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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12.  

Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL")

Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR)

Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities.

The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle.

Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment.

The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5).  

Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle"

The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more.  

In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04.  

In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands.
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The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention!

Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW.

The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution.

- Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets]

- Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis)

LOWER
Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
  • Lower: M16A1 pattern [Nodak Spud NDSA1 or 80% re-profiled/finished/engraved]
  • Trigger: Knight's 2-Stage Full Auto Match Trigger or Geissele SSF [KAC semi-auto Match or Geissele SSA/SSA-E]
  • Grip: A1, A2, ERGO Original
  • Stock: Originally issued with A1 stocks, both solid D and trapdoor E types; as A1 stocks dwindled, A2 were used; ModH rifles rebuilt with Ace SOCOM stocks
  • Small parts: Standard M16A1 parts

UPPER
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other.


Early SPR/Mod0
  • Upper: Colt, Diemaco, or Armalite marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen I carbon fiber free-float Handguard, rifle length (identified by button-head screws and one vent hole near barrel nut on lower half; no heat shields)
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR MOD Sleeve (either the PEQ version or with uneven spacing on the front  but not the full 1913 railed version)
  • FSB: PRi early folding front sight base and gas manifold, set-screw, with elevation wheel
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings, #22 Tactical Ring Cap and #22 Tactical Ring Rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40 LR, M3 turrets, Illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]
  • Bipod: Versa-Pod with A.R.M.S. #42, or a Harris with A.R.M.S. #32 (Versa-Pod far inferior to Harris)
Late Mod0
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16.
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, rifle length
  • A.R.M.S. #38 SPR-PEQ-2-3 Sleeve
  • FSB: PRi folding FSB, set-screw, .750 (original production had PRi's full address engraved on sight tower; those engraved with "PRi USA" are later manufacture)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Rear iron sight: A.R.M.S. #40
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
SPR/A, SPR/B, Mod1
  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Douglas 416r SS, 18" SPR contour, 1/7 twist, flats milled for PRi FSB (Compass Lake, Centurion Arms, High Caliber Sales, and PRi can all supply barrels that meet the appropriate spec minus FSB flats)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Knight's Armament M4 Match FF RAS, rifle length (now called the SR15/16 Match FF RAS)
  • Gas block: NSWC Crane pattern (Badger Ordnance parkerized/NSN version is correct, has open front of gas tube hole)
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle device: OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope rings: A.R.M.S. #22 High rings (A.R.M.S. rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.)
  • Optic: Leupold Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle or NightForce 2.5-10x24 (optionally with NightForce rings)
  • Bipod: Harris with KAC RAS bipod adapter (BRM-S, A.R.M.S. #32 could still optionally be used)

ModH, Mod "Holland"

  • Upper: Colt or Diemaco marked, flat top, M4 feed-ramps
  • Barrel: Noveske 16" Recon, mid-length gas system, profiled for OPS Inc. 12th Model brake/collar (will require aftermarket contouring of most barrels)
  • BCG: Colt M-16
  • Handguard: Precision Reflex Gen III carbon fiber free-float handguard, FDE, rifle length
  • Charging handle: PRi Gas Buster M-84 with military latch
  • Muzzle Device: OPS. Inc. 12th Model brake/collar, and 12th Model suppressor [Allen Engineering AEM5 and brake/collar]
  • Scope Rings: A.R.M.S. #22 Medium rings on PRi recce rail (rings should not include "lever-stop" hump as produced later by A.R.M.S.) or LaRue LT-104 SPR mount
  • Optic: Leupold 3-9x36mm TS-30, Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm TS-30A2, M2 turrets with Mk262 BDC, illuminated TMR reticle, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle (use .308 turret) [Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x40mm LR, M3 turrets, illuminated Mil-Dot reticle]; S&B Short-Dot
  • Bipod: Harris with either A.R.M.S. #32 or KAC RAS bipod adapter
  • Iron sights: (apparently PRI were supplied but never used)

In the Wild
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen:

Early SPR/Mod0:
Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on.

Mod1:
One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s.

ModH:
The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection.


Parts Alternatives for Clone Building
Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone.

Barrel:
Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone.

Optics & Rings:
In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings.

