Posted: 7/6/2025 11:11:38 AM EDT
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When I went to a "Sig Day" event to purchase a P365X with a manual safety for my wife the Sig factory guy tried to convince me that a manual safety wasn't a good idea. I disagreed with him and went on with the purchase. The P365X w/a MS is a very very nice pistol and I just might buy another one for myself. I wonder if the P320's had come standard with a manual safety Sig would be in so much hot water. For example: If a plunger lock was on and the pistol dropped it wouldn't go off, design flaw/mfgring flaw/what ever flaw If a plunger lock was on and the trigger was bumped while holstering the pistol wouldn't go off. The military Sigs have manual safeties and look at the 1911 it has 2 of them. Maybe they should offer that as a free fix. |
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Quoted: When I went to a "Sig Day" event to purchase a P365X with a manual safety for my wife the Sig factory guy tried to convince me that a manual safety wasn't a good idea. I disagreed with him and went on with the purchase. The P365X w/a MS is a very very nice pistol and I just might buy another one for myself. I wonder if the P320's had come standard with a manual safety Sig would be in so much hot water. For example: If a plunger lock was on and the pistol dropped it wouldn't go off, design flaw/mfgring flaw/what ever flaw If a plunger lock was on and the trigger was bumped while holstering the pistol wouldn't go off. The military Sigs have manual safeties and look at the 1911 it has 2 of them. Maybe they should offer that as a free fix. The military P320s have manual safeties, and yet there have still been a number of documented incidents of uncommanded discharges. https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern The issue is with the design itself, and likely also QC. |
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Probably. Glock pushed the trend that striker fired guns don't need manual safeties because they designed their guns to be more like a DA trigger. Then everyone just assumed that striker fired guns don't need a safety while pushing manufacturers to create guns that are more like a SA trigger. I strongly suspect that all the P320 hate is simply because it is by far the most common striker fired gun with a light trigger. There are a bunch more guns that have done the same thing but they just aren't seen very often. |
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Quoted: The DoD rejected Glock because it didn't have a manual safety on the grounds that a serviceman would negligently discharge it. Now they accepted the Sig with a manual safety and it discharges itself for the serviceman. No negligence needed. Mission Accomplished! |
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Quoted: Probably. Glock pushed the trend that striker fired guns don't need manual safeties because they designed their guns to be more like a DA trigger. Then everyone just assumed that striker fired guns don't need a safety while pushing manufacturers to create guns that are more like a SA trigger. I strongly suspect that all the P320 hate is simply because it is by far the most common striker fired gun with a light trigger. There are a bunch more guns that have done the same thing but they just aren't seen very often. ^^^^^^^^^ The trendys say a thumb safety slows them down, but they don't seem to have an issue flicking on weapons lights and acquiring dots. |
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I planned on buying a 365 with a manual safety for when I'm on the motorcycle. I figured the safety would be a good thing to have if I was flopping down the pavement at 70mph with the gun in my jacket pocket. I don't really get the hate for manual safeties. Training and practice -> muscle memory -> flipping a safety is a non-issue. In the end I went with a S&W 442. As I get older I appreciate simple and minimalist more and more. |
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Quoted: Probably. Glock pushed the trend that striker fired guns don't need manual safeties because they designed their guns to be more like a DA trigger. Then everyone just assumed that striker fired guns don't need a safety while pushing manufacturers to create guns that are more like a SA trigger. I strongly suspect that all the P320 hate is simply because it is by far the most common striker fired gun with a light trigger. There are a bunch more guns that have done the same thing but they just aren't seen very often. They’re certainly the most common striker fired gun that have an unknown percentage out in the market now with a tendency to discharge without user input. ETA: I’m not seeing many M&P or PDP holster pops. |
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Quoted: Probably. Glock pushed the trend that striker fired guns don't need manual safeties because they designed their guns to be more like a DA trigger. Then everyone just assumed that striker fired guns don't need a safety while pushing manufacturers to create guns that are more like a SA trigger. I strongly suspect that all the P320 hate is simply because it is by far the most common striker fired gun with a light trigger. There are a bunch more guns that have done the same thing but they just aren't seen very often. Have you been living under a rock? You strong suspicion is way off. |
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Quoted: The DoD rejected Glock because it didn't have a manual safety on the grounds that a serviceman would negligently discharge it. Now they accepted the Sig with a manual safety and it discharges itself for the serviceman. No negligence needed. Mission Accomplished! 10:10 Pulling a trigger to fire a gun is so '90's. |
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Quoted: Probably. Glock pushed the trend that striker fired guns don't need manual safeties because they designed their guns to be more like a DA trigger. Then everyone just assumed that striker fired guns don't need a safety while pushing manufacturers to create guns that are more like a SA trigger. I strongly suspect that all the P320 hate is simply because it is by far the most common striker fired gun with a light trigger. There are a bunch more guns that have done the same thing but they just aren't seen very often. The Sig trigger is no lighter than say a Walther PPQ trigger, or an HK VP9, or a CZ P-10C to name a few, and you don't hear stories about those pistols randomly discharging in their holsters. There is a massive design problem with the 320, and due to the way that SIG has acted about it, I will never buy one of their products again, and I was a massive SIG fanboy for years. |
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My P365XL and P365-380 both have manual safeties. Never a problem with either of them and my muscle memory is engrained enough to look for it even when shooting non manual safety guns. I also learned in the other thread the manual safety on the M17 and M18 do nothing for the sear. My civilian M18 hasn't had an issue but is collecting dust in my safe. No way I'm taking a chance with Sig foot. 
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Quoted: The Glock trigger is technically DAO since the striker is not fully sprung until the trigger is pulled. Sig 320 has the striker fully sprung/charged when the action is cycled a la SA. Quoted: Quoted: The Glock trigger is DA-like? You learn something new every day. The Glock trigger is technically DAO since the striker is not fully sprung until the trigger is pulled. Sig 320 has the striker fully sprung/charged when the action is cycled a la SA. Er, no. The Glock trigger is more of an inbetween, you're pulling the striker basically from half-cock to full-cock & then release. DAO guns typically leave the striker or hammer @ rest, and the trigger pulls them to full cock. |