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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:00:53 AM EDT
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Your conditions and positioning have to be just right for you to see your own trace often and you have to manage your recoil well so you can stay on the target. It's much easier to see trace when setup as a spotter.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Now that's interesting. You probably need to be spotting for someone to see the bullet coming in. My shooting buddy had me spot for him when we were at Quantico and that's when I could see the trail. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:56:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dHUTCH:
He may not have had enough humidity in WI to get a good vapor trail. Shooting in and around Houston we always had a solid vapor trail from my 6.5x47 Lapua. Shooting 300win mag in New Mexico was tough to pick up on one. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
I don't think its ever humid enough in NM to pickup a vapor trail |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
[#5]
I was hoping to mount the Gen II on the bolt gun but alas, two-day shipping is once again not two-days.
 Oh well, I'll just mount the older Gen I HD for tomorrow's range day.
First was to dig out a piece of pizza. The wife goes to pottery class on Wednesday night and always brings me a giant piece from Bennie's. 
I weighed a box of 50 of the Peterson .260 brass akin to how I did with the Lapua and Alpha last week. The Peterson weighed in a bit heavier and with a higher SD, but again, this is in grains so the deviation is miniscule, 0.121 ounces. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:45:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mettee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
I was hoping to mount the Gen II on the bolt gun but alas, two-day shipping is once again not two-days. Oh well, I'll just mount the older Gen I HD for tomorrow's range day.
First was to dig out a piece of pizza. The wife goes to pottery class on Wednesday night and always brings me a giant piece from Bennie's. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4863-216326.jpg I weighed a box of 50 of the Peterson .260 brass akin to how I did with the Lapua and Alpha last week. The Peterson weighed in a bit heavier and with a higher SD, but again, this is in grains so the deviation is miniscule, 0.121 ounces.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4869-216327.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Brass-Weights-216325.jpg I wonder where it would be if: 1. You fire it one time, or not fire it and just do the below 2. Size it 3. Neck turn it and weigh it again. I dont have a scale yet so I cant do it. Maybe even try that with the Alpha and Lapua |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:58:10 PM EDT
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I guess two-day was two-day. Shipping notice said UPS and the brown truck passed me by, but FedEx just showed up with the goods. Looks like it's off to the basement to mount the beast.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 5:26:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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I went downstairs and mounted the Gen II. First I laid out a plumb line since my bubble level is 35mm and the tube is 34mm so, I'm using an alternate method.
I put out the parts and pieces and mounted the Gen II into the Spuhr 0MOA mount and onto the 20MOA top rail. 
The Spuhr has a bubble level so once the mount is level on the rail, and you think the reticle is close to level, you can shine a flashlight through the front of the scope to project the reticle onto a background where you have your plumb line. Turn the rifle so you are pointing the flashlight through the front and projecting out the rear of the scope. 
You then rotate the scope to align the reticle to the plumb line and absent a level, you should be very close. 
Torque to 25 INCH pounds. 
The ladies are ready for the line tomorrow. 
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SD, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2017 6:31:10 PM EDT
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I appreciate the flashlight/plumb-bob info. Very good.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 6:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
I went downstairs and mounted the Gen II. First I laid out a plumb line since my bubble level is 35mm and the tube is 34mm so, I'm using an alternate method. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4872-216399.jpg I put out the parts and pieces and mounted this 0MOA optic on the 20MOA top mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4874-216400.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4875-216401.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4876-216402.jpg The Spuhr has a bubble level so once the scope is mounted and you think the reticle is close to level, you can shine a flashlight through the front of the scope to project the reticle onto a background where you have your plumb line. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4877-216403.jpg You then rotate the scope to align the reticle to the plumb line and absent a level, you should be very close. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4878-216404.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4880-216405.jpg Torque to 25 INCH pounds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4881-216406.jpg The ladies are ready for the line tomorrow. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4882-216398.jpg |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JonLSU:
Let us know how that scope does for you. That's probably going to be my next purchase. 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:39:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
I guess two-day was two-day. Shipping notice said UPS and the brown truck passed me by, but FedEx just showed up with the goods. Looks like it's off to the basement to mount the beast. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4873-216337.jpg Fr8dog |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:31:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:11:26 PM EDT
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I'm heading to Utah tomorrow!
