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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12.

Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL")

Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR)

Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities.

The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle.

Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment.

The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5).

Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle"

The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more.

In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04.

In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands.
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The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention!

Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW.

The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution.

- Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets]

- Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis)

LOWER
Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
  • Lower: M16A1 pattern [Nodak Spud NDSA1 or 80% re-profiled/finished/engraved]
  • Trigger: Knight's 2-Stage Full Auto Match Trigger or Geissele SSF [KAC semi-auto Match or Geissele SSA/SSA-E]
  • Grip: A1, A2, ERGO Original
  • Stock: Originally issued with A1 stocks, both solid D and trapdoor E types; as A1 stocks dwindled, A2 were used; ModH rifles rebuilt with Ace SOCOM stocks
  • Small parts: Standard M16A1 parts

UPPER
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other.


Early SPR/Mod0
  • Upper: Colt, Diemaco, or Armalite marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen I carbon fiber free-float Handguard, rifle length (identified by button-head screws and one vent hole near barrel nut on lower half; no heat shields)
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR MOD Sleeve (either the PEQ version or with uneven spacing on the front  but not the full 1913 railed version)
  • FSB: PRi early folding front sight base and gas manifold, set-screw, with elevation wheel
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings, #22 Tactical Ring Cap and #22 Tactical Ring Rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40 LR, M3 turrets, Illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]
  • Bipod: Versa-Pod with A.R.M.S. #42, or a Harris with A.R.M.S. #32 (Versa-Pod far inferior to Harris)
Late Mod0
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16.
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, rifle length
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR-PEQ-2-3 Sleeve
  • FSB: PRi folding FSB, set-screw, .750 (original production had PRi's full address engraved on sight tower; those engraved with "PRi USA" are later manufacture)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
SPR/A, SPR/B, Mod1
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Knight's Armament M4 Match FF RAS, rifle length (now called the SR15/16 Match FF RAS)
  • Gas block: NSWC Crane pattern (Badger Ordnance parkerized/NSN version is correct, has open front of gas tube hole)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle or NightForce 2.5-10x24 (optionally with NightForce rings)
  • Bipod: Harris with KAC RAS bipod adapter (BRM-S, A.R.M.S. #32 could still optionally be used)

ModH, Mod "Holland"

  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Noveske 16" Recon, mid-length gas system, profiled for OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar (will require aftermarket contouring of most barrels)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, FDE, rifle length
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle Device: OPS. Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings on PRi recce rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) or LaRue LT-104 SPR mount
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]; S&B Short-Dot
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
  • Iron sights: (apparently PRI were supplied but never used)

In the Wild
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen:

Early SPR/Mod0:
Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on.

Mod1:
One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s.

ModH:
The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection.

Parts Alternatives for Clone Building
Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone.

Barrel:
Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone.

Optics & Rings:
In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings.

A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve:
The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds.

FSB:
While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves.

Suppressor, Brake/Collar:
Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes.

As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all.

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Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers
Bravo Company Manufacturing
High Caliber Sales
Precision Reflex Inc.

Specific Mk12 Tech
Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136
KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137
Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357
Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449
tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792

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Link Posted: 3/6/2016 5:57:45 PM EDT
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Sunday Funday.



Threw the can on. Get out your chainsaws! Lol









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  I haven't seen any. But which would you rather want?

x32 lets more light in and is alot better at 10x

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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:


Originally Posted By secretwheelman:


Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:



  The price is definitely





But at least they finally listened to customers and released some of them to us.





I'm pretty happy with my TS-30 A2, but as you mentioned, there is a sex appeal the NF 2.5-10x24 has that is difficult to resist.





Though to be honest, if I weren't going for a clone, the Leupold MK6 3-18 with Tremor 2 looks like a sweet fit for a precision semi-auto.

I would try to find a used one without capped turrets.



If you're going big, go big.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/721/21546858165_64b3f14096_o.jpg

 


  Good point.





I know Allen said that the x32 model was "issued," but I can't remember - do we have any "in the wild" pics of a MK12 sporting a NF 2.5-10x32?



  I haven't seen any. But which would you rather want?

x32 lets more light in and is alot better at 10x





 
Indeed - not to mention the x32 is cheaper.
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 6:22:40 PM EDT
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I've had both the x24 and the x32. I find the x32 to be better in all aspects aside from looking as cool.
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 6:31:34 PM EDT
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There's a bad ass looking x24 in the EE right now.
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 7:00:43 PM EDT
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Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.
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There's a bad ass looking x24 in the EE right now.
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Looks like someone already snagged it...
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.
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Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 10:19:08 PM EDT
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What's the proper rear sight for the MK12 Mod 1? And which rings would be used for a Leupold TS30A2? And is the A1 stock the right one for a Mk12 Mod 1?

