[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ben Stoeger didn’t see a P320 fire uncommanded into a competitor’s leg (no video) (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/20/2026 8:17:20 PM EDT
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at the title change
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People have been fucking with their striker fired guns with aftermarket triggers, etc. for a while to the point they are walking around with the equivalent of a series 70 1911 with pinned grip safer and the safety on fire with the hammer back, or an M9 with a lighter than d-spring with the hammer back and on fire. SIG made this a factory off the shelf trigger on a gun with, based on handling a few acquaintances guns and my own M17 and M18- A pretty narrow trigger guard and a pretty high flex frame. I firmly believe 87% plus of the discharges are standard user error, And a Glock set up with the same length of pull and pound breakage with the same width of trigger gear and no trigger thingy would have 87% as many issues. |
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Quoted: I bought a 320 not long after they came out. I agree with ManiacRat, the gun was blah. Trigger was typical Sig mush and the grip felt round to me. Sold it about 6 months in. I bought one when they first came out too. Bought into the hype it was the next great service pistol and happened to catch a sale even though I’d never handled one. When it finally arrived I really didn’t care for it at all, didn’t care for the grip much. When the negative press about the unintended discharges started I decided to sell so I wouldn’t lose too much on the deal. Luckily since I’d gotten a deal on it when I bought I was able to sell for exactly what I paid for it. |
 Sig in the hot seat after guy gets extra holes |
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I have no knowledge of the event referenced in the OP. I can say I have seen numerous videos of SIG P320 pistols firing without the trigger being pulled. I have seen both intentional manipulation (no trigger pull) to get the firearm to fire after noting a fault, and candid videos showing an unintentional discharge. I have not sought out these videos; the Algorithm has placed them in my feeds. How anyone can argue in favor of SIG Sauer after all of this is beyond me. I own two Sig Sauer pistols. |
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Quoted: So, based on the very detailed description, the gun went off while being holstered and was being -jiggled- in place the last few inches manually. Huh, sounds like something other than an uncommanded discharge… Im sure that SIG fanboy in the OP went through the same mental gymnastics as you until he blew open his own leg. 
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Never had a desire to get one as I thought the procurement process was a bit suspect (not a die-hard Glock fan, just strange that suddenly everything the military chose was SIG). After all this trigger malfunction nonsense and especially the way they responded, I won't consider a SIG for a very long time if ever. I do enjoy shooting my old legacy DA/SA hammer fired models though - last week I had the TX DPS trade-in P226 357SIG with me and that is a hoot. The 716i is one of my favorites but, aside from the minor changes everyone pulls to make their AR10 proprietary, that's not really a SIG designed gun. |
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Quoted: People have been fucking with their striker fired guns with aftermarket triggers, etc. for a while to the point they are walking around with the equivalent of a series 70 1911 with pinned grip safer and the safety on fire with the hammer back, or an M9 with a lighter than d-spring with the hammer back and on fire. SIG made this a factory off the shelf trigger on a gun with, based on handling a few acquaintances guns and my own M17 and M18- A pretty narrow trigger guard and a pretty high flex frame. I firmly believe 87% plus of the discharges are standard user error, And a Glock set up with the same length of pull and pound breakage with the same width of trigger gear and no trigger thingy would have 87% as many issues. EXCEPT..... Glock does have a wider trigger guard, Glock does have a trigger mounted safty and Glock does have a stiffer frame........ your point is what exactly?? that sig needs to redesign their gun to be more like a Glock? And for the record I've some of my Glock clones (I don't like factory Glocks they have never felt right to me coming from 40 years of shooting 1911s and CZ 75 based guns) setup with a very short but still drop safe trigger travel... VERY short I always test em after I set them up by banging on the back of the slide and the muzzle end with a rubber mallet with a primed case in the chamber.......... only ever had one drop the striker but it did not fire the primer... I moved the cruciform further back on the drop safety shelf and repeated with no striker drop... that particular gun was even built on a P80 76% bridge frame currently has a few thousand rounds through it and always reliable with no mishaps so............ maybe Sig does needa go to the Glock gen 3 FCG and the issue will be resolved................. GREAT IDEA! Ya should contact Sig and pass it on to them 
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Quoted: So, based on the very detailed description, the gun went off while being holstered and was being -jiggled- in place the last few inches manually. Huh, sounds like something other than an uncommanded discharge… I can't figure out why it's not sliding right in. Must just need some extra force. No reason to check whether there is any obstruction, I'll just wiggle it a bit and it'll push whatever is there out of the way. Send it! |
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Quoted: This is what should be the sidearm of our armed forces. https://www.1911addicts.com/attachments/image_picker_a7973eb9-4ced-42c8-b1de-9248e0c49b74-36085-00000bfe1c8e26e7-jpg.1966904/ In none other than .45ACP. Don't those have like an 11 round magazine flush? |
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Quoted: I bought one when they first came out too. Bought into the hype it was the next great service pistol and happened to catch a sale even though I’d never handled one. When it finally arrived I really didn’t care for it at all, didn’t care for the grip much. When the negative press about the unintended discharges started I decided to sell so I wouldn’t lose too much on the deal. Luckily since I’d gotten a deal on it when I bought I was able to sell for exactly what I paid for it. Quoted: Quoted: I bought a 320 not long after they came out. I agree with ManiacRat, the gun was blah. Trigger was typical Sig mush and the grip felt round to me. Sold it about 6 months in. I bought one when they first came out too. Bought into the hype it was the next great service pistol and happened to catch a sale even though I’d never handled one. When it finally arrived I really didn’t care for it at all, didn’t care for the grip much. When the negative press about the unintended discharges started I decided to sell so I wouldn’t lose too much on the deal. Luckily since I’d gotten a deal on it when I bought I was able to sell for exactly what I paid for it. I never liked the p250 when it came out. Thought the grip looked like it was designed around a lemon. Then the p320 came out and copied it. Never thought in a million years the US military would adopt it over a decades proven Glock submittal. After all, glocks had already been in many US inventories for years. I’m not a Glock fan boy but have a few and appreciate the innovation and rock solid dependability. Anyways, history happened and so I bought an M18 to get a personal version of my newly issued gun. I had it about a year until I was offered a trade straight up for an FN five seven. Best trade ever. That M18 felt very cheap to me and I just didnt like it. I still qualify annually on the issued m18’s, but don’t have a desire to own one again. Compared to the old M9, it’s a step down. I just can’t get over the cheap feeling of a p320. |
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Quoted: Handguns of this type are for shooting people. And this gun shot someone. The problem is what, exactly? Attached File |