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Posted: 9/22/2016 12:24:32 AM EDT
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Got mine today, can't wait to mount it up.
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Posted: 9/22/2016 10:06:20 AM EDT
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What mount does everyone suggest? LT-139? The LT104 should work. With a 4" eye relief you may want the optic further from your eye LT-104 works well with most scopes if you do not shoot NTCH. The issue with typical 3.5"- 4" eye relief is the length of the eyepiece and where the turrets are locsted on the msin tube. I'll use my Leupold scope as an example. I have it in an LT-104. Note that the rear of the eyepiece is about 2" ahead of the rear of the charge handle. I shoot with my nose about 1" behinf the charge handle. Eye relief is perfect. But, also note that I have the scope as far forward in the rings as it can go. The front edge of the power ring on the eyepiece is right against, but not quite touching the ring. The mount is also as far forward as it can go while being entirely on the upper. This works great for me. If your scope has a longer or shorter eyepiece or the turrets are at a different position on the main tube, your adjustment range may differ. The LT-104 works well for most scopes. 
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Posted: 9/22/2016 1:06:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2016 2:25:45 PM EDT
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I had a extra Leupold Mark 2 mount that wasn't attached to anything. For now I have the scope mounted in it, and threw it on my 11.5" SBR. I'm still debating if I want to keep it on here or move it over to my CZ Bren. I'll probably end up putting it into an Aero mount. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg</a> Haven't seen grey Lancers... |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 5:49:54 PM EDT
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I had a extra Leupold Mark 2 mount that wasn't attached to anything. For now I have the scope mounted in it, and threw it on my 11.5" SBR. I'm still debating if I want to keep it on here or move it over to my CZ Bren. I'll probably end up putting it into an Aero mount. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg</a> Haven't seen grey Lancers... I duracoated those when I did the gun. |
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Posted: 9/22/2016 8:01:34 PM EDT
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I had a extra Leupold Mark 2 mount that wasn't attached to anything. For now I have the scope mounted in it, and threw it on my 11.5" SBR. I'm still debating if I want to keep it on here or move it over to my CZ Bren. I'll probably end up putting it into an Aero mount. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsh0qlm9dk.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsyfv4b73m.jpeg</a> Haven't seen grey Lancers... I duracoated those when I did the gun. Looks great! |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 9:47:02 AM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)?
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Posted: 10/15/2016 4:41:39 PM EDT
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Where did you find this for $479?
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My P4Xi with lever arrived a few days ago. This is my first 1x-4x on an AR. All my previous AR optics have been red dots or fixed magnification (T1/PROs and ACOG) I am replacing a 2MOA T1. I wanted a more "general purpose" setup that allowed use like a T1 at close range but also afforded me some additional data on targets at distance. I have this mounted in an Aero Extended. After having looked at PA 1-6, Strike Eagles, PST 1-4, Razor 1-6, Vx-6 … I would say the P4Xi checks every box on my initial criteria except the 6x. HOWEVER, after setting it up I am thinking a use of just 1x or 6x is too broad of a range for my purposes. The 1x-4x quick throw is easy to manage visually … it is like going quickly from a T1 to an ACOG and back. If there are any negatives at this point it would be weight as compared to a T1 or ACOG obviously. But it is comparable to other LPVs I was considering (and much less than some) and is built to last. I expect to be very happy. At $479 with the lever shipped it was an outstanding purchase. I will be ordering up another shortly. Adding: Not mine but I agree with the reviewer. Youtube P4Xi Range report |
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Posted: 10/15/2016 7:28:13 PM EDT
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I really dig my Steiner...but I like my T1 a lot more.