A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve:
The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds.

FSB:
While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves.

Suppressor, Brake/Collar:
Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes.

As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all.


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Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers
Bravo Company Manufacturing
High Caliber Sales
Precision Reflex Inc.


Specific Mk12 Tech
Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136
KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137
Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357
Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449
tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792


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As of 16 May 2024, Ron Allen is still making custom parts for his suppressors:
Originally Posted By k31user:

I still make custom stuff.
1-530-742-3248
[email protected]

RonA
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Link Posted: 3/20/2016 9:35:44 AM EDT
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FUCKING RANGE TIME

Torqued the barrel last night. Finally gonna get to shoot this beeitch.

11.2 pounds unloaded with the BA barrel.


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-anfratz, you need a long bottom rail on that bad boy!






-my can took 9 months...post newtown bs. they were down to 3-4mos before the 41p crap. As soon as I got the funds for it the time doubled and I just don't care now lol.
-Wheel man, I am a PRI front flip sight and, arms 40 rear and a swan sleeve away from a dissy Mod 0 wormydog that will piss everyone off and look great with a can I already have LOL.









don't make me do it


 
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 11:38:24 AM EDT
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Whats the deal on this one? What type of rings is this one using? Was this one even used in the field?
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Paid for AEM5 4/8/2015,manufacturer atf approval, form 3 transfer to my dealer 7/17/15,  form 4 trust 7/27/15,   check cleared 8/7/15,   approved 12/17/15,   1/22/16 talked with dealer convinced him to check on form4, 1/29/16 dealer request certified copy,   2/3/16 certified copy request recieved atf,   3/7/16 certified copy sent,   3/11/16 dealer receives certified copy,   3/12/16 suppressor in hand, certified copy no stamp on copy.   dealer says my original form 4 is lost on an inspector's desk and was never mailed.  oh, yeah fun times, 11+ months but very much worth it.
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What's the turn around time looking like with the ATF these days? Looking to order my first can (aem5) this week and was just wondering what to expect!

5 months minimum


Fun times. Looks like I should settle in then...

Paid for AEM5 4/8/2015,manufacturer atf approval, form 3 transfer to my dealer 7/17/15,  form 4 trust 7/27/15,   check cleared 8/7/15,   approved 12/17/15,   1/22/16 talked with dealer convinced him to check on form4, 1/29/16 dealer request certified copy,   2/3/16 certified copy request recieved atf,   3/7/16 certified copy sent,   3/11/16 dealer receives certified copy,   3/12/16 suppressor in hand, certified copy no stamp on copy.   dealer says my original form 4 is lost on an inspector's desk and was never mailed.  oh, yeah fun times, 11+ months but very much worth it.


Don't feel like you are the only one this has happened to.   Mine wasn't quite that long but after 6 months I called atf to talk to my examiner personally.  He looked back through his paperwork and saw that he approved it and "mailed it out."   This was over 30 days after approval.  I did the certified copy thing from him too and then a couple months later my dealer received the actual form 4 in the mail.  He called the examiner back only to find out he retired and several form 4's were also "found" in his desk and promptly mailed.  So my dealer had 2 of these back to back!   What a crock....
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Whats the deal on this one? What type of rings is this one using? Was this one even used in the field?http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x364/farmallh1988/NavyMK12_zpsky3rawgf.jpg
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Those are NightForce lowrider rings. I believe this Mod1 was used in an NSW weapons display for civilians to peruse at a public event of some kind. I'm assuming it wasn't just for show at some point, though I can't say for certain.
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Just listed my NF rings in the ee if anyone was looking for a "will work and be ok on mk12" rings
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Whats the deal on this one? What type of rings is this one using? Was this one even used in the field?<a href="http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/farmallh1988/media/NavyMK12_zpsky3rawgf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x364/farmallh1988/NavyMK12_zpsky3rawgf.jpg</a>
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Nightforce lows.  I would bet money that scope set up came off a Mk14 Mod 1 and was just thrown on the Mk12 for that display.




