Posted: 4/13/2025 10:38:29 AM EDT
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We do this one yet? Achilles’ heel tactical posted this to Instagram. Some are saying it’s staged and tbh you can’t see shit but at least one person says he was there and it was real. Eta, looks like this happened yesterday, https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIXsR1KMOJ2/?igsh=MWtuaGhmZWI2dHhrdw== Attached File Attached File Updated with some additional information from the instructor and a couple more comments from people there https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIaAFMGMf_-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: as much hate as the 320 deserves, that last point about the after market frame may offer a clue. Yeah it has a FCU but how much of the FCU working properly depend on the correct frame dimensions. Or does it index off the rails on the FCU? I 3d printed a Glock frame that uses sheet metal I bent with a 3d printed jig for rails. It runs and doesn't magically make itself go off |
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Quoted: Right at the beginning of that Instagram clip you can hear someone say something to the effect of "back in the holster". Then the shot breaks. Wonder if the guy was messing with the pistol and the RSO was telling him to holster up. Attached File |
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Light bearing holster, skinny trigger guard, this seems to be the trend with these. We don’t see a lot of these Sig firing in holster posts without a light on the gun. I believe this is the issue. Too much room to get crap in the trigger guard even when holstered, if you have a light. The 320s trigger guard is much thinner than the Glocks. And no dingus. It could be something else, but the common denominator seems to be the light. Could the retrofit a trigger safety on these? |
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On a related note, for you Arfcommers who are fellow gamers, I made a meme: 
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I didn’t say they were lying. But someone said to holster it back up. So someone on that line was messing with a gun. Whether it was 320 guy or someone else, I don’t know |
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Ben Stoeger posted about it this AM. He has shot a 320 in competition quite a bit and even he is concerned. He already had a trigger with a dingus. Now that there are verified events outside of LEOs covering their asses, this is concerning. I have shot a 320 for many years. I doubt I will ever shoot mine very much anymore. This is event is the first I have seen with enough witnesses with experience in a controlled environment that gives me cause for concern. |
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Quoted: I didn’t say they were lying. But someone said to holster it back up. So someone on that line was messing with a gun. Whether it was 320 guy or someone else, I don’t know Quoted: I didn’t say they were lying. But someone said to holster it back up. So someone on that line was messing with a gun. Whether it was 320 guy or someone else, I don’t know Are you purposely trying to be misleading? People who were standing right there said he wasn't messing with the gun. |
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Quoted: as much hate as the 320 deserves, that last point about the after market frame may offer a clue. Yeah it has a FCU but how much of the FCU working properly depend on the correct frame dimensions. Or does it index off the rails on the FCU? My FCU will NOT function with an AXG module. To me that's anecdotal evidence of there being some impact from the modules themselves on the functioning of the FCU. |
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Quoted: Light bearing holster, skinny trigger guard, this seems to be the trend with these. We don't see a lot of these Sig firing in holster posts without a light on the gun. I believe this is the issue. Too much room to get crap in the trigger guard even when holstered, if you have a light. The 320s trigger guard is much thinner than the Glocks. And no dingus. It could be something else, but the common denominator seems to be the light. Could the retrofit a trigger safety on these? @EXCATM76 |
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Quoted: Light bearing holster, skinny trigger guard, this seems to be the trend with these. We don’t see a lot of these Sig firing in holster posts without a light on the gun. I believe this is the issue. Too much room to get crap in the trigger guard even when holstered, if you have a light. The 320s trigger guard is much thinner than the Glocks. And no dingus. It could be something else, but the common denominator seems to be the light. Could the retrofit a trigger safety on these? It was originally designed with one but they deleted it, I believe for marketing. I have an Armory Craft trigger, with dingus, installed for a bit of additional security. I, personally, believe its got more to do with the machining on the interfaces than the trigger itself. |
No one is gonna agree with me  , but Lordy, I actually now kinda feel sorry for SIG. All "my team/your team" GD purse swinging aside, IMHO when ANY firearm manufacturer suffers, it's not good for us or our country or freedom.Personally - opinions like buttholes personal opinion here - I wish and thought that S&W should have got the .mil gig. They've proven themselves a gazillion times over for many decades now of being able to turn out high quality firearms for reasonable prices. And while this is completely emotional statement, in my mind .gov owed them a chance, based on how they have bent over backwards repeatedly in prior trials for changes. |