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Posted: 10/15/2016 10:44:21 PM EDT
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I really dig my Steiner...but I like my T1 a lot more. What specifically? Weight? Simplicity? No eye relief? |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:35:36 AM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:49:37 AM EDT
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I really dig my Steiner...but I like my T1 a lot more. What specifically? Weight? Simplicity? No eye relief? My optics experience is derived mostly from RDS-types, ACOGs, a borrowed Leupold Patrol, and a well used Weaver V3. So moving into the Steiner, I was surprised to find how much the weight of the optic and mount (ADM Scout) threw off the balance of my middy (comparatively). Also, I noticed a lot of shooters compliment the Steiner for having a forgiving eye box, but I don't find that to be the case (at 4x). More time behind it may change my mind, though. It's a good optic, and I will keep mine. But it will find a home on a 18in gun that I'm building for Camp Perry (gotta love the new rules lol). |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 4:07:59 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero With a 100 yard zero Awesome thank you |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 6:13:48 PM EDT
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Well, I've ordered one. Now, I'll be needing a scope. Colt LE6920; and I shoot with my eye about 3 1/2 inches from rear sights. Considering Bobro std or extended; Larue LT104 or LT139. Or just getting Aero std or extended.
I'm not stupid with money, but wouldn't mind paying more for something that much better. QD is appealing, though it wouldn't be because I'm in a firefight of some sort with a broken scope (until and unless that bitch is elected). 
There are only about 1,000 of these threads, and all ultimately confuse my decision making. But this post is about me. So, there. But since this thread isn't about me, I'll post up some pics when I get it mounted. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:50:28 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero With a 100 yard zero Awesome thank you I'm actually kinda surprised.... I like the 50 yard zero. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:56:55 PM EDT
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I just posted up my Leupold for sale, to buy a couple more of these.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:52:24 AM EDT
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I'm actually kinda surprised.... I like the 50 yard zero. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero With a 100 yard zero Awesome thank you I'm actually kinda surprised.... I like the 50 yard zero. I did some additional research on the 50 vs the 100 yard zero and I think I'm going to try the 100 yard. I plan on deer hunting with this combo next month and it seems like you get less +/- from zero within 150 yards with the 100 yard vice 50 yard sight in. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:55:25 AM EDT
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Well, I've ordered one. Now, I'll be needing a scope. Colt LE6920; and I shoot with my eye about 3 1/2 inches from rear sights. Considering Bobro std or extended; Larue LT104 or LT139. Or just getting Aero std or extended. I'm not stupid with money, but wouldn't mind paying more for something that much better. QD is appealing, though it wouldn't be because I'm in a firefight of some sort with a broken scope (until and unless that bitch is elected).
There are only about 1,000 of these threads, and all ultimately confuse my decision making. But this post is about me. So, there. But since this thread isn't about me, I'll post up some pics when I get it mounted. I forget which LaRue I have my PA 1-6x in, but I like it and the majority of my optics are in one type of LaRue mount or another. To try something different I got an ADM Recon mount for my Steiner and so far I really like it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 1:33:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for that information. What app is that and how do you like it. Was looking to use it for my Steiner as well as my velocity 600 and 1000 reticles on my nigh force optics.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 1:34:57 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero http://i67.tinypic.com/2vbo1uw.png With a 100 yard zero http://i66.tinypic.com/28je17c.png Thanks what app is this. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 3:58:36 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero http://i67.tinypic.com/2vbo1uw.png With a 100 yard zero http://i66.tinypic.com/28je17c.png Thanks what app is this. StrelokPro |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 5:55:45 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero http://i67.tinypic.com/2vbo1uw.png With a 100 yard zero http://i66.tinypic.com/28je17c.png Thanks what app is this. StrelokPro Thanks |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 6:26:52 PM EDT
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watchngars,
It's at Botach for that. Not a reputable vendor but many have good luck. https://www.botach.com/steiner-p4xi-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-1-4x-24mm-illuminated-reticle-w-throw-lever/ |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 7:30:20 PM EDT
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Thanks; purchased with fingers crossed. (was hard to type)
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:55:23 PM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero http://i67.tinypic.com/2vbo1uw.png With a 100 yard zero http://i66.tinypic.com/28je17c.png Thanks what app is this. StrelokPro How do you set it so you can see the turrets like that?, |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:25:04 PM EDT
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Thanks; purchased with fingers crossed. (was hard to type) Lol good luck, I did also. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 12:28:07 AM EDT
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Anyone have luck with Botach on these?
