[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG sued for wrongful death (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/12/2025 10:44:59 PM EDT
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https://www.thetrace.org/2024/12/sig-sauer-p320-safety-lawsuit-death/ Well it was all fun and games but now it's gotten real. This should shake the tree real good. |
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Hotlinked and info from article added that is from DECEMBER 2024. Wrongful Death Lawsuit Filed Against SIG Sauer As Concerns Mount Over Its Signature Handgun The lawsuit has renewed scrutiny on the gunmaker for alleged defects in its P320 pistol. By Champe Barton Dec 4, 2024 Updated Dec 5, 2024 https://www.thetrace.org/2024/12/sig-sauer-p320-safety-lawsuit-death/ SIG Sauer, the New Hampshire-based manufacturer of a popular handgun tied to more than 100 accidental shooting injuries, is facing a new lawsuit claiming that the gun caused the death of a Pennsylvania father. Roman Neshin, 41, died October 1 in his Bucks County home after a bullet fired from his SIG Sauer P320 pistol pierced his groin and punctured his femoral artery, according to the lawsuit and an interview with his widow’s attorney. Neighbors found him lying unresponsive in his basement hours later with an unused tourniquet in his lap and a cellphone by his side. The lawsuit indicates that plastic fragments were found in Neshin’s wound, suggesting that the gun fired while at least partially seated in its holster. The lawsuit — filed by Neshin’s widow, Mariya Gomelskaya, in a Philadelphia court on December 3 — alleges that a defect in the design of the P320 made it unreasonably susceptible to unintentional discharge. In an email to The Trace, SIG Sauer did not comment on the new lawsuit. The company said it provides “printed materials with every pistol with numerous warnings,” and that the safety manual advises “against carrying a round in the chamber until ready to fire.” Neshin’s death deepens the controversy embroiling SIG Sauer as its flagship handgun is tied to an increasing number of unintentional shooting injuries. On November 20, a Philadelphia jury awarded $11 million in damages to Army veteran George Abrahams, who suffered a gunshot wound to his leg while descending a staircase at his home with a P320 zipped into his pants pocket. SIG Sauer, the New Hampshire-based manufacturer of a popular handgun tied to more than 100 accidental shooting injuries, is facing a new lawsuit claiming that the gun caused the death of a Pennsylvania father. SIG Sauer has maintained that the incidents were the result of unsafe handling and that the P320 is safe to use. But in the year since, the number of shootings and injuries has continued to grow. At least 15 additional plaintiffs have sued the gunmaker, and evidence has surfaced of at least 20 additional injuries. Gomelskaya filed her suit in the same court that heard Abrahams’s case. She is the second person to blame a defective P320 pistol for an unintentional shooting death. The first incident involved a Colorado man who said his gun fired a bullet into his wife’s neck during a Christmas party in 2018. After a criminal jury convicted that man of negligence, he withdrew his lawsuit against SIG Sauer. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_9752_jpeg-3539452.JPG Taken from one of the other Sig threads. Must have learn that from the management of Remington and the model 700 defect |
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At some point Sig may find their current defense is unproductive and switch to a new way. Sig's new release: Given the obvious widely published defect inherent in the Sig P320 any user should have the common sense to not carry this pistol and is therefore responsible for their own death Sig's new bottom line; "Ya fucked up, you trusted us" |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_9752_jpeg-3539452.JPG Taken from one of the other Sig threads. So, show where someone from SIG really said that? Yes, they have a problem. So do other gun makers, past and present. They do need to fix it, but to lie to make a point is no more honest. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_9752_jpeg-3539452.JPG Taken from one of the other Sig threads. Isn't that how all recall decision trees look? |
I honestly think some here have never seen "Fight Club" and don't appreciate with beauty of that meme. So for those a little in the dark, the original: Fight Club - The Recall Coordinator's Formula |
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Quoted: So, show where someone from SIG really said that? Yes, they have a problem. So do other gun makers, past and present. They do need to fix it, but to lie to make a point is no more honest. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_9752_jpeg-3539452.JPG Taken from one of the other Sig threads. So, show where someone from SIG really said that? Yes, they have a problem. So do other gun makers, past and present. They do need to fix it, but to lie to make a point is no more honest. Attached File |
