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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12. Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL") Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities. The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle. Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment. The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5). Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle" The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more. In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04. In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands. The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention! Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW. The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution. - Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets] - Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis) LOWER Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other. Early SPR/Mod0
ModH, Mod "Holland"
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen: Early SPR/Mod0: Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on. Mod1: One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s. ModH: The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection. Parts Alternatives for Clone Building Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone. Barrel: Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone. Optics & Rings: In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings. A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve: The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds. FSB: While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves. Suppressor, Brake/Collar: Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes. As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all. * * * * * * * * * * Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers Bravo Company Manufacturing High Caliber Sales Precision Reflex Inc. Specific Mk12 Tech Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136 KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137 Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357 Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449 tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:32:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Regulatori]
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Oh yeah, if anyone has any of these parts laying around, PM me and we can work something out.
-Ace SOCOM carbine stock (I'm fine with a Gen 4)....figured some of you have Gen 4s in the parts bin after finding the elusive Gen 1. :) -RECCE rail -Ops INC brake (I'm trying to hunt down a long collar) -PRI M84 Big latch -Ergo grip? Just the basic one. Can be painted/nasty, I don't care. That will be enough to get me shooting. Also, when I ordered my barrel from Compass Lake, I accidentally added a metal cap for the muzzle threads. At the time I was thinking it was some plastic piece that protects the crown/threads while shipping. If anyone has an AR with 1/2-28 threads and a threaded suppressor, sent me an instant message and I'll toss the cap in an envelope for free. It's just a bead blaster metal cap with small knurling for grip. EDIt, just realized I owned the first post on page and need a picture. I saw this Mk12 with a beautiful paintjob over on IG. Is this a member here? 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 7:54:34 AM EDT
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:57:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori:
This is the dangerous time of the night...I'm feeling good after some scotch and roaming the internet to buy gun parts. haha Who has the best prices on the straight 20 round mags? Not sure if there is a specific model that's preferred/good quality and for a decent price. I was thinking Colt's for $20 http://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-AR15-M16-M4-20-round-USGI-Aluminum-Magazine-p/sp62103.htm Or Brownell's for $12 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-magazine-ss-223-5-56-prod71748.aspx I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. I bought several brownells, good quality, no real need to spend the extra on the Colts Saturday morning eye bleed to some 
Don't worry... it will be corrected eventually. I see so many mod 0 with a 3.5-10x40 I can't bring myself to slap a 2.5-8 on this guy.... just doesn't look quite right 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:28:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:40:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
http://i.imgur.com/hwylgeg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LxwaCGh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TWmGa9L.jpg Nice to see my old lower, #38, #40, brake and collar all went to a good home. 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:01:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
Nice to see my old lower, #38, #40, brake and collar all went to a good home.
Enjoy that rifle. Bohguy did a good job with it. Thanks! Bohguy told me the lower was yours but I didn't know everything else was too haha. I think the #38 used to belong to Movistar as well since that's what he messaged me. The collar however I swapped that out for the Badger unit (pictured) since the og Ops collar has too much of a loose tolerance on PRI/Douglas barrel and the small ass set screw was stripped. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:14:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KGLaw]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Thanks! Bohguy told me the lower was yours but I didn't know everything else was too haha. I think the #38 used to belong to Movistar as well since that's what he messaged me. The collar however I swapped that out for the Badger unit (pictured) since the og Ops collar has too much of a loose tolerance on PRI/Douglas barrel and the small ass set screw was stripped. Whoops. Aye, I like the Badger units a lot better, too.
The #38 was originally KOBK's before me, then I sold it to Movistar when I found a PEQ rail to replace it. Well traveled part that kind of outlines why I like the Mk12 community so much.
