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8/15/2025 6:25:34 PM EDT
Port Malabar Rifle and Pistol Club (PMRPC) a 120 acre gun club with around 4000 members has just emailed this message:

IMPORTANT NOTICE!!!

Subject: Safety Update – Sig Sauer P320 Prohibited on PMRPC Property


Dear PMRPC Members,


At Port Malabar Rifle and Pistol Club (PMRPC), firearms safety is — and always will be — our highest priority.


Effective immediately, the Sig Sauer P320, including all derivative models based on the P320 platform, is not permitted on PMRPC property. This includes both use and possession. The suspension will remain in place until the concerns surrounding this platform have been fully addressed and resolved to our satisfaction.


We continue to recognize Sig Sauer as a respected leader in the firearms industry and are confident they are actively investigating the issue. Once resolved, we will reevaluate this prohibition.


Thank you for your understanding and cooperation as we uphold the safety standards that define our club.


Sincerely,

PMRPC Management



I have been a member here for 25 years+ and while every pistol I own is a Sig Sauer (All classic metal frame P2XX DA/SA save my EDC P365SAS) and I applaud this decision.
P320s at PMRPC ends today
Hey Ron Cohen
8/15/2025 6:33:57 PM EDT
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I used to shoot a highpower rifle tourney there called Snowbird or Orange Blossom. It was a good tourney, attended by many shooters and even the USAMU. I quit shooting it when they mandated all competitors wear safety glasses while shooting. Even the National Matches doesn't do that (strongly recommended). When the land out past the pits/berm was developed, they had to install pipes you shoot thru to limit barrel elevation and prevent going over the target at high angle. I haven't been back there in many years, but it doesn't surprise me at that range.
8/15/2025 6:40:18 PM EDT
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There are not and have never been pipes at PMRPC and I have been going there since 1994. Sebastian range has pipes but that is not a club it is a government range open to anyone
8/15/2025 6:51:47 PM EDT
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Lawsuit from Sig in 3,2,1........
8/15/2025 7:18:49 PM EDT
[#4]
If Sig files a law suit for every range that bans the P320 every lawyer in the country will be working for Ron Cohen
8/15/2025 8:30:02 PM EDT
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It is Friday, after hours, Sig must wait until Monday now.
8/15/2025 8:41:05 PM EDT
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Thank you, updated.
8/15/2025 8:51:05 PM EDT
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Even after the (apparent) USAF backoff the inertia is too much to overcome. Its impressive really.
8/15/2025 8:55:58 PM EDT
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I used to shoot a highpower rifle tourney there called Snowbird or Orange Blossom. It was a good tourney, attended by many shooters and even the USAMU. I quit shooting it when they mandated all competitors wear safety glasses while shooting. Even the National Matches doesn't do that (strongly recommended). When the land out past the pits/berm was developed, they had to install pipes you shoot thru to limit barrel elevation and prevent going over the target at high angle. I haven't been back there in many years, but it doesn't surprise me at that range.
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CMP mandates it. Any match registered/sanctioned under them requires the use of safety glasses.  To include the National Trophy Matches and the CMP Nationals at Camp Perry.


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NRA is still "strongly recommended. "

3.19 Eye Protection*—All competitors and other personnel in the im?mediate vicinity of the range complex are urged to wear protective eye wear.
8/15/2025 11:33:11 PM EDT
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Meh. These days retards can do anything. Even run a gun range. ?????
8/15/2025 11:42:21 PM EDT
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It is Friday, after hours, Sig must wait until Monday now.


It will pop up on Sunday night since India is half a day ahead.
8/15/2025 11:46:48 PM EDT
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I live walking distance from that range. I love it. It's also funny how new homeowners complain about the gun shoots. I guess you should actually pay attention to what's around before you buy a house.
8/16/2025 4:50:00 AM EDT
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Military bases.
Ranges.
Airports.
Farms.
Racetracks/speedways.

All these preexisting things must now bend to the new homeowners will!  "Sieg HOA!"
8/16/2025 8:27:27 AM EDT
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I am 2.4miles from the gate just off MR.

20 years ago a guy called the police and met them at the gate of the club claiming the range was shooting into his yard. As proof he produced 3 rounds of ammunition that he claims were shot from the club.
3 complete unfired rounds of ammunition. I was annoyed they did not arrest him for filing a false police report

See you at the Flohmarkt  on the 31st?
8/16/2025 8:50:51 AM EDT
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This is my "local" range - I drive past half a dozen other ranges from opposite end of county to go there it's a really good one.

