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I think two important considerations must be made when deciding to trust things: 1) So far the problem hasn't been identified. They can't confirm why it is going off in holsters but at the same time, they can't confirm what is wrong, if anything. 2) As a citizen you are not afforded the same level of immunity. Since the department owns the gun and is issuing it to you, you're protected in the sense that you were using equipment and was using it in the way you were trained and told to use it. But as a citizen, you're not afforded anything. If the gun goes off accidentally, you can land yourself in multiple criminal and civil problems that could last for years and could bankrupt you. Personally I would err on the side of caution. Don't sell it or get rid of it, but definitely be smart about it. If you have something else, use that but if you must carry the 320 be sure to not load it with a round in the chamber. |
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So... I find comfort in the fact that if Trump has to work so hard to go to Heaven, then there is a shit load of Democrats that have no f-cking chance to go anywhere but HELL. Sometimes it is entirely appropriate to kill a fly with a sledge-hammer.
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had thought of getting a full sized pistol to put on the tractor's roll over bar; but I don't want a bullet in a $1K hydraulic line so I'm getting a HiPoint 10mm instead. Cheaper & safer |
Call the tune and let's dance; but beware that the devil is the piper and the tab for that soiree will be hell to pay.
Training&Trigger Time are more important than chasing a hardware Holy Grail
Training&Trigger Time are more important than chasing a hardware Holy Grail
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Yes, without hesitation. It’s pretty clear to me that it’s end user error. But the P320 isn’t full of some magic, good or bad. If you have other pistols that you shoot well, go ahead and carry them. I’ve said repeatedly that all the BS bashing serves no good. It absolves the likely real culprits of their poor handling skills. They don’t learn a damned thing by blaming an inanimate object. Furthermore, it casts a poor light on the current premier firearm innovator. There’s very little new in the world of firearms. Most every new pistol is just a G19 clone. SIG is at least making some innovative moves, like the chassis, and stack and a half micro carry. If you don’t want one, fine. Don’t buy one. But you’re hurting the entire firearm industry by trying to tear down SIG. |
| The P320 was my first handgun. Once I bought a P229 shortly after, I realized that a striker fired gun with no safety and a light trigger probably was the safest for me and sold it. This was 4 years ago after the fix, and long before the latest BS. There is a video from Robert Burke that he recently put out. He explains it quite a bit, and I agree with him 100%. |
 Our updated opinion on the P320 controversy. 1-25-26. |
 Sig 320 uncommanded discharge  Drop test a sig p320 yes it goes BANG!! 1st time on carpet!  Failed To Load Title Originally not drop safe, and only made drop safe by a “voluntary upgrade” no telling how many out there without the “upgrade” then we have multiple in holster discharges on video. Basically you have to be stupid imo to carry one of these pistols. The fact that this is happened multiple times and no there isnt a 100% identified problem with the guns doesn’t mean there isnt a problem. Also sig themselves has put 320s on a shake table to vibrate and they had multiple primer strikes on cartridges. Hmmm |
 Sig P320 discharge in holster, Roscommon, Michigan February 4, 2016 with audio, :40 mark |
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Nope. I've shot it a few times at the range since it ended but I'm not dumb enough to endanger myself for a $500 pistol. Plenty of other plastic Mattel pistols out there to choose from. I'll take a DA/SA gun any day. |
It’s time. Time to tear the whole system down!
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Check from Sig must have cleared after his visit. What a shill.
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No good will come from me a fightin' your war....-John Carter
| Still carry my Xten Comp in my Kenai chest holster. I will admit I have thought about what if I get goes off into my left arm when I am far off the beaten path. I have considered carrying my USP 45 loaded with 45 Supers instead but I love how the short Xten shoots. |
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No Not until theres a definitive answer to the UDs Theres more than enough videos showing those things going off that there's definitely a problem. I use to think it may been poor QC, tollerance stacking or wrong parts (10mm parts in a 9mm gun). Now I believe its assembly/disassembly error on the shooters part; treating it like a glock. Im not getting rid of mine. I like shooting them. However they're strictly range guns for now. |
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Nope. Traded my last one at a Gun Show yesterday. Loved the gun(s), loved the trigger, but didn’t trust them anymore. I had tried manipulating the slides (my gosh they are loose WTF?) and banging on it with no anomalies, but still… There are too many quality firearms available from too many reputable manufacturers so I moved on. |
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Yes... every day, one in the chamber no manual safety. I have been carrying a 320 since 2017. I shoot the P320 better than any of my other pistols. I own 5 different models. I have personally tried to recreate the discharge by manipulating the slide, hitting the slide on all sides with a rubber mallet, just about everything short of sticking something in the trigger like some youtube videos out there to simulate a partial pull? or actually pulling the trigger manually while manipulating the slide up and down. I cannot explain the cases of discharge while holstered, and I agree even a few are too many. But I trust my pistols enough to EDC. 
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| I like and trust my 365 macro, but......its pretty telling that sig could have shrunk 320 design 15-20% and made the 365. Instead they completely redesigned every aspect of the 320 to get the 365. That tells me they knew there was a design defect in the 320. Shrinking parts in a 320 would have saved millions in new design and r&d of the 365. |
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Originally Posted By EncoreGolf: do this: https://i.imgur.com/4GpLoUK.jpeg and safety increases tenfold @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. |
| Yup, I was issued one 10 years ago and carried it until retirement. I’ve seen them go through all kinds of rigors,some were bumped so hard the optics shattered. We never had one fire by itself and fours years into retirement they still haven’t had one fire by itself. |
If a 147 grn 9mm at 1000 FPS is the hammer of Thor then a 165 grn. 40 at 1200 fps must a lightening bolt from Zeus!