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:17:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
http://i.imgur.com/hwylgeg.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LxwaCGh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TWmGa9L.jpg That thing really is awesome!! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:31:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
So does nobody actually have a correct Mod 0 with the TS30, A1 lower, and set screw FSB? I'd really like to do a manual for you Gen III owners but I can't very well do that without someone working with me on pics. Feedback is good so far on the early SPR/Mod 0 OM so I think maybe it should go to Samson soon for a print run.Also stop putting 3.5-10s on late Mod 0s, it's bad and you should feel bad. Unfortunately those are the 2 things that are left for me. I may pull the barrel at some point and send it in for flats and change to a set screw fsb. The a1 pattern lower, due to my locale unfortunately, will need to be a pre ban or it won't happen so that will be a little harder but everything else I have is correct for a late mod 0 so if I can help at all let me know. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:49:18 AM EDT
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I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 78Staff:
Yep Mod 1 - Mod 1 lower faces left, Mod 0 case lower faces right... Otherwise identical and interchangeable pretty much. Can anyone confirm this to be true about the mod0 case |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:14:13 PM EDT
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Couple of things: First I'd like to get added to buy the next batch of manuals if there are any. Or buy one that someone didn't pay for. Second: thanks for the labels. I'm not sure where these labels go on the case. Third, is there some kind of template file that is being used for the foam cutouts? I have a real case but may want another. Finally, I think this may be the model number of the Leupy scope that someone was looking for earlier. I had it on my Mk12 Mod1 but am thinking of switching to some more power to help these poor eyes. And oh yes, if there's ever a shoot in Colorado Springs or near there let me know as I have 2 brothers-in-law there and I travel that way often (also to Pueblo to see an old AF buddy of mine). Here's the scope info:
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:19:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AL1EN:
Can anyone confirm this to be true about the mod0 case Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AL1EN:
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Yep Mod 1 - Mod 1 lower faces left, Mod 0 case lower faces right... Otherwise identical and interchangeable pretty much. Can anyone confirm this to be true about the mod0 case 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
Gotta show some late Mod 0 2.5-8 love with all this talk of 3.5-10s https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59096/236759-mod0rev3592-130432.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59096/779231-mod0rev3591-130433.JPG I'll add one too.... 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
I bought several brownells, good quality, no real need to spend the extra on the Colts Saturday morning eye bleed to some
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k547/gadgetguy799/Guns/20170116_082440_zpsvp9bqasc.jpg Don't worry... it will be corrected eventually. I see so many mod 0 with a 3.5-10x40 I can't bring myself to slap a 2.5-8 on this guy.... just doesn't look quite right Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By Regulatori:
This is the dangerous time of the night...I'm feeling good after some scotch and roaming the internet to buy gun parts. haha Who has the best prices on the straight 20 round mags? Not sure if there is a specific model that's preferred/good quality and for a decent price. I was thinking Colt's for $20 http://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-AR15-M16-M4-20-round-USGI-Aluminum-Magazine-p/sp62103.htm Or Brownell's for $12 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-magazine-ss-223-5-56-prod71748.aspx I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. I bought several brownells, good quality, no real need to spend the extra on the Colts Saturday morning eye bleed to some
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k547/gadgetguy799/Guns/20170116_082440_zpsvp9bqasc.jpg Don't worry... it will be corrected eventually. I see so many mod 0 with a 3.5-10x40 I can't bring myself to slap a 2.5-8 on this guy.... just doesn't look quite right The 2.5-8 is the most correct for the rifle. People use 3.5-10s because they're channeling the early rifles, but realistically the few later rifles probably just used the 2.5-8. No pics or anecdotes have specifically surfaces of the early glass on the later rifles. On another note I can't even find an NSN for the illuminated Vari-X. I don't think I found one for a 3.5-10 Mk4 either. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:37:02 PM EDT
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Where did everyone learn to paint so well?
