybe I missed?

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
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Updated, thank you:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/?r=2554658&page=1&anc=2554658#i2554658

Will add more of the drop safety links over time.
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
5/6/2025 1:52:32 AM EDT
[#20]
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


Updated, thank you:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/?r=2554658&page=1&anc=2554658#i2554658

Will add more of the drop safety links over time.
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Originally Posted By kp01:  I did not see a link for the upgrade program, maybe I missed?

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program


Updated, thank you:  https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/?r=2554658&page=1&anc=2554658#i2554658

Will add more of the drop safety links over time.
There are also a few related to that in the top of my post above.
5/6/2025 8:42:58 AM EDT
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Unimportant info
5/6/2025 9:17:52 AM EDT
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For tracking KaBooms/possible OOB reports:
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For tracking KaBooms/possible OOB reports:
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Originally Posted By TAG_Match:
I’ve been around a lot of the M17/M18 enough now to have a semi qualified basis for my report.  I’ve not heard about nor have I witnessed an un commanded firing.  I’ve not heard of nor witnessed an un commanded firing from a dropped pistol.  What I’ve seen with troubling regularity is damage to the pistol from “cartridge failures”.  I’ve experienced two personally on two different pistols.  Ive witnessed/been present for  an additional  6 others.  The damage ranged from soiled underwear to blown extractors and varying degrees of grip module damage.  

The two I had didn’t cause any appreciable damage to the weapon.  On all I’ve witnessed the majority have rendered the weapon inoperable due to a ballistically removed extractor and/or damaged grip module.

First two pictures happened right beside me.  The second two pictures are one of the my own two occurrences.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/583190/IMG_8525_jpeg-3524095.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/583190/IMG_8527_jpeg-3524096.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/583190/IMG_8528_jpeg-3524097.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/583190/IMG_8529_jpeg-3524098.JPG
in this thread.
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5/6/2025 11:44:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr][Edited] [#23]
Bruce Gray's 2017 response on sigtalk.com to rumors of the original 320 design not being drop safe. This was prior to Omaha Outdoor's video and before SIG's "voluntary upgrade" program.

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5/6/2025 5:45:06 PM EDT
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Indiana DNR 9mm full sized but I forget which model they have

Grant Co. Sheriff (In) 9mm RXP carry



ETA current users…


Indiana State Police was going to transition a couple of years ago but they had just switched to the P227 so that’s why they didn’t.I don’t know about now, I’m kinda out of the loop since I retired from LE a couple of years ago.
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5/6/2025 7:38:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ghostface: Indiana DNR

Grant Co. Sheriff (In)
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Current users, former users?
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5/6/2025 9:18:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HCM3156:


Current users

Federal -
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Park Police

State police:
Texas
Delaware
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Michigan - (may be transitioning away).
Virginia
Oklahoma
North Dakota
Nevada
Hawaii

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Michigan State Police is issued black M18X’s

As of now we won’t be looking at transitioning until contract is up from what I’m told which is in 2.5 years
5/7/2025 12:10:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: No-Me-Pises][Edited] [#27]
Interesting. I have two complete slides, one from Zev technologies with oem SIG internals and another which is the oem M18-P320 slide, with oem SIG internals as well. On the “punch” test, I got 0/11 with the zev slide and 5/11 with the M18-P320 slide.

I was primarily carrying my M18-P320 for the last few years, but recently decided to keep it in the safe and have been primarily carrying my SP2022. After doing the “punch” test, I feel that was the right decision. Although, I did order a laser cartridge last night from Mantis, so I’ll be redoing the test with the firearm fully assembled and laser cartridge in the chamber to see if there are different results.

The Zev slide only has a few mags through it for test firing, I have yet to zero the irons on it. The m18-P320 slide has roughly 500-1k rounds through it. Later when I have more free time, I’ll swap out the striker assemblies and retest and document results. Also, what I should have done now that I’m thinking about it is test with safety on and safety off.

ZevSlide

M18-P320 Slide

“Punch” test with safety on and safety off

M18-P320 slide punch test with safety on and safety off






ETA: video link for punch testing with safety.
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5/7/2025 2:29:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By No-Me-Pises:
Interesting. I have two complete slides, one from Zev technologies with oem SIG internals and another which is the oem M18-P320 slide, with oem SIG internals as well. On the “punch” test, I got 0/11 with the zev slide and 5/11 with the M18-P320 slide.

I was primarily carrying my M18-P320 for the last few years, but recently decided to keep it in the safe and have been primarily carrying my SP2022. After doing the “punch” test, I feel that was the right decision. Although, I did order a laser cartridge last night from Mantis, so I’ll be redoing the test with the firearm fully assembled and laser cartridge in the chamber to see if there are different results.

The Zev slide only has a few mags through it for test firing, I have yet to zero the irons on it. The m18-P320 slide has roughly 500-1k rounds through it. Later when I have more free time, I’ll swap out the striker assemblies and retest and document results. Also, what I should have done now that I’m thinking about it is test with safety on and safety off.

