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Originally Posted By SmokieRiver:
Actually, you may be the benchmark. First reloading press I went Redding T7 with competition dies. Then I realized I might have go a little over board for just getting started with bushing and competition shell holders . . . But I hate upgrading when I can just make the purchase right the first time. View Quote I'm using a Forster co-ax press with Whidden dies. I bought all the bells and whistles before the election thinking Hiltlery would win and we would have eight more years of ammo shortages. Ammo prices are dropping and I have a shitake ton of reloading stuff, so I thought I might as well give it a try. Being OCD and tending towards being anal doesn't help. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Ha, hardly! I'm using a Forster press with Whidden dies. I bought all the bells and whistles before the election thinking Hiltlery would win and we would have eight more years of ammo shortages. Ammo prices are dropping and I have a shitake ton of reloading stuff, so I thought I might as well give it a try. Being OCD and tending towards being anal doesn't help. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Just don't measure the length variations of the individual kernels of powder and you will be fine... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Ha, hardly! I'm using a Forster press with Whidden dies. I bought all the bells and whistles before the election thinking Hiltlery would win and we would have eight more years of ammo shortages. Ammo prices are dropping and I have a shitake ton of reloading stuff, so I thought I might as well give it a try. Being OCD and tending towards being anal doesn't help. |
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I know you guys go searching for that tiny kernel to make it perfect.
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What, no-one else shares my OCD?
Come on guys, we need more pictures, range reports, impressions, load data, etc.! |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
What, no-one else shares my OCD? Come on guys, we need more pictures, range reports, impressions, load data, etc.! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
You're closer to the mothership than I am, just head on down! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I was asked a question about the spent casings being fire formed to the chamber akin to what happens with a bolt rifle. I'll have to do some research, but my opinion is they are not fire formed due to the rather brutal process of extraction where the case is actually stretched, and depending on the chamber, the body may also expand. Therefore, I'll be performing a full resizing on each case.
I do not have a wealth of reloading experience, and it wouldn't be my intent to get deep into reloading answers since we have two reloading forums, but what I'll be watching for are gas gun issues with case head separation (Google incipient head separation) versus a bolt gun issue of say cracks in the neck of the casing. I'm estimating, with a reasonable load, I can easily get three reloads, and maybe five before I need to be really careful. Regardless, I'll be using the paperclip test: Detecting Case Head Separation |
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Thanks for keeping the thread going.
I hope to get some range time this weekend. Although the chances are getting slim. Work called yesterday to send me out on another trip, the only problem was that I was already out on a trip. Now that is understaffed. I will post the results with the PRS Gen 3 installed if I get the free time. |
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese:
Just got my P/W Barrel in 762 and had a hell of a surprise a few minutes ago as I installed it.... I did not know there were different length hand guards I cannot use my 14.5 p/w 762 barrel (at least not with a handguard on the rifle). Shit. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/GUNZ/20170323_191906_zpsgynlulbq.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese:
Just got my P/W Barrel in 762 and had a hell of a surprise a few minutes ago as I installed it.... I did not know there were different length hand guards I cannot use my 14.5 p/w 762 barrel (at least not with a handguard on the rifle). Shit. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/GUNZ/20170323_191906_zpsgynlulbq.jpg View Quote |
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I got sick of seeing all you guys having fun with your 260s, I called the shop to inquire about barrels for sale...got a response something like April, but I wont hold the breath.
Its looking good for MV outta the 22", so I think I am gonna give her a whirl. |
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Originally Posted By mettee:
I got sick of seeing all you guys having fun with your 260s, I called the shop to inquire about barrels for sale...got a response something like April, but I wont hold the breath. Its looking good for MV outta the 22", so I think I am gonna give her a whirl. View Quote April of what year? |
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Well, I'd certainly like to see a sparrel in 6.5CM, that could be a real big seller.