They all look amazing |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:47:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The 2.5-8 is the most correct for the rifle. People use 3.5-10s because they're channeling the early rifles, but realistically the few later rifles probably just used the 2.5-8. No pics or anecdotes have specifically surfaces of the early glass on the later rifles. On another note I can't even find an NSN for the illuminated Vari-X. I don't think I found one for a 3.5-10 Mk4 either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By Regulatori:
This is the dangerous time of the night...I'm feeling good after some scotch and roaming the internet to buy gun parts. haha Who has the best prices on the straight 20 round mags? Not sure if there is a specific model that's preferred/good quality and for a decent price. I was thinking Colt's for $20 http://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-AR15-M16-M4-20-round-USGI-Aluminum-Magazine-p/sp62103.htm Or Brownell's for $12 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-magazine-ss-223-5-56-prod71748.aspx I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. I bought several brownells, good quality, no real need to spend the extra on the Colts Saturday morning eye bleed to some
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k547/gadgetguy799/Guns/20170116_082440_zpsvp9bqasc.jpg Don't worry... it will be corrected eventually. I see so many mod 0 with a 3.5-10x40 I can't bring myself to slap a 2.5-8 on this guy.... just doesn't look quite right The 2.5-8 is the most correct for the rifle. People use 3.5-10s because they're channeling the early rifles, but realistically the few later rifles probably just used the 2.5-8. No pics or anecdotes have specifically surfaces of the early glass on the later rifles. On another note I can't even find an NSN for the illuminated Vari-X. I don't think I found one for a 3.5-10 Mk4 either. knights armament 3.5-10X sniper rifle scope assembly 1005-01-544-60921852.259Mui ea used on XM110 sniper rifle army issue sighting system M107 rifle1240-01-505-51071045.019Missued replacement scope for 50 cal rifle leupold sight telescopic MARK 4 M3 10x1240-01-470-65481371.36?scope is 13 1/2 inches long with mil dot reticle leupold scope MARK 4 3.5-10x40mm LR/T M3 rifle scope 1240-01-552-3720??scope is for long range with illuminated mil reticle leupold scope MARK 4 M1-10 x 401240-01-474-0196??long range rifle scope with mil dot reticle butler creek flip up lens covers and sunshades leupold scope MARK 4 M1-10 x 40mm1240-01-444-3556??long range tactical scope with duplex reticle leupold scope MARK 4 M1-10x6650-01-428-6799??scope with target dot reticle leupold scope MARK 4 M1 16 x 40 mm1240-01-471-4969??scope with duplex reticle leupold scope VARI x III 3.5 x 10 5855-01-509-68721160.012Gscope with mil dot reticle swarovski scope 10x1240-01-453-6460??used with barrett M82 50 cal barrett firearms 50 cal scope 1240-01-415-3867??used with barrett M82A1 50 cal premier reticles leupold VARI x III 1.5x20mm matte1240-01-470-2307??scope is 10.59 inches long premier reticles sight 16X model 45580M116T1240-01-494-0830??with butler creek flip up lens cover 1 and 2 1/2 in long sunshade premier reticles schmidt & bender scope1240-01-533-18541665.01?3-12X1.97 inch scope premier reticles scope model 90294106650-01-493-6638??scope with 10x mil dot installed includes butler creek lens covers unertl scope model MST1501240-01-379-58371802.16?scope used on barrett 50cal sniper rifles unertl scope model MST1001240-01-123-47302049.47?scope used on M40A3 rifle MK12 MOD 0 system rifle variable scope1240-01-504-32781300.01?navy issue used with MK12/special purpose sniper rifle lightforce scope model NXS22MD navy special forces rifle scope 5855-01-506-59201185.119Gscope used with MK12/special purpose M16 sniper rifle lightforce scope model 5.5-22X56NXS rifle scope 5855-01-515-5896??scope used with MK12/special purpose M16 sniper rifle Edit: sorry for the formatting it came off an excell |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:58:37 PM EDT
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In honor of all the liberal tears being shed today- New FAs installed
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Posted: 1/21/2017 1:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
I'll add one too.... 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 2:07:39 PM EDT
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I might have a lead on the Mk12 Mod 0/1 manual but I can't get the guy to respond to my email.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 3:16:38 PM EDT
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Well I would like to say that my builds are one step closer to being finished. I sent the money order off yesterday for the AEM5!! I'm hoping by the time it gets to my dealer the HPA will be passed and I can spring it from jail and take it home. Now for the wait to begin...........
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:10:06 PM EDT
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Just want to give a HUGE thanks to Corey for doing such an awesome job on the repo labels. They look great and can't wait to get my pelican case all hooked up with proper cutouts and labels.
