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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12. Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL") Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities. The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle. Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment. The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5). Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle" The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more. In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04. In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands. The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention! Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW. The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution. - Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets] - Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis) LOWER Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other. Early SPR/Mod0
ModH, Mod "Holland"
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen: Early SPR/Mod0: Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on. Mod1: One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s. ModH: The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection. Parts Alternatives for Clone Building Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone. Barrel: Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone. Optics & Rings: In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings. A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve: The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds. FSB: While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves. Suppressor, Brake/Collar: Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes. As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all. * * * * * * * * * * Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers Bravo Company Manufacturing High Caliber Sales Precision Reflex Inc. Specific Mk12 Tech Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136 KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137 Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357 Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449 tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:13:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zakk101abn]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977:
Got it! This is my MK12 "inspired" rifle, maybe one day it will promote to the rank of clone. Due to a limited budget I wasn't able to go 'full clone' so this became a "inspired" MK12 rifle. The paint is still drying and may need a few touch ups, haha! Here are the details Upper Receiver- BCM SS410 18" 1/8 twist RURG w/ BCM KMR-*ALPHA* 15" Handguard w/ 3 KAC keymod aluminum 12" rails BCM bolt carrier group/auto PRI Gas Buster charging handle KAC forward grip (used during service) KAC rail covers Lower Receiver- ArmaLite M-15 lower BCM buffer/buffer tube/buffer spring BCM QD end plate B5 Systems Enhanced SOPMOD buttstock BCM GUNFIGHTER Mod 3 grip ArmaLite LPK Trigger- Geissele SSA trigger Optic- Leupold Mark Ar Mod1 3-9X40mm TMR Illuminated w/ A.R.M.S. #22 high mount rings, A.R.M.S. #37 ring inserts Iron Sights- KAC Offset front/rear 200-600m Sights Bipod-HBRMS Harris Bipod 6" to 9" leg notches w/ KAC MWS Rail Bipod Adapter Silencer- AAC M4-2000 (once ATF sends stamp) w/ AAC Brakeout 2.0 51t (I know, I know, booooo!, but it's what I already bought) <a href="http://s788.photobucket.com/user/jimmys120/media/58da7aac-949d-4ed6-aad4-32939eb2b25f_zpsqr6dxcfh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/58da7aac-949d-4ed6-aad4-32939eb2b25f_zpsqr6dxcfh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s788.photobucket.com/user/jimmys120/media/0821CB8D-9FE1-4C5E-A1B5-400D54B28AA2_zpscxt4kmfx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/0821CB8D-9FE1-4C5E-A1B5-400D54B28AA2_zpscxt4kmfx.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977:
Originally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By js1977:
Is it cool if I post a "inspired" MK12 rifle pic in here when I finish? Id say, and I think most will agree, you can post whatever you got. But if you're going to post in this thread, at least have the inclination or desire to make it more "clone appropriate" down the road ... We've all started somewhere. If you post stuff with the mentality that it's "better than clone- that's why I went with X instead of Y" then you probably will get some sort of flak, or just ignored. On that note, I'm interested to see your build. This is my MK12 "inspired" rifle, maybe one day it will promote to the rank of clone. Due to a limited budget I wasn't able to go 'full clone' so this became a "inspired" MK12 rifle. The paint is still drying and may need a few touch ups, haha! Here are the details Upper Receiver- BCM SS410 18" 1/8 twist RURG w/ BCM KMR-*ALPHA* 15" Handguard w/ 3 KAC keymod aluminum 12" rails BCM bolt carrier group/auto PRI Gas Buster charging handle KAC forward grip (used during service) KAC rail covers Lower Receiver- ArmaLite M-15 lower BCM buffer/buffer tube/buffer spring BCM QD end plate B5 Systems Enhanced SOPMOD buttstock BCM GUNFIGHTER Mod 3 grip ArmaLite LPK Trigger- Geissele SSA trigger Optic- Leupold Mark Ar Mod1 3-9X40mm TMR Illuminated w/ A.R.M.S. #22 high mount rings, A.R.M.S. #37 ring inserts Iron Sights- KAC Offset front/rear 200-600m Sights Bipod-HBRMS Harris Bipod 6" to 9" leg notches w/ KAC MWS Rail Bipod Adapter Silencer- AAC M4-2000 (once ATF sends stamp) w/ AAC Brakeout 2.0 51t (I know, I know, booooo!, but it's what I already bought) <a href="http://s788.photobucket.com/user/jimmys120/media/58da7aac-949d-4ed6-aad4-32939eb2b25f_zpsqr6dxcfh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/58da7aac-949d-4ed6-aad4-32939eb2b25f_zpsqr6dxcfh.jpg</a> <a href="http://s788.photobucket.com/user/jimmys120/media/0821CB8D-9FE1-4C5E-A1B5-400D54B28AA2_zpscxt4kmfx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/0821CB8D-9FE1-4C5E-A1B5-400D54B28AA2_zpscxt4kmfx.jpg</a> looks great.. lets get that rail swapped out for a KAC and then we'll work on that barrel. Paint is titties. 