I'm back from the offsite, have a ragging cold and feel run down. I'm going to take it easy for the rest of today and tomorrow, and then hit the range Monday. |
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese:
Just got my P/W Barrel in 762 and had a hell of a surprise a few minutes ago as I installed it.... I did not know there were different length hand guards I cannot use my 14.5 p/w 762 barrel (at least not with a handguard on the rifle). Shit. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/GUNZ/20170323_191906_zpsgynlulbq.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
My gun plumber cut mine for free when I SBRd View Quote ETA - To clarify, having the shorter rail when you from the shorter 7.62 barrel back to the .260 with the longer gas system. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I'd be a bit worried about the +2 gas system and exposing it more than it is already. ETA - To clarify, having the shorter rail when you from the shorter 7.62 barrel back to the .260 with the longer gas system. View Quote Aside from them being $375 a piece |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I made a quick trip to the range today to test the Magpul PRS and the JP Enterprises Silent Capture System. I'm happy to report each worked flawlessly and the JP SCS ran fine with the recommended spring, I didn't have to try either of the heavier resistance springs for the rifle to cycle. The 2014 Tacoma hit a milestone just as I parked at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Tacoma-hits-6000-at-the-range-175370.jpg I ran into a guy who was shooting his 1977 SP1 that he bought for $260! We spoke for about half an hour on how he could take his 4MOA SP1 and tighten it up a bit. I think I may have solved his problem and made a LaRue sale as he was ecstatic after shooting the .260. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4255-175375.jpg My standard spot at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4250-175376.jpg A test of the Prime using the TranQuilo, first three on the unsuppressed gas setting (top three) and the last two (bottom shots) on the suppressed gas setting, no issues. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-suppressed-175422.jpg Prime suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-II-175399.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-1-175417.jpg FGMM Suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/FGMM-Suppressed-175428.jpg My brass was all over the place, from 1 to 5 o'clock. My last range trip everything was at 1 o'clock. Maybe the SCS needs some tuning or I need a heavier spring? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4243-175378.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4244-175377.jpg My groups started to open up at the end of the day. I thought I was doing my part, but maybe not. I'm going to tear the rifle down and re-torque the barrel, as well as take a close look at the gas system. I didn't even measure these they suck so badly. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4264-175433.jpg Lastly, I'm thinking a lot more dry fire is prescribed. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/whoiswinking2-zpsedadc391-175369.gif View Quote I remember some years ago Wes Grant (MSTN) tried to run a SCS on his predatobr or OBR and it messed with the accuracy bad. I'm not sure why a simple spring would cause issues, but that was his finding. I would throw in the old spring g setup and test the PRS again. |
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Hey defender, sorry to hear about your range trip. I remember some years ago Wes Grant (MSTN) tried to run a SCS on his predatobr or OBR and it messed with the accuracy bad. I'm not sure why a simple spring would cause issues, but that was his finding. I would throw in the old spring g setup and test the PRS again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
I made a quick trip to the range today to test the Magpul PRS and the JP Enterprises Silent Capture System. I'm happy to report each worked flawlessly and the JP SCS ran fine with the recommended spring, I didn't have to try either of the heavier resistance springs for the rifle to cycle. The 2014 Tacoma hit a milestone just as I parked at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Tacoma-hits-6000-at-the-range-175370.jpg I ran into a guy who was shooting his 1977 SP1 that he bought for $260! We spoke for about half an hour on how he could take his 4MOA SP1 and tighten it up a bit. I think I may have solved his problem and made a LaRue sale as he was ecstatic after shooting the .260. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4255-175375.jpg My standard spot at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4250-175376.jpg A test of the Prime using the TranQuilo, first three on the unsuppressed gas setting (top three) and the last two (bottom shots) on the suppressed gas setting, no issues. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-suppressed-175422.jpg Prime suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-II-175399.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-1-175417.jpg FGMM Suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/FGMM-Suppressed-175428.jpg My brass was all over the place, from 1 to 5 o'clock. My last range trip everything was at 1 o'clock. Maybe the SCS needs some tuning or I need a heavier spring? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4243-175378.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4244-175377.jpg My groups started to open up at the end of the day. I thought I was doing my part, but maybe not. I'm going to tear the rifle down and re-torque the barrel, as well as take a close look at the gas system. I didn't even measure these they suck so badly. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4264-175433.jpg Lastly, I'm thinking a lot more dry fire is prescribed. