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1/25/2026 10:01:57 PM EDT
From WSJ:



It apparently hasn't ended yet.

I'm sure tomorrow is going to be a fun day in Exeter, NH.

1/25/2026 10:03:30 PM EDT
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1/25/2026 10:07:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Whose going be the lucky stiff to tell "The Commander In Chief" that it's the same pistol issued to all our armed forces.



Bigger_Hammer
1/25/2026 10:07:46 PM EDT
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Right.... And has already likely killed a few of them
1/25/2026 10:07:46 PM EDT
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From WSJ:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_jJD4IXMAAH8SY?format=jpg&name=small

It apparently hasn't ended yet.

I'm sure tomorrow is going to be a fun day in Exeter, NH.

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FFS…
1/25/2026 10:09:57 PM EDT
[#5]
This will be fun!
1/25/2026 10:10:03 PM EDT
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.
1/25/2026 10:13:00 PM EDT
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.
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Yikes for Sig. IDK why anyone would own one.
1/25/2026 10:14:04 PM EDT
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1/25/2026 10:15:15 PM EDT
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.
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No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like fed #1  saw protester’s gun, fed #2 reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Fed #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know whos hand it was, panicked, and dumped 5 or so rounds into the back of the protester who was on his hands and knees with 4 guys piled on top of them. It’s amazing there wasn’t any friendly fire.

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Stabilized possibly up scaled video posted below shows protester’s gun did in fact go off in an agent’s hand.
1/25/2026 10:15:35 PM EDT
[#10]
I said in the other thread this incident might be the nail in the coffin for the 320. Sig is going to have to finally recon with the reality their pistol has a problem.
1/25/2026 10:16:11 PM EDT
[#11]
What happened to the big giant sig threads?
1/25/2026 10:16:20 PM EDT
[#12]
Did Ben Stoeger comment on it yet?
1/25/2026 10:16:28 PM EDT
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The Air Force case got turned to murder. The security douche played the “do you trust me” game and pulled the trigger in his buddy’s chest, then got everyone else on shift to go with the “gun went off in the holster” story.

But in this one, the video looks to show the agent holding the Sig below the trigger guard with a full 4 finger grip in every frame playing it forward and back. Doesn’t look like the trigger finger does anything. I wonder if the increased weight of the optic helped pull the slide upward as he swung it around his right side
1/25/2026 10:16:28 PM EDT
[#14]
He can be an idiot, but at least he's our idiot
1/25/2026 10:16:45 PM EDT
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They are professional enough.
1/25/2026 10:18:30 PM EDT
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No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like one of the guys saw protester’s gun and panicked, then one of his team members reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Guy #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know who’s hand it was so dumped 5 or so rounds into the protester.
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.


No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like one of the guys saw protester’s gun and panicked, then one of his team members reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Guy #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know who’s hand it was so dumped 5 or so rounds into the protester.


I haven’t done a deep dive into all the videos, but there was definitely a shot prior to the officer opening fire.

I’ve also seen slowed videos showing the suspects gun going off in the ice officers hand, but I acknowledge that could be doctored/AI/etc.
1/25/2026 10:18:47 PM EDT
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.
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So the gun accidentally went off making the other agents think the perp was firing his weapon causing the other agent to shoot him? If that turns out to be true, yikes.


There are videos explaining this theory, and it seems pretty solid.

Pretti's gun discharged first, but after it had already been taken from him.

The other agents reacted to the shots.

The question then becomes why Pretti's gun discharged.

Resolution sucks, but it looks like the agent is holding it with his hand completely below the trigger guard.

The quote from WSJ suggests Trump may also think/know something along these lines.
1/25/2026 10:18:50 PM EDT
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I wondered the same thing, but how can you prove the agent didnt have a ND?
1/25/2026 10:19:18 PM EDT
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Pistol in question. Perhaps the gun who carried the gun away pulled the trigger but from watching the video the first shot I heard was the one pointed at his back.
1/25/2026 10:19:37 PM EDT
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Did no one tell him it ends today?
1/25/2026 10:19:39 PM EDT
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No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like fed #1  saw protester’s gun, fed #2 reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Fed #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know whos hand it was, panicked, and dumped 5 or so rounds into the back of the protester who was on his hands and knees with 4 guys piled on top of them. It’s amazing there wasn’t any friendly fire.
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This is a video of the gun firing, slide cycling and coming back in to battery. Are you saying it’s not?

https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw
[tweet]https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw[/tweet]
1/25/2026 10:20:17 PM EDT
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I thought the same thing early on in the other threads.

