[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Are you stocking up on P320s? (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 6/9/2025 10:56:12 PM EDT
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Lots of discussion on whether/how the Sig P320 spontaneous discharge problem is real, this is not a thread to discuss that. With everyone dumping the Sig P320, but it being such a prevalent gun and the latest sidearm for the largest military in the world, I cannot fathom a scenario where someone doesn't come up with a solution. The firearms industry is very clever and has some sharp mechanical engineers. Even if the solution involves replacing sears/strikers entirely, the main chassis frame is the firearm, everything else is replaceable. So, should we be buying up P320s on the cheap? I'm seeing stock P320 guns for $300-400, nicer versions with optics for $500. ETA: So the consensus after over 350 votes is the P320 is trash. And, I see 2 pages of P320 items in EE, including almost 4 dozen listings for actual P320 guns, yet almost all are essentially undiscounted. I don't consider including extra grip modules or mags or holsters as making a gun sold "at a significant discount". It saddens me to see arfcommers willing to sell an apparently dangerous/bad gun to another (presumably unsuspecting) arfcommer without offering something like a 50% discount off current retail offerings. |
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Quoted: Even with all the guns in the military or police units? Something like half a million in the US not including non-LEO/Mil purchases. It's a good question. The Krag didn't last very long. The M14 was also short lived. Wouldn't be the first time if the ND situation becomes worse or well understood and there isn't an easy fix. |
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I voted there will never be a fix that is good enough, in the sense I’ll never buy one. I never thought they were good pistols to begin with, though, even before all the issues came out about them over the years. They’re ugly and disfigured looking. Kind of like a Type 94 Nambu except made of plastic… and seemingly about equal or worse in safety. The slide is too big for the small grip, and they generally have an unimpressive feel of being a cheap pistol. There never was much to like about them, but the overly-complex design that appears very kludged together, questionable manufacturing, and company of dubious ethics makes it especially unappealing. They’re not very good pistols as a first impression, and they just get worse the more you know about them. |
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Quoted: I voted there will never be a fix that is good enough, in the sense I'll never buy one. I never thought they were good pistols to begin with, though, even before all the issues came out about them over the years. They're ugly and disfigured looking. Kind of like a Type 94 Nambu except made of plastic and seemingly about equal or worse in safety. The slide is too big for the small grip, and they generally have an unimpressive feel of being a cheap pistol. There never was much to like about them, but the overly-complex design that appears very kludged together, questionable manufacturing, and company of dubious ethics makes it especially unappealing. They're not very good pistols as a first impression, and they just get worse the more you know about them. |
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Quoted: I never understood the whole swappable FCU. How many people are utilizing that feature? If it is part of the cause of the issue I think that idea may die off. Quoted: Quoted: I voted there will never be a fix that is good enough, in the sense I'll never buy one. I never thought they were good pistols to begin with, though, even before all the issues came out about them over the years. They're ugly and disfigured looking. Kind of like a Type 94 Nambu except made of plastic and seemingly about equal or worse in safety. The slide is too big for the small grip, and they generally have an unimpressive feel of being a cheap pistol. There never was much to like about them, but the overly-complex design that appears very kludged together, questionable manufacturing, and company of dubious ethics makes it especially unappealing. They're not very good pistols as a first impression, and they just get worse the more you know about them. I don’t know what the cause of the issues are any better than anyone else does. Maybe that’s part of it, maybe not. I tend to think it probably isn’t, at least not the main issue. However, I agree that I don’t get the point. It was a dumb novelty feature when they did it in the P250. The barrel, slide, optics, etc. make up so much of the cost of a handgun, the idea of having a whole set of everything else except what amounts to a cassette trigger… why? Just buy another gun for a negligible amount more. I just can’t imagine there is even a single person who is routinely taking their pistol apart and rebuilding it with spare parts to switch back and forth between full size and compact, for example. Who would that person even be? A cop that carries a full size on duty and then reconfigures his pistol after his shift so he can carry a compact at the grocery store after work? Silly gimmick feature. |
