Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
BCM
User Panel

Page AR-15 » AR Discussions
AR Sponsor: bravocompany
Site Notices
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 1183
Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12.  

Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL")

Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR)

Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities.

The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle.

Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment.

The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5).  

Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle"

The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more.  

In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04.  

In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands.
View Quote

* * * * * * * * * *

The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention!

Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW.

The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution.

- Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets]

- Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis)

LOWER
Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
  • Lower: M16A1 pattern [Nodak Spud NDSA1 or 80% re-profiled/finished/engraved]
  • Trigger: Knight's 2-Stage Full Auto Match Trigger or Geissele SSF [KAC semi-auto Match or Geissele SSA/SSA-E]
  • Grip: A1, A2, ERGO Original
  • Stock: Originally issued with A1 stocks, both solid D and trapdoor E types; as A1 stocks dwindled, A2 were used; ModH rifles rebuilt with Ace SOCOM stocks
  • Small parts: Standard M16A1 parts

UPPER
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other.


Early SPR/Mod0
  • Upper: Colt, Diemaco, or Armalite marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen I carbon fiber free-float Handguard, rifle length (identified by button-head screws and one vent hole near barrel nut on lower half; no heat shields)
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR MOD Sleeve (either the PEQ version or with uneven spacing on the front  but not the full 1913 railed version)
  • FSB: PRi early folding front sight base and gas manifold, set-screw, with elevation wheel
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings, #22 Tactical Ring Cap and #22 Tactical Ring Rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40 LR, M3 turrets, Illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]
  • Bipod: Versa-Pod with A.R.M.S. #42, or a Harris with A.R.M.S. #32 (Versa-Pod far inferior to Harris)
Late Mod0
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16.
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, rifle length
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR-PEQ-2-3 Sleeve
  • FSB: PRi folding FSB, set-screw, .750 (original production had PRi's full address engraved on sight tower; those engraved with "PRi USA" are later manufacture)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
SPR/A, SPR/B, Mod1
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Knight's Armament M4 Match FF RAS, rifle length (now called the SR15/16 Match FF RAS)
  • Gas block: NSWC Crane pattern (Badger Ordnance parkerized/NSN version is correct, has open front of gas tube hole)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle or NightForce 2.5-10x24 (optionally with NightForce rings)
  • Bipod: Harris with KAC RAS bipod adapter (BRM-S, A.R.M.S. #32 could still optionally be used)

ModH, Mod "Holland"

  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Noveske 16" Recon, mid-length gas system, profiled for OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar (will require aftermarket contouring of most barrels)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, FDE, rifle length
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle Device: OPS. Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings on PRi recce rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) or LaRue LT-104 SPR mount
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]; S&B Short-Dot
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
  • Iron sights: (apparently PRI were supplied but never used)

In the Wild
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen:

Early SPR/Mod0:
Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on.

Mod1:
One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s.

ModH:
The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection.


Parts Alternatives for Clone Building
Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone.

Barrel:
Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone.

Optics & Rings:
In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings.

A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve:
The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds.

FSB:
While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves.

Suppressor, Brake/Collar:
Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes.

As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all.


* * * * * * * * * *

Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers
Bravo Company Manufacturing
High Caliber Sales
Precision Reflex Inc.


Specific Mk12 Tech
Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136
KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137
Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357
Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449
tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792


* * * * * * * * * *

As of 16 May 2024, Ron Allen is still making custom parts for his suppressors:
Originally Posted By k31user:

I still make custom stuff.
1-530-742-3248
[email protected]

RonA
View Quote

* * * * * * * * * *


Attachment Attached File

Link Posted: 5/17/2016 1:13:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
  It will only stick to mil-spec uppers and lowers
View Quote


Yup, there's your problem
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 2:23:00 PM EDT
[#2]
All this paint talk is making me miss the pinestraw already.








Link Posted: 5/17/2016 3:45:16 PM EDT
[#3]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
All this paint talk is making me miss the pinestraw already.