ZevSlide

M18-P320 Slide

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Updated the punch test post, thank you.

Folks, I know I'm behind on updates, also have to update my N Texas gunshow thread & log in some guns.  I will catch up - at some point.  
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5/7/2025 4:08:30 PM EDT
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AS AN INFORMATION LINK ONLY.

Make sure to keep the thread  technical only, here's the link for opinion discussion: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/SIG-The-P320-It-ends-today-/5-2782910/?page=1

https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-news/sig-p320-engineering-review-recommended-in-marine-corps-report/

SIG P320 engineering review recommended in Marine Corps report
From the evidence and statements of the people involved, the investigation concludes that the M18 was on safe and secured in the holster when it discharged.

By Miguel Ortiz

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5/7/2025 4:25:09 PM EDT
[#30]
Thank you.

We don't normally need such restrictions on a Tech thread, but we've had one 320 tech thread moved to GD already.
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5/7/2025 4:47:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k][Edited] [#31]
Stoeger has a video saying someone is going to release a fix for the 320 problem, no details on how it works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68OzeIHa7I

Link cold intentionally, but there it is.

glklvr found it in the thread.

Not linking hot or embeding because he gives precious few details on the tech. Here because it's a mention that directs towards a possible near fix with tech info.

Per stoeger's video it's from the "sig armorer."  Says we should get more info monday of next week (5-12-25).

Keep an eye on that for future info.
5/7/2025 7:07:19 PM EDT
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This topic was archived but may be useful for the military vs. commercial comparison photos:

Military Production M17
5/7/2025 7:24:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
Stoeger has a video saying someone is going to release a fix for the 320 problem, no details on how it works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68OzeIHa7I

Link cold intentionally, but there it is.

glklvr found it in the thread.

Not linking hot or embeding because he gives precious few details on the tech. Here because it's a mention that directs towards a possible near fix with tech info.

Per stoeger's video it's from the "sig armorer."  Says we should get more info monday of next week (5-12-25).

Keep an eye on that for future info.
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I believe it's these guys:

https://www.thesigarmorer.com/
5/8/2025 12:28:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: No-Me-Pises][Edited] [#34]
Re-tested the m18-P320 slide again with the safety on this time. With safety on, 0/10, with safety off, 6/10. That was an interesting find considering the safety is supposed to not have anything to do with the striker assembly.

I decided to compare the two striker assemblies and look for any noticeable differences, to which I found none, except one is dirty and the other isn’t. I decided to clean the striker assembly and see if cleaning it would make a difference, but found something interesting when I disassembled it.





This little spring goes in a small channel inside the striker housing. Like I said in my earlier comment, this striker assembly has anywhere between 500-1k, maybe closer to 1500 rounds through it.

I will see if I can source this spring through sig mechanics or sig, or if I just get an all new striker assembly.

ETA: I swapped striker assemblies and the newer striker assembly was 0/10 in the oem M18-P320 slide with safety off and 0/10 with safety on.
I’m thinking the broken spring in the more used striker assembly might have something to do with the striker safety not functioning properly.
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5/8/2025 3:52:18 PM EDT
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No-me-pises, if you see an option in your camera for "slow fill flash" you might try it.

Theoretically it gives you flash to light evenly but not a ton that blows alway details.


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Hat tip davidb1982 in the opinion discussion thread:

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No-me-pises, if you see an option in your camera for "slow fill flash" you might try it.

Theoretically it gives you flash to light evenly but not a ton that blows alway details.


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Thank you, I’ll look for it on my iPhone camera. If not, I’ll see if my GoPro hero5 black has that option and I can take pics with that. I’ll take better pics when I get a chance and I’ll update my posts.

Interesting. We shall see what GT finds. He likes his glocks, but he also seems to like his m17. So we shall see what he finds and what his methods are to find the reason for holster uncommanded discharges.
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5/8/2025 11:24:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By No-Me-Pises:
Re-tested the m18-P320 slide again with the safety on this time. With safety on, 0/10, with safety off, 6/10. That was an interesting find considering the safety is supposed to not have anything to do with the striker assembly.

I decided to compare the two striker assemblies and look for any noticeable differences, to which I found none, except one is dirty and the other isn’t. I decided to clean the striker assembly and see if cleaning it would make a difference, but found something interesting when I disassembled it.

https://i.imgur.com/XfjD0xv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yb4yVj3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vqYKz1w.jpg
This little spring goes in a small channel inside the striker housing. Like I said in my earlier comment, this striker assembly has anywhere between 500-1k, maybe closer to 1500 rounds through it.

I will see if I can source this spring through sig mechanics or sig, or if I just get an all new striker assembly.