Get your Sigs now, gentlemen.  They might not be in business forever, *if true*.
1/25/2026 10:20:47 PM EDT
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I haven’t done a deep dive into all the videos, but there was definitely a shot prior to the officer opening fire.

I’ve also seen slowed videos showing the suspects gun going off in the ice officers hand, but I acknowledge that could be doctored/AI/etc.
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I’ve been trying to see if that was the case myself but couldn’t tell if the first shot was accidental elsewhere or intended. I thought the first shot happened at the same time the ice agents gun was blocked from view. Probably haven’t seen all the angles though.
1/25/2026 10:21:52 PM EDT
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No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like fed #1  saw protester’s gun, fed #2 reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Fed #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know whos hand it was, panicked, and dumped 5 or so rounds into the back of the protester who was on his hands and knees with 4 guys piled on top of them. It’s amazing there wasn’t any friendly fire.
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Do we know FOR SURE that the first shot was NOT fired by Pretti's gun?  I saw some stills from the video that looked like it was his gun that went off first, but they were blurry.
1/25/2026 10:22:54 PM EDT
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Do we know FOR SURE that the first shot was NOT fired by Pretti's gun?  I saw some stills from the video that looked like it was his gun that went off first, but they were blurry.
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[tweet]https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw[/tweet]
1/25/2026 10:24:29 PM EDT
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This is a video of the gun firing, slide cycling and coming back in to battery. Are you saying it’s not?

https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw
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Oh shit, I haven’t seen that one yet! I’m watching the same (or what I think is the original) video and still can’t catch it that clearly, so maybe that one has some AI stabilization or just a better res upload, but looks legit.

I retract everything.
1/25/2026 10:25:52 PM EDT
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Dbltp
1/25/2026 10:26:21 PM EDT
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Do we know FOR SURE that the first shot was NOT fired by Pretti's gun?  I saw some stills from the video that looked like it was his gun that went off first, but they were blurry.
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No. It’s just more bullshit from officials talking without any actual information. Gun didn’t go off.

Vids make it look like fed #1  saw protester’s gun, fed #2 reached over and removed the protester’s gun. Fed #1 saw that gun leave the holster and didn’t know whos hand it was, panicked, and dumped 5 or so rounds into the back of the protester who was on his hands and knees with 4 guys piled on top of them. It’s amazing there wasn’t any friendly fire.

Do we know FOR SURE that the first shot was NOT fired by Pretti's gun?  I saw some stills from the video that looked like it was his gun that went off first, but they were blurry.



Videos at tweets



1/25/2026 10:27:12 PM EDT
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Of course he has LOL.
1/25/2026 10:27:53 PM EDT
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Oh shit, I haven’t seen that one yet! I’m watching the same (original) video and still can’t catch it that clearly, so maybe that one has some AI stabilization, but looks legit.

I retract everything.
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This is a video of the gun firing, slide cycling and coming back in to battery. Are you saying it’s not?

https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw
[tweet]https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw[/tweet]


Oh shit, I haven’t seen that one yet! I’m watching the same (original) video and still can’t catch it that clearly, so maybe that one has some AI stabilization, but looks legit.

I retract everything.


Holy shit, someone in GD actually changed their opinion due to new and evolving information.

Bravo dude, I’ve been here 20 years and this is the first time I’ve witnessed such a miracle.
1/25/2026 10:28:22 PM EDT
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Fuckin A that gun went off in the hand of the BP agent, pointed at the ground.  Should be easy to find the impact and maybe the bullet.

Thanks for the link.
1/25/2026 10:32:04 PM EDT
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SIG sues POTUS for libel.