And here is the opposite:  a Mk14 Mod 1 with 2.5-10 x24 with ARMS 22H....most likely from a Mk12.
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 12:30:40 PM EDT
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Don't feel like you are the only one this has happened to.   Mine wasn't quite that long but after 6 months I called atf to talk to my examiner personally.  He looked back through his paperwork and saw that he approved it and "mailed it out."   This was over 30 days after approval.  I did the certified copy thing from him too and then a couple months later my dealer received the actual form 4 in the mail.  He called the examiner back only to find out he retired and several form 4's were also "found" in his desk and promptly mailed.  So my dealer had 2 of these back to back!   What a crock....
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Originally Posted By cbfurg:
What's the turn around time looking like with the ATF these days? Looking to order my first can (aem5) this week and was just wondering what to expect!

5 months minimum


Fun times. Looks like I should settle in then...

Paid for AEM5 4/8/2015,manufacturer atf approval, form 3 transfer to my dealer 7/17/15,  form 4 trust 7/27/15,   check cleared 8/7/15,   approved 12/17/15,   1/22/16 talked with dealer convinced him to check on form4, 1/29/16 dealer request certified copy,   2/3/16 certified copy request recieved atf,   3/7/16 certified copy sent,   3/11/16 dealer receives certified copy,   3/12/16 suppressor in hand, certified copy no stamp on copy.   dealer says my original form 4 is lost on an inspector's desk and was never mailed.  oh, yeah fun times, 11+ months but very much worth it.


Don't feel like you are the only one this has happened to.   Mine wasn't quite that long but after 6 months I called atf to talk to my examiner personally.  He looked back through his paperwork and saw that he approved it and "mailed it out."   This was over 30 days after approval.  I did the certified copy thing from him too and then a couple months later my dealer received the actual form 4 in the mail.  He called the examiner back only to find out he retired and several form 4's were also "found" in his desk and promptly mailed.  So my dealer had 2 of these back to back!   What a crock....

I hope that happens with mine. I would like to have the damned $200 stamp I paid for.
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I would bet money that scope set up came off a Mk14 Mod 1 and was just thrown on the Mk12 for that display.



http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/536567_432494173434443_425529914130869_1899539_416274099_n_zpswbjswilc.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/28swn7k_zps6mxcullv.jpg



And here is the opposite:  a Mk14 Mod 1 with 2.5-10 x24 with ARMS 22H....most likely from a Mk12.

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/197786_448966541799539_117584665_n1_zpscde5a606.jpg
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Originally Posted By InternationalM:

Whats the deal on this one? What type of rings is this one using? Was this one even used in the field?<a href="http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/farmallh1988/media/NavyMK12_zpsky3rawgf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x364/farmallh1988/NavyMK12_zpsky3rawgf.jpg</a>


I would bet money that scope set up came off a Mk14 Mod 1 and was just thrown on the Mk12 for that display.



http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/536567_432494173434443_425529914130869_1899539_416274099_n_zpswbjswilc.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/28swn7k_zps6mxcullv.jpg



And here is the opposite:  a Mk14 Mod 1 with 2.5-10 x24 with ARMS 22H....most likely from a Mk12.

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/197786_448966541799539_117584665_n1_zpscde5a606.jpg




 
Says a lot about how scopes and parts travel around on different rifles, regardless if photos exist to prove it. It just makes sense.
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Does anyone know if nightforce and arms top rings are interchangeable? As in the Wilcox mrds mount onto arms 22h rings etc (4 hole pattern)
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Does anyone know if nightforce and arms top rings are interchangeable? As in the Wilcox mrds mount onto arms 22h rings etc (4 hole pattern)
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(Hopefully no one leaned too far into that Mk12.  The fucking bipod is on backwards.)
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 2:37:21 PM EDT
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Mod 1 build is being wrapped up shortly, although im having a hard time finding a Leupold at a decent price for it. Think i'm going to wait on the correct optic and get a viable one for now. I mean that intercooler for my supercharged mustang is calling my name now, time for 500whp . Any suggestions for a relatively cheap scope? Looked at the Leupold mark AR scopes and ive seen a few Vortex viper pst 2.5-10x32 ffps at good prices recently. What do you guys think for now? (it'll get a proper mk4 or nightforce someday )
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 4:03:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Took 23 high schoolers shooting this Saturday. Many of them had never shot a gun before.