With my family, RV and rzr. I don't think I will have time to do any serious shooting but will take the 260 just in case. Heading up to enjoy the cool weather and relax with the family. Do not think I will make it over to the big range. But if I do I will take pics and you guys will be the first to know. 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:15:22 PM EDT
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Oh and D3, that rifle looks awesome!
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Posted: 5/26/2017 6:23:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rugerdog:
I'm heading to Utah tomorrow! With my family, RV and rzr. I don't think I will have time to do any serious shooting but will take the 260 just in case. Heading up to enjoy the cool weather and relax with the family. Do not think I will make it over to the big range. But if I do I will take pics and you guys will be the first to know. I'm thinking quite a few .260 sparrels were delivered this week, so people will be out shooting at some point. They may also be posting their results in the FDE thread so watch that thread for reports too. Back to packing up for the range. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:31:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wompastompa:
I appreciate the flashlight/plumb-bob info. Very good. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 3:51:27 PM EDT
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I had a chance to enjoy some 23 Pappy when I was in DC at the Inauguration! Seemed like a good reason to celebrate. Nice collection too. I've found some Four Roses Single Barrel Private Selection OESO and Knob Creek Small Batch to please my pallet as well.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
So my bourbon colored pee is a bad sign? Should I drink more bourbon? Hoping those rounds aren't going to underperform based no the seating depth Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Todays update deals with the Gorilla ammo. When I looked at the round it seemed the bullet was loaded far back into the case. I took a couple of pictures to show just how far the Berger 130gr is set in the case, obviously so it can load reliably in a gasser. I'll try and pull a round to see what kind of charge they are running. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4778-209452.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4779-209453.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4781-209455.jpg Today's social update is a proud report that I am now a Marine Corps certified range OIC and RSO. I attempted to uphold the honor of the USAF (retired) but failed as I did answer one question incorrectly. I knew the answer but overthought the question. The classroom portion was at the Basic Course's Heywood Hall. It's a modern building with nice classrooms and there was a basic course of instruction occurring with probably 200 Lts, give or take a few. The fun fact of the course was that there are a lot of LaRue Targets being used on Quantico ranges, and I'm not talking the 100 pack paper grid targets.
Don't forget to hydrate and you won't since there's a sign at every urinal.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4783-209825.jpg Hoping those rounds aren't going to underperform based no the seating depth |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 4:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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Alright, I hit the range today with the newly rebarreled bolt gun in .260. I know what you're thinking, what does a .260 bolt gun have to do with the LaRue .260's??? Follow along and it will become clear shortly.
My shooting buddy, a pretty nice guy for an Army type ( ) said he had Friday off so it was up to me to see if I could get a day to go to the range. Easy, peasy, I took a day off and we decided to hit the local 100 yard range this morning. I finished up with the new Gen II by performing a bore sighting using the Leupold tool. You measure the height off bore and then center the tool on the muzzle. You turn it on and it has a lighted crosshair target inside that you simply move your reticle crosshairs to match. If you get it right, you're on target first shot.
I loaded up just about everything, two rifles, ammo, targets, tools, cleaning stuff for the new barrel, LabRadar, etc., etc. 
I honestly thought we would be alone since it's rained for three days but nope, there were a hoop of folks on the line getting ready for matches this weekend. No problem, we were first on the range and selected the left end since it would be good prone and with less standing water. We set targets at 100 and then used a rangefinder to confirm it was spot on, 100 yards. 
I brought out my stuff and I asked my shooting buddy if he was shooting his AI in .260, nope, he's shooting a FDE in .260!!!!!!  Yup, that got my attention. He received his FDE, and his 18" .260 sparrel arrived this week.
Some scope adjustments and it was shooting fine. I do believe he Outshot the Shootist, but he can discuss his impressions if he likes. 
He was shooting the 142gr FGMM and we did run the LabRadar for his 18" barrel as well as run some Gorilla and Hornady through .260. I think there is some promise in that Gorilla as it was very consistent in MV while being loaded a bit lighter than, for say, the Prime. 
I brought my 22" .260 but I was only shooting it for some MVs and to see if it liked the Gorilla ammo, it did BTW. My real focus was the new bolt in .260 and this Krieger 5R barrel. The first shot was way left but on elevation (so much for me getting the Leupold thing correct). I adjusted the Gen II, which is done by removing the turret cover and turning the inside screw, which allows you to set your initial zero-stop for the L-Tec turrets. My second shot was closer but still off so a second adjustment right was made, as well as a tad up in elevation, then I locked it down and fired five rounds. The first four were on track for a 0.25MOA group and then I intervened and threw shot five taking it to a 0.9MOA group. Darn it, I just needed to calm down and concentrate. 