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
Thought it looked familiar, thanks. The Mark 4 is out of my price range.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
Originally Posted By Zakk101abn:
What optic is this? Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 (I think) 3-9x Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
-yes 3-9 mk ar, non ill, mil dot. Thought it looked familiar, thanks. The Mark 4 is out of my price range. People always say this, but just save $40 a pay period and (don't laugh) spare change. You would be surprised how quickly it adds up. 8 months and a deal on EE and BAM! It could be yours. |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:27:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: People always say this, but just save $40 a pay period and (don't laugh) spare change. You would be surprised how quickly it adds up. 8 months and a deal on EE and BAM! It could be yours. Take lunch or skip it a few days a week; eat cheap and prosper. |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:54:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:33:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn: looks great.. lets get that rail swapped out for a KAC and then we'll work on that barrel. Paint is titties. http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/zakk101abn/Mobile%20Uploads/ea43e99a-ef2f-486e-8bc7-6a250d235623_zpsr5hefqb5.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn: Originally Posted By js1977: Originally Posted By Zakk101abn: Originally Posted By js1977: Is it cool if I post a "inspired" MK12 rifle pic in here when I finish? Id say, and I think most will agree, you can post whatever you got. But if you're going to post in this thread, at least have the inclination or desire to make it more "clone appropriate" down the road ... We've all started somewhere. If you post stuff with the mentality that it's "better than clone- that's why I went with X instead of Y" then you probably will get some sort of flak, or just ignored. On that note, I'm interested to see your build. looks great.. lets get that rail swapped out for a KAC and then we'll work on that barrel. Paint is titties. http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/zakk101abn/Mobile%20Uploads/ea43e99a-ef2f-486e-8bc7-6a250d235623_zpsr5hefqb5.jpg |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:36:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
My SAM-R was funded one sammich at a time. Take lunch or skip it a few days a week; eat cheap and prosper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By chenault:
People always say this, but just save $40 a pay period and (don't laugh) spare change. You would be surprised how quickly it adds up. 8 months and a deal on EE and BAM! It could be yours. Take lunch or skip it a few days a week; eat cheap and prosper. This right here, roughly $10-15 a day x 5 days, adds up quickly. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:40:39 AM EDT
[#7]
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff.
I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:44:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 1:01:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. Theres also one on 1163.... 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 1:04:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Theres also one on 1163.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. Theres also one on 1163.... Right.......................wtf was I thinking. 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:01:19 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:02:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. I didn't see a 308 mod1 on 763. Where you talking about the lone survivor behind the seens pic? |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:55:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
I didn't see a 308 mod1 on 763. Where you talking about the lone survivor behind the seens pic? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By TexasTerror:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that tries to save nickels and dimes for stuff. I was debating between a aero 308 or MK12 mod 0 for my next build. Then it hit me to build a MK12 Mod 0 in 308. Obviously it won't be clone correct but it would look pretty close. Anyone have one? I found a few through Google search. There is a .308 Mod1 on page 763. Second pic back rifle. I didn't see a 308 mod1 on 763. Where you talking about the lone survivor behind the seens pic? I meant 1163. Newborn has me so tired I'm making all kind of mistakes. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 1:13:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Buy this one!!!! SEAL RECCE HOLLAND MK12 MOD 308
For reals, I gots suppressorz to fund! 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 4:23:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KGLaw]
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What? No green on green tiger stripe?! 