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Quoted: No one is gonna agree with me , but Lordy, I actually now kinda feel sorry for SIG. All "my team/your team" GD purse swinging aside, IMHO when ANY firearm manufacturer suffers, it's not good for us or our country or freedom.Personally - opinions like buttholes personal opinion here - I wish and thought that S&W should have got the .mil gig. They've proven themselves a gazillion times over for many decades now of being able to turn out high quality firearms for reasonable prices. And while this is completely emotional statement, in my mind .gov owed them a chance, based on how they have bent over backwards repeatedly in prior trials for changes. The M&P didn't make it through one academy class with Texas DPS before it was replaced...with the P320. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Right at the beginning of that Instagram clip you can hear someone say something to the effect of "back in the holster". Then the shot breaks. Wonder if the guy was messing with the pistol and the RSO was telling him to holster up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55162/1000085901_jpg-3515664.JPG If your pistol goes bang in the holster are you grabbing the gun or are you lifting your hands away from it? I am not taking a position, just stating that witnesses are frequently wrong and contradictory about what happened. |
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Quoted: Go watch Three P320s In A Trench Coat on YouTube. It goes WAY beyond that. It is mechanically flawed. @EXCATM76 Quoted: Quoted: Light bearing holster, skinny trigger guard, this seems to be the trend with these. We don't see a lot of these Sig firing in holster posts without a light on the gun. I believe this is the issue. Too much room to get crap in the trigger guard even when holstered, if you have a light. The 320s trigger guard is much thinner than the Glocks. And no dingus. It could be something else, but the common denominator seems to be the light. Could the retrofit a trigger safety on these? @EXCATM76 Can't find a video by that title. I know there are videos that explain it, but I don't know which specific video you're referring to. |
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Quoted: What in the gun's design is the cause of it firing without the trigger being pulled? Or does anyone have a link to a report that details it? I don't know much about the issue with the 320 firing on it's own  Testing two P320's for Uncommanded Discharge: One PASS, one FAIL |
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Quoted: Quoted: What in the gun's design is the cause of it firing without the trigger being pulled? Or does anyone have a link to a report that details it? I don't know much about the issue with the 320 firing on it's own  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P14w4jTsHIThank you. It's a really good video, I've seen it before. I might have it saved on my hard drive, actually. |
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Quoted: Can't find a video by that title. I know there are videos that explain it, but I don't know which specific video you're referring to. posted 1 of 2 below. He's done two so far. He is on to something. Still working it out. But there are mechanical issues. He has proven that. Now the why's he is working on. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What in the gun's design is the cause of it firing without the trigger being pulled? Or does anyone have a link to a report that details it? I don't know much about the issue with the 320 firing on it's own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P14w4jTsHIAwesome thanks for the link |
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Can someone explain why this shit happens with P320s, but not P365s, when far more P365s are carried in crappy holsters? Aren't they mechanically very similar? I say that with a P365 in a pocket holster right now, but have avoided buying a P320, and in fact bought a 2011 instead. |
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Excellent!  Groundhog Day - Clock ... I Got You Babe! |
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Quoted: Can someone explain why this shit happens with P320s, but not P365s, when far more P365s are carried in crappy holsters? Aren't they mechanically very similar? I say that with a P365 in a pocket holster right now, but have avoided buying a P320, and in fact bought a 2011 instead. Nope; they went with a different design in the 365 |
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Quoted: I have 2 P320 both compacts one is Pro carry, never an issue. I checked the Serial numbers with sig and both came back no update required. Now if this guy had one that needed updated then its on him. But if they do offer a full replacement, Im in for that. No, pretty sure that's still on SIG for their design. Not everyone gets every recall notice. Selling/shipping a faulty product then issuing a "voluntary upgrade" (their words) is not a "get off the hook" card. |
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Quoted: Light bearing holster, skinny trigger guard, this seems to be the trend with these. We don’t see a lot of these Sig firing in holster posts without a light on the gun. I believe this is the issue. Too much room to get crap in the trigger guard even when holstered, if you have a light. The 320s trigger guard is much thinner than the Glocks. And no dingus. It could be something else, but the common denominator seems to be the light. Could the retrofit a trigger safety on these? Lots of guns have lights. Lots of guns are in all kinds of holsters. Sometimes not even the right holster. The common denominator is the P320. And no, a trigger safety retrofit is unlikely to help, since it's not necessarily a trigger engagement, so much as the safety-sear isn't engaged correct due to design defect combined by a poor QC manufacturing and supply chain process. With a full-spring-tension on the release sear, left as the only thing holding it back. The MIM release sear, with a nice light spring for that sweet-sweet pull; which apparently doesn't always reset quite right, or can walk off with time and movement. As to "staged" nobody is going to "stage" a live round shooting at them. And doing so in a large class setting while being filmed, would be a rather spotty plan. Seriously, the P320 defense is religious level absurdity at this point. |
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Quoted: No, pretty sure that's still on SIG for their design. Not everyone gets every recall notice. Selling/shipping a faulty product then issuing a "voluntary upgrade" (their words) is not a "get off the hook" card. People keep conflating the drop issue with the other issue. It's different problems. |