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Posted: 7/1/2015 6:00:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2015 6:47:35 AM EDT
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Some people are such cunts, and their shit's all retarded.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 6:53:42 AM EDT
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Question: If ISIS attacks me this 4th of July, and I shoot them down, is it a safety violation if I have my weapon on 'fire' mode? Of course shooting bad guys would require you to place the weapon on fire. Except you're pissing in your socks during an attack. You and I both know , you aint doing a fucking thing. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:26:22 AM EDT
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Yup, the Glock and Dryfire argument do fit within the framework of the rules of safety, as both run the risk of there being a live round in the gun. Therefore its imperative to treat them as if there is a possibility of discharge and all that is entailed with that (Because weapons must always be treated as loaded!). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When it goes over the top, to the point of getting simply silly, it just starts sounding stupid - and the message is lost. Hence lots of questions about dry firing, Glocks, guns without safeties. They know you break those rules at times, and there are times where they can be done safely with the proper precautions. Then, even those with only a moderate number of brain cells to rub together write you off as a hypocrite. How many, especially younger folks, don't respect police officers for handing out speeding tickets because they see the same ones flying down the street to go grab some donuts. Then all respect is lost. The whole Glock argument is a typical "gotcha" type response. The fact that you have to drop the striker to disassemble a Glock has no bearing on whether or not keeping an AR with a magazine inserted on fire is a safe and professional practice. Same with the dry firing argument. To claim there are instances where you technically violate a safety rule for training purposes, makes it acceptable to violate safety rules in all other instances, is a false conclusion. In regards to losing respect, I don't need people to respect me. I am right. That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:30:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:38:48 AM EDT
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That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When it goes over the top, to the point of getting simply silly, it just starts sounding stupid - and the message is lost. Hence lots of questions about dry firing, Glocks, guns without safeties. They know you break those rules at times, and there are times where they can be done safely with the proper precautions. Then, even those with only a moderate number of brain cells to rub together write you off as a hypocrite. How many, especially younger folks, don't respect police officers for handing out speeding tickets because they see the same ones flying down the street to go grab some donuts. Then all respect is lost. The whole Glock argument is a typical "gotcha" type response. The fact that you have to drop the striker to disassemble a Glock has no bearing on whether or not keeping an AR with a magazine inserted on fire is a safe and professional practice. Same with the dry firing argument. To claim there are instances where you technically violate a safety rule for training purposes, makes it acceptable to violate safety rules in all other instances, is a false conclusion. In regards to losing respect, I don't need people to respect me. I am right. That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:52:58 AM EDT
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http://i62.tinypic.com/fadhk8.jpg Use your safety, Billy. You'll have a WHALE of a time explaining your ND to the cops! 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:06:51 AM EDT
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I'm done trolling john .... Cheers JB 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:11:16 AM EDT
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Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quoted:
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Lol ok boss. I had a large piece typed up bashing you but that's not my style. So I'm assuming your vision isn't very good or your attention to detail is poor, either way I already gave you an answer you just failed to grasp it. And your Glock safety argument is fucking clown shoes 
Like serious fucking clown shoes ... Are 13? Is that your edgy response? I just assumed you were an adult? But let me know when you have something original. I got a couple of nerf guns, want pictures of those too  
Very young child with a machine gun AND their finger on the trigger. It's cool though, it's on safe. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:23:06 AM EDT
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Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quoted:
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Since Nick broke the ice on kid pics 
I can't tell if the safety is engaged? This was a long time ago... But he looks pretty professional That's a goddamn bigger violation than whether the safety is on or not. The muzzle is dangerously close to his head. If it went off and the bullet missed or only grazed him, the muzzle blast stands a good chance of ruining his right eye for good. You're right, it would probably sting a bit. Might even break skin... Muzzle dangerously close to the eye? Attitude? Meh, low chance of breaking skin. It looks like it could be Airsoft, but OP isn't saying if it is or not. And if so, it's painted to look real. Ever fire bullpups? One time, at a public range I went from a few other traditional rifles to an FS2000. There were denim sandbags there for rests on the benches. After a few shots, I noticed that I was getting blasted by sand. The blast from the muzzle blew a large hole in denim from jeans a few inches away. This is from a 17.6" 5.56 barreled rifle with a little less pressure than a 14.5-16" 5.56 barreled rifle. If it can blast a hole in denim from that distance, it could give your unprotected eyes a very bad day. ETA: Just a few examples from only the past 2 or 3 pages. Pictures are easy to find.  Not going to bother reading through 40 some pages, but the lackadaisical attitude is there.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:33:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very young child with a machine gun toy AND their finger on the trigger. It's cool though, it's on safe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quoted: Quoted: Lol ok boss. I had a large piece typed up bashing you but that's not my style. So I'm assuming your vision isn't very good or your attention to detail is poor, either way I already gave you an answer you just failed to grasp it. And your Glock safety argument is fucking clown shoes Like serious fucking clown shoes ... Are 13? Is that your edgy response? I just assumed you were an adult? But let me know when you have something original. I got a couple of nerf guns, want pictures of those too http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/shade_1313/IMG_0297_zps5d10eb48.jpg Very young child with a machine gun toy AND their finger on the trigger. It's cool though, it's on safe. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Fixed, for a sucker. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. I was suspicious. 
