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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12. Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL") Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities. The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle. Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment. The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5). Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle" The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more. In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04. In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands. View Quote The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention! Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW. The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution. - Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets] - Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis) LOWER Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other. Early SPR/Mod0
ModH, Mod "Holland"
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen: Early SPR/Mod0: Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on. Mod1: One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s. ModH: The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection. Parts Alternatives for Clone Building Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone. Barrel: Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone. Optics & Rings: In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings. A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve: The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds. FSB: While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves. Suppressor, Brake/Collar: Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes. As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all. * * * * * * * * * * Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers Bravo Company Manufacturing High Caliber Sales Precision Reflex Inc. Specific Mk12 Tech Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136 KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137 Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357 Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449 tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792 Attached File |
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Been contemplating going with a more modern optic lately on this guy. Was thinking along the lines of the sniper comp mk12 but then came across the x50 Nightforce last night and that would probably be the way I went. Huge internal conflict on getting rid of the 36 s-ex, but I also hate the M1 turrets on my mk4.
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Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Been contemplating going with a more modern optic lately on this guy. Was thinking along the lines of the sniper comp mk12 but then came across the x50 Nightforce last night and that would probably be the way I went. Huge internal conflict on getting rid of the 36 s-ex, but I also hate the M1 turrets on my mk4. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181541/IMG_1129_jpeg-3166231.JPG View Quote @revottuneda4 shhhh... Just send the #36 my way |
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Originally Posted By CMCctx: @revottuneda4 shhhh... Just send the #36 my way View Quote As they say…everything has a price. But this thing was a unicorn, so it’s a tough one to let go. Somehow got a 38 then a 36 in about the span of a year. I’d like opinions on the NXS 3.5-15 if anyone has experience with them. Optics Planet has the second focal plane version for sale right now. Or would I be better off with a Leupold set up? |
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Originally Posted By revottuneda4: As they say…everything has a price. But this thing was a unicorn, so it’s a tough one to let go. Somehow got a 38 then a 36 in about the span of a year. I’d like opinions on the NXS 3.5-15 if anyone has experience with them. Optics Planet has the second focal plane version for sale right now. Or would I be better off with a Leupold set up? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Originally Posted By CMCctx: @revottuneda4 shhhh... Just send the #36 my way As they say…everything has a price. But this thing was a unicorn, so it’s a tough one to let go. Somehow got a 38 then a 36 in about the span of a year. I’d like opinions on the NXS 3.5-15 if anyone has experience with them. Optics Planet has the second focal plane version for sale right now. Or would I be better off with a Leupold set up? A few have done the NF x50. Didn’t @Shlouf do one? |
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View Quote Yeahhhhhh that’s the look right there. Looks so good with the sopmod too. What other scopes did you run and how did it compare? ETA: @Shlouf, just saw your for sale thread of the 36. I wish you luck in selling that for every penny in case I go to sell mine too lol. |
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It’s #2 behind the 2.5-10x24 for me.
I hope no one buys it, that’s why I put such a high price . I mainly want to trade it for a 38 rail for a mod0 |
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Damn, I hope one day I can afford that scope!
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Originally Posted By revottuneda4: As they say…everything has a price. But this thing was a unicorn, so it’s a tough one to let go. Somehow got a 38 then a 36 in about the span of a year. I’d like opinions on the NXS 3.5-15 if anyone has experience with them. Optics Planet has the second focal plane version for sale right now. Or would I be better off with a Leupold set up? View Quote Wish ARMS would make a run of them.. |
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I'll donate to the cause, S-EX rocks.
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-Things do not happen. Things are made to happen. -JFK
-Beware the fury of a patient man. -Thousands and thousands of laws....All for just ten commandments. -"alot" is not a word. |
What barrel would you guys recommend since CLE is out of business?
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-Things do not happen. Things are made to happen. -JFK
-Beware the fury of a patient man. -Thousands and thousands of laws....All for just ten commandments. -"alot" is not a word. |
Interestingly I had emailed CLE a week or so ago and they said they'd email me an invoice for a SAM-R barrel order. Today I get the generic reply that they aren't taking new orders.