I haven't been paying close attention to the P320 wars, but it's obvious to me the P320 is dangerous and Sig's response should cause pause for future support and purchases. But I know how the fanboys feel, especially those heavily into the P320 platform. I love my P365's and they aren't going anywhere. Granted they aren't going to fucking kill somebody sitting in a holster..
8/16/2025 8:55:23 AM EDT
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Yep yep. I'm born and lived here my whole life and watched them develop all around it. Then people buy and complain? LOL
8/16/2025 9:00:41 AM EDT
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I am still in the "not being reassembled correctly after cleaning" mindset.  Would everyone be happy if they simply added a trigger dingus safety like other manufacturers?
8/16/2025 9:01:05 AM EDT
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The IL State Rifle Association range recently banned them as well, temporarily they said.

They cited safety concerns too.
8/16/2025 9:06:49 AM EDT
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My range/gun club banned the 320 last week. I'm sure it's just liability driven.

I don't know if any local agencies use the 320, don't think so, but would be interesting if some agency that issued the 320 had to respond to the range...

p.s. I don't own any 320, never even fired one.
8/16/2025 9:26:24 AM EDT
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Are you PMRPC members posting here coming to Der Flohmarkt on the 31st?

I am in a maroon Benz ML350 and always on the NE table.
8/16/2025 9:27:01 AM EDT
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Over 4 million p320’s made and a total of 100 alleged cases of it firing on its own? That is like .000025 percent failure. Extremely low. And yet every thread is making it sound like every p320 has gone off in the many years they have been out.
8/16/2025 9:46:53 AM EDT
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The only homeowners in my AO who don't actively shoot are my western neighbor and his sister, who lives immediately to his south. That's due to lack of backstop on their properties. Both are invited to use my range.

This place sounds like a war movie at times. America, fuck yeah.
8/16/2025 9:55:37 AM EDT
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Over 4 million p320’s made and a total of 100 alleged cases of it firing on its own? That is like .000025 percent failure. Extremely low. And yet every thread is making it sound like every p320 has gone off in the many years they have been out.
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Logic and math are elusive in GD….
8/16/2025 10:13:19 AM EDT
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Our local R&G club banned the p320 "until further notice" 2 weeks ago.
8/16/2025 10:53:55 AM EDT
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And the owner of my club just helped me get setup with a competition holster for my P320 asking how I liked it and stating he had 7 or 8 of them.
8/16/2025 12:23:40 PM EDT
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Over 4 million p320’s made and a total of 100 alleged cases of it firing on its own? That is like .000025 percent failure. Extremely low. And yet every thread is making it sound like every p320 has gone off in the many years they have been out.
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ONE law firm alone is representing over 100 alleged victims of the P320 UD's.  That is just a single law firm.   There obviously are others who are represented by other firms or who have not obtained legal counsel.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/federal-judge-issues-key-ruling-against-gun-maker-sig-sauer-widows-lawsuit
8/16/2025 12:39:04 PM EDT
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Over 4 million p320’s made and a total of 100 alleged cases of it firing on its own? That is like .000025 percent failure. Extremely low. And yet every thread is making it sound like every p320 has gone off in the many years they have been out.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the percentage of modern guns going off on their own should be .0fucking000000000000000000....
8/16/2025 12:46:51 PM EDT
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Where at?
8/16/2025 12:49:28 PM EDT
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Very good point
8/16/2025 12:56:47 PM EDT
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Our range banned them a couple of weeks ago.
8/16/2025 1:06:01 PM EDT
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This is just the falling of dominos for the P320.
8/16/2025 1:09:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Every pistol you own is a SIG?

Live a little dude.
8/16/2025 1:17:40 PM EDT
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I have likely owned one or more of pretty much every pistol.
Should I keep pistols that I consider inferior to what works best IMO?

All I ask is every aspect be 100% in every way.
Except for a few HK USP types nothing is as good as the German designed DASA classic no safety Sig
Disagree? Good for you it's a free country and you should have exactly what you want
I am 76 so I have reduced the number of firearms I don't have in rotation or in someway deployed for use.

I have lived more than a little, a lot more
8/16/2025 1:21:11 PM EDT
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All mechanical things fail. I’m still waiting on these actual pistols that failed being shown how they failed. Not some dumb videos of idiots on the tube modifying and messing with a random p320 til they can get it to go off.
8/16/2025 1:37:27 PM EDT
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All mechanical things fail. I’m still waiting on these actual pistols that failed being shown how they failed. Not some dumb videos of idiots on the tube modifying and messing with a random p320 til they can get it to go off.
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All I needed to see was the video of a cop getting out of his car with both hands visible and his holstered P320 going off and medics barely saving his life to know there is no way no how I would ever trust a failed design like that model Sig.

I am with 0.000000000000000000000000% on that.

Why there's a pretty good chance the P320 won't kill you today, less tomorrow.
Good luck with that

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