<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_1012_zpsfdbd6531.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_1012_zpsfdbd6531.jpg</a>

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/vw7emK" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/507/19375056759_2e453a8a96_o.jpg</a>
View Quote

My favorite paint job hands down. Hats off my man.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 4:15:09 PM EDT
[#4]
I've tried to replicate my old pine straw job...it's hard













And again on the tripod





Link Posted: 5/17/2016 4:17:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Wasn't sure if this belonged in the mk12 thread or Reece thread. Kinda neither, but kinda both. Anyways...
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 4:54:27 PM EDT
[#6]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:

  It will only stick to mil-spec uppers and lowers
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
So just FYI Brownells Alumahyde 2 is roughly as durable as spray paint. Everything scrapes it off.

http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/81A7105C-67D0-4722-AB77-BAC61643105B.jpg</a>" />


Did you prep the surface before spraying and let it fully cure? If I remember right the longer Aluma-Hyde cures the harder it gets



I did. Degreased everything, then rubbing alcohol. Sprayed multiple light coats, let it set, then baked at 175 for 2 hours. Then set for several days in garage in Texas spring heat (80-85 12 hours a day). It's been 9 days for the rifle and less for the accessories but long enough to harden. It doesn't scratch with a fingernail but the lower has had nicks and dings from hitting the workbench and inserting mags.


Sounds like you did everything correctly.  Huh I would of thought that it would of been tougher than that

  It will only stick to mil-spec uppers and lowers


That sucks, cuz I like the gun the way it is and won't be changing them
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 4:56:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Wasn't sure if this belonged in the mk12 thread or Reece thread. Kinda neither, but kinda both. Anyways...
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/20160517_123418_zpsq7njh57l.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/20160517_123418_zpsq7njh57l.jpg</a>
View Quote



That's sexy
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 5:03:59 PM EDT
[#8]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:

  It will only stick to mil-spec uppers and lowers
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
So just FYI Brownells Alumahyde 2 is roughly as durable as spray paint. Everything scrapes it off.

http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/81A7105C-67D0-4722-AB77-BAC61643105B.jpg</a>" />


Did you prep the surface before spraying and let it fully cure? If I remember right the longer Aluma-Hyde cures the harder it gets



I did. Degreased everything, then rubbing alcohol. Sprayed multiple light coats, let it set, then baked at 175 for 2 hours. Then set for several days in garage in Texas spring heat (80-85 12 hours a day). It's been 9 days for the rifle and less for the accessories but long enough to harden. It doesn't scratch with a fingernail but the lower has had nicks and dings from hitting the workbench and inserting mags.


Sounds like you did everything correctly.  Huh I would of thought that it would of been tougher than that

  It will only stick to mil-spec uppers and lowers


Oh shit shots fired  
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 6:18:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 6:20:39 PM EDT
[#10]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.



These were painted about 8 months apart.





 
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:11:36 PM EDT
[#11]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By davekeller:
Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…
View Quote


Good man!
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:18:22 PM EDT
[#12]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By davekeller:


Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…
View Quote




 
Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:23:44 PM EDT
[#13]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Outrider:

  Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Outrider:
Originally Posted By davekeller:
Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…

  Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.


Ha nice! I plan on doing a Mod 0 build with the PRI upper. I'll start with the upper and run it off of my DDMK18 lower for now since I can't have an upper sitting around without shooting it, so I can start putting that lower together over time. I'm on the fence for getting a MK4 or the NightForce 2.5-10x24. I do like the way the MK4 looks on the rifle compared to the NF but that glass is pretty slick.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:31:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By davekeller:


Ha nice! I plan on doing a Mod 0 build with the PRI upper. I'll start with the upper and run it off of my DDMK18 lower for now since I can't have an upper sitting around without shooting it, so I can start putting that lower together over time. I'm on the fence for getting a MK4 or the NightForce 2.5-10x24. I do like the way the MK4 looks on the rifle compared to the NF but that glass is pretty slick.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By davekeller:
Originally Posted By Outrider:
Originally Posted By davekeller:
Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…

  Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.


Ha nice! I plan on doing a Mod 0 build with the PRI upper. I'll start with the upper and run it off of my DDMK18 lower for now since I can't have an upper sitting around without shooting it, so I can start putting that lower together over time. I'm on the fence for getting a MK4 or the NightForce 2.5-10x24. I do like the way the MK4 looks on the rifle compared to the NF but that glass is pretty slick.