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Lots of SEX talk going on here lately.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/IMG_20200522_074840-2880185.jpg View Quote Oh, we like S-EX pictures, dirty us up like that. |
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Originally Posted By bmmc: Interestingly I had emailed CLE a week or so ago and they said they'd email me an invoice for a SAM-R barrel order. Today I get the generic reply that they aren't taking new orders. View Quote They've stopped doing civilian orders. You can find the post on their facebook page. |
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View Quote What PRI handguard is the one in the middle using? |
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Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: So, I had a fine, clone correct MK12 Mod 1 years ago and sold it because I had no place to stretch its legs. Now I have plenty and have been itching for one but the cost of parts now have been prohibitive. Well, I picked this up from an older fella Saturday who wanted to buy a newer scope with higher magnification. For $375! It was painted, I stripped it down with citristrip and a toothbrush and to my surprise it cleaned up pretty nicely. Only a few blemishes in the anodizing that could be touched up. Not sure of the laser etching below the Leupold text, unless maybe this was a surplused optic. Suffix dates it to 2003. Then, Saturday evening one of the guys on here offered me a NIB KAC rail for a smoking deal, so here I am. I still had a front sight, scope caps, brake and collar and can sitting in a box in the closet. Ordered a barrel, rings, and gas buster so hopefully I'll get the upper slapped together by the weekend. https://imgur.com/525eGmU.jpg https://imgur.com/EJM6XbQ.jpg View Quote Nice pickup. That’s a surplus TS-30A2 that was refurbished by Leupold and updated with a new illumination housing. I can just make out the lasered out “TS-30 A2” text under the Leupold logo. Is it 2.5-8 or 3-9? |
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Originally Posted By JTM20: Nice pickup. That’s a surplus TS-30A2 that was refurbished by Leupold and updated with a new illumination housing. I can just make out the lasered out “TS-30 A2” text under the Leupold logo. Is it 2.5-8 or 3-9? View Quote 2.5-8 I can’t see it with my naked eye but now that you mention it I can see the remnants of the text in the photo. |
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Originally Posted By JTM20: Yep it’s hard to see but it’s there. Here’s a picture of a similar scope on an M38 when they were testing some alternative suppressors. Note the same box under the Leupold logo. https://i.imgur.com/uqfSIrw.jpeg View Quote That's cool. Any idea why they lasered off the TS-30 A2 markings? To identify them as a factory refurb or some other reason? |
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Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: So, I had a fine, clone correct MK12 Mod 1 years ago and sold it because I had no place to stretch its legs. Now I have plenty and have been itching for one but the cost of parts now have been prohibitive. Well, I picked this up from an older fella Saturday who wanted to buy a newer scope with higher magnification. For $375! It was painted, I stripped it down with citristrip and a toothbrush and to my surprise it cleaned up pretty nicely. Only a few blemishes in the anodizing that could be touched up. Not sure of the laser etching below the Leupold text, unless maybe this was a surplused optic. Suffix dates it to 2003. Then, Saturday evening one of the guys on here offered me a NIB KAC rail for a smoking deal, so here I am. I still had a front sight, scope caps, brake and collar and can sitting in a box in the closet. Ordered a barrel, rings, and gas buster so hopefully I'll get the upper slapped together by the weekend. https://imgur.com/525eGmU.jpg https://imgur.com/EJM6XbQ.jpg View Quote You should be reported for elder abuse. |
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Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: That's cool. Any idea why they lasered off the TS-30 A2 markings? To identify them as a factory refurb or some other reason? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: Originally Posted By JTM20: Yep it’s hard to see but it’s there. Here’s a picture of a similar scope on an M38 when they were testing some alternative suppressors. Note the same box under the Leupold logo. https://i.imgur.com/uqfSIrw.jpeg That's cool. Any idea why they lasered off the TS-30 A2 markings? To identify them as a factory refurb or some other reason? Probably so they don't look like "lost" items from the .mil. |
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Are there any cheaper scopes that at least look like they could live on a Mod 0? Unless I just get lucky, the way my work and finances are going it might be a minute before I can get an appropriate scope for my Mod ) project. It would be nice if I could shoot it this year.
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Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: So, I had a fine, clone correct MK12 Mod 1 years ago and sold it because I had no place to stretch its legs. Now I have plenty and have been itching for one but the cost of parts now have been prohibitive. Well, I picked this up from an older fella Saturday who wanted to buy a newer scope with higher magnification. For $375! View Quote I hate you! KD, congrats, that is a super find, very jelly! On another note, does anyone remember what page the MK262 ammo can stencil was on? |
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Originally Posted By Super_Trouper: So, I had a fine, clone correct MK12 Mod 1 years ago and sold it because I had no place to stretch its legs. Now I have plenty and have been itching for one but the cost of parts now have been prohibitive. Well, I picked this up from an older fella Saturday who wanted to buy a newer scope with higher magnification. For $375! It was painted, I stripped it down with citristrip and a toothbrush and to my surprise it cleaned up pretty nicely. Only a few blemishes in the anodizing that could be touched up. Not sure of the laser etching below the Leupold text, unless maybe this was a surplused optic. Suffix dates it to 2003. Then, Saturday evening one of the guys on here offered me a NIB KAC rail for a smoking deal, so here I am. I still had a front sight, scope caps, brake and collar and can sitting in a box in the closet. Ordered a barrel, rings, and gas buster so hopefully I'll get the upper slapped together by the weekend. https://imgur.com/525eGmU.jpg https://imgur.com/EJM6XbQ.jpg View Quote Attached File Last time I saw someone post a TS-30 near me, they wanted double the going rate at the time. |
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Who is currently making correct MK12 MOD1 "cutout-Foam" for Pelican-1700s cases (?).......and contact information if available.