I kept shooting, firing a variety of unsuppressed and suppressed groups. By far, and at this point in the barrel's life, it prefers the Hornady 103 ELD-M's. They were shooting very tight. The Prime was good also but man, those MV's from the Prime were in the 2950's from a 24" barrel, that's moving! I did the LabRadar thing for the FGMM, Prime and Hornady, but couldn't for the Gorilla. It was impacting the lands and though I could close the bolt, it took a lot of pressure to do so. I wasn't going to chance a pressure issue with those bullets being mashed into the lands. All in all it was a great morning on the range and it cleared up nice, sunny with temps in the 70's and no real wind until later when it perked up quite a bit. 
Shooting buddy behind the Mausingfield. 
Some groups from today - 0.389 and 0.443 was the Hornady. 
As soon as my bushing die arrives I'll have to work up some handloads for both the gasser and the bolt. Have a nice weekend folks, get some shooting done if you can and remember, Veterans Day celebrates those who served, Memorial Day is for us to reminisce about those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our great Nation. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 4:25:28 PM EDT
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So the gorilla was hitting the lands in the bolt or gas gun? That is weird because the ogive of that bullet is pretty sharp. I assume it is the gorilla with 130 AR hybrid?
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Posted: 5/26/2017 4:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
So the gorilla was hitting the lands in the bolt or gas gun? That is weird because the ogive of that bullet is pretty sharp. I assume it is the gorilla with 130 AR hybrid? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 4:43:36 PM EDT
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Nice write up!
For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 4:49:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Nice write up! For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... |
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USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:05:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeinNC]
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Range day update for a 18" .260 barrel
We made it out to the range today to put some rounds through my new PredatAR FDE Heavy and recently received 18" .260 barrel. Great day shooting, and I was able to out shoot the LT shootist... barely
This group was shot with FGMM 142gr, but later in the day I tried a couple 130gr factory Match loads from Hornady and Gorilla that my shooting buddy had in his range bag. Both of the 130gr loads were definitely grouping well; MVs were ~2550fps with the 18" barrel. MVs for the FGMM were just under 2600fps; however, I was disappointed to see a MV spread of more than 70fps with the FGMM test group. As far as functioning, I ended up running the rifle without the suppressor in the suppressed setting on the PST, and it ran smooth with perfect ejection (H2 buffer and red spring). Suppressed; however, the rifle was slightly overgassed (1 o'clock ejection and felt hard recoil on the buffer). I need to reassess at the next range day before changing buffers/springs. Thanks again Mark and LT team for developing and offering the .260 option! |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeinNC:
Range day update for a 18" .260 barrel We made it out to the range today to put some rounds through my new PredatAR FDE Heavy with 18" .260 barrel. Great day shooting, and I was able to out shoot the LT shootist... barely
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww322/michaelinnc/IMG_1636.jpg http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww322/michaelinnc/IMG_1635.jpg This group was shot with FGMM 142gr, but later in the day I tried a couple 130gr factory Match loads from Hornady and Gorilla that my shooting buddy had in his range bag. Both of the 130gr loads were definitely grouping well; MVs were ~2550fps with the 18" barrel. MVs for the FGMM were just under 2600fps; however, I was disappointed to see a MV spread of more than 70fps with the FGMM test group. As far as functioning, I ended up running the rifle without the suppressor in the suppressed setting on the PST, and it ran smooth with perfect ejection (H2 buffer and red spring). Suppressed; however, the rifle was slightly overpassed (1 o'clock ejection and felt hard recoil on the buffer). I need to reassess at the next range day before changing buffers/springs. Thanks again Mark and LT team for developing and offering the .260 option for us!