(Despite how green this looks, it's rust-oleum khaki and brown...) |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 4:41:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KGLaw]
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Double tap.
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Posted: 2/3/2016 4:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz: Buy this one!!!! SEAL RECCE HOLLAND MK12 MOD 308 For reals, I gots suppressorz to fund! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg Is that field drab paint? |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Is that field drab paint? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Buy this one!!!! SEAL RECCE HOLLAND MK12 MOD 308
For reals, I gots suppressorz to fund! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg Is that field drab paint? Color I came up with that mimics the original "Dark Earth" before Magpul FDE and the like became the standard. I call it "SOCOM Dark Earth" (real creative, eh?) It kind of matches Team Wendy coyote, or LMT FDE on the SOPMODs |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/279084_mod02.jpg What? No green on green tiger stripe?!
(Despite how green this looks, it's rust-oleum khaki and brown...) UGH hot damn, that looks good. I was thinking this is some disruptive Predator shit, and then I saw your avatar....perfect :) |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:37:31 PM EDT
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Well fellas, awhile back I parted with my Mk 12 Mod 1 upper in anticipation of my daughters arrival. Now that things have settled down I'm looking to get back into the clone game, this time with a Mod H. I've been lurking this thread the past few weeks and have already ordered the Barrel, brake and collar. Does anyone have a good recommendation as to where would be the best place to find the PRI Gen III handguard? I wouldn't mind buying used either, Much thanks in advance! The knowledge shared in this thread is amazing and incredibly helpful.
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Buy this one!!!! SEAL RECCE HOLLAND MK12 MOD 308
For reals, I gots suppressorz to fund! <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/akratz/media/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg</a> Haha what handgaurd is that? |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoinTheRukus:
Well fellas, awhile back I parted with my Mk 12 Mod 1 upper in anticipation of my daughters arrival. Now that things have settled down I'm looking to get back into the clone game, this time with a Mod H. I've been lurking this thread the past few weeks and have already ordered the Barrel, brake and collar. Does anyone have a good recommendation as to where would be the best place to find the PRI Gen III handguard? I wouldn't mind buying used either, Much thanks in advance! The knowledge shared in this thread is amazing and incredibly helpful. I stalked the EE for mine and ended up buying used. If I was going to buy new, I think BCM may have the best deal. Their version includes an extra (long) rail. (2 shorts, 2 longs) If it's of interest to you. Or, sell one long and lower your investment cost. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 5:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Haha what handgaurd is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TexasTerror:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Buy this one!!!! SEAL RECCE HOLLAND MK12 MOD 308
For reals, I gots suppressorz to fund! <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/akratz/media/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/001WTS/20160127_123739_zpsuat1ycxf.jpg</a> Haha what handgaurd is that? Daniel Defense LITE 762 I actually found that rail in the EE, and impulsively thought "man, those are super rare anymore for AR10 patterns...I should build an AR10 around it" $2k later............. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 7:10:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 7:34:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/279084_mod02.jpg What? No green on green tiger stripe?!
(Despite how green this looks, it's rust-oleum khaki and brown...) 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 7:41:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Shits dope! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/279084_mod02.jpg What? No green on green tiger stripe?!
(Despite how green this looks, it's rust-oleum khaki and brown...)
Shits dope! 