POTUS pulls all DHS, DOJ, and DOD contracts.

Glock and FN literally jizz themselves in joy.

The M-4 remains the standard infantry rifle for the next hundred years.
1/25/2026 10:32:06 PM EDT
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Just think, this all could have been avoided if the nurse had been a Glock guy.
1/25/2026 10:32:29 PM EDT
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Take this for what it’s worth (which is pretty much nothing), but my gut tells me Trump would not be talking about the reputation of the P320 the day after the incident, if it didn’t play a role in the event.

He’s not a gun guy. Someone advised him of this for some reason.
1/25/2026 10:34:43 PM EDT
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I knew it was only a matter of time before we had another Sigincident, but holy shit, I didn’t have this on my bingo board.  

1/25/2026 10:36:16 PM EDT
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1/25/2026 10:37:08 PM EDT
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That video posted above looks like the agent didn't have his finger in the trigger guard, as there is a lot of grip exposed below the slide. This could only happen if the entire hand was gripping the pistol below the trigger guard. I have no idea how it "went off". It wasn't dropped. Can 320s go off from shaking or movement?
1/25/2026 10:38:38 PM EDT
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Does anyone honestly think Trump knows anything about guns??
1/25/2026 10:47:10 PM EDT
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No. It’s extremely unlikely.

Which means he was advised by someone, for some reason, to say this barely 24 hours after the shooting.
1/25/2026 10:49:26 PM EDT
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Welcome back, M9!
1/25/2026 10:49:41 PM EDT
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SIG sues POTUS for libel.

POTUS pulls all DHS, DOJ, and DOD contracts.

Glock and FN literally jizz themselves in joy.

The M-4 remains the standard infantry rifle for the next hundred years.
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1/25/2026 10:50:46 PM EDT
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Whose going be the lucky stiff to tell "The Commander In Chief" that it's the same pistol issued to all our armed forces.



Bigger_Hammer




Not all. USCG was going to switch from the p229 to the MHS and then at the last minute switched to the … Glock 19
1/25/2026 10:51:36 PM EDT
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Wait, didn't sig say "it ends today" or something like that?
1/25/2026 10:53:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Sigbois sending emails to POTUS when they’re drinking their McDonald’s coffee in the morning.

1/25/2026 10:54:15 PM EDT
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FOX News mentioned the 320 complaints as well.
1/25/2026 10:56:00 PM EDT
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No. It’s extremely unlikely.

Which means he was advised by someone, for some reason, to say this barely 24 hours after the shooting.
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Does anyone honestly think Trump knows anything about guns??


No. It’s extremely unlikely.

Which means he was advised by someone, for some reason, to say this barely 24 hours after the shooting.


Yep.

And DHS isn't limited to grainy cellphone videos on social media.

They have the physical evidence, they have the crime scene, and they have whatever government cameras may have been present.
1/25/2026 11:01:06 PM EDT
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Take this for what it’s worth (which is pretty much nothing), but my gut tells me Trump would not be tweeting about the reputation of the P320 the day after the incident, if it didn’t play a role in the event.

He’s not a gun guy. Someone advised him of this for some reason.
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I don't think of Laura Loomer as being much of a "gun bunny" but she does knows what plays well to the base.

Bigger_Hammer
1/25/2026 11:02:21 PM EDT
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This is a video of the gun firing, slide cycling and coming back in to battery. Are you saying it’s not?

https://x.com/trippy_mcguire/status/2015239210647814156?s=46&t=XU83H-udYX-cJGHEQ5hBSw
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I'm not convinced it did. The power of suggestion and confirmation bias is real. People saw it was a P320, assumed it discharged, then worked backwards trying to find anything to support that position.

Not saying it didn't go off, but that video is not clear enough to tell definitively. I'm leaning 60/40 that it did not discharge.
1/25/2026 11:02:45 PM EDT
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No, but I'm sure he has more resources than say ..... you do .
1/25/2026 11:03:31 PM EDT
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Trump making the M9 great again.

ETA: If he does know about the M17/M18 and decides to do something about it or order someone to, Sig is about to be in deep shit.

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