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
MVs for which rifle, the bolt or the gasser? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Nice write up! For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
I would like to know for the Gasser.. I have 200 rd of 142gr FGMM and just installed my 18in .260 barrel 10 min ago.. give me a good starting info for my Applied ballistics app.. I was just going to drop 100FPS off what you put out as the MV for the 22inch one.. but a spot on number would be better lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blaster7R:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Nice write up! For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:20:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SuperJlarge]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
MVs for which rifle, the bolt or the gasser? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Nice write up! For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... MikeinNC.....any FGMM loaded rounds left to measure? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 5:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Both would be nice. MikeinNC.....any FGMM loaded rounds left to measure? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Nice write up! For the FGMM 142's, do you happen to know the COAL and BTO measurements? Also, what velocity was that producing? 130 eld-m...... MikeinNC.....any FGMM loaded rounds left to measure? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote History.... I tried a couple 130gr factory Match loads from Hornady and Gorilla that my shooting buddy had in his range bag. Both of the 130gr loads were definitely grouping well; MVs were ~2550fps with the 18" barrel. MVs for the FGMM were just under 2600fps; however, I was disappointed to see a MV spread of more than 70fps with the FGMM test group. The prime and Hornady ELD-M was above 28XX for D3. D3, any MV data from the Gorilla? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:42:29 PM EDT
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I was finally able to have someone take a picture of me shooting. I mean, after all, I know posting a pic of me is the highlight of the thread for so many of you.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:44:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
I was finally able to have someone take a picture of me shooting. I mean, after all, I know posting a pic of me is the highlight of the thread for so many of you.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-1634-217175.jpg |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:52:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
For the 130 hybrid that MV seems pretty low. You said it was recoiling pretty hard against the buffer.... The prime and Hornady ELD-M was above 28XX for D3. D3, any MV data from the Gorilla? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
.... I tried a couple 130gr factory Match loads from Hornady and Gorilla that my shooting buddy had in his range bag. Both of the 130gr loads were definitely grouping well; MVs were ~2550fps with the 18" barrel. MVs for the FGMM were just under 2600fps; however, I was disappointed to see a MV spread of more than 70fps with the FGMM test group. The prime and Hornady ELD-M was above 28XX for D3. D3, any MV data from the Gorilla? I had 2669FPS average in the |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
Well its mostly your ass |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Drinking a bit early today or are you still drinking from yesterday? |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
Yes... have a lady friend and her kiddo moving in tomorrow afternoon... a wee bit nervous
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Let me offer some advice, be checking her ass out, not mine. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:44:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Drinking a bit early today or are you still drinking from yesterday? 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
That 18" .260 barrel hasn't sped up yet. The FGMM was averaging 2557, but the ES was 72FPS and SD was 36.6FPS. The Gorilla was 2665fps with an ES of 26FPS and SD of 10.4FPS. I had 2669FPS average in the bolt with the Gorilla, ES was 44 and SD was 17.5. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 11:07:21 PM EDT
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I wouldn't take any fps numbers seriously until after 100-150 rounds down the barrel. Mine sped up and tightened up significantly after 100 rds.
I'm starting to think Hornady hit it out of the park with their 130 gr match load. I know that they perform great for me. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2017 2:48:54 AM EDT
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I see the Alpha and Lapua are very close in weight and I'm sure they are of the same quality. I got 3 more boxes of Lapua last week and now I find out that Alpha has 10% off with code memorial10. The one thing I like about Alpha is the packaging, dinged case mouths are not an issue the way they do it. Lapua needs to take some notes in that area!
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Posted: 5/27/2017 5:58:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aby001:
I see the Alpha and Lapua are very close in weight and I'm sure they are of the same quality. I got 3 more boxes of Lapua last week and now I find out that Alpha has 10% off with code memorial10. The one thing I like about Alpha is the packaging, dinged case mouths are not an issue the way they do it. Lapua needs to take some notes in that area! |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 6:32:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
Were all these numbers from the same 18" barrel or some of it your 22", I am assuming all the same 18" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
That 18" .260 barrel hasn't sped up yet. The FGMM was averaging 2557, but the ES was 72FPS and SD was 36.6FPS. The Gorilla was 2665fps with an ES of 26FPS and SD of 10.4FPS. I had 2669FPS average in the bolt with the Gorilla, ES was 44 and SD was 17.5. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 3:32:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
[#44]
As an owner of three Gen I Razors, I thought I’d throw up some impressions of the Gen II. The obvious is the objective is larger (56mm vs 50mm) and the tube is smaller (34mm vs 35mm), but it retains the sort of sand / dark earth color of the HD scopes. From there the scope diverts from the Gen I in that the turrets are shorter, but wider, and they use a pop-up feature for locking, as well as a pretty cool side indicator that tells you how may rotations past zero you’ve made. The turrets are zero-stop and illumination is built into the side parallax turret, accessed by pulling the turret out and turning the knob to gain illumination. The knob also has an off function between each brightness setting, a nice touch. My Gen II is the 4.5-27x and my old eyes appreciated the extra power. I opted for the EBR-2C reticle which is in MOA, akin to every other optic I own so there’s no introduced errors as I struggle on the line with math.