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Posted: 2/3/2016 7:51:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. What brand and model A2 buttstock sling attachment is that? |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 7:57:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unrgop:
What brand and model A2 buttstock sling attachment is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unrgop:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. What brand and model A2 buttstock sling attachment is that? http://www.maxprotactical.com/Gear_Sector_Fixed_Stock_Sling_Adapter_p/gs-2400.htm Gear Sector GS-2420 |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 8:04:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. After all my Holland browsing today, this will now be the third pair of underpants I've had to change. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 8:16:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
After all my Holland browsing today, this will now be the third pair of underpants I've had to change. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. After all my Holland browsing today, this will now be the third pair of underpants I've had to change. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2016 8:37:45 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. Optic? Looks nice painted. *runs off to play with his holland* |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 8:46:29 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Optic? Looks nice painted. *runs off to play with his holland* Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
http://img.pixady.com/2016/02/134276_newmod0.jpg Tried to keep it as Zakk's as possible. Optic? Looks nice painted. *runs off to play with his holland* Cheap PA 4-16x44 beater I've had lying around. Will put something real on it closer to the season when my strangled wallet breathes again.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2016 9:35:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoinTheRukus]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
I stalked the EE for mine and ended up buying used. If I was going to buy new, I think BCM may have the best deal. Their version includes an extra (long) rail. (2 shorts, 2 longs) If it's of interest to you. Or, sell one long and lower your investment cost. Thank you for the info! I've been stalking the EE for the past week or so and continually fight the urge for instant gratification at the expense of my cc. Up until now I was unaware of BCM's rail package, good bit of info to know especially since they were roughly $10 more than some other retailers. For now I will keep eyes peeled on the EE. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:12:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cbfurg]
[#34]
Looking for an optic for my Mod 1. I've got around $1300 to spend. What do you guys suggest? Trying to decide if I drop it all on glass or save some of it to pick up an Aem5... Is the NF the way to go over the Leupold? I've been doing a bunch of research but figured this is the place to come for everything mk12. I've never owned anything higher end than a Vortex PST (which I know isn't high end). I'm currently thinking NF 2.5-10x32 w/ a Larue mount. I'm open to suggestions. Trying to stay as clone correct as possible but I'd like to get as much bang for my buck as I can!
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnStoner]
[#35]
What you're thinking is exactly what I did. NF 2.5-10x32 in lt-104 is tits. Strongly support and highly recommend. Range I shoot at has steel every 100 or so out to 1000m. No problem making first shot hits to 700.
You're at a difficult juncture not having an arm 5 yet. If you already have the KAC 99051 and kac rear buis I say get the wait started on the aem5 asap. Use your open sights for now and save pennies for glass/mount. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:25:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnStoner:
What you're thinking is exactly what I did. NF 2.5-10x32 in lt-104 is tits. Strongly support and highly recommend. Range I shoot at has steel every 100 or so out to 1000m. No problem making first shot hits to 700. You're at a difficult juncture not having an arm 5 yet. If you already have the KAC 99051 and kac rear buis I say get the wait started on the aem5 asap. Use your open sights for now and save pennies for glass/mount. That's the thing. I've got everything to make the build operation except buis and optic. I could go buis and suppressor or optic and mount right now... |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:48:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
Looking for an optic for my Mod 1. I've got around $1300 to spend. What do you guys suggest? Trying to decide if I drop it all on glass or save some of it to pick up an Aem5... Is the NF the way to go over the Leupold? I've been doing a bunch of research but figured this is the place to come for everything mk12. I've never owned anything higher end than a Vortex PST (which I know isn't high end). I'm currently thinking NF 2.5-10x32 w/ a Larue mount. I'm open to suggestions. Trying to stay as clone correct as possible but I'd like to get as much bang for my buck as I can! Depends on the kind of mod1 your going for. Let's admit....look is everything with these rifles. Function wise....nxs is the way to go. Better glass, more magnification. 