Taught them about safety, weapons manipulation, etc... needless to say, started them all on the Mk 12 for the first round they've ever fired in their life.

I was a proud papa.

Mk 12 in here somewhere
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 4:22:29 PM EDT
[#14]
Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
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Link Posted: 3/20/2016 4:25:11 PM EDT
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Want to make sure that this is the correct scope before I make a purchase. Doesn't specifically mention it's a TS-30-A2 but does state it has the TS-30-A2 markings and the correct turret? Help is appreciated.

http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark-4-MRT-30mm-Riflescope-P52988.aspx
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Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.

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How'd it group?

 
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 5:19:00 PM EDT
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That 2.5-8 looks "correct". There's also the 3.5-10 M3 and the 3-9 M3 that has shorter eye relief (you can mount it on an AR w/o using an extended base). When it comes to leupolds I usually shop the used market because they are a lot cheaper and the warranty is lifetime.
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Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
http://<a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/20160319_114648-01_zpsz0vaollc.jpeg</a>" />
How'd it group?  

1moa+
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 5:24:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sogan:
Want to make sure that this is the correct scope before I make a purchase. Doesn't specifically mention it's a TS-30-A2 but does state it has the TS-30-A2 markings and the correct turret? Help is appreciated.

http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark-4-MRT-30mm-Riflescope-P52988.aspx
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There's one of these for sale in the EE right now.
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1moa+
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Originally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
http://<a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/20160319_114648-01_zpsz0vaollc.jpeg</a>" />
How'd it group?  

1moa+


MK262 has never grouped for me or anyone else, I've talked to. It shines down range and terminally more than accurately. What I mean is it'll shoot that 1 MOA group out to 600+. I'm intrigued by the new 5.56 TMK and the new Barnes 85 grain'ers. On paper the TMK goes to 1k.

At any rate, try some Nosler 77 grain Custom Comp for small groups. I've had sucsess with these and the nosler 69 grains.
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MK262 has never grouped for me or anyone elseI've talked to. It shines down range and terminally more than accurately. What I mean is it'll shoot that 1 MOA group out to 600+. I'm intrigued by the new 5.56 TMK and the new Barnes 85 grain'ers. On paper the TMK goes to 1k.

At any rate, try some Nosler 77 grain Custom Comp for small groups. I've had sucsess with these and the nosler 69 grains.
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Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
http://<a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/20160319_114648-01_zpsz0vaollc.jpeg</a>" />
How'd it group?  

1moa+


MK262 has never grouped for me or anyone elseI've talked to. It shines down range and terminally more than accurately. What I mean is it'll shoot that 1 MOA group out to 600+. I'm intrigued by the new 5.56 TMK and the new Barnes 85 grain'ers. On paper the TMK goes to 1k.

At any rate, try some Nosler 77 grain Custom Comp for small groups. I've had sucsess with these and the nosler 69 grains.


Try telling Naval Weapons Station Crane that MK262 doesn't group.  I've shoot several good groups with it from 100 yards out to 600 yards including several cleans at 200 yards with it.
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 6:43:26 PM EDT
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Bh gives me .75moa. At distance its disgustingly good.



My special sauce gets me .75-1moa at 100 and matches at distance.




The green tipped sierra TMK vs otm 77gr was exactly the same @100 for me. I shot both on same day from my old recce. .75" @100




My go to load is 24gr of xbr8208 on the 77gr otms. Never pusjed for velocity or tightness...yet. Once i reload i will.




Ramblings from a cloaner to ya'll :)
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Try telling Naval Weapons Station Crane that MK262 doesn't group.  I've shoot several good groups with it from 100 yards out to 600 yards including several cleans at 200 yards with it.
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Originally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
http://<a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/20160319_114648-01_zpsz0vaollc.jpeg</a>" />
How'd it group?  

1moa+


MK262 has never grouped for me or anyone elseI've talked to. It shines down range and terminally more than accurately. What I mean is it'll shoot that 1 MOA group out to 600+. I'm intrigued by the new 5.56 TMK and the new Barnes 85 grain'ers. On paper the TMK goes to 1k.

At any rate, try some Nosler 77 grain Custom Comp for small groups. I've had sucsess with these and the nosler 69 grains.


