Posted: 8/19/2025 10:15:02 PM EDT
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Video showing various guns being tested for firing without complete pulling of the trigger. Drop test and slide manipulation. Echelon had trigger move 6.5mm then slide manipulation to get it to fire. Walther PDP - 9.0mm trigger movement with slide manipulation to striker release (but it was a repeatable light strike) Springfield XD - 12.8mm trigger travel with slide manipulatio Glock 19C Gen 3- 11.5mm trigger travel to go off with slide manipulation. Canik - 11.4mm (though it took some time to get it to go off with slide manipulation not just trigger travel) M&P 2.0 - 12mm P320 (pre-upgrade, Apex trigger bar) - 8mm of travel (but went off quick, I think it could have gone off sooner) Hellcat - 11mm Glock 19 Gen 5 - 11mm of trigger travel for it to go off with slide manipulation Glock 43X - 11.5mm Taurus G3 - 13.6mm (but it took multiple tries)  Even MORE Guns Fired Without Pulling the Trigger |
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Quoted: Video showing various guns being tested for firing without complete pulling of the trigger. Drop test and slide manipulation. Echelon had trigger move 6.5mm then slide manipulation to get it to fire. Walther PDP - 9.0mm trigger movement with slide manipulation to striker release (but it was a repeatable light strike) Springfield XD - 12.8mm trigger travel with slide manipulatio Glock 19C - 11.5mm trigger travel to go off with slide manipulation. Canik - 11.4mm (though it took some time to get it to go off with slide manipulation not just trigger travel)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Mq7XxtlEThose are near full trigger pulls. 9mm is over 1/3 of an inch of movement. Saying the sear is falling “without a trigger pull” is a fucking lie. |
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Quoted: Those are near full trigger pulls. Quoted: Quoted: Video showing various guns being tested for firing without complete pulling of the trigger. Drop test and slide manipulation. Echelon had trigger move 6.5mm then slide manipulation to get it to fire. Walther PDP - 9.0mm trigger movement with slide manipulation to striker release (but it was a repeatable light strike) Springfield XD - 12.8mm trigger travel with slide manipulatio Glock 19C - 11.5mm trigger travel to go off with slide manipulation. Canik - 11.4mm (though it took some time to get it to go off with slide manipulation not just trigger travel) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Mq7XxtlEThose are near full trigger pulls. And far longer than the 1mm or so Wyomin Project showed |
| It turns out the "issue" with the P320 is that the did the same thing every other striker gun is doing, but just added the super light crisp trigger everyone was demanding - which is exactly what knowledgeable people were saying from the start before the internet outrage decided there just had to be serious engineering issues that SIG and the government were covering up. |
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Quoted: And far longer than the 1mm or so Wyomin Project showed Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Video showing various guns being tested for firing without complete pulling of the trigger. Drop test and slide manipulation. Echelon had trigger move 6.5mm then slide manipulation to get it to fire. Walther PDP - 9.0mm trigger movement with slide manipulation to striker release (but it was a repeatable light strike) Springfield XD - 12.8mm trigger travel with slide manipulatio Glock 19C - 11.5mm trigger travel to go off with slide manipulation. Canik - 11.4mm (though it took some time to get it to go off with slide manipulation not just trigger travel) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Mq7XxtlEThose are near full trigger pulls. And far longer than the 1mm or so Wyomin Project showed I’m not sure what you’re referencing. |
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Misleading title is misleading. The P320 is alleged to fire WITHOUT dropping it. To imply that the whole P320 debacle is simply a matter of being “not drop safe” like some other weapons is disingenuous. As far as I’ve seen, “light trigger pull with slide manipulation” is NOT what purportedly leads to the P320 uncommanded discharges. |
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Quoted: Those are near full trigger pulls. 9mm is over 1/3 of an inch of movement. Saying the sear is falling “without a trigger pull” is a fucking lie. That was my take also. "See, if you pull the trigger 97% of the way, then start jacking the slide around, it could go off!" 