2.5-8 Leupy is what was issued with these and are on the majority of mod1's in pics from the wild....not to mention Lone Survivor and American Sniper. It wasn't Hollywood that came up with which glass was used on the rifles from those movies....they were seals. And I've never seen a 3.5-10 issued on one, only put on by the operator. So, it really comes down to what kind of mod1 YOU want to own. After shooting out to 600 yds, the 2.5-8 is growing on me. Wasn't a fan at first, because I do mostly benchrest shooting. But it is lighter and less bulky than my 3.5-10, but not as good for grouping on paper I think. If I were to pick out of anything. ...3.5-15nxs all day |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 12:27:51 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Depends on the kind of mod1 your going for. Let's admit....look is everything with these rifles. Function wise....nxs is the way to go. Better glass, more magnification. 2.5-8 Leupy is what was issued with these and are on the majority of mod1's in pics from the wild....not to mention Lone Survivor and American Sniper. It wasn't Hollywood that came up with which glass was used on the rifles from those movies....they were seals. And I've never seen a 3.5-10 issued on one, only put on by the operator. So, it really comes down to what kind of mod1 YOU want to own. After shooting out to 600 yds, the 2.5-8 is growing on me. Wasn't a fan at first, because I do mostly benchrest shooting. But it is lighter and less bulky than my 3.5-10, but not as good for grouping on paper I think. If I were to pick out of anything. ...3.5-15nxs all day Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By cbfurg:
Looking for an optic for my Mod 1. I've got around $1300 to spend. What do you guys suggest? Trying to decide if I drop it all on glass or save some of it to pick up an Aem5... Is the NF the way to go over the Leupold? I've been doing a bunch of research but figured this is the place to come for everything mk12. I've never owned anything higher end than a Vortex PST (which I know isn't high end). I'm currently thinking NF 2.5-10x32 w/ a Larue mount. I'm open to suggestions. Trying to stay as clone correct as possible but I'd like to get as much bang for my buck as I can! Depends on the kind of mod1 your going for. Let's admit....look is everything with these rifles. Function wise....nxs is the way to go. Better glass, more magnification. 2.5-8 Leupy is what was issued with these and are on the majority of mod1's in pics from the wild....not to mention Lone Survivor and American Sniper. It wasn't Hollywood that came up with which glass was used on the rifles from those movies....they were seals. And I've never seen a 3.5-10 issued on one, only put on by the operator. So, it really comes down to what kind of mod1 YOU want to own. After shooting out to 600 yds, the 2.5-8 is growing on me. Wasn't a fan at first, because I do mostly benchrest shooting. But it is lighter and less bulky than my 3.5-10, but not as good for grouping on paper I think. If I were to pick out of anything. ...3.5-15nxs all day Most (all) of the shooting I do is benchrest currently. There is an appeal to me for the issued optic but I've also always wanted a Nightforce. I've heard the hype but never even held one. I'm lost on reticles as well right now... Sorry guys. I'm a noob on this shit. I don't make a lot of money so this clone rifle is a big deal for me (and a testament to my awesome wife's love for me) but I'm not well-heeled enough to make informed decisions based on personal experience... |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 12:45:23 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg: Most (all) of the shooting I do is benchrest currently. There is an appeal to me for the issued optic but I've also always wanted a Nightforce. I've heard the hype but never even held one. I'm lost on reticles as well right now... Sorry guys. I'm a noob on this shit. I don't make a lot of money so this clone rifle is a big deal for me (and a testament to my awesome wife's love for me) but I'm not well-heeled enough to make informed decisions based on personal experience... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg: Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Originally Posted By cbfurg: Looking for an optic for my Mod 1. I've got around $1300 to spend. What do you guys suggest? Trying to decide if I drop it all on glass or save some of it to pick up an Aem5... Is the NF the way to go over the Leupold? I've been doing a bunch of research but figured this is the place to come for everything mk12. I've never owned anything higher end than a Vortex PST (which I know isn't high end). I'm currently thinking NF 2.5-10x32 w/ a Larue mount. I'm open to suggestions. Trying to stay as clone correct as possible but I'd like to get as much bang for my buck as I can! Depends on the kind of mod1 your going for. Let's admit....look is everything with these rifles. Function wise....nxs is the way to go. Better glass, more magnification. 2.5-8 Leupy is what was issued with these and are on the majority of mod1's in pics from the wild....not to mention Lone Survivor and American Sniper. It wasn't Hollywood that came up with which glass was used on the rifles from those movies....they were seals. And I've never seen a 3.5-10 issued on one, only put on by the operator. So, it really comes down to what kind of mod1 YOU want to own. After shooting out to 600 yds, the 2.5-8 is growing on me. Wasn't a fan at first, because I do mostly benchrest shooting. But it is lighter and less bulky than my 3.5-10, but not as good for grouping on paper I think. If I were to pick out of anything. ...3.5-15nxs all day Most (all) of the shooting I do is benchrest currently. There is an appeal to me for the issued optic but I've also always wanted a Nightforce. I've heard the hype but never even held one. I'm lost on reticles as well right now... Sorry guys. I'm a noob on this shit. I don't make a lot of money so this clone rifle is a big deal for me (and a testament to my awesome wife's love for me) but I'm not well-heeled enough to make informed decisions based on personal experience... Take that $1300 and use it to buy the suppressor. While you're waiting for it to clear, pinch your pennies for a NF 2.5-10x or 3.5-15x paired with an LT-104. Keep your eyes peeled for EE deals and before you know it, you'll have both the optic AND the suppressor to make your Mod1 too fucking legit to quit. I'm like you, cbfurg. I don't make a great deal of money but I want nice shit and I'm not willing to settle for subpar gear. Don't settle; start the paperwork and the wait for your suppressor NOW. Fuck backup irons until you've covered everything else. Guess how many times I've deployed and used my expensive-ass KAC irons... Exactly ZERO times. 