Im transitioning my mk12 from a later mod 0 to a earlier version with pri's retro gen2 handguard and rail. In all honesty, I spent a long time looking for a true gen2 tube and top rail but to no avail. Shocker right lol. A few years ago I was lucky enough to pick up a real deal spr set screw FSB with wheel, and now I'm pretty close to having a complete early clone setup. Since the ATF bullshit about not using serial numbers that "could be" actual colt m16's, I'm having somewhat of an issue finding a place that will coat my 80% lower, since I had it roll marked and numbered to be a REPLICA of a mid 80's colt issue lower with gov prop markings. So please, don't snipe me to hard on that, I'm trying. I'm busy with family stuff today, but I've got a pile of parts that need some attention as soon I get a few free minutes. Can't wait to see it together as a complete upper. Armalite Upper (not pictured) Colt M16 BCG (not pictured) Douglas MK12 1-7tw (not pictured) PRI Early Wheeled FSGB PRI Gen2 handguard PRI Gen2 SPR-PEQ Arms 40-L (no wing logo) Arms 22M (no wing logo,no stops) Arms TRC (no wing logo) Ops Inc Brake & Collar (short) Premier 3-15 And a spare arms spr peq 2-3 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 7:27:05 PM EDT
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Went to the range today to flex the muscles of my mod 1 and pop my mk12 cherry, and WOW! I LOVE THAT RIFLE! Now ymmv, but my NF 2.5-10x24 had never been touched, and it was DEAD ON right out of the box! I had to adjust 1 click left, nothing else. Only went 100 yards, but holy shit, that mk12 and I will have some good times together....
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Posted: 1/21/2017 7:40:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Went to the range today to flex the muscles of my mod 1 and pop my mk12 cherry, and WOW! I LOVE THAT RIFLE! Now ymmv, but my NF 2.5-10x24 had never been touched, and it was DEAD ON right out of the box! I had to adjust 1 click left, nothing else. Only went 100 yards, but holy shit, that mk12 and I will have some good times together.... Never used an optic out of the box I didn't have to zero. You must of lucked out. Took two people to zero my dads night force. Me spotting and him shooting. Could of been the spotters fault but took 35 rounds to bracket and zero the scope. He had a retailer install the scope and did a 50yard zero with a laser..? It was way off. In other news got my lower, SSA trigger, A2 stock, ergo grip, and some 20 rounders. Still need bipod/adapter, rings, and AEM5 to finish the project. Will post picks when she is put together a bit more. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:02:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori:
This is the dangerous time of the night...I'm feeling good after some scotch and roaming the internet to buy gun parts. haha Who has the best prices on the straight 20 round mags? Not sure if there is a specific model that's preferred/good quality and for a decent price. I was thinking Colt's for $20 http://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-AR15-M16-M4-20-round-USGI-Aluminum-Magazine-p/sp62103.htm Or Brownell's for $12 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-magazine-ss-223-5-56-prod71748.aspx I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. Look for Okay Industries SureFeed magazines. Way cheaper than Colt branded mags and made at the same factory on the same machines. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArpaioFan:
I just got my TS30A2 from optics planet. It had the mk262 caps and all. Just make sure you pick the right PN. Should be 112633. ETA: Pics https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/239198/IMG-0666-130240.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/239198/IMG-0667-130243.JPG I bought the same exact scope back in Nov of 2015. It came with 308 caps. I called and bought the correct Mk12 one. I read later that they were assembling these with whatever they had on hand. Hopefully things have changed, but it seems it's hit or miss on what caps will actually be on the 112633 scopes. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:27:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dslmgk]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HalfMeltingEyes:
Wow, you guys weren't kidding when you said the TAS-1 was ass  . Oh well, got a fixed stock sling adapter out of it, and only spent about $22Yep, it's a P.O.S!!!!!!!!! But if you can find someone to make an exact copy of the UMSS adapter you will have struck Mk12 gold!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lucked out and found a TAS-3 UMSS on Fleabay and was able to piece together an exact copy of a TAS-1 UMSS. Best I could do to complete the original kit. "DangerDan" who was actually "there" and issued a Mk12 stated he had gone to the PX and bought a Spectragear sling. In the field it seems anything was used including M60 slings, but the kit was sent out with the "unobtanium" TAS-1 UMSS. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 8:59:56 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARdvark:
well, maybe we'll have to start a texas mk12 shoot. since we da biggest. 
also, just got this ordered. looks like a mod 1? judging based on the rail marks on the bottom of the foam. http://i.imgur.com/io7ws0m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IaQ9nW7.jpg What did you end up paying for it if you don't mind me asking. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:01:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Im asking because Ive seen quite a few mixed in this thread.