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Quoted: I never understood the whole swappable FCU. How many people are utilizing that feature? If it is part of the cause of the issue I think that idea may die off. Quoted: Quoted: I voted there will never be a fix that is good enough, in the sense I'll never buy one. I never thought they were good pistols to begin with, though, even before all the issues came out about them over the years. They're ugly and disfigured looking. Kind of like a Type 94 Nambu except made of plastic and seemingly about equal or worse in safety. The slide is too big for the small grip, and they generally have an unimpressive feel of being a cheap pistol. There never was much to like about them, but the overly-complex design that appears very kludged together, questionable manufacturing, and company of dubious ethics makes it especially unappealing. They're not very good pistols as a first impression, and they just get worse the more you know about them. It would make more sense to push the chassis themselves and let people build their handguns like they do their rifles. I disinsentive to buying a gun with a chassis like the P320, P365, RXM, CC9, etc. is you now have the OEM grip/slide to deal with after buying a Wilson Combat or other aftermarket grip/slide/guts. But $300 for a P320 FCU never made sense to me. $25 for just the bare chassis, no sears/bars/grip/slide/striker, just a piece of folded metal, would be more of something to get my interest. |
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Quoted: Is the military getting rid of their P320s? I've not seen anything on our armed forces issues with this pistol. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Master-P320-index-thread-NO-opinions-allowed-post-links-and-data-only/14-216492/?r=2554649&page=1&anc=2554649#i2554655 https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern Attached File |
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There will never be a “fix” — just less and less attention given to the problem. How can there ever be a “fix” when Sig is flatly and consistently denying there is even a problem? Sig cannot back down now after making such a staunch stance that the 320 is perfectly safe as-is — it would be corporate suicide. And I’m not going to be stupid enough to trust some shade tree gunsmith to provide a “solution” either but hey — you do you. And no reputable big name gunsmith is going to claim to fix the problem either — WAY too much liability for such a tiny amount of reward. How much would YOU pay to “fix” a problem on a cheap gun with little resale value? Sig will move on and away from the 320, and so should you. There may be a few smaller lawsuit “go away” payouts from Sig along the way “with no admission of guilt” but that will be that. |
| I'm not a Sig hater, I do have a couple of their classic DA/SA guns and an older Sig Pro. As for the P320, don't have one, won't have one, for two reasons. First, the P320 has never appealed to me enough to even pick one up and look at it. The other reason is named Ron Cohen. He ruined Kimber's reputation, now he's moved on to running Sig into the ground. Everything he touches turns to shit. Whoever hired him at Sig should have their ass handed to them. Hopefully he'll retire there and not move on to wreck another good gunmaker. |
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Quoted: This. I didn't want or buy these shitty pistols, before they were known to be so shitty as to be unsafe in the holster. $500 LOL. This. Hard to believe anyone would pay even $250 for a used 320 when used Glocks are literally falling out of trees in that price range. |
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Quoted: There will never be a “fix” — just less and less attention given to the problem. How can there ever be a “fix” when Sig is flatly and consistently denying there is even a problem? ….. And I’m not going to be stupid enough to trust some shade tree gunsmith to provide a “solution” either but hey — you do you. The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn’t mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. |
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Quoted: The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn't mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. And those rifle modifications are usually trying to make a performance gain, not address a safety flaw. |
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Quoted: The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn’t mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. Quoted: Quoted: There will never be a “fix” — just less and less attention given to the problem. How can there ever be a “fix” when Sig is flatly and consistently denying there is even a problem? ….. And I’m not going to be stupid enough to trust some shade tree gunsmith to provide a “solution” either but hey — you do you. The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn’t mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. It may well be that Sig has already fixed the issues in new guns, but hasn't issued a recall for older ones for fear of being slaughtered in the courts. |