1. Suppressor 2. Glass 3. Irons |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 1:21:51 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Take that $1300 and use it to buy the suppressor. While you're waiting for it to clear, pinch your pennies for a NF 2.5-10x or 3.5-15x paired with an LT-104. Keep your eyes peeled for EE deals and before you know it, you'll have both the optic AND the suppressor to make your Mod1 too fucking legit to quit. I'm like you, cbfurg. I don't make a great deal of money but I want nice shit and I'm not willing to settle for subpar gear. Don't settle; start the paperwork and the wait for your suppressor NOW. Fuck backup irons until you've covered everything else. Guess how many times I've deployed and used my expensive-ass KAC irons... Exactly ZERO times. 1. Suppressor 2. Glass 3. Irons Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By cbfurg:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By cbfurg:
Looking for an optic for my Mod 1. I've got around $1300 to spend. What do you guys suggest? Trying to decide if I drop it all on glass or save some of it to pick up an Aem5... Is the NF the way to go over the Leupold? I've been doing a bunch of research but figured this is the place to come for everything mk12. I've never owned anything higher end than a Vortex PST (which I know isn't high end). I'm currently thinking NF 2.5-10x32 w/ a Larue mount. I'm open to suggestions. Trying to stay as clone correct as possible but I'd like to get as much bang for my buck as I can! Depends on the kind of mod1 your going for. Let's admit....look is everything with these rifles. Function wise....nxs is the way to go. Better glass, more magnification. 2.5-8 Leupy is what was issued with these and are on the majority of mod1's in pics from the wild....not to mention Lone Survivor and American Sniper. It wasn't Hollywood that came up with which glass was used on the rifles from those movies....they were seals. And I've never seen a 3.5-10 issued on one, only put on by the operator. So, it really comes down to what kind of mod1 YOU want to own. After shooting out to 600 yds, the 2.5-8 is growing on me. Wasn't a fan at first, because I do mostly benchrest shooting. But it is lighter and less bulky than my 3.5-10, but not as good for grouping on paper I think. If I were to pick out of anything. ...3.5-15nxs all day Most (all) of the shooting I do is benchrest currently. There is an appeal to me for the issued optic but I've also always wanted a Nightforce. I've heard the hype but never even held one. I'm lost on reticles as well right now... Sorry guys. I'm a noob on this shit. I don't make a lot of money so this clone rifle is a big deal for me (and a testament to my awesome wife's love for me) but I'm not well-heeled enough to make informed decisions based on personal experience... Take that $1300 and use it to buy the suppressor. While you're waiting for it to clear, pinch your pennies for a NF 2.5-10x or 3.5-15x paired with an LT-104. Keep your eyes peeled for EE deals and before you know it, you'll have both the optic AND the suppressor to make your Mod1 too fucking legit to quit. I'm like you, cbfurg. I don't make a great deal of money but I want nice shit and I'm not willing to settle for subpar gear. Don't settle; start the paperwork and the wait for your suppressor NOW. Fuck backup irons until you've covered everything else. Guess how many times I've deployed and used my expensive-ass KAC irons... Exactly ZERO times. 1. Suppressor 2. Glass 3. Irons Yup. Always start the ball rolling on the can above all else and let it be working for you while you get everythimg else. Let alone in a post-41p market where the wait times are really gonna suck. Pic thread. Should have A1 receiver extension before end of the month so I can stop bumming this lower. 
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Posted: 2/4/2016 10:38:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnStoner]
[#41]
If you're an avid shooter and dying to put rounds down range I still say aem5 and buis. I like to take my scope off and ring steel out to 500 with the buis every time I'm at the range. Really enjoy it.
If you're not such an open sights guy and don't mind waiting to shoot- it makes sense like Utah said to aem5 then glass/mount. Interested to see where the BRD takes you. |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 10:42:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnStoner: If you're an avid shooter and dying to put rounds down range I still say aem5 and buis. I take my scope off and ring steel out to 500 with the buis every time I'm at the range. Really enjoy it. If you're not such an open sights guy and don't mind waiting to shoot it makes sense like Utah said to aem5 then glass/mount. True, irons are fun even though I never use mine. But for me, the end-game was to have Tier Juan glass and the proper can, which is why I recommended prioritizing parts in that order. Definitely more than one way to skin the Mk12 cat. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2016 11:03:31 AM EDT
[#43]
I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust?