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Quoted: It turns out the "issue" with the P320 is that the did the same thing every other striker gun is doing, but just added the super light crisp trigger everyone was demanding - which is exactly what knowledgeable people were saying from the start before the internet outrage decided there just had to be serious engineering issues that SIG and the government were covering up. Lol, oh...weird!! It's almost exactly like what those of us who actually believe in science have been saying from the beginning. Pressing the trigger is pressing the trigger, period. Press trigger and gun goes bang? Yeah, that's what it's DESIGNED TO DO, FUCKTARD!! I don't give a shit what it was, but something touched that fucking trigger. I don't even own a 320 anymore and I'm still sticking up for them. Because I can't stand IDIOCY. |
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A lot of the tests that have been done on 320s can be replicated in one form or another on other striker fired guns. This is the issue that some folks missed all along. With manipulation, an entire design -striker fired- can be deemed unsafe. We should be working to 100 percent verify an issue with individual models before risking an entire design by fully condemning a model without that 100 percent verification/flaw repeatability like the drop tests did initially with the 320 years ago. This one test just condemned all striker fired models based on the same methodology that most jumped on the bandwagon against the 320. This in no way clears the sig 320 issue, but 100 percent confirms an issue that should not have happened - jumping to conclusions that risk an entire design - striker fired designs-… |
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Quoted: He pulled the trigger to the wall and then another 1mm ish, not 1mm total. actually it was 1mm total... he did not set it past the wall at all since that wall is generally where most striker fired guns begin to release the striker.... in the case of a glock it is where the connector allows the trigger bar to begin cocking the striker fully in order for it to have enough force to detonate a primer..... with the sig the striker is already fully cocked so any action on the sears part releases a fully cocked striker which already has full energy stored to detonate a primer..... go watch it again 1mm total pre adjustment same thing with the guy doing it in a milling machine https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk |
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Quoted: actually it was 1mm total... he did not set it past the wall at all since that wall is generally where most striker fired guns begin to release the striker.... in the case of a glock it is where the connector allows the trigger bar to begin cocking the striker fully in order for it to have enough force to detonate a primer..... with the sig the striker is already fully cocked so any action on the sears part releases a fully cocked striker which already has full energy stored to detonate a primer..... go watch it again 1mm total pre adjustment same thing with the guy doing it in a milling machine https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk Oh. My. God. What a revelation!! Can I ask you one question just real quick?? In that video you linked.....did anything at all press the trigger rearward before the gun went off? Any distance at all? Because if your answer is anything less than an unequivocal "no," you and the asshat that made that video are certifiably retarded. Press trigger = gun go boom. It's so goddamn simple. |
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I can’t speak for the other firearms, but if he’s getting 11-12mm out of the factory Glock and M&P triggers then they’re pretty much at full stroke already. I’m not surprised that dorking with the slide will get it to discharge at this point I fail to see any real significance or relevance in the tests being conducted |
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Quoted: Oh. My. God. What a revelation!! Can I ask you one question just real quick?? In that video you linked.....did anything at all press the trigger rearward before the gun went off? Any distance at all? Because if your answer is anything less than an unequivocal "no," you and the asshat that made that video are certifiably retarded. Press trigger = gun go boom. It's so goddamn simple. Quoted: Quoted: actually it was 1mm total... he did not set it past the wall at all since that wall is generally where most striker fired guns begin to release the striker.... in the case of a glock it is where the connector allows the trigger bar to begin cocking the striker fully in order for it to have enough force to detonate a primer..... with the sig the striker is already fully cocked so any action on the sears part releases a fully cocked striker which already has full energy stored to detonate a primer..... go watch it again 1mm total pre adjustment same thing with the guy doing it in a milling machine https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk Oh. My. God. What a revelation!! Can I ask you one question just real quick?? In that video you linked.....did anything at all press the trigger rearward before the gun went off? Any distance at all? Because if your answer is anything less than an unequivocal "no," you and the asshat that made that video are certifiably retarded. Press trigger = gun go boom. It's so goddamn simple. Lol slow down. Your post makes no sense. |