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:21:52 AM EDT
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Anyone have luck with Botach on these? That's where I got mine from. It seems that since they've moved to Nevada, everything is shipping faster or they got a new system in place. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 3:17:30 AM EDT
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Anyone running this on a 300 Blackout? If so, how do the reticle subtensions line up with bullet drop for supers (I'm looking specifically at the 110 gr Barnes Vor-TX rounds)? With a 50-yard zero http://i67.tinypic.com/2vbo1uw.png With a 100 yard zero http://i66.tinypic.com/28je17c.png Thanks what app is this. StrelokPro How do you set it so you can see the turrets like that?, Should auto do it. Mine does |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 3:39:03 AM EDT
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Are you on an Apple device? Mine looks way more zoomed in and only shows the top turret. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:48:37 AM EDT
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Are you on an Apple device? Mine looks way more zoomed in and only shows the top turret. I have an Iphone, and it looks just like the pic on my app. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:17:31 AM EDT
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Are you on an Apple device? Mine looks way more zoomed in and only shows the top turret. I have an Iphone, and it looks just like the pic on my app. I took this screenshot on my iPad, and there are a number of differences between that and my iPhone. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 2:10:23 PM EDT
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Are you on an Apple device? Mine looks way more zoomed in and only shows the top turret. I have an Iphone, and it looks just like the pic on my app. I took this screenshot on my iPad, and there are a number of differences between that and my iPhone. Okay I meant to add I'm on an Android. That may be the difference. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Which Larue mount would you guys recommend?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:51:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:21:08 PM EDT
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Are these German glass?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:41:57 PM EDT
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Which Larue mount would you guys recommend? If you run a dbal or like me an x300 on the 12 o'clock rail I'd go with the Larue LT135. Gives me the clearance I need and a more natural heads up cheek weld. It's basically the same head position as I shoot with my lower 1/3 height RDS which is another benefit for me. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 12:23:36 AM EDT
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Are these German glass? Yes Schott glass. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:03:26 PM EDT
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So has anyone had or heard of any bad experiences with these yet? I know they're newer to the market. Ive had mine to the range a few times, probably 100-150 rounds with no problem. Some off the bench and did some drills with it, zero issues (though I didn't really put it thru too much abuse).
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Posted: 10/24/2016 10:33:20 AM EDT
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German glass
Who knows where the rest of the components are made USA assembled Anybody ever get info from Steiner regarding erector assy, etc..... Any plastic guts on these? The "mushy" adjustment comments make me nervous, and I'm wondering if Steiner cut costs by using cheaper components in the turrets, erector assy, etc... Otherwise, I don't see how this scope would be so much cheaper than the old Steiner Military 1-4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/24/2016 2:59:02 PM EDT
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Just mounted the Steiner P4Xi --- VERY impressed with the clarity of the glass as well as the nearly true 1x on the lowest setting. Thankfully bought on sale through Botach with the throw lever which is clearly needed. It's very hard to turn the magnification even with the throw lever so hoping this will lighten up over time.
PROS: German Schott Glass (Clarity is amazing, edge to edge) Illumination daylight visible, configurable for small target shooting as well as making large 4 MOA red dot for both eyes open 1x to mimic red dot Included scope throw lever makes adjusting the mag range possible while shooting offhand/standing (would be too stiff without lever) Reticle is clean/uncluttered CONS: Turrets are mushy, but if this is $1,000 less than tactical version I understand 'something has gotta give' (I plan to set my zero, cap the turrets, then forget them) Very impressed with this optic and I'm tempted to buy another one as I'm betting these will go up in price. For under $500 I'm thrilled but YMMV |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 3:48:07 PM EDT
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Received my Steiner 4x today from Botach. I put it on a LaRue 104 mount. Any recommendations for lens caps (flip)? Steiner hasn't made these available yet.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 3:55:02 PM EDT
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I like and use the thin ones from Vortex, Size 3 and 5.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 3:55:49 PM EDT
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Just mounted the Steiner P4Xi --- VERY impressed with the clarity of the glass as well as the nearly true 1x on the lowest setting. Thankfully bought on sale through Botach with the throw lever which is clearly needed. It's very hard to turn the magnification even with the throw lever so hoping this will lighten up over time. PROS: German Schott Glass (Clarity is amazing, edge to edge) Illumination daylight visible, configurable for small target shooting as well as making large 4 MOA red dot for both eyes open 1x to mimic red dot Included scope throw lever makes adjusting the mag range possible while shooting offhand/standing (would be too stiff without lever) Reticle is clean/uncluttered CONS: Turrets are mushy, but if this is $1,000 less than tactical version I understand 'something has gotta give' (I plan to set my zero, cap the turrets, then forget them) Very impressed with this optic and I'm tempted to buy another one as I'm betting these will go up in price. For under $500 I'm thrilled but YMMV My Steiner's Windage/Elevation and illumination controls have noticeably improved with use. However, no noticeable improvement with the magnification dial. YMMV |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 4:03:58 PM EDT
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Thanks, I'll try them. Ordered.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 7:20:14 PM EDT
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What is this difference in the tactical version?