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Posted: 2/4/2016 12:17:11 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust? Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 2:35:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By minion42: Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By minion42: Originally Posted By cbfurg: I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust? Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. Absolutely set up a trust. And definitely do it now. Throw that PA scope on it and shoot until you have the coin for the NF/LT combo and you'll be glad you did. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2016 2:51:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Absolutely set up a trust. And definitely do it now. Throw that PA scope on it and shoot until you have the coin for the NF/LT combo and you'll be glad you did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By minion42:
Originally Posted By cbfurg:
I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust? Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. Absolutely set up a trust. And definitely do it now. Throw that PA scope on it and shoot until you have the coin for the NF/LT combo and you'll be glad you did. You guys have me sold. I'm waiting to make sure this freelance job goes through and then I'm shopping. Talked to a lawyer buddy today and another thats a dealer about the subject. I'll get moving on the trust. Where did you guys go to buy your aem5? I've talked to Allen on the phone and he was a good guy to talk to. Said he had some knurled ones in stock. Adco's pricing seems to be the best I can find... |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 2:54:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg: You guys have me sold. I'm waiting to make sure this freelance job goes through and then I'm shopping. Talked to a lawyer buddy today and another thats a dealer about the subject. I'll get moving on the trust. Where did you guys go to buy your aem5? I've talked to Allen on the phone and he was a good guy to talk to. Said he had some knurled ones in stock. Adco's pricing seems to be the best I can find... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By minion42: Originally Posted By cbfurg: I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust? Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. Absolutely set up a trust. And definitely do it now. Throw that PA scope on it and shoot until you have the coin for the NF/LT combo and you'll be glad you did. You guys have me sold. I'm waiting to make sure this freelance job goes through and then I'm shopping. Talked to a lawyer buddy today and another thats a dealer about the subject. I'll get moving on the trust. Where did you guys go to buy your aem5? I've talked to Allen on the phone and he was a good guy to talk to. Said he had some knurled ones in stock. Adco's pricing seems to be the best I can find... Both Ron and ADCO are solid vendors. If you Google around, you can write your own trust up for free and spend a few bucks to get it notarized. That's how I did it. Some lawyers want several hundred bucks to draw a revocable living trust up. Shit's crazy. |
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Posted: 2/4/2016 3:20:37 PM EDT
[#48]
My bank notarizes for free, yours might also.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2016 4:21:28 PM EDT
[#49]
id find somewhere other than adco to buy imo. severe lack of communication.
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Posted: 2/4/2016 4:34:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
You guys have me sold. I'm waiting to make sure this freelance job goes through and then I'm shopping. Talked to a lawyer buddy today and another thats a dealer about the subject. I'll get moving on the trust. Where did you guys go to buy your aem5? I've talked to Allen on the phone and he was a good guy to talk to. Said he had some knurled ones in stock. Adco's pricing seems to be the best I can find... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbfurg:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By minion42:
Originally Posted By cbfurg:
I'll have to decide. I'm leaning towards the can right now. I've got a cheap PA 4-14x44 ffp in an ADM mount that I could pull from another rifle to use while I save for the Nightforce... I could shoot now and get the can purchase moving forward. Did you guys use a trust? once the new law takes affect, is there still a point to using a trust? Yes, if you want other people to be able to use your stuff when you're not around. Absolutely set up a trust. And definitely do it now. Throw that PA scope on it and shoot until you have the coin for the NF/LT combo and you'll be glad you did. You guys have me sold. I'm waiting to make sure this freelance job goes through and then I'm shopping. Talked to a lawyer buddy today and another thats a dealer about the subject. I'll get moving on the trust. Where did you guys go to buy your aem5? I've talked to Allen on the phone and he was a good guy to talk to. Said he had some knurled ones in stock. Adco's pricing seems to be the best I can find... As mentioned in the Ops/AE thread, check out High Caliber Sales. I would jump at the chance to get a knurled can. |
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