Figured I'd check out prices while still waiting for Nodak Spud to make more lowers.
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Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.
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Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.


Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.


Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.
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What's the proper rear sight for the MK12 Mod 1? And which rings would be used for a Leupold TS30A2? And is the A1 stock the right one for a Mk12 Mod 1?



Figured I'd check out prices while still waiting for Nodak Spud to make more lowers.
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Check out the OP on page 1 - has all that info listed in detail for each type of variant.
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What's the proper rear sight for the MK12 Mod 1? And which rings would be used for a Leupold TS30A2? And is the A1 stock the right one for a Mk12 Mod 1?

Figured I'd check out prices while still waiting for Nodak Spud to make more lowers.
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Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop” hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) rear sight is KAC 600 meter flip up rear, KAC part number 98474.
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 11:01:38 PM EDT
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For those of you that are hunting coyotes, are you using the CBC 77gr OTM stuff or whatever you normally use to shoot groups with? Or are you re-zeroing and using something like the 50gr V-max?
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For those of you that are hunting coyotes, are you using the CBC 77gr OTM stuff or whatever you normally use to shoot groups with? Or are you re-zeroing and using something like the 50gr V-max?
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I dont shoot yotes but those fiocchi 50gr vmax move @ 3300fps and are VERY accurate. They are my go to grouping ammo if 77otm isnt in my bag. I shoot them to 400m as well. I would think they would do a heck of a number on a yote. 1:7 and 50grn love eachother btw :)


 
Link Posted: 3/6/2016 11:20:50 PM EDT
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I know most didn't sport irons but I could only go so long without them.  Especially when you can turn 3 ARMS levers in about 10 seconds and have a sub-8lb 16" rifle (without the can).



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I know most didn't sport irons but I could only go so long without them.  Especially when you can turn 3 ARMS levers in about 10 seconds and have a sub-8lb 16" rifle (without the can).



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1446/24940821594_e9d42b3ca8_h.jpg



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Where's the "like" button around here?




That looks killer man.
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I know most didn't sport irons but I could only go so long without them.  Especially when you can turn 3 ARMS levers in about 10 seconds and have a sub-8lb 16" rifle (without the can).

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/DZWekq" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1446/24940821594_e9d42b3ca8_h.jpg</a>

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Nice stick!
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I stay with 77s when calling dogs
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Sunday Funday.

Threw the can on. Get out your chainsaws! Lol

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Awesome looking rifle! If you don't mind, can you tell me what color paint you used? Looks like some grey in there?
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 1:42:45 AM EDT
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I know most didn't sport irons but I could only go so long without them.  Especially when you can turn 3 ARMS levers in about 10 seconds and have a sub-8lb 16" rifle (without the can).

<a href="https://flic.kr/p/DZWekq" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1446/24940821594_e9d42b3ca8_h.jpg</a>

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Link Posted: 3/7/2016 3:52:01 AM EDT
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Scored some old school cool rail goodness

Can't decide if I want to swap it onto my Mod 1 or put it in the EE...






Link Posted: 3/7/2016 6:48:49 AM EDT
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So who has Allen cans in stock?   Trying to get this one in before July and the 41F nonsense.
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 8:12:59 AM EDT
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Boltcarrier.com
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Awesome looking rifle! If you don't mind, can you tell me what color paint you used? Looks like some grey in there?
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:

Sunday Funday.



Threw the can on. Get out your chainsaws! Lol







Awesome looking rifle! If you don't mind, can you tell me what color paint you used? Looks like some grey in there?
Base rustoleum khaki, then earth brown and the dark green. Some black mesh after here and there as well
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Originally Posted By gaston4:


Scored some old school cool rail goodness



Can't decide if I want to swap it onto my Mod 1 or put it in the EE...





https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1620/25460261372_7db20219b4_c.jpg



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1585/25578851815_8005bc81ee_c.jpg



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1635/25460384602_d7a1a5b00b_c.jpg
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If you decide to do that, shoot me a PM with some numbers.



 
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 11:01:19 AM EDT
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Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.
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Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.


Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.


Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.


You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 11:41:21 AM EDT
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I think I may go Ergo and ditch my A1 grip.
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I'm whoring out pictures of this rifle but whatever.