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:32:36 AM EDT
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The T5xi is made in their Germany plant with top of the line components. Some would argue that if it doesn't say "Germany" on the side, it's not really a Steiner and that it's a Burris with Steiner glass and a Steiner label on it. Both Steiner and Burris are owned by Beretta.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:10:23 AM EDT
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The T5xi is made in their Germany plant with top of the line components. Some would argue that if it doesn't say "Germany" on the side, it's not really a Steiner and that it's a Burris with Steiner glass and a Steiner label on it. Both Steiner and Burris are owned by Beretta. The P4xi is a budget optic. From everything I've read, they used good glass and cheaped out on the guts. Something has to give to get the price of that optic down so low compared to the T5xi. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The T5xi is made in their Germany plant with top of the line components. Some would argue that if it doesn't say "Germany" on the side, it's not really a Steiner and that it's a Burris with Steiner glass and a Steiner label on it. Both Steiner and Burris are owned by Beretta. The P4xi is a budget optic. From everything I've read, they used good glass and cheaped out on the guts. Something has to give to get the price of that optic down so low compared to the T5xi. Quoted:
What is this difference in the tactical version? Where did you read this? I'd like to see a source regarding the "guts". Also.... Burris builds their optics in China and the Philippines.... So how would a US optic become a "Burris"? Also... The T5xi is US made. The Military line is German. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:40:05 AM EDT
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You're right. The T5xi line is assembled in the US. And it's still got their Germany stamp on the side of that optic.
The turrets are certainly not the same. The P4xi is a budget scope compared to the T5xi line, and they definitely used cheaper components in the erector assy, turrets, etc... You can feel the difference handling the scopes. With them being sister companies owned by Beretta, my money is on Burris helping Steiner get the price down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is this difference in the tactical version? Where did you read this? I'd like to see a source regarding the "guts". Also.... Burris builds their optics in China and the Philippines.... So how would a US optic become a "Burris"? Also... The T5xi is US made. The Military line is German. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:17:43 PM EDT
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You're right. The T5xi line is assembled in the US. And it's still got their Germany stamp on the side of that optic. The turrets are certainly not the same. The P4xi is a budget scope compared to the T5xi line, and they definitely used cheaper components in the erector assy, turrets, etc... You can feel the difference handling the scopes. With them being sister companies owned by Beretta, my money is on Burris helping Steiner get the price down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You're right. The T5xi line is assembled in the US. And it's still got their Germany stamp on the side of that optic. The turrets are certainly not the same. The P4xi is a budget scope compared to the T5xi line, and they definitely used cheaper components in the erector assy, turrets, etc... You can feel the difference handling the scopes. With them being sister companies owned by Beretta, my money is on Burris helping Steiner get the price down. Quoted:
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The T5xi is made in their Germany plant with top of the line components. Some would argue that if it doesn't say "Germany" on the side, it's not really a Steiner and that it's a Burris with Steiner glass and a Steiner label on it. Both Steiner and Burris are owned by Beretta. The P4xi is a budget optic. From everything I've read, they used good glass and cheaped out on the guts. Something has to give to get the price of that optic down so low compared to the T5xi. Quoted:
What is this difference in the tactical version? Where did you read this? I'd like to see a source regarding the "guts". Also.... Burris builds their optics in China and the Philippines.... So how would a US optic become a "Burris"? Also... The T5xi is US made. The Military line is German. So now I'm confused.... Did you read this/have evidence of this or is it your theory? |
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