No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera.
I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:51:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was suspicious. No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera. I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fixed, for a sucker. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. I was suspicious. No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera. I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:54:42 AM EDT
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http://i62.tinypic.com/fadhk8.jpg Use your safety, Billy. You'll have a WHALE of a time explaining your ND to the cops! Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://i62.tinypic.com/fadhk8.jpg Use your safety, Billy. You'll have a WHALE of a time explaining your ND to the cops! reminds me, I saw some aquatic safety in the sbr forum the other day Quoted:
From supers for pigs to subs for carp a 1-4 is the ticket. <a href="http://s3.photobucket.com/user/ptaylor/media/68321dbc-00e0-4f21-9d29-874b5101e8ec_zpspk3bdfet.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/ptaylor/68321dbc-00e0-4f21-9d29-874b5101e8ec_zpspk3bdfet.jpg</a>  #giveacarpaboutsafety |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:02:59 AM EDT
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From that angle, you wouldn't have been able to tell anyway. No marks, dummy rounds feeding into the dummy feed tray, no telltales (that I know of) like the fat, nonhollow grip on an "AR". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fixed, for a sucker. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. I was suspicious.
No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera.
I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera. Don't forget the neon green battery pack in the forearm. I'm lackadaisical about toys 
Now, remove ammunition feeding source, remove battery, hammer...uhm motor down? I don't know, I'm going Whale hunting 
Challenge has been accepted! |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:06:07 AM EDT
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Lets sticky delete this thread fixed There's an old story about a Texas Ranger. Seems a lady observed his holstered 1911 in condition one (cocked, locked, ready to rock). Flustered, she exclaimed "Isn't that dangerous?" He calmly replied "I damn sure hope so, ma'am", tipped his hat and went about his business. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:19:02 AM EDT
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Don't forget the neon green battery pack in the forearm. I'm lackadaisical about toys
Now, remove ammunition feeding source, remove battery, hammer...uhm motor down? I don't know, I'm going Whale hunting
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Fixed, for a sucker. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. I was suspicious.
No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera.