Zeroed the NF and shot it out to 600 meters yesterday like it was nothing
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You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:


Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:


Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:

Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.




Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.





Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.




You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.
OR actually sort through SoF or Shotgun news for our DIAS kits and read Boys Life Magazine to send in our allowance money to buy cherry bombs and fake dog poop.
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You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.


Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.


Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.


You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.


That's why I bought 3 of the MK12 rails this time. I still want a Holland and Reece then a spare just in case. Now the most digging I have to do is through my parts shelves.
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  I haven't seen any. But which would you rather want?

x32 lets more light in and is alot better at 10x

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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:


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  The price is definitely





But at least they finally listened to customers and released some of them to us.





I'm pretty happy with my TS-30 A2, but as you mentioned, there is a sex appeal the NF 2.5-10x24 has that is difficult to resist.





Though to be honest, if I weren't going for a clone, the Leupold MK6 3-18 with Tremor 2 looks like a sweet fit for a precision semi-auto.

I would try to find a used one without capped turrets.



If you're going big, go big.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/721/21546858165_64b3f14096_o.jpg

 


  Good point.





I know Allen said that the x32 model was "issued," but I can't remember - do we have any "in the wild" pics of a MK12 sporting a NF 2.5-10x32?



  I haven't seen any. But which would you rather want?

x32 lets more light in and is alot better at 10x





 
These are the only two images I've ever seen of .mil guns with x32 NF glass:












Link Posted: 3/7/2016 12:49:41 PM EDT
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Scored some old school cool rail goodness

Can't decide if I want to swap it onto my Mod 1 or put it in the EE...


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I'll see your old school rail, and raise you.
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You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.


Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.


Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.


You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.


Man I've looked around, out of stock everywhere I could find to look. Missed 1 in the EE a while back. As of today though I am excitedly awaiting a text from my new best friend. That my new rails on the way!
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Man I've looked around, out of stock everywhere I could find to look. Missed 1 in the EE a while back. As of today though I am excitedly awaiting a text from my new best friend. That my new rails on the way!
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Originally Posted By Outlaw_2-6:
Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Anyone have an idea if where to find a Knights Armament quad rail for a mod 1? Wanting to build 1 badly after reading these pages.


Try operationsparts.com or the EE, they've been popping up a lot recently in there.


Thanks Outlaw, I'll keep checking the EE. Operation parts out of stock.


You guys have no idea how easy you got it. Back in my day.....we actually had to do some digging to find our ff ras. And we also had to walk to and from school, up hill both ways in 10 feet of snow.


Man I've looked around, out of stock everywhere I could find to look. Missed 1 in the EE a while back. As of today though I am excitedly awaiting a text from my new best friend. That my new rails on the way!

Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 2:10:18 PM EDT
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All of y'all who bought up all the FF RASs better hold onto one for me. REALLY feeling the urge to clone Shrek's SR-25...





Link Posted: 3/7/2016 2:12:36 PM EDT
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Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together


Definitely will do that.
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Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together





Definitely will do that.
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IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.
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  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together


Definitely will do that.

  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.


The SR25 FF RAS's are still pretty hard to find
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 2:57:54 PM EDT
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The SR25 FF RAS's are still pretty hard to find
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:


Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:

Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together





Definitely will do that.


  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.





The SR25 FF RAS's are still pretty hard to find




 
I was under the impression the SR-15 FF RAS would work with the SR-25 barrel nut. Maybe I'm assuming too much.
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 4:02:49 PM EDT
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Unfortunately they are not cross compatible
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  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:
Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together


Definitely will do that.

  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.


Have most of the parts I need. AEM brake and collar where ordered from Adco last night, bought the Knights Armament rail from Graham today. Barrel, upper and lower, a2 for the moment stock, Geiselle trigger group at the house. Can't wait for the rest of the parts to come in. PSA needs to hurry up and open the store in Summerville, driving to Mt Pleasant sucks!
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Unfortunately they are not cross compatible
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Have most of the parts I need. AEM brake and collar where ordered from Adco last night, bought the Knights Armament rail from Graham today. Barrel, upper and lower, a2 for the moment stock, Geiselle trigger group at the house. Can't wait for the rest of the parts to come in. PSA needs to hurry up and open the store in Summerville, driving to Mt Pleasant sucks!
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:


Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:

Nice! make sure to post some pics once you get it together





Definitely will do that.


  IF I decide to do it, it's gonna be a long long road. Ain't gonna happen anytime soon but I might start collecting the parts. I know his uses the URX rail but I wanna use the FF RAS; I just LOVE those rails. They're iconic.