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Originally Posted By MidwestJ: @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. Originally Posted By MidwestJ: Originally Posted By EncoreGolf: do this: https://i.imgur.com/4GpLoUK.jpeg and safety increases tenfold @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. @EncoreGolf Yes, we are going to need an answer on that, or I'm just going to assume you're trolling in a tech forum. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: @EncoreGolf Yes, we are going to need an answer on that, or I'm just going to assume you're trolling in a tech forum. Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By MidwestJ: Originally Posted By EncoreGolf: do this: https://i.imgur.com/4GpLoUK.jpeg and safety increases tenfold @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. @EncoreGolf Yes, we are going to need an answer on that, or I'm just going to assume you're trolling in a tech forum. He's not trolling. The theory underlying that particular mod, IIRC, is that the drop safety improvements induced the Taurus-like behavior of the 320 FCG. I don't know how you prove that safety increases 10 fold, but that mod has been discussed in the giant GD thread and is linked in the 320 tech thread, though I don't have the videos or arguments specifically linked to. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: He's not trolling. The theory underlying that particular mod, IIRC, is that the drop safety improvements induced the Taurus-like behavior of the 320 FCG. I don't know how you prove that safety increases 10 fold, but that mod has been discussed in the giant GD thread and is linked in the 320 tech thread, though I don't have the videos or arguments specifically linked to. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By MidwestJ: Originally Posted By EncoreGolf: do this: https://i.imgur.com/4GpLoUK.jpeg and safety increases tenfold @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. @EncoreGolf Yes, we are going to need an answer on that, or I'm just going to assume you're trolling in a tech forum. He's not trolling. The theory underlying that particular mod, IIRC, is that the drop safety improvements induced the Taurus-like behavior of the 320 FCG. I don't know how you prove that safety increases 10 fold, but that mod has been discussed in the giant GD thread and is linked in the 320 tech thread, though I don't have the videos or arguments specifically linked to. Thanks. It's a very vague and crudely drawn instruction, so it was hard to take it seriously. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Thanks. It's a very vague and crudely drawn instruction, so it was hard to take it seriously. Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By MidwestJ: Originally Posted By EncoreGolf: do this: https://i.imgur.com/4GpLoUK.jpeg and safety increases tenfold @EncoreGolf Explain please. What’s up with this? Asking in earnest. @EncoreGolf Yes, we are going to need an answer on that, or I'm just going to assume you're trolling in a tech forum. He's not trolling. The theory underlying that particular mod, IIRC, is that the drop safety improvements induced the Taurus-like behavior of the 320 FCG. I don't know how you prove that safety increases 10 fold, but that mod has been discussed in the giant GD thread and is linked in the 320 tech thread, though I don't have the videos or arguments specifically linked to. Thanks. It's a very vague and crudely drawn instruction, so it was hard to take it seriously. I think it's intended to increase sear engagement by removing the back piece, and it lowers sear mass, lessening the chance that the sear might bounce or gradually walk off the striker. I'm curious whether the aftermarket metal grip modules would decrease lateral or rotational slide movement while in battery, which might also promote sear engagement. I did note in Gray's description of his new dingus trigger that one of the parts had additional debris protection. I really wonder if the variability in the tightness of slide to FCU lockup means that some guns are more prone to less sear engagement than others - the M17/M18 guns reportedly are very tight, and IIRC we only have one report, the Marine contract security guard in Japan, of a seeming UD w/ the .mil contract guns. I forgot, there's also the Canadian Warrant Officer suing over being shot in the leg, IIRC. The real answer might be machining an FCU from billet with precise rail tolerances, but that would be a gun in & of itself, so not likely anyone's going to take on that liability, and it would be a tremendous expense for SIG to roll that out in a recall across the fleet. These are all just the speculations of a Texas Aggie liberals arts major, so I wouldn't put much stock in em. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: I think it's intended to increase sear engagement by removing the back piece, and it lowers sear mass, lessening the chance that the sear might bounce or gradually walk off the striker. I'm curious whether the aftermarket metal grip modules would decrease lateral or rotational slide movement while in battery, which might also promote sear engagement. I did note in Gray's description of his new dingus trigger that one of the parts had additional debris protection. I really wonder if the variability in the tightness of slide to FCU lockup means that some guns are more prone to less sear engagement than others - the M17/M18 guns reportedly are very tight, and IIRC we only have one report, the Marine contract security guard in Japan, of a seeming UD w/ the .mil contract guns. I forgot, there's also the Canadian Warrant Officer suing over being shot in the leg, IIRC. The real answer might be machining an FCU from billet with precise rail tolerances, but that would be a gun in & of itself, so not likely anyone's going to take on that liability, and it would be a tremendous expense for SIG to roll that out in a recall across the fleet. These are all just the speculations of a Texas Aggie liberals arts major, so I wouldn't put much stock in em. The point of chopping the sear leg is to prevent uncommanded sear movement from simultaneously driving the trigger bar forward and deactivating the striker safety lock. These guns need two failures: a loss of sear engagement and a stuck or disengaged striker safety. On some P320s it has been shown that pushing the sear down can not only release the striker but deactivate the striker safety, thereby allowing the striker to penetrate the breech face |