Where can I find more pictures of the Mod H basically with the MOD 1 KAC 12" FF hand gaurd? Is it a SEAL recce? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:03:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dslmgk:
I bought the same exact scope back in Nov of 2015. It came with 308 caps. I called and bought the correct Mk12 one. I read later that they were assembling these with whatever they had on hand. Hopefully things have changed, but it seems it's hit or miss on what caps will actually be on the 112633 scopes. I just got mk4 2.5-8 from optics planet too. Came with 262 mod 1 turrets and hash marks for scope mounting. Same model 112633. Maybe now is the time to get them with the correct turrets? |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:14:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lurp06x:
I just got mk4 2.5-8 from optics planet too. Came with 262 mod 1 turrets and hash marks for scope mounting. Same model 112633. Maybe now is the time to get them with the correct turrets? Mine came from Optics Planet too. I would agree, get one now before they are out of stock forever! |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:22:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HalfMeltingEyes]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori:
This is the dangerous time of the night...I'm feeling good after some scotch and roaming the internet to buy gun parts. haha Who has the best prices on the straight 20 round mags? Not sure if there is a specific model that's preferred/good quality and for a decent price. I was thinking Colt's for $20 http://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-AR15-M16-M4-20-round-USGI-Aluminum-Magazine-p/sp62103.htm Or Brownell's for $12 http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-magazine-ss-223-5-56-prod71748.aspx I've always used Colt USGI mags in the past...just curious if Brownells were a good value. I personally don't like the way the Brownells mags have all three ribs that span the entire length of the mag body. The Okay Industries mags are priced really well and have the one rib stop short of the bottom.Okay 20 rounders on 44mag |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:29:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Im asking because Ive seen quite a few mixed in this thread. Where can I find more pictures of the Mod H basically with the MOD 1 KAC 12" FF hand gaurd? Is it a SEAL recce? SEAL recce. This is probably the best picture we have of one, but also the least cloned amongst the SEAL recce's.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:37:33 PM EDT
[#36]
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:49:02 PM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 9:54:45 PM EDT
[#38]
My sling bits came in today and replaced my #40L with a #40.
Ignore me trying to hide A2 shame with sling in first picture.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:12:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
[#39]
More bleeding eyes, for engineer
Afg! Personal purchase anyone?
I love this rifle so much.... mk12s are my new huge obsession. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:22:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Lancecriminal mentioned best of the west but that place gets really crowded these days. I'm checking with some guys I know that have some land around here to see if they are open to having something. I have 35 acres near Colorado Springs that is just open flat land. If I measured right there is room for a 600yd range but that's an 11-12 hour drive. Maybe a 3 day weekend thing. I've got everybody contacted and paid who was on my original list EXCEPT for these people: Ray9101 BSOG1 Lonewolfgun These three guys I will try to contact over the weekend. I have 5 alternates so I will get more printed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By ARdvark:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Don't get me started. Both my AEM5's were approved DEC 28. I'm waiting on capital armory. On Jan 28 I'll go ahead and request a certified copy of my stamps. Might be faster. well, maybe we'll have to start a texas mk12 shoot. since we da biggest. Lancecriminal mentioned best of the west but that place gets really crowded these days. I'm checking with some guys I know that have some land around here to see if they are open to having something. I have 35 acres near Colorado Springs that is just open flat land. If I measured right there is room for a 600yd range but that's an 11-12 hour drive. Maybe a 3 day weekend thing. I've got everybody contacted and paid who was on my original list EXCEPT for these people: Ray9101 BSOG1 Lonewolfgun These three guys I will try to contact over the weekend. I have 5 alternates so I will get more printed. IM sent. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:33:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
[#41]
Hey gents, did some more NSN and part number sleuthing for the older 3.5-10 Vari-X III and Mk4 with the illum Mildot and M3.
Found a ca. 2004 Leupold military/tactical pamphlet online. The older ones don't have the same # as the current 67945, rather it appears to have been Model # 53672. Model # 53672 carries the NSN 1240-01-552-3720. Link THAT NSN was assigned in 2007. So, the search continues but it seems I'm a bit closer. It also is possible the NSN for the original Vari-X branded ones ended up being superseded and removed from the registry, or that it again had a totally different Model # from Leupold. The search continues. I'm going to try and hunt down a 2000-2003 era Leupold product listing. Oh and here's the patent for the TMR Reticle TMR Patent |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:52:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
More bleeding eyes, for engineer Afg! Personal purchase anyone?
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k547/gadgetguy799/Guns/20170121_210851_zpsgfwjgi23.jpg I love this rifle so much.... mk12s are my new huge obsession. For god sakes man. Don't embarrass yourself.........................  