MK 4 is the only correct glass and since you're going to have a pretty sweet mod 0, got for the luppy!
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:46:16 PM EDT
[#15]


Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Outrider:
  Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.


View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Outrider:





Originally Posted By davekeller:


Well damn, thanks to this thread I have now ordered an AEM5 suppressor and a Brownells BRN-16A1 lower. It has begun, thanks…



  Good start. This thread cost me both of those items and I don't even have a MK12.









I was planning on using my M4 Carbine LE lower, but if the Brownells BRN-16A1 is correct I will go ahead and pick one up - assuming it will work with an Cold SP63528 M4 upper?  The Description seems to indicate so.  
















 
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:52:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 

I can't get enough of that paint. It looks awesome on everything.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 7:54:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg] [#17]
Does anyone know if the 16" BA SPR barrel BABL223017P is contoured for the ops collar and brake? I want to use that barrel for the MOD-H. The description doesn't say. I assume SPR means it is but I need to be sure.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 8:07:15 PM EDT
[#18]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 


Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 8:14:51 PM EDT
[#19]

Link Posted: 5/17/2016 8:17:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman] [#20]


Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??


View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Johnson184:





Originally Posted By secretwheelman:




I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.





These were painted about 8 months apart.


<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>


 






Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??


I'll sit down and write something just for you guys.





Also, it was dark by the time UPS got here, so here's a shitty-pictured update from the bench.








The SOCOM is surprisingly solid. All I need know is another clear day to sling some paint, and an ATLAS. (If anyone has one they don't need, let me know)





 
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 8:20:16 PM EDT
[#21]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:



I'll sit down and write something just for you guys.



Also, it was dark by the time UPS got here, so here's a shitty-pictured update from the bench.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/26987745262_f2e31b3e23_o.jpg



The SOCOM is surprisingly solid. All I need know is another clear day to sling some paint, and an ATLAS. (If anyone has one they don't need, let me know)

 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:



Originally Posted By Johnson184:


Originally Posted By secretwheelman:


I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.



These were painted about 8 months apart.

<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>

 




Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??

I'll sit down and write something just for you guys.



Also, it was dark by the time UPS got here, so here's a shitty-pictured update from the bench.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/26987745262_f2e31b3e23_o.jpg



The SOCOM is surprisingly solid. All I need know is another clear day to sling some paint, and an ATLAS. (If anyone has one they don't need, let me know)

 




 
Looks great!
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 9:01:08 PM EDT
[#22]
So, if, I have a Leupold mark 4 2.5-8X36 illuminated scope with TMR, m2 turrets, Will someone trade me straight for early mod 0 parts? (fsb, tube and arms rail) or maybe a set of gen3 mod 0 parts with correct arms #38.
and picture thread
" />
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 9:02:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anyone know if the 16" BA SPR barrel BABL223017P is contoured for the ops collar and brake? I want to use that barrel for the MOD-H. The description doesn't say. I assume SPR means it is but I need to be sure.
View Quote

Nope... only the 16" stainless gov profile with ops contour is ready for collar.
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 9:09:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
I've tried to replicate my old pine straw job...it's hard

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/Guns/101_0026.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/101_0026.jpg</a>


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/Guns/CB14DCC7-7398-4515-83E9-18E2BA96632E_zpsq3pwlzdi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/CB14DCC7-7398-4515-83E9-18E2BA96632E_zpsq3pwlzdi.jpg</a>


And again on the tripod


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/Guns/20151116_123428_zpsph2w1emx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/Guns/20151116_123428_zpsph2w1emx.jpg</a>
View Quote


Hey Dan, care to share the details on your tripod and hawg/pig saddle set up?
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 9:22:11 PM EDT
[#25]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ShaneWang:


So, if, I have a Leupold mark 4 2.5-8X36 illuminated scope with TMR, m2 turrets, Will someone trade me straight for early mod 0 parts? (fsb, tube and arms rail) or maybe a set of gen3 mod 0 parts with correct arms #38.