I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera. Don't forget the neon green battery pack in the forearm. I'm lackadaisical about toys
Now, remove ammunition feeding source, remove battery, hammer...uhm motor down? I don't know, I'm going Whale hunting
Challenge has been accepted! On your pic I mentioned the possibility of Airsoft. ;) 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:21:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On your pic I mentioned the possibility of Airsoft. ;) http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2014/12/youll-shoot-your-eye-out-christmas-story.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fixed, for a sucker. Lord, but I wish I had a real M-60. I was suspicious. No fair though, if you're gonna pull that do it with a better camera. I looked but it's very hard to tell by the resolution & quality. My trap was set with a 20MP camera. Don't forget the neon green battery pack in the forearm. I'm lackadaisical about toys Now, remove ammunition feeding source, remove battery, hammer...uhm motor down? I don't know, I'm going Whale hunting Challenge has been accepted! On your pic I mentioned the possibility of Airsoft. ;) http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2014/12/youll-shoot-your-eye-out-christmas-story.gif  |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:22:48 AM EDT
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Muzzle dangerously close to the eye? Attitude? Meh, low chance of breaking skin. It looks like it could be Airsoft, but OP isn't saying if it is or not. And if so, it's painted to look real. Ever fire bullpups? One time, at a public range I went from a few other traditional rifles to an FS2000. There were denim sandbags there for rests on the benches. After a few shots, I noticed that I was getting blasted by sand. The blast from the muzzle blew a large hole in denim from jeans a few inches away. This is from a 17.6" 5.56 barreled rifle with a little less pressure than a 14.5-16" 5.56 barreled rifle. If it can blast a hole in denim from that distance, it could give your unprotected eyes a very bad day. ETA: Just a few examples from only the past 2 or 3 pages. Pictures are easy to find. Not going to bother reading through 40 some pages, but the lackadaisical attitude is there.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could you point to where anyone in this thread is saying to ignore the other rules of safety when the safety is engaged? Anyone recommending pointing the firearm that's on safe at something they do not wish to shoot? Anyone telling you it's fine to stick your finger on the trigger if the safety's on? Quoted:
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Since Nick broke the ice on kid pics
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz7/serinobw/KillerRyetall_zpsh0c7pkbh.jpg I can't tell if the safety is engaged? This was a long time ago... But he looks pretty professional That's a goddamn bigger violation than whether the safety is on or not. The muzzle is dangerously close to his head. If it went off and the bullet missed or only grazed him, the muzzle blast stands a good chance of ruining his right eye for good. You're right, it would probably sting a bit. Might even break skin... Muzzle dangerously close to the eye? Attitude? Meh, low chance of breaking skin. It looks like it could be Airsoft, but OP isn't saying if it is or not. And if so, it's painted to look real. Ever fire bullpups? One time, at a public range I went from a few other traditional rifles to an FS2000. There were denim sandbags there for rests on the benches. After a few shots, I noticed that I was getting blasted by sand. The blast from the muzzle blew a large hole in denim from jeans a few inches away. This is from a 17.6" 5.56 barreled rifle with a little less pressure than a 14.5-16" 5.56 barreled rifle. If it can blast a hole in denim from that distance, it could give your unprotected eyes a very bad day. ETA: Just a few examples from only the past 2 or 3 pages. Pictures are easy to find. Not going to bother reading through 40 some pages, but the lackadaisical attitude is there.You do realize that BillyDoubleU is in the hammer down crowd, correct? So you quoted one picture from a guy who's kid has a toy M60, and another from a guy who isn't arguing about using the safety? Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:32:25 AM EDT
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Some people are such cunts, and their shit's all retarded. It's not their fault. Safety violators are shown to have smaller brains, which function at a much lower level than normal people. We have to be extremely patient with them, and try our best not to be offended by their foul body odor. Like animals, they too are capable of learning through repetition. We must teach them. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:36:44 AM EDT
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Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:44:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really. At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really. At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:45:54 AM EDT
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It's not their fault. Safety violators are shown to have smaller brains, which function at a much lower level than normal people. We have to be extremely patient with them, and try our best not to be offended by their foul body odor. Like animals, they too are capable of learning through repetition. We must teach them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some people are such cunts, and their shit's all retarded. It's not their fault. Safety violators are shown to have smaller brains, which function at a much lower level than normal people. We have to be extremely patient with them, and try our best not to be offended by their foul body odor. Like animals, they too are capable of learning through repetition. We must teach them. I thought about that as I was going to bed last night. Seems people learn best when they are young. I first learned at about age 12. The instructor at the rifle range at scout camp was in the Corps. If someone broke one of the rules he put the fear of god in them and made damn sure they wouldn't do it again. Good parenting probably has something to with it as well, I doubt many shitty parents were spending the bucks sending their kids off to summer camp.