ETA: I swapped striker assemblies and the newer striker assembly was 0/10 in the oem M18-P320 slide with safety off and 0/10 with safety on.
I’m thinking the broken spring in the more used striker assembly might have something to do with the striker safety not functioning properly.
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Interesting - same result @NachoDip got - Safety on works, fine, safety off striker block doesn't work.
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5/9/2025 12:33:38 AM EDT
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Interesting - same result @NachoDip got - Safety on works, fine, safety off striker block doesn't work.
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Might have had too much to drink to experiment with guns right now. But. Yes that was my result. 10/10 fails with safety off. 0/10 fails with safety on. Part of me wants to do some sanding and polishing on some parts to see if it makes a difference. I have a theory but haven’t been able to prove it, yet.
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5/9/2025 12:51:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NachoDip:


Might have had too much to drink to experiment with guns right now. But. Yes that was my result. 10/10 fails with safety off. 0/10 fails with safety on. Part of me wants to do some sanding and polishing on some parts to see if it makes a difference. I have a theory but haven’t been able to prove it, yet.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:  Interesting - same result @NachoDip got - Safety on works, fine, safety off striker block doesn't work.


Might have had too much to drink to experiment with guns right now. But. Yes that was my result. 10/10 fails with safety off. 0/10 fails with safety on. Part of me wants to do some sanding and polishing on some parts to see if it makes a difference. I have a theory but haven’t been able to prove it, yet.


Do you have a broken spring in there?
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5/9/2025 1:23:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NachoDip:

Might have had too much to drink to experiment with guns right now. But. Yes that was my result. 10/10 fails with safety off. 0/10 fails with safety on. Part of me wants to do some sanding and polishing on some parts to see if it makes a difference. I have a theory but haven’t been able to prove it, yet.
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What’s your theory?
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5/9/2025 1:40:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k][Edited] [#41]
Hat tip D_man in the long 320 thread:


Originally Posted By D_Man:
First I've heard of a using the wrong takedown parts issue.

Why Are Sig P320s Going Off On Their Own
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The video claims the takedown levers being differently sized for 9mm and other calibers being wrongfully mixed up and theoretically causing more elevation at the back of the gun causing lesser striker sear contact.

Discussion of this over in the other thread.
5/9/2025 1:53:09 AM EDT
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What’s your theory?
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Originally Posted By No-Me-Pises:
Originally Posted By NachoDip:  Might have had too much to drink to experiment with guns right now. But. Yes that was my result. 10/10 fails with safety off. 0/10 fails with safety on. Part of me wants to do some sanding and polishing on some parts to see if it makes a difference. I have a theory but haven’t been able to prove it, yet.


What’s your theory?


This is NOT the thread for theories.  Links and DATA only.
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5/9/2025 2:21:53 AM EDT
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This is NOT the thread for theories.  Links and DATA only.
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I apologize. I figured theory testing would provide new data. I’ll keep it tech related. That being said, I edited my post to include video of the punch test with safety on and safety off.
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5/9/2025 2:32:06 AM EDT
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I apologize. I figured theory testing would provide new data. I’ll keep it tech related. That being said, I edited my post to include video of the punch test with safety on and safety off.
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Originally Posted By No-Me-Pises:
Originally Posted By backbencher:  This is NOT the thread for theories.  Links and DATA only.


I apologize. I figured theory testing would provide new data. I’ll keep it tech related. That being said, I edited my post to include video of the punch test with safety on and safety off.


Bless you.  This week has proved unexpectedly busy so clearly I'm not caught up yet.

Theory testing will absolutely provide new data - but please put the theory in a different thread and link to that so that theory discussion can take place in that thread, and this can be a data repository that doesn't get locked or moved to GD.
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5/9/2025 2:40:40 AM EDT
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Theory testing will absolutely provide new data - but please put the theory in a different thread and link to that so that theory discussion can take place in that thread, and this can be a data repository that doesn't get locked or moved to GD.
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5/9/2025 7:03:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
Hat tip D_man in the long 320 thread:


The takedown levers being differently sized for 9mm and other calibers being wrongfully mixed up and theoretically causing more elevation at the back of the gun causing lesser striker sear contact ... that seems something that could be checked.

I suspect we should be able to have people check out their takedown levers, and if anyone has one that fails and they have different calibers .... it might be fruitful to check.

I.E. Carefully label your parts and esp the takedown lever, and do some testing.
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Take down levers for the p320 are the same for all calibers (9mm, 40 cal, 357 sig and 45 cal) pn#1303065-02-R.  Not sure if this has changed over the years but this is currently the application.

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Hat tip Northcountry06 in the long thread for the picture.

Discussion of the design should be over there. Picture here for reference only.
5/9/2025 8:45:56 PM EDT
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Was a bit of a bitch to assemble without the grip.
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5/10/2025 10:25:13 AM EDT
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5/10/2025 10:26:02 AM EDT
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Tried posting a YouTube short but won’t work. Maybe we can only post full videos

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