and picture thread

http://<a href=http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/falconzllx/400977593_zpstxzru8ic.jpg</a>" />
View Quote
You put up a WTB/WTT add?? That's how I got my goodies...
Link Posted: 5/17/2016 10:15:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ShaneWang:
So, if, I have a Leupold mark 4 2.5-8X36 illuminated scope with TMR, m2 turrets, Will someone trade me straight for early mod 0 parts? (fsb, tube and arms rail) or maybe a set of gen3 mod 0 parts with correct arms #38.
and picture thread
http://<a href=http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/falconzllx/400977593_zpstxzru8ic.jpg</a>" />
View Quote


I think your current setup is pretty slick.  I understand that itch though.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 12:32:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anyone know if the 16" BA SPR barrel BABL223017P is contoured for the ops collar and brake? I want to use that barrel for the MOD-H. The description doesn't say. I assume SPR means it is but I need to be sure.
View Quote


This is what you seek.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 1:34:32 AM EDT
[#28]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Johnson184:


Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 


Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??



Here's one.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_19/214547_Pinestraw_strikes_again___now_with_brief_TUTORIAL_.html
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 7:12:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: plante74] [#29]

 



Tu of Ronin Tactics
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 1:11:12 PM EDT
[#30]
ATLAS should be here next week.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 2:46:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:


This is what you seek.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Does anyone know if the 16" BA SPR barrel BABL223017P is contoured for the ops collar and brake? I want to use that barrel for the MOD-H. The description doesn't say. I assume SPR means it is but I need to be sure.


This is what you seek.


Doesn't bison armory make a 16" SPR profiled barrel with the correct ops Inc shelf?
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 4:13:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ARdvark] [#32]
Do anyone else's brake and collar have a almost bronze color to them?  Got mine from BCM, had all the paperwork and info from ops inc...but just a funny color. see below.



Link Posted: 5/18/2016 4:20:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83] [#33]




Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:





ATLAS should be here next week.
View Quote







 
The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.






ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)












 

 
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 5:02:01 PM EDT
[#34]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ARdvark:
Do anyone else's brake and collar have a almost bronze color to them?  Got mine from BCM, had all the paperwork and info from ops inc...but just a funny color. see below.

http://i.imgur.com/SYT3uRV.jpg

View Quote


Of all the 'black' parts on mine there's no less than 5 shades of funky colors that show up in photos.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 5:08:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I'll sit down and write something just for you guys.

Also, it was dark by the time UPS got here, so here's a shitty-pictured update from the bench.
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/H7PfqN" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/26987745262_f2e31b3e23_o.jpg</a>

The SOCOM is surprisingly solid. All I need know is another clear day to sling some paint, and an ATLAS. (If anyone has one they don't need, let me know)
 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I've gotten close, but it's always been slightly off.

These were painted about 8 months apart.
<a href="http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/secretwheelman/media/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/secretwheelman/100_0646_zpsad65a350.jpg</a>
 


Are there guides on how to have amazing paint jobs like this??
I'll sit down and write something just for you guys.

Also, it was dark by the time UPS got here, so here's a shitty-pictured update from the bench.
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/H7PfqN" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7555/26987745262_f2e31b3e23_o.jpg</a>

The SOCOM is surprisingly solid. All I need know is another clear day to sling some paint, and an ATLAS. (If anyone has one they don't need, let me know)
 

I would greatly appreciate a guide to your straw paint. Not only is it awesome it sticks like nobodies buisness. Citristrip wouldn't touch it. I had to scrub it pretty good.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 5:08:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb] [#36]





Link Posted: 5/18/2016 5:27:01 PM EDT
[#37]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History



Damnit, i'm not done with my mod 1 and now youre making me want a mod 0/holland
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 6:34:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History


Nice dude! Tell us about that wrap on the can. Looks like twine..
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 6:46:47 PM EDT
[#39]
The newest members to the fam, and the red headed step child up top.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 7:58:15 PM EDT
[#40]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By LowplainsWindage:


Nice dude! Tell us about that wrap on the can. Looks like twine..
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By LowplainsWindage:


Nice dude! Tell us about that wrap on the can. Looks like twine..


He watched lone survivor one too many times obviously
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:19:23 PM EDT
[#41]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:





  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.



ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)


View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:



Originally Posted By secretwheelman:

ATLAS should be here next week.


  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.



ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)


 




 
Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:22:52 PM EDT
[#42]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ARdvark:


Do anyone else's brake and collar have a almost bronze color to them?  Got mine from BCM, had all the paperwork and info from ops inc...but just a funny color. see below.



http://i.imgur.com/SYT3uRV.jpg



View Quote
Mine was really bad.