Try telling Naval Weapons Station Crane that MK262 doesn't group.  I've shoot several good groups with it from 100 yards out to 600 yards including several cleans at 200 yards with it.


'Me or anyone else I've talked to' didn't include Crane, so I'm glad you've got that covered.
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Bh gives me .75moa. At distance its disgustingly good.

My special sauce gets me .75-1moa at 100 and matches at distance.


The green tipped sierra TMK vs otm 77gr was exactly the same @100 for me. I shot both on same day from my old recce. .75" @100


My go to load is 24gr of xbr8208 on the 77gr otms. Never pusjed for velocity or tightness...yet. Once i reload i will.


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.75 is about what I was getting, and like you said it's down range where it shines.
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 7:00:38 PM EDT
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Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!

Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.

Conditions:

48.5 degrees F
4230 feet ASL
4764 Density Altitude
10 mph avg crosswind


Scope has M2 turrets, so here's the DOPE that worked in MOA (with suppressor attached):

Yards / Drop

100: 0.0
200: 1.0
300: 3.5
400: 6.0
500: 10.0
600: 14.5
700: 19.5

Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)

For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps

Those numbers sound about right I think?

Going from M1 to M2 turrets has it's tricky points. We moved the steel to random yardages (337, 455, etc), and a few times I had to kind of guess the best call as I learn the rifle. Such calls would have been easier with 1/4 MOA adjustments.

I will say, though, I'm impressed with this barrel at distance. At 300 yards, this thing was stacking them the equivalent of 0.65 to 0.75 MOA. Not too shabby for a $153 barrel!


Also, here's our hostage setup, target is the white steel inside the "bus": (-1 point for hitting a human, -2 for hitting the dag) Sick shit, eh?


Link Posted: 3/20/2016 7:10:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ankratz:
Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!

Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.

Conditions:

48.5 degrees F
4230 feet ASL
4764 Density Altitude
10 mph avg crosswind


Scope has M2 turrets, so here's the DOPE that worked in MOA (with suppressor attached):

Yards / Drop

100: 0.0
200: 1.0
300: 3.5
400: 6.0
500: 10.0
600: 14.5
700: 19.5

Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)

For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps

Those numbers sound about right I think?

Going from M1 to M2 turrets has it's tricky points. We moved the steel to random yardages (337, 455, etc), and a few times I had to kind of guess the best call as I learn the rifle. Such calls would have been easier with 1/4 MOA adjustments.

I will say, though, I'm impressed with this barrel at distance. At 300 yards, this thing was stacking them the equivalent of 0.65 to 0.75 MOA. Not too shabby for a $153 barrel!


Also, here's our hostage setup, target is the white steel inside the "bus": (-1 point for hitting a human, -2 for hitting the dag) Sick shit, eh?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/MK12/20160320_103456_zpswfqeglks.jpg
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That's awesome haha!
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:


Bh gives me .75moa. At distance its disgustingly good.



My special sauce gets me .75-1moa at 100 and matches at distance.





The green tipped sierra TMK vs otm 77gr was exactly the same @100 for me. I shot both on same day from my old recce. .75" @100





My go to load is 24gr of xbr8208 on the 77gr otms. Never pusjed for velocity or tightness...yet. Once i reload i will.





Ramblings from a cloaner to ya'll :)

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I got about the same results from 77g TMKs and SMKs.  I used the same load, same brass batch, etc.  I had the same dope at 600 last week.  I didn't group on paper because the wind was shifting/fishtailing at upwards of 20mph, but I was able to make consistent hits on 8" steel plates.  
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 7:32:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ankratz:
Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!

Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.

....

Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)

For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps

Those numbers sound about right I think?

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So you were pleased with the Ballistic Advantage barrel?  I got the 18" SPR profile for my mk12 project, can't wait to see how she shoots.

Hopefully continuing my build this week. Need to pick up some roll pins for the upper (didn't lose any springs,but had an awful time without a roll pin starter. So going to get that as well.

Aero Upper
18" Ballistic Advantage SPR barrel
PRI forearm and FSB/ gas block


Is finally going to start looking like a rifle.