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/whoiswinking2-zpsedadc391-175369.gif I remember some years ago Wes Grant (MSTN) tried to run a SCS on his predatobr or OBR and it messed with the accuracy bad. I'm not sure why a simple spring would cause issues, but that was his finding. I would throw in the old spring g setup and test the PRS again. ETA - Just ordered two additional AR10 rifle buffers and some tungsten weights so I can roll my own! |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I made a quick trip to the range today to test the Magpul PRS and the JP Enterprises Silent Capture System. I'm happy to report each worked flawlessly and the JP SCS ran fine with the recommended spring, I didn't have to try either of the heavier resistance springs for the rifle to cycle. The 2014 Tacoma hit a milestone just as I parked at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Tacoma-hits-6000-at-the-range-175370.jpg I ran into a guy who was shooting his 1977 SP1 that he bought for $260! We spoke for about half an hour on how he could take his 4MOA SP1 and tighten it up a bit. I think I may have solved his problem and made a LaRue sale as he was ecstatic after shooting the .260. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4255-175375.jpg My standard spot at the range: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4250-175376.jpg A test of the Prime using the TranQuilo, first three on the unsuppressed gas setting (top three) and the last two (bottom shots) on the suppressed gas setting, no issues. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-suppressed-175422.jpg Prime suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-II-175399.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/Prime-Suppressed-1-175417.jpg FGMM Suppressed: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/FGMM-Suppressed-175428.jpg My brass was all over the place, from 1 to 5 o'clock. My last range trip everything was at 1 o'clock. Maybe the SCS needs some tuning or I need a heavier spring? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4243-175378.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4244-175377.jpg My groups started to open up at the end of the day. I thought I was doing my part, but maybe not. I'm going to tear the rifle down and re-torque the barrel, as well as take a close look at the gas system. I didn't even measure these they suck so badly. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG-4264-175433.jpg Lastly, I'm thinking a lot more dry fire is prescribed. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/whoiswinking2-zpsedadc391-175369.gif View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Yeah, I was thinking the same as the only variable was the JP SCS. I had all the springs with me, but it will just have to wait for the next range trip. The barrel has another 50rds through it, so it should have sped up by now too. ETA - Just ordered two additional AR10 rifle buffers and some tungsten weights so I can roll my own! View Quote Or that you just have not checked yet? |
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Originally Posted By jeep450:
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Yes it was! A consistent 2900fps out of a gasser with a SD of 12.5fps! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mettee:
That was cool. $70, for 50 bullets View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By mettee:
I do think they would be fun to try out...no doubt they work well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I was reading a bit about digital calipers and the set of General's I use did not fare well in a head-to-head review. So, I decided to order an upgrade (yes, I'm bored again). I understand these iGaging's aren't Mitutoyos, but they were top rated for a $40 set of digital calipers. I also ordered a set of 1-2-3 blocks to measure against. Everything is made in China these days, well, except the Mitutoyos: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/DSC-0336-1-176747.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/DSC-0337-176744.jpg Some head-to-head measurements on a cleaned block: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/DSC-0339-176746.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/DSC-0338-176745.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/DSC-0340-176742.jpg View Quote |
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I went with this one.
Mitutoyo 500-196-30CAL Absolute Advanced Onsite Sensor Very sold feeling and built. Definitely accurate. Hoping to get out to the range on Saturday and shoot my hand loads. |
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Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
I went with this one. Mitutoyo 500-196-30CAL Absolute Advanced Onsite Sensor Very sold feeling and built. Definitely accurate. Hoping to get out to the range on Saturday and shoot my hand loads. View Quote ETA - I don't think I can get back to the range with the .260 this weekend; I have a steel challenge Saturday and need Sunday for family time. |
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I think the Hornady 130gr ELD-M is going to change things for the .260 Rem, as we now have affordable, quality ammo with a good long range bullet, which also expands well and retains weight for hunting.
It isn't so heavy that it will run gas guns as hard as a 140gr too. |
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
I think the Hornady 130gr ELD-M is going to change things for the .260 Rem, as we now have affordable, quality ammo with a good long range bullet, which also expands well and retains weight for hunting. It isn't so heavy that it will run gas guns as hard as a 140gr too. View Quote |
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Hey D what bullet is the Prime using?
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Originally Posted By mettee:
Hey D what bullet is the Prime using? View Quote ETA - For folks that may not know, the Prime is RUAG ammo. RUAG make RWS and Norma so even though the head stamp says Prime, it's Norma. ETA II - Norma Golden Target |
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D, so you're ditching the JP SC setup?
How on earth does the buffer system affect accuracy? |
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