Do that with an adult at a range, and kick them out. A good many will just get pissy about being kicked out from a range nazi, and learn nothing. Of course, I often forget there are some drooling morons out there and I have often been guilty of placing too much faith in the human race. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:46:54 AM EDT
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Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Agree? It's a false dichotomy. Using the safety—if the weapon is equipped with one—is part of safe firearms handling. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:49:01 AM EDT
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You do realize that BillyDoubleU is in the hammer down crowd, correct? So you quoted one picture from a guy who's kid has a toy M60, and another from a guy who isn't arguing about using the safety? Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? I am more in the "Complacency Kills" crowd regardless mechanical safety features of a given firearm. Some seem to have glanced over that but imho complacency is the actual problem. Not all firearms have a mechanical safety, treat all firearms as loaded. If a safety is available use it as appropriate. Always know the status of your firearm and never lose respect for it and become complacent. If the hammer is to be dropped, unload, verify an empty and clear chamber, safe direction, drop hammer. I've already posted this exact thing multiple times but whatever. The point of the picture was to point out that you can't always know the condition of a firearm in a picture and you don't always know what's real and what's not. It becomes nothing more than assumption. And that was just good father son time playing around when he was playing dress up. Sometimes he dresses as a knight and even a bomber pilot, always fun, sword unsheathed of course
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:54:23 AM EDT
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http://i62.tinypic.com/fadhk8.jpg Use your safety, Billy. You'll have a WHALE of a time explaining your ND to the cops! Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://i62.tinypic.com/fadhk8.jpg Use your safety, Billy. You'll have a WHALE of a time explaining your ND to the cops! That's gross. I bet the guy smells worse than the whale carcass. I never knew whale killers were so unsafe.
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... I'm done trolling john .... Cheers JB Thank you Billy
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:57:50 AM EDT
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Why the non-quote from me? Are you implying that I am or have ignored the safety rules, while arguing for the use of the safety? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Nope, the only point as I'll say again that we seemed to be arguing for the sake of arguing. 
I'm just saying some careless attitudes have been posted. Both of us posted deceiving pics to try to prove a point. (Not necessarily careless attitudes in either). I don't want to go through over 2,250 posts... Do you? I'm just saying we agree, and let's leave it at that. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, the only point as I'll say again that we seemed to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm just saying some careless attitudes have been posted. Both of us posted deceiving pics to try to prove a point. (Not necessarily careless attitudes in either). I don't want to go through over 2,250 posts... Do you? I'm just saying we agree, and let's leave it at that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really. At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Nope, the only point as I'll say again that we seemed to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm just saying some careless attitudes have been posted. Both of us posted deceiving pics to try to prove a point. (Not necessarily careless attitudes in either). I don't want to go through over 2,250 posts... Do you? I'm just saying we agree, and let's leave it at that. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:06:52 AM EDT
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Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Somewhat. I believe that use of the safety is part of safe firearms handling. I agree that one should not rely on it (as in they should follow all the other safety rules as well), and that it is simply another layer of safety that works toward preventing negligent and accidental discharges. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:09:04 AM EDT
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I thought about that as I was going to bed last night. Seems people learn best when they are young. I first learned at about age 12. The instructor at the rifle range at scout camp was in the Corps. If someone broke one of the rules he put the fear of god in them and made damn sure they wouldn't do it again. Good parenting probably has something to with it as well, I doubt many shitty parents were spending the bucks sending their kids off to summer camp.
Do that with an adult at a range, and kick them out. A good many will just get pissy about being kicked out from a range nazi, and learn nothing. Of course, I often forget there are some drooling morons out there and I have often been guilty of placing too much faith in the human race. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some people are such cunts, and their shit's all retarded. It's not their fault. Safety violators are shown to have smaller brains, which function at a much lower level than normal people. We have to be extremely patient with them, and try our best not to be offended by their foul body odor. Like animals, they too are capable of learning through repetition. We must teach them. I thought about that as I was going to bed last night. Seems people learn best when they are young. I first learned at about age 12. The instructor at the rifle range at scout camp was in the Corps. If someone broke one of the rules he put the fear of god in them and made damn sure they wouldn't do it again. Good parenting probably has something to with it as well, I doubt many shitty parents were spending the bucks sending their kids off to summer camp.