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Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8084_jpeg-3540040.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8085_png-3540041.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8086_png-3540042.JPG Or a closed bottom holster. |
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Quoted: Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8084_jpeg-3540040.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8085_png-3540041.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8086_png-3540042.JPG How do you know if the holster had an open bottom? |
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Quoted: Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8084_jpeg-3540040.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8085_png-3540041.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8086_png-3540042.JPG So you are guessing it was a open holster? |
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Here is where every dumbass who has their finger on the trigger and shoots themself gets to blame SIG, because of some legit concerns that have been documented. Nothing really seems to show this was a pistol problem instead of a user problem, but they are suing over it anyhow… SIG is gonna get eaten up fighting lawsuits, most of which will be BS user errors, but they will have a hard time proving which is which. And juries are dumb, so it is likely some dumbasses who shot themselves because of their own actions will get money out of it. What a mess. |
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Trace is some anti gun site forgotten weapons put out a new p320 video. I guess he was backpedaling from an old video he did defending the 320. I thought this video was pretty good  A Thoughtful & Nuanced Take on SIG's P320 Nightmare |
A rather more entertaining video - well, at least the music is: Sig's Continue to Go BOOM! |
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Quoted: Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8084_jpeg-3540040.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8085_png-3540041.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8086_png-3540042.JPG It could be an open or closed bottom holster. My Safariland has a plastic cover. |
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I think the P-320 “issue” has revealed yet other possible issues within Sig-Sauer corruption, greed, and callous indifference. The first time I fired a P-320. I was impressed with the accuracy, which I attributed largely to the light trigger, which I immediately believed belonged on a target pistol, rather than a combat handgun. The M7 rifle is turning out to be a pile of shit too, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Sig “greased some palms” to get U.S. Military contracts. |
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Quoted: Gun manufacturers being sued for wrongful deaths isn’t exclusive to sig, nor is it a new thing. How many gun manufactures were sued for an alleged UD death caused from a specific model and then attempted to counter the bad press with a “it ends today” type social media campaign that arguably made things even worse for them? |
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Quoted: How do you know if the holster had an open bottom? Quoted: Quoted: Plastic in the wound kinda tells me it wasn’t fully in the holster. The bullet struck the holster on the way out. Probably similar to this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8084_jpeg-3540040.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8085_png-3540041.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_8086_png-3540042.JPG How do you know if the holster had an open bottom? "At this point, what difference does it make?" Seriously, a closed-bottom holster is not going to contain a discharged round. |
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Quoted: I think the P-320 “issue” has revealed yet other possible issues within Sig-Sauer corruption, greed, and callous indifference. The first time I fired a P-320. I was impressed with the accuracy, which I attributed largely to the light trigger, which I immediately believed belonged on a target pistol, rather than a combat handgun. The M7 rifle is turning out to be a pile of shit too, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Sig “greased some palms” to get U.S. Military contracts. Ditto on the 320 trigger. It’s a sweet trigger but I wouldn’t want it on a working gun. My FFL buddy is a huge fan and has gone to town on his. Trigger kits, slide lightening, different barrel and sights. It’s his gamer gun he uses once or twice a year. I wouldn’t touch one no matter how cheap he says he can get one for me. I don’t have to know that there could be an issue, I have to know that there isn’t an issue to be confident in it. I’ll stick to the Glock and my CZ toy. |
| I fucking hate SIG, but I would be concerned. My hate is due to their policies and how I got fucked, not junk shit shooting people randomly. This would make Hogg and Kelly's Panties sopping wet and could open a Pandora's Box of mostly frivolous litigation based on mental gymnastics dragging others in who are blameless. |