Link Posted: 3/20/2016 7:43:35 PM EDT
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So you were pleased with the Ballistic Advantage barrel?  I got the 18" SPR profile for my mk12 project, can't wait to see how she shoots.

Hopefully continuing my build this week. Need to pick up some roll pins for the upper (didn't lose any springs,but had an awful time without a roll pin starter. So going to get that as well.

Aero Upper
18" Ballistic Advantage SPR barrel
PRI forearm and FSB/ gas block


Is finally going to start looking like a rifle.

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Originally Posted By ankratz:
Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!

Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.

....

Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)

For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps

Those numbers sound about right I think?

[Snip]


So you were pleased with the Ballistic Advantage barrel?  I got the 18" SPR profile for my mk12 project, can't wait to see how she shoots.

Hopefully continuing my build this week. Need to pick up some roll pins for the upper (didn't lose any springs,but had an awful time without a roll pin starter. So going to get that as well.

Aero Upper
18" Ballistic Advantage SPR barrel
PRI forearm and FSB/ gas block


Is finally going to start looking like a rifle.



I only put probably 160 or 180 rounds through it today, but with Mk262 Mod1, it shoots like a Mk12! I'm a happy camper.

They have a really nice muzzle on them, too, I noticed when assembling. The crown is significantly recessed, which is a nice feature I've only seen on these barrels. I should have grabbed a photo to post, but it's sweet. They did a great job with these, not to mention the attractive price point.

I was skeptical at first (IE: You get what you pay for), but through that I've never seen a poor review of them on this thread now that I recall.
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I only put probably 160 or 180 rounds through it today, but with Mk262 Mod1, it shoots like a Mk12! I'm a happy camper.

They have a really nice muzzle on them, too, I noticed when assembling. The crown is significantly recessed, which is a nice feature I've only seen on these barrels. I should have grabbed a photo to post, but it's sweet. They did a great job with these, not to mention the attractive price point.

I was skeptical at first (IE: You get what you pay for), but through that I've never seen a poor review of them on this thread now that I recall.
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Originally Posted By RedSS454:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!

Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.

....

Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)

For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps

Those numbers sound about right I think?

[Snip]


So you were pleased with the Ballistic Advantage barrel?  I got the 18" SPR profile for my mk12 project, can't wait to see how she shoots.

Hopefully continuing my build this week. Need to pick up some roll pins for the upper (didn't lose any springs,but had an awful time without a roll pin starter. So going to get that as well.

Aero Upper
18" Ballistic Advantage SPR barrel
PRI forearm and FSB/ gas block


Is finally going to start looking like a rifle.



I only put probably 160 or 180 rounds through it today, but with Mk262 Mod1, it shoots like a Mk12! I'm a happy camper.

They have a really nice muzzle on them, too, I noticed when assembling. The crown is significantly recessed, which is a nice feature I've only seen on these barrels. I should have grabbed a photo to post, but it's sweet. They did a great job with these, not to mention the attractive price point.

I was skeptical at first (IE: You get what you pay for), but through that I've never seen a poor review of them on this thread now that I recall.


Happy to hear for both of us!

The price point was what sold me on them. The Douglas wasn't in my price range, and this was. Heard good things so bit the bullet. Can't wait to get it together. My first build, hopefully more accurate than I am.
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Took 23 high schoolers shooting this Saturday. Many of them had never shot a gun before.



Taught them about safety, weapons manipulation, etc... needless to say, started them all on the Mk 12 for the first round they've ever fired in their life.



I was a proud papa.



Mk 12 in here somewhere

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No classier way to do it.



 
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Didn't group as well as I would have expected....but it was windy out. Averaged around 2,780 FPS.
http://<a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/20160319_114648-01_zpsz0vaollc.jpeg</a>" />How'd it group?  
1moa+

MK262 has never grouped for me or anyone elseI've talked to. It shines down range and terminally more than accurately. What I mean is it'll shoot that 1 MOA group out to 600+. I'm intrigued by the new 5.56 TMK and the new Barnes 85 grain'ers. On paper the TMK goes to 1k.

At any rate, try some Nosler 77 grain Custom Comp for small groups. I've had sucsess with these and the nosler 69 grains.