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Quoted: Oh. My. God. What a revelation!! Can I ask you one question just real quick?? In that video you linked.....did anything at all press the trigger rearward before the gun went off? Any distance at all? Because if your answer is anything less than an unequivocal "no," you and the asshat that made that video are certifiably retarded. Press trigger = gun go boom. It's so goddamn simple. Quoted: Quoted: actually it was 1mm total... he did not set it past the wall at all since that wall is generally where most striker fired guns begin to release the striker.... in the case of a glock it is where the connector allows the trigger bar to begin cocking the striker fully in order for it to have enough force to detonate a primer..... with the sig the striker is already fully cocked so any action on the sears part releases a fully cocked striker which already has full energy stored to detonate a primer..... go watch it again 1mm total pre adjustment same thing with the guy doing it in a milling machine https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk Oh. My. God. What a revelation!! Can I ask you one question just real quick?? In that video you linked.....did anything at all press the trigger rearward before the gun went off? Any distance at all? Because if your answer is anything less than an unequivocal "no," you and the asshat that made that video are certifiably retarded. Press trigger = gun go boom. It's so goddamn simple. I think it’s probably enough internet for you today, bud. So you are saying you have no issue with a firearm being able to fire far earlier into the trigger pull than designed? |
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Quoted: actually it was 1mm total... he did not set it past the wall at all since that wall is generally where most striker fired guns begin to release the striker.... in the case of a glock it is where the connector allows the trigger bar to begin cocking the striker fully in order for it to have enough force to detonate a primer..... with the sig the striker is already fully cocked so any action on the sears part releases a fully cocked striker which already has full energy stored to detonate a primer..... go watch it again 1mm total pre adjustment same thing with the guy doing it in a milling machine https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk ....no. If you go to 7:27, you'll find that he measures the static position of the trigger at 68.46. He measures the position of the wall immediately after, getting the number 66.62. He measures the trigger position when slide movement can release the striker at 65.69. In other words, by his measurements, which he says in his video, he is pulling the trigger one millimeter past the wall, not one millimeter from it's static position. I'll add that the measurements in both Wyoming Soyjack's video and the video that's the subject of this thread are somewhat suspect because triggers move in arcs, not in a straight line. Using linear measuring tools, where you place them is going to matter a lot. Glocks are capable of detonating some primers if the striker were to drop from the resting position. Fortunately they have robust safety mechanisms that make the striker falling without a trigger pull extraordinarily unlikely. |
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Such a stupid fking video. Not even gonna dignify it with a click. You know what every gun on that list has that the p.o.s 320 doesn't? A fking trigger safety and functioning firing pin safety block. Both of which can only be disengaged by pulling the trigger far enough back. You know, almost the entire fking trigger pull. Not 1mm and a slap on the ass to premature ejaculate into someone's knee. |
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I'm confused what this is... the triggers are being partially (mostly?) pulled... Attached File |
The local gun club just banned the P320. During the discussion one of the directors mentioned the Jennings 9mm from years past could also go off, so the club should consider banning it as well. Another board member said there was no need since no one actually practices with the Jennings  .
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Quoted: So if you pull the trigger 1/2" on a Glock it will fire? Amazing. People should be banned for this clickbait BS. Quoted: Quoted: Glock 19 Gen 5 - 11mm of trigger travel for it to go off with slide manipulation So if you pull the trigger 1/2" on a Glock it will fire? Amazing. People should be banned for this clickbait BS. Wrong, you have to pull it over a centimeter.
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Quoted: It turns out the "issue" with the P320 is that the did the same thing every other striker gun is doing, but just added the super light crisp trigger everyone was demanding - which is exactly what knowledgeable people were saying from the start before the internet outrage decided there just had to be serious engineering issues that SIG and the government were covering up. Gun snobbery seems to be what perpetuates the alarmism, long after the real problem is resolved. |
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Quoted: Video showing various guns being tested for firing without complete pulling of the trigger. Drop test and slide manipulation. Echelon had trigger move 6.5mm then slide manipulation to get it to fire. Walther PDP - 9.0mm trigger movement with slide manipulation to striker release (but it was a repeatable light strike) Springfield XD - 12.8mm trigger travel with slide manipulatio Glock 19C Gen 3- 11.5mm trigger travel to go off with slide manipulation. Canik - 11.4mm (though it took some time to get it to go off with slide manipulation not just trigger travel) M&P 2.0 - 12mm P320 (pre-upgrade, Apex trigger bar) - 8mm of travel (but went off quick, I think it could have gone off sooner) Hellcat - 11mm Glock 19 Gen 5 - 11mm of trigger travel for it to go off with slide manipulation Glock 43X - 11.5mm Taurus G3 - 13.6mm (but it took multiple tries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17Mq7XxtlEOh please!!! What a bunch of BS. Glock 19.11mm of trigger travel? That's pretty much ALL of it. Walther PDP. "Repeatable light strike"? The heck's THAT supposed to mean? That the firing pin safety still worked? |
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My m&p1.0 didn't drop with trigger manipulation, and neither did my polymer 80 build. But my P320, which is brand new and never been fired.... Personally, I think pulling a trigger to within thousandths of an inch of it going off, and then doing stuff to it to make it go off is not equivalent to uncommanded discharges, but it is unsettling how the p320 does it. |
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Quoted: Those are near full trigger pulls. 9mm is over 1/3 of an inch of movement. Saying the sear is falling “without a trigger pull” is a fucking lie. That was my first thought. Those are trigger pulls. Sure one could argue the 1mm is (clearly.... since someone did above me), but that's a lot smaller margin of error than a damn centimeter. |
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