Do that with an adult at a range, and kick them out. A good many will just get pissy about being kicked out from a range nazi, and learn nothing. Of course, I often forget there are some drooling morons out there and I have often been guilty of placing too much faith in the human race. I learned from my parents. They were both Marines too. 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:55:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup, the Glock and Dryfire argument do fit within the framework of the rules of safety, as both run the risk of there being a live round in the gun. Therefore its imperative to treat them as if there is a possibility of discharge and all that is entailed with that (Because weapons must always be treated as loaded!). That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 "Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that." That's what I've been saying since the beginning, and never once said the safety was to be relied on. Literally every post I've made advocated for that very same mindset. I'm glad I finally got through to you and you now holistically understand safety. Now that you get it, hopefully you won't take anymore pictures of firearms with the safety off. See guys? Safety Science works, and anyone, even the most obstinate can see the light! This is why I put up with being called a liar, an unsafe shooter, and all the other nasty things Gator said, I knew with patience he would come around. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:04:54 PM EDT
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This is why I put up with being called a liar, an unsafe shooter, and all the other nasty things Gator said, I knew with patience he would come around. This is the only point of contention, that was a 2-way street. In the interest of safety, water under the bridge. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:15:36 PM EDT
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"Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that." That's what I've been saying since the beginning, and never once said the safety was to be relied on. Literally every post I've made advocated for that very same mindset. I'm glad I finally got through to you and you now holistically understand safety. Now that you get it, hopefully you won't take anymore pictures of firearms with the safety off. See guys? Safety Science works, and anyone, even the most obstinate can see the light! This is why I put up with being called a liar, an unsafe shooter, and all the other nasty things Gator said, I knew with patience he would come around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yup, the Glock and Dryfire argument do fit within the framework of the rules of safety, as both run the risk of there being a live round in the gun. Therefore its imperative to treat them as if there is a possibility of discharge and all that is entailed with that (Because weapons must always be treated as loaded!). That's exactly the point. With a gun on safe, can you say with 100% certainty it will not discharge? Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that. A safe and responsible gun owner doesn't handle a gun with the safety on any differently than when it's off. This guy understands gun safety. (And if you do actually care about safety, watch this video. One min and 17 seconds of your life may make you a safer gun owner.) http://www.break.com/video/safety-malfunction-on-new-gun-2847956 That's what I've been saying since the beginning, and never once said the safety was to be relied on. Literally every post I've made advocated for that very same mindset. I'm glad I finally got through to you and you now holistically understand safety. Now that you get it, hopefully you won't take anymore pictures of firearms with the safety off. See guys? Safety Science works, and anyone, even the most obstinate can see the light! This is why I put up with being called a liar, an unsafe shooter, and all the other nasty things Gator said, I knew with patience he would come around. That's been my message the whole time. Glad we both agree. I'll drink to that, without my AR in hand.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:18:06 PM EDT
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This has got to be the longest troll thread ever! Gotta love it.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:23:33 PM EDT
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This has got to be the longest troll thread ever! Gotta love it. Safety is no kidding matter. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:24:02 PM EDT
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Agree? It's a false dichotomy. Using the safety—if the weapon is equipped with one—is part of safe firearms handling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Care to actually find a post of someone actually arguing for the use of the safety, whilst ignoring all other safety rules? Care to re-read this train wreck of a thread? Not really.
At this point you guys you just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Not that it isn't fun at times. Who here in this thread is going to admit they broke a rule because they got careless due to the safety being on? I'm betting no one. I've seen the rules broken due to faith in a safety (empty too, incidentally) by people from all walks of life many times and almost everyone here has denied the possibility of it. It seems we agree that a safety switch doesn't replace safe firearms handling. Can we simply agree on that? Agree? It's a false dichotomy. Using the safety—if the weapon is equipped with one—is part of safe firearms handling. Quit the mental exercises. I will state that it is a fact that some people have gotten complacent because a safety was on, or they thought it was. (Not necessarily anyone here). Engage the safety, but don't trust it. Follow the four rules. The science is sound. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:29:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's been my message the whole time. Glad we both agree. I'll drink to that, without my AR in hand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's been my message the whole time. Glad we both agree. I'll drink to that, without my AR in hand. Praise Jeff Cooper!