The scope is heavy, 48ozs of beefiness, which (according to the interweb) is a good 6ozs more than some of the others such as S&B, USO, etc., and it’s about 10ozs heavier than my Gen I 5-20. Considering it’s in a Spuhr mount and on a beast of a rifle, I can live with the 6ozs. The EBR-2C reticle is nice for me, it’s not cluttered but it still offers the subtentions you need for hold-overs. The crosshairs are a bit wider than a S&B, I suspect it could be for the illumination function but don’t quote me on that one, but they are thinner than on my Gen I. According to the web, the Gen I is 0.05 thick whereas the Gen II is 0.03 and I believe the S&B is 0.02 thick. The main crosshairs have ½ MOA subtentions (0.5, 1.0, 1.5 etc.) versus others that may have four subdivisions per MOA (0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1.0). At first I thought that could be an issue, but the center of the crosshair is a 0.06 open circle and the subtentions are similar as my Gen I. I really don’t think the lack of divisions will present an issue for the shooting I do, which is static, I won’t be running around the countryside shooting anytime soon. The subtentions extend down for holdovers with the 1 and 2 MOA holdover extending to 2MOA and the 3&4 extending to 3MOA and the 5&6 extending out to 4MOA. Each of these subtentions are in 1/4MOA divisions and they are numbered 1 – 6 so you know how much you’re holding over. I did not do a ladder test, I’ll let someone else shoot up $20 of ammo if they want. The glass is very clear and I can tell the difference from my Gen I. There is no shadow / glare / distortion or color mitigation on the edges and there was plenty of light through the tube, again, great for my old eyes. My uncalibrated eyeballs liked the glass, it was clear, showed contrast and there was a sharpness to the targets that made it easy to get on target. I did not get any tunneling through the range of magnification and again, the clarity of the image was superior. This is not a S&B, but it’s close and for the money (military discount) I think it was a great value. One issue I had was the eye box, not because of the scope, but because of the 1.5” Spuhr mount I selected. I used the scope height calculator that recommended 1.5” over bore due to the 56mm objective but what I failed to account for was the Mausingfield has a 20MOA rail. After raising my cheekpiece really high to compensate I was able to shoot pretty well, but I did order a 1.18” Spuhr mount. I measured, remeasured and measured again and with the 1.18” I should have plenty of clearance for the bolt and still have 2-3mm for the objective over the barrel. Once it arrives I remount and rezero and see if it settles me a bit, but no matter, it will be easier to maintain the correct eyebox. Overall I’m very happy with the Gen II and for what I paid, I think I have a premier piece of glass, full lifetime warranty also. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 3:35:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
[#45]
Gorilla ammo is on sale this weekend - go to their site and order direct.
Gorilla 260 Ammo ETA - Free shipping on 10 or more boxes, saves you $12. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 3:35:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
I don't think its ever humid enough in NM to pickup a vapor trail Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
He may not have had enough humidity in WI to get a good vapor trail. Shooting in and around Houston we always had a solid vapor trail from my 6.5x47 Lapua. Shooting 300win mag in New Mexico was tough to pick up on one. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 3:36:33 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Oh yes it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By Freakinout:
Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
He may not have had enough humidity in WI to get a good vapor trail. Shooting in and around Houston we always had a solid vapor trail from my 6.5x47 Lapua. Shooting 300win mag in New Mexico was tough to pick up on one. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 4:47:54 PM EDT
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Shameless plug - If you're thinking of ordering anything this weekend, consider Quantico Tactical. They have 20% off storewide /website (code MEMORIAL17) and 100% of their proceeds are supporting the Duskin and Stephens Foundation.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 8:28:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Okay, I think I see the problem. One of the strings did not save so I may have the shooter and ammo out of order.
I try and crunch all the details in my mind |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 6:13:22 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
I like to ask questions
I try and crunch all the details in my mind Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Okay, I think I see the problem. One of the strings did not save so I may have the shooter and ammo out of order.
I try and crunch all the details in my mind |
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