TIA. |
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Modern Arm Resources is the only one doing it the correct way, bought one set from him, met the guy and he went to a lot of research and nailed it. Avoid at any cost Cobra foam.
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: Lots of SEX talk going on here lately.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84711/IMG_20200522_074840-2880185.jpg View Quote So many cool parts in one cropped pic. Down to the last detail. |
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With CLE gone, who else does MK12 Mod 1 barrels with Douglas blanks?
Would the PRI ones work even though they're, "designed and profiled for the Mark 12 Mod 0?" |
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Originally Posted By JimJardashian: With CLE gone, who else does MK12 Mod 1 barrels with Douglas blanks? Would the PRI ones work even though they're, "designed and profiled for the Mark 12 Mod 0?" View Quote HighCaliberSales has been doing them if you require very close to cloning requirements. The PRI does not mention cuts for the Mod 0 FSB sight, which would be the main difference, and even if it was present it would be perfectly fine with a real Mod 1 gas block. Granted I believe WOA to be a better value in general if you are spray painting to cover the stainless finish. They are even substantially marked down for the Talk Like a Pirate day sale every year. The new SOLGW precision barrels also seem to be excellent, however there is no mention of collar profiling beyond "SPR profile". Those have a very neat 5/8x24 muzzle thread, which is superior to 1/2x28 but so rarely used by anyone. The one company harping on it was the arperformancebarrels shop, but they seem to have been bought out and re-branded. |
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Leupold seems to have done this to a few legit scopes. Hurts my heart to see that.
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Looking for all versions of gasbuster charging handles.
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Originally Posted By JimJardashian: With CLE gone, who else does MK12 Mod 1 barrels with Douglas blanks? Would the PRI ones work even though they're, "designed and profiled for the Mark 12 Mod 0?" View Quote contact douglas for the barrel and adco or d wilson can profile it. The whole CLE things sucks. SAM-R barrels are pretty much gone with them. They offered all the good quality barrels and Frank has done more than a few one off type barrels for me not to mention several SAM-R barrels. I would consider them the absolute best at AR type barrels. A true loss and huge hit to the clone community for sure. There were also a ton of douglas surplus barrels that got out a few years ago. I would bet someone has one laying around. I see them used in a lot of builds. |
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Looking for all versions of gasbuster charging handles.
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Originally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: HighCaliberSales has been doing them if you require very close to cloning requirements. The PRI does not mention cuts for the Mod 0 FSB sight, which would be the main difference, and even if it was present it would be perfectly fine with a real Mod 1 gas block. Granted I believe WOA to be a better value in general if you are spray painting to cover the stainless finish. They are even substantially marked down for the Talk Like a Pirate day sale every year. The new SOLGW precision barrels also seem to be excellent, however there is no mention of collar profiling beyond "SPR profile". Those have a very neat 5/8x24 muzzle thread, which is superior to 1/2x28 but so rarely used by anyone. The one company harping on it was the arperformancebarrels shop, but they seem to have been bought out and re-branded. View Quote I reached out to HCS this morning and they have theirs in stock. Way clone correct, to include the gunkote finish. I'm just seeing if there were other Douglas options. |
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Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg: contact douglas for the barrel and adco or d wilson can profile it. The whole CLE things sucks. SAM-R barrels are pretty much gone with them. They offered all the good quality barrels and Frank has done more than a few one off type barrels for me not to mention several SAM-R barrels. I would consider them the absolute best at AR type barrels. A true loss and huge hit to the clone community for sure. There were also a ton of douglas surplus barrels that got out a few years ago. I would bet someone has one laying around. I see them used in a lot of builds. View Quote Thanks! I'll take a look. HCS was my other option. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: Wow these went up in price. View Quote $765 from Thoroughbred Armament AEM5 Knurled |
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Doubletapped on an old post.
Anyone have pics of a genuine MK262 ammo can? |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HotLead: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Wow these went up in price. $765 from Thoroughbred Armament AEM5 Knurled Yeah..but made in Utah |
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Originally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: Yeah..but made in Utah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: Originally Posted By HotLead: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Wow these went up in price. $765 from Thoroughbred Armament AEM5 Knurled Yeah..but made in Utah Doesn't matter, its still not an Ops Inc. |
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Originally Posted By HotLead: Doesn't matter, its still not an Ops Inc. View Quote Not to split hairs, but Ron has been the constant factor. From Ops to AE, and even the brains/support behind Trajectory taking these on. Sure the name on the cans is changing, but not really the cans themselves. At least not enough to matter. |
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Might be wrong but haven’t seen this ITW pic posted before. Figured I’d toss it in for discussion. PEQ16 and Gripod
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