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:30:51 PM EDT
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peace be upon Lt Col Cooper
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:33:31 PM EDT
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I will state that it is a fact that some people have gotten complacent because a safety was on, or they thought it was. (Not necessarily anyone here). And some people have gotten complacent because the muzzle was pointed in a safe direction so they don't treat their AR like it is loaded and engage the safety. Same mindset. Follow all the rules. If your AR is not on safe when you are not shooting things then you are not treating like it is loaded and are violation Rule #1. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:47:53 PM EDT
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Don't sell your improvement over 10+ pages short, You used to put safety violating pics up trolling the thread and admitted you only did it yin your words to be "A smartasss". Now you know why that was wrong. Now you can consistently be safe and stop living a life of hypocrisy! Praise Jeff Cooper! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here we go again, getting lost on minutiae. You said "mere best practices" Mere adjective the smallest or slightest. I get now you didn't mean it, but your choice of words marginalized the importance of them. So let's just both drop the silly little details, Mkay? We both truly mean the same thing. "Engage the safety. Don't trust it to save your bacon. Don't break the four rules, whether it's on or not. It's as simple as that." ETA: +1 Praise Jeff Cooper!
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:50:19 PM EDT
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I bet H can find at least 3 more ND posts from dirty safety violators that criticize this thread before we hit 50
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Posted: 7/1/2015 1:05:17 PM EDT
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peace be upon Lt Col Cooper
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Posted: 7/1/2015 2:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fixed There's an old story about a Texas Ranger. Seems a lady observed his holstered 1911 in condition one (cocked, locked, ready to rock). Flustered, she exclaimed "Isn't that dangerous?" He calmly replied "I damn sure hope so, ma'am", tipped his hat and went about his business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets sticky delete this thread fixed There's an old story about a Texas Ranger. Seems a lady observed his holstered 1911 in condition one (cocked, locked, ready to rock). Flustered, she exclaimed "Isn't that dangerous?" He calmly replied "I damn sure hope so, ma'am", tipped his hat and went about his business. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 3:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: peace be upon Lt Col Cooper |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 4:46:52 PM EDT
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Oh goodie, more of John's hunting pics ??
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This does not ever happen when the safety is engaged. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/c2f584f8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/c2f584f8.jpg</a> Engage your safety unless you intend on killin.  |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:57:15 PM EDT
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Oh goodie, more of John's hunting pics ?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This does not ever happen when the safety is engaged. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/c2f584f8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/c2f584f8.jpg</a> Engage your safety unless you intend on killin. It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Here is one from training. Mike Pannone Advanced Carbine. That is my AR on the deck right behind Mike. It's on safe.
You should hang some picts.
It's fun when the thread is about AR picts. 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:06:28 PM EDT
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See even girls with no shoe laces know how to properly place a rifle on safe when it is not actively t-zoning fools.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:47:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:56:15 PM EDT
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Lol. Carrie has her shoes laced up because of the snow but still engages that safety. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg</a> Girls love those safeties. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See even girls with no shoe laces know how to properly place a rifle on safe when it is not actively t-zoning fools. Lol. Carrie has her shoes laced up because of the snow but still engages that safety. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg</a> Girls love those safeties. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg</a> Where are you finding these safety conscious presumably sweet smelling and intelligent women!?! |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:33:07 PM EDT
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See even girls with no shoe laces know how to properly place a rifle on safe when it is not actively t-zoning fools. Lol. Carrie has her shoes laced up because of the snow but still engages that safety. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Carrie%20shooting/DSC00340_zpsa961650b.jpg</a> Girls love those safeties. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/GreybullPrecision/media/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/Martinez%20Girls%20Winter%20Shooting/DSC00818_zps7b727f77.jpg</a> Where are you finding these safety conscious presumably sweet smelling and intelligent women!?! My sisters are good at raising kids.
The white spots between the girls are antelopes that have been reduced to possession. 
Then there are girls who love shooting and hunting but strangely prefer not to be shot from an ND. Weird? 
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