MAGA! 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:03:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
No I need the Gen III. The Early SPR is taken care of, Wheelman had a perfect pic for that. What I'm looking for are the late rifles with the correct parts, but almost everyone has clamp FSBs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By 99superduty:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
There are a couple other models of that scope that are identical except the markings your going to paint over and the battery cap lanyard. You can buy the mk12 mod 1 turret seperate for 36.00 if you want a turret that says mk12 Where can you get the MK12 turret for $36? Call Leupold. Part number112635. 36.00 and some change. It's the standard turret on 112633(TS30A2) I bought 2 of them less than 6 months ago for 36 bucks each. If the price went up in the last few months I can not speak to that. I think I bought them in August or September Lancecriminal I have an early mod 0 with a TS30 (3-9x36) and wheel fsgb. Do you need pictures? Oops..I don't have the A1 lower on it yet. Still working on the anodizing problem for my braceman lowers. They are A1 but not finished. I go pick up my AEM5's tomorrow finally. No I need the Gen III. The Early SPR is taken care of, Wheelman had a perfect pic for that. What I'm looking for are the late rifles with the correct parts, but almost everyone has clamp FSBs. I have a Gen III with a set screw FSB, but a naked carbon tube and PRI PEQ rail. Other deviations include AEM5 instead of Ops Inc. 12th, regular MR/T 2.5-8 instead of TS-30A2, and lever stop rings. Painting it tomorrow to hide minimize those facts Will post some pics
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:05:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nhm16:
I have a Gen III with a set screw FSB, but a naked carbon tube and PRI PEQ rail. Other deviations include AEM5 instead of Ops Inc. 12th, regular MR/T 2.5-8 instead of TS-30A2, and lever stop rings. Painting it tomorrow to hide minimize those facts Will post some picsQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By nhm16:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By 99superduty:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
There are a couple other models of that scope that are identical except the markings your going to paint over and the battery cap lanyard. You can buy the mk12 mod 1 turret seperate for 36.00 if you want a turret that says mk12 Where can you get the MK12 turret for $36? Call Leupold. Part number112635. 36.00 and some change. It's the standard turret on 112633(TS30A2) I bought 2 of them less than 6 months ago for 36 bucks each. If the price went up in the last few months I can not speak to that. I think I bought them in August or September Lancecriminal I have an early mod 0 with a TS30 (3-9x36) and wheel fsgb. Do you need pictures? Oops..I don't have the A1 lower on it yet. Still working on the anodizing problem for my braceman lowers. They are A1 but not finished. I go pick up my AEM5's tomorrow finally. No I need the Gen III. The Early SPR is taken care of, Wheelman had a perfect pic for that. What I'm looking for are the late rifles with the correct parts, but almost everyone has clamp FSBs. I have a Gen III with a set screw FSB, but a naked carbon tube and PRI PEQ rail. Other deviations include AEM5 instead of Ops Inc. 12th, regular MR/T 2.5-8 instead of TS-30A2, and lever stop rings. Painting it tomorrow to hide minimize those facts Will post some picsIf you don't mind pulling it somewhat apart that'd help, but don't feel like you have to go all the way. If I can get enough isolated pics of the right parts I can frankenstein a parts blowout. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:15:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
For god sakes man. Don't embarrass yourself.........................
MAGA! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/b033730b-cbc1-4240-ba75-fb1b81325f3d_zpsbsyeoz5n.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/Engineer23/MAGA_zpsg4nuyfus.jpg Just wait for some magpul action on the Mod 0
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:31:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dinnertime:
What did you end up paying for it if you don't mind me asking. I paid 2350 for what ended up being 18 mk12 cut cases. |
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:32:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:37:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Im asking because Ive seen quite a few mixed in this thread. Where can I find more pictures of the Mod H basically with the MOD 1 KAC 12" FF hand gaurd? Is it a SEAL recce? Come on over to the thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/303894_Pic-Request--Recce-style-rifles.html&page=144 But keep in mind that it's not truly a clone thread like this one. There are a few people who stick to it but a lot of "inspired" stuff. This page and the one after it have some good pictures. There really isn't a ton of them. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 12:01:15 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Just wait for some magpul action on the Mod 0  Da Fuq.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 12:37:02 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Da Fuq.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By aaron580:
Just wait for some magpul action on the Mod 0 Da Fuq.Just let him, when god smites him it will free up some parts |
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