 
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:29:15 PM EDT
[#43]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
 

  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
ATLAS should be here next week.

  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.

ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)


http://i65.tinypic.com/vwwpqg.jpg
 
 

  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).

Haha, yes, it's just twine and I originally got the idea from LS. I was listening to a podcast where one of the SEAL consultants for the movie talked about it and thought I'd try it since I didn't necessarily want to paint my can. It's worked really well, it certainly does a nice job w/ camo and as an added benefit it keeps the can cool enough to the touch that I can always handle it bare handed. Since I never use my unpainted Mod 1 anymore I might still just paint the can, but for now this works great.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:32:52 PM EDT
[#44]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
 

  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
ATLAS should be here next week.

  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.

ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)


http://i65.tinypic.com/vwwpqg.jpg
 
 

  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).

Atlas on a Holland is GTG IMO. I like to think of the Holland as the "Mk 12 modernized".


Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:46:45 PM EDT
[#45]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:





Atlas on a Holland is GTG IMO. I like to think of the Holland as the "Mk 12 modernized".



http://i.imgur.com/SxZ3Cbq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zr2wAZ1.jpg
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:



Originally Posted By 78Staff:


Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:


Originally Posted By secretwheelman:

ATLAS should be here next week.


  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.



ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)





http://i65.tinypic.com/vwwpqg.jpg

 
 



  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).



Atlas on a Holland is GTG IMO. I like to think of the Holland as the "Mk 12 modernized".



http://i.imgur.com/SxZ3Cbq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zr2wAZ1.jpg
It's what I'm currently waiting on. However, this thing is quite handy sans bipod.







 
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 8:51:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5] [#46]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
It's what I'm currently waiting on. However, this thing is quite handy sans bipod.

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/HbTULc" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/27033920651_e3013bdf14_o.jpg</a>
 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
ATLAS should be here next week.

  The BT-10 is a wonderful thing.

ARdvark....mine has a painted look to it =)


http://i65.tinypic.com/vwwpqg.jpg
 
 

  Love my Atlas's as well, replaced all my Harris's with them, but now need a Harris for the Mod1 build lol.  I though an Atlas on a MK12 was faux-pas, do the purists hassle you :).

Atlas on a Holland is GTG IMO. I like to think of the Holland as the "Mk 12 modernized".

http://i.imgur.com/SxZ3Cbq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zr2wAZ1.jpg
It's what I'm currently waiting on. However, this thing is quite handy sans bipod.

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/HbTULc" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/27033920651_e3013bdf14_o.jpg</a>
 


The bi-pod ads a lot of weight.  I just finished getting mine mocked up sans optic.  Had the Harris on it and thought "damn this is heavier than expected".  I pulled it off and was amazed at how much better it felt.  I think I'll go without.

Any one know the weights of the Harris v. Atlas?  They both look to be around 13oz.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 9:19:36 PM EDT
[#47]
So I found a #38 spr peq 2-3 and I bought it. Pretty sure next couple days will be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow.
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 9:32:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
The newest members to the fam, and the red headed step child up top.
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/20160518_124403_zpsdhegvzsk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/20160518_124403_zpsdhegvzsk.jpg</a>
View Quote




Congrats! More pics!!
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 9:34:16 PM EDT
[#49]

Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By outlaw7:


The newest members to the fam, and the red headed step child up top.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/20160518_124403_zpsdhegvzsk.jpg
View Quote
I like redheads.



You can send her to me.



 
Link Posted: 5/18/2016 9:41:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I like redheads.

You can send her to me.
 
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
The newest members to the fam, and the red headed step child up top.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/20160518_124403_zpsdhegvzsk.jpg
I like redheads.

You can send her to me.
 

I just got a similar pm from a fella. Told him I'd put him on the list. Bad thing for him, he's #6 on it. Good thing for you, you are #1.
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 1183
Page AR-15 » AR Discussions
AR Sponsor: bravocompany
Close Join Our Mail List to Stay Up To Date! Win a FREE Membership!

Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!

You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.


By signing up you agree to our User Agreement. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win.
Top Top