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7/19/2013 7:04:32 AM EDT
How often do you guys use your forward assists?

I ask because I was shooting with a friend the other day, and when his gun didn't go into battery fully I told him to tap the forward assist. He had no idea what I was talking about, and after showing him he was amazed that it even had a use. While I've never used it on my gun, I was aware of it's purpose and was surprised that he wasn't. This made me curious on if this was a commonly used feature.

Matt
7/19/2013 7:09:24 AM EDT
[#1]
I never use mine, but I keep the rifle clean and lubed. What I can't comprehend is how you can own a rifle and not understand everything about it..
7/19/2013 7:13:26 AM EDT
[#2]
I like to pound in bad reloads in mine



The fact is if a round wont chamber normally, then you dont need to pound it in there.



IBthe ninjas that like to chamber quietly and only can do so with a F/A
7/19/2013 7:26:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Ninja here!





I chose the VLTOR-MUR upper with forward assist for a rifle I hunt with (they make one without it.)  While I appreciate the look of a slab-side, being able to ease the bolt shut, then use the FA to quietly complete the lockup is a plus.
I've never had to use it in my fighting carbines.  During practice / Training, that is...


 
7/19/2013 7:29:10 AM EDT
[#4]


The one time I used mine, I firmly crimped a blown primer onto a bolt lug.

Lesson learned.

7/19/2013 7:41:29 AM EDT
[#5]
On occassion, to make sure the bolt fully closed when riding it forward, could use the bolt cut-out, but I don't. Have used it once or twice when things were dry or fouled, never had a problem as a result, but then the BCG has always been far enough forward that the hammer had dropped already so it didn't actually do any good.
7/19/2013 7:58:22 AM EDT
[#6]
I use it during function checks.  That's it.
7/19/2013 8:45:27 AM EDT
[#7]
I HAVE used it.  Quietly loading while hunting, etc.

It is simply not a good idea to use it for its supposedly intended purpose, however.  As others have noted, if the round won't chamber during firing and normal loading sequence then forcing it is likely to partially chamber it and stick it good without actually and fully chambering it.  Thus, you then have a tied up rifle.

Before I knew anything about the AR system I thought the whole disconnected operating rod thing was a stupid design.  

But subsequently, it is pretty obvious it is not the disadvantage it seems.  I mean, how many times did I ever use the bolt handle on my M1's to FORCE a round home into the chamber?
7/19/2013 8:51:46 AM EDT
[#8]
I had to use mine this week for the first in 25 years. The bolt was jammed out of battery. Had to pound the shit to get into battery so I could remove the upper and lower. When I separated the upper the bolt was jammed home. Had used a wood bench to bang the charging handle to get the bolt out of the upper. I blowned a primer it must of got wedged in the workings. If I did not have forward assist my range day would been over
7/19/2013 9:07:02 AM EDT
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I never use mine, but I keep the rifle clean and lubed. What I can't comprehend is how you can own a rifle and not understand everything about it..
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This was what shocked me...
7/19/2013 9:27:01 AM EDT
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This was what shocked me...
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I never use mine, but I keep the rifle clean and lubed. What I can't comprehend is how you can own a rifle and not understand everything about it..



This was what shocked me...


Why is this shocking?

I guess I can't say I know for sure that MOST guys don't know squat about their guns, but a goodly percentage don't.

It is pathetic, but then, how many guys change the oil in their own car these days...
7/19/2013 9:34:16 AM EDT
[#11]
I use mine when riding the bolt, an old habit from operating in the dark & the occasional function check
If your asking do you need it ?? for a std gas sys = yes
for a piston drive I never fired one = can't answer
7/19/2013 9:37:19 AM EDT
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Why is this shocking?

I guess I can't say I know for sure that MOST guys don't know squat about their guns, but a goodly percentage don't.

It is pathetic, but then, how many guys change the oil in their own car these days...
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I never use mine, but I keep the rifle clean and lubed. What I can't comprehend is how you can own a rifle and not understand everything about it..



This was what shocked me...


Why is this shocking?

I guess I can't say I know for sure that MOST guys don't know squat about their guns, but a goodly percentage don't.

It is pathetic, but then, how many guys change the oil in their own car these days...


Thx EVR
I wanted to say that really bad but didn't
7/19/2013 9:42:56 AM EDT
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Does anyone use the Search Function

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/608617_How_many_of_you_have_ever_had_to_use_yor_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/606471_To_forward_assist_or_not_to_forward_assist__That_is_the_question_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/606151_Forward_Assist_Question___.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/597535_Forward_assist_or_not_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/579798_Forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/577087_Do_I_Need_a_Forward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/575300_Forhttp://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/577087_Do_I_Need_a_Forward_Assist.htmlward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/568537_When_was_the_Forward_assist_introduced_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/564450_Forward_Assist_question__Total_rookie_here___.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/557966_Forward_Assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/555437_Forward_Assist_question_to_all___Now_with_Poll.html







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No, pretty much no.

If we did, we'd have ten sticky's and we could shut down the interactive forum entirely.
7/19/2013 9:44:16 AM EDT
[#15]
I dont think I have tapped on one since practicing SPORTS in basic training
7/19/2013 10:18:11 AM EDT
[#16]
I use mine on a regular basis.
I do not use it to chamber defective ammo.
I ride the CH a lot; my broken in ARs usually chamber the round without any assistance from the FA.
After dark I always use the FA to be sure.
7/19/2013 11:32:12 AM EDT
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I had to use mine this week for the first in 25 years. The bolt was jammed out of battery. Had to pound the shit to get into battery so I could remove the upper and lower. When I separated the upper the bolt was jammed home. Had used a wood bench to bang the charging handle to get the bolt out of the upper. I blowned a primer it must of got wedged in the workings. If I did not have forward assist my range day would been over
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The front lug pin wouldn't remove either?
7/19/2013 12:03:08 PM EDT
[#18]
I use mine in the jungles of vietNAM when my Matel16 would jam up from all the fouling, mud, and charlie blood in the action.  Thank God I had my forward assist.