Try telling Naval Weapons Station Crane that MK262 doesn't group.  I've shoot several good groups with it from 100 yards out to 600 yards including several cleans at 200 yards with it.


'Me or anyone else I've talked to' didn't include Crane, so I'm glad you've got that covered.

Yea, well what I was saying was that for me, with my gun....it was just eh. I've waited years to run it through my mod1, and I really wasn't impressed. I know it's a fuck of a lot better than that 855 shit we've got, but my 77gr hand loaded Noslers group .5moa pretty consistently. But....I've learned over the years that my gun does not like cannelured bullets, so that could be it.
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Just got back from the range with the Mod H, and I'm very pleased. I put 60 rounds of M193 through it to get a copper base, and then switched to the CBC 77gr OTM. I haven't been to the range since (shit....) early December? So I was rusty. My groups averaged 0.75 MOA, but then a single round with good form to confirm on a shoot-and-see bullseye would be dead center, and repeatable about three times!



Barrel is a 16" Ballistic Advantage 1:8, the medium/governmentish profile version.



Conditions:



48.5 degrees F

4230 feet ASL

4764 Density Altitude

10 mph avg crosswind




Scope has M2 turrets, so here's the DOPE that worked in MOA (with suppressor attached):



Yards / Drop



100: 0.0

200: 1.0

300: 3.5

400: 6.0

500: 10.0

600: 14.5

700: 19.5



Applied Ballistics calibrated muzzle velocity to 2775.32 fps (with the can)



For reference, my 18" Doulags 1:7 with the same CBC 77gr OTM calibrates an MV of 2886.39 fps



Those numbers sound about right I think?



Going from M1 to M2 turrets has it's tricky points. We moved the steel to random yardages (337, 455, etc), and a few times I had to kind of guess the best call as I learn the rifle. Such calls would have been easier with 1/4 MOA adjustments.



I will say, though, I'm impressed with this barrel at distance. At 300 yards, this thing was stacking them the equivalent of 0.65 to 0.75 MOA. Not too shabby for a $153 barrel!





Also, here's our hostage setup, target is the white steel inside the "bus": (-1 point for hitting a human, -2 for hitting the dag) Sick shit, eh?



http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/MK12/20160320_103456_zpswfqeglks.jpg

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This post Needs to be stickied on the first page for a complete mod H expectantcy report. Good job sir. I agree with the dopes and all points.



Mine are
100-0

200-2

300-5

400-8

600-16




Based off quick dopes on my M3 7.62 turret
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This post Needs to be stickied on the first page for a complete mod H expectantcy report. Good job sir. I agree with the dopes and all points.

Mine are 100-0
200-2
300-5
400-8
600-16



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Thanks for the confirmation (I assume that's PA elevation?)

I like the fact that the M2 turrets give you some level of tuning, but the nature of the turret seems to be geared towards speed shooting. That is, you have the complete capability of the weapon system in less than one revolution.

I do enjoy the M1 turrets for fine tuning (and reporting more accurate results to velocity calibration algorithms), but I feel like the M2 is geared to "knowing your basic DOPE and getting on target, then fast follow up shots", particularly with the TMR reticle. Combined with the weight and dimension of the Holland, it's a perfect union. I think this is going to be my favorite rifle!

Now, I can't imagine doing what I did today on M3 turrets. They obviously work, or they wouldn't be made, but dang! That's some minute of man stuff right there. Do you ever get frustrated with M3 turrets, or do you prefer them?

Edit: Re-reading my post, I'm finally realizing the point behind the Mk12, perhaps specifically the Mod 1 with the intended Mk4 2.5-8x36 M2. It's not a sniper rifle, it's a way to reach out and touch someone quickly.
I've been missing out on this revelation the whole time with M1 turrets, haha!
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In love with M3 mil/moa.







Yes its all about that:










POP POP POP










"tango on the hill take his ass out!!!"










Mill target........dude takes up 4 mils......well 8 mils =200m, so hes about 400m out. Check turret......400 dope is above 10moa on the turret.



*click up to 10 to 10moa, PSHHHHEWWWW......tango down










And that us what the Mk12 is for ladies and gentlemen.




 
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In love with M3 mil/moa.