Have most of the parts I need. AEM brake and collar where ordered from Adco last night, bought the Knights Armament rail from Graham today. Barrel, upper and lower, a2 for the moment stock, Geiselle trigger group at the house. Can't wait for the rest of the parts to come in. PSA needs to hurry up and open the store in Summerville, driving to Mt Pleasant sucks!




 
Keep me posted.
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Very fine looking rifle you've got there. I also like the chain protectors on that target but you might wanna check the video.
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Very fine looking rifle you've got there. I also like the chain protectors on that target but you might wanna check the video.
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Very fine looking rifle you've got there. I also like the chain protectors on that target but you might wanna check the video.
Fail! Fixed it. Steel was around 415 yards.
Link Posted: 3/7/2016 6:20:01 PM EDT
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These things arrived today. Looks like just a simple endmill and a 45deg cutter and i will have NLS :)








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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

  These are the only two images I've ever seen of .mil guns with x32 NF glass:


http://41.media.tumblr.com/c8d249c8531df75133ea47b30e435dce/tumblr_n5dcsx9pXy1tw4pxzo1_1280.jpg



http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/SEALRecce.jpg~original

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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

  The price is definitely


But at least they finally listened to customers and released some of them to us.


I'm pretty happy with my TS-30 A2, but as you mentioned, there is a sex appeal the NF 2.5-10x24 has that is difficult to resist.


Though to be honest, if I weren't going for a clone, the Leupold MK6 3-18 with Tremor 2 looks like a sweet fit for a precision semi-auto.
I would try to find a used one without capped turrets.

If you're going big, go big.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/721/21546858165_64b3f14096_o.jpg
 

  Good point.


I know Allen said that the x32 model was "issued," but I can't remember - do we have any "in the wild" pics of a MK12 sporting a NF 2.5-10x32?

  I haven't seen any. But which would you rather want?
x32 lets more light in and is alot better at 10x

  These are the only two images I've ever seen of .mil guns with x32 NF glass:


http://41.media.tumblr.com/c8d249c8531df75133ea47b30e435dce/tumblr_n5dcsx9pXy1tw4pxzo1_1280.jpg



http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/SEALRecce.jpg~original


NSW has access to them.  The Mk14 Mod 1 is normally equipped with the x24, but it looks like this one got swapped along the way somewhere.

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Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop” hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) rear sight is KAC 600 meter flip up rear, KAC part number 98474.
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What's the proper rear sight for the MK12 Mod 1? And which rings would be used for a Leupold TS30A2? And is the A1 stock the right one for a Mk12 Mod 1?

Figured I'd check out prices while still waiting for Nodak Spud to make more lowers.


Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop” hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) rear sight is KAC 600 meter flip up rear, KAC part number 98474.


Been trying to find pictures of the ARMS "Lever-stop" hump. What exactly should I be looking for? Not quite sure what a lever stop hump means.


And the KAC flat front flip up sight... is the correct version the black one? Would the FDE one also be appropriate? I figure I'd just go with whichever I'm able to find since I'll probably be spray painting the entire rifle.
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Been trying to find pictures of the ARMS "Lever-stop" hump. What exactly should I be looking for? Not quite sure what a lever stop hump means.





And the KAC flat front flip up sight... is the correct version the black one? Would the FDE one also be appropriate? I figure I'd just go with whichever I'm able to find since I'll probably be spray painting the entire rifle.
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Originally Posted By BoltactionJockey:


Originally Posted By Johnson184:

What's the proper rear sight for the MK12 Mod 1? And which rings would be used for a Leupold TS30A2? And is the A1 stock the right one for a Mk12 Mod 1?



Figured I'd check out prices while still waiting for Nodak Spud to make more lowers.




Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop” hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) rear sight is KAC 600 meter flip up rear, KAC part number 98474.




Been trying to find pictures of the ARMS "Lever-stop" hump. What exactly should I be looking for? Not quite sure what a lever stop hump means.





And the KAC flat front flip up sight... is the correct version the black one? Would the FDE one also be appropriate? I figure I'd just go with whichever I'm able to find since I'll probably be spray painting the entire rifle.
They are pictured 2 posts above yours. They have stop lugs machined into the bases to stop the travel of the throw levers.



Yes, any color KAC sight will be fine man.
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I think I may go Ergo and ditch my A1 grip.
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I think I may go A2 and ditch my Ergo. It's not very ergonomic for me.
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