I am only commenting now to get my post count up as this topic has been and the next person who brings it up should be just saying.......
7/19/2013 12:41:19 PM EDT
[#19]
the forward assist came into creation with one goal in mind that in 40-50 years a different member on arfcom would ask about it every 3-5 days with out hesitation for all eternity.
7/19/2013 1:00:54 PM EDT
[#20]
What's a forward assist?
7/19/2013 2:35:32 PM EDT
[#21]
brass check, release charging handle, slap forward assist to make sure bolt is seated
7/19/2013 2:48:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Never have used it and don't think I'll ever have a need to either.   I like to think I have put some rnds down range.
7/19/2013 2:50:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Only use the FA when slowly easing the BCG forward.



Don't use the FA if it won't go into battery during normal operations.
7/19/2013 3:03:04 PM EDT
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This, especially in low light to ensure the bolt is forward in battery.  So... Rarely.  I would never use it to jam a round into the chamber unless it  was a matter of certain death v. possibly being maimed.
7/19/2013 4:27:31 PM EDT
[#26]
Here's my favorite video of someone making love to the forward assist.


7/19/2013 4:53:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Only after an Admin load and press check. I have never touched it other than that. In my comp carbines I use a Schuster plug.
7/19/2013 5:15:46 PM EDT
[#28]
As I read Black Rifle 1, I thought it would have been easier to go with an M3 Greas Gun bolt-finger/thumbhole.

It would allow press checks and not allow some fellow to pick up a stick and beat holy heck out of the thing in order to completely tie up the gun and reduce it to a club.

Uncle wanted the now-standard thing, but I still think the bolthole would have been a better idea.
7/19/2013 5:45:10 PM EDT
[#29]
SHIT!

I guess the previous linked threads weren't enough, here are MORE of the SAME arguments in EVERY thread. If reading all of these posts doesn't put you to sleep, NOTHING will.

And BTW, my duty Carbine does NOT have a Forward Assist!

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/555385_True_purpose_of_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548167_Do_you_need_a_forward_assist_on_an_upper.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548460_Forward_Assist_on_a_KISS_rifle_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/543488_How_many_of_you_would_like_to_see_the_forward_assist_go_away_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/540768_Upper_With_Forward_Assist_or_Without__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/535183_Forward_assist_failure.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/526220_Why_did_the_army_add_a_forward_assist_to_the_m16_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/521356_forward_assist_necessary_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/510334_Forward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/510195_Why_no_love_for_the_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/505123_Is_the_Forward_Assist_Really_Necesary.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/501891_Forward_assist_and_Dust_cover.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/489729_Forward_assist_inquiry.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/485187_When_does_one_use_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/477562_Forward_assist_worth_while__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/468373_Is_forward_assist_really_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/400821_what_exactly_is_the_forward_assist_for_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/462569_Holy_Forward_Assist_Batman_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/462260_Forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/460446_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/450330_Forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/450112_Forward_Assist_question.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/438459_forward_assist_vs__no_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/439021_Forward_Assist_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/431738_Why_Use_the_Forward_Assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/430086_So_has_anyone_ever_actually_used_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/423309_What_does_the_forward_assist_handle_do__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/409771_Forward_assist_or_no_forward_assist__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/402057_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/392870_Forward_assist_vs_no_forward_assist.html
7/19/2013 6:03:14 PM EDT
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SHIT!

I guess the previous linked threads weren't enough, here are MORE of the SAME arguments in EVERY thread. If reading all of these posts doesn't put you to sleep, NOTHING will.

And BTW, my duty Carbine does NOT have a Forward Assist!

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/555385_True_purpose_of_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548167_Do_you_need_a_forward_assist_on_an_upper.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548460_Forward_Assist_on_a_KISS_rifle_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/543488_How_many_of_you_would_like_to_see_the_forward_assist_go_away_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/540768_Upper_With_Forward_Assist_or_Without__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/535183_Forward_assist_failure.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/526220_Why_did_the_army_add_a_forward_assist_to_the_m16_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/521356_forward_assist_necessary_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/510334_Forward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/510195_Why_no_love_for_the_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/505123_Is_the_Forward_Assist_Really_Necesary.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/501891_Forward_assist_and_Dust_cover.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/489729_Forward_assist_inquiry.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/485187_When_does_one_use_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/477562_Forward_assist_worth_while__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/468373_Is_forward_assist_really_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/400821_what_exactly_is_the_forward_assist_for_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/462569_Holy_Forward_Assist_Batman_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/462260_Forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/460446_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/450330_Forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/450112_Forward_Assist_question.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/438459_forward_assist_vs__no_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/439021_Forward_Assist_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/431738_Why_Use_the_Forward_Assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/430086_So_has_anyone_ever_actually_used_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/423309_What_does_the_forward_assist_handle_do__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/409771_Forward_assist_or_no_forward_assist__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/402057_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/392870_Forward_assist_vs_no_forward_assist.html
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We need more links. I'm still not sure if I should use my forward assist to help chamber a faulty round.
7/20/2013 5:41:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Wow, judging from the read count and number of previous threads so graciously linked this must really be a popular subject.
7/21/2013 5:20:49 AM EDT
[#32]
Doesn't someone make a billet upper with a flashlight instead of the forward assist?
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