Yes its all about that:





POP POP POP





"tango on the hill take his ass out!!!"





Mill target........dude takes up 4 mils......well 8 mils =200m, so hes about 400m out. Check turret......400 dope is above 10moa on the turret.

*click up to 10 to 10moa, PSHHHHEWWWW......tango down





And that us what the Mk12 is for ladies and gentlemen.

 
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If there was ever a need for a "Like" button your post is it.



 
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If there was ever a need for a "Like" button your post is it.
 
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
In love with M3 mil/moa.

Yes its all about that:


POP POP POP


"tango on the hill take his ass out!!!"


Mill target........dude takes up 4 mils......well 8 mils =200m, so hes about 400m out. Check turret......400 dope is above 10moa on the turret.
*click up to 10 to 10moa, PSHHHHEWWWW......tango down


And that us what the Mk12 is for ladies and gentlemen.
 
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Link Posted: 3/20/2016 10:07:04 PM EDT
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Its actually 5 mills =400m..half the stadia...but you get it lol. I havent ranged humans in a bit so forgive my error.....a nut shot vs a torso vs a head....who's counting hahaah
 



But yes that is the essence of the Mk12 for me. And i believe its the best quick shot/quick followup weapons system in the 5.56 chambering
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 10:50:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RedSS454:
So you were pleased with the Ballistic Advantage barrel?  I got the 18" SPR profile for my mk12 project, can't wait to see how she shoots.

Hopefully continuing my build this week. Need to pick up some roll pins for the upper (didn't lose any springs,but had an awful time without a roll pin starter. So going to get that as well.

Aero Upper
18" Ballistic Advantage SPR barrel
PRI forearm and FSB/ gas block


Is finally going to start looking like a rifle.

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I bought a used "SPR" upper off a guy on here that has that barrel and it shoots pretty well, some of the groups have been surprisingly good. It's not overgassed and the crown and chamber are all done properly as well which is more than I can say for some other "cheap" barrels I've bought.
Link Posted: 3/20/2016 11:23:03 PM EDT
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Mk262 stencil making




Link Posted: 3/21/2016 1:31:49 AM EDT
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High Caliber Sale MK12Mod0 Upper good to go? Im a long time lurker and would like to plunge in the mk12 world. Any other suggestions for a complete build?
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 1:53:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By iluvmy86:
High Caliber Sale MK12Mod0 Upper good to go? Im a long time lurker and would like to plunge in the mk12 world. Any other suggestions for a complete build?
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It's definitely good to go.  They make a Mod 1 clone about as close as it's possible to get.  I know they also made the rifles used, or at lease I'm told, for Lone Survivor.
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 6:11:02 AM EDT
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Where are all the Colt parts?! I need to finish my Mod 1!

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Link Posted: 3/21/2016 8:19:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By reswob:


Where are all the Colt parts?! I need to finish my Mod 1!



http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/ramen01/Pew/11.jpg
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Damn, that's pretty.





Needs some paint though.



 
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 9:41:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
In love with M3 mil/moa.

Yes its all about that:


POP POP POP


"tango on the hill take his ass out!!!"


Mill target........dude takes up 4 mils......well 8 mils =200m, so hes about 400m out. Check turret......400 dope is above 10moa on the turret.
*click up to 10 to 10moa, PSHHHHEWWWW......tango down


And that us what the Mk12 is for ladies and gentlemen.
 
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Oh, so that's what the company name Tango Down means!

*embarrassed*
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 11:49:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Mk262 stencil making

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg</a>
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I think it says mod1. I'm not home right now though
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 11:54:30 AM EDT
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I think it says mod1. I'm not home right now though
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:

Mk262 stencil making



<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg</a>



I think it says mod1. I'm not home right now though




 
Doesn't matter. The only difference is the Mod number and the lot number.
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 11:54:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:





I think it says mod1. I'm not home right now though
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:

Mk262 stencil making



<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ermey/media/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/20160320_222113_zpsheficrkg.jpg</a>



I think it says mod1. I'm not home right now though
It says mod 1. Just checked the 501st pics

 



LOL
Link Posted: 3/21/2016 12:25:12 PM EDT
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What's the going rate on a set of non lever stop 22m arms rings?
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