Read the article. Just bought a vehicle last month.

Car dealers are still scummy, shifty con men.

"How much is the car?"
-Well.......how much can you afford?
"That's not the question. How much is the car."
-Well, how much monthly payment can you afford?
"HOW MUCH IS THE FUCKING CAR?"
-Well, shoot me a number, and I can talk to the sales manager.

Four percent profit. Please.

Fuck dealers, they've been criminally corrupt for 75 years and if they're suffering I delight in their agony.

the price is a lot higher when you have dissatisfied clientele  in that business
if not out right violence , funny dopers are very much into customer reviews

When an industry as a whole has worked hard to earn a reputation of deceit and screwing over customers with out them finding out they deserve everything bt of poor PR and public perception they get.

LOL

would GD be happier if pricing was just MSRP minus applicable rebates (if any) and if you didnt like it, gtfo?  you know, the way it is at pretty much every other retailer...

Fuck dealers and their SOB story article...

Most people spend more money on groceries then they do on their car.

You never hear people trying to negotiate with the grocery store clerk.

You never hear people claiming a grocery store is ripping them off.

Grocery stores generally have a higher margin and thus more room to negotiate than a car dealer does.

People are just stupid ..... that is all.


NO I do not work for a car dealer, so fuck anyone  for thinking I do!!!!          

You obviously haven't seen a Whole Foods thread on here.

 

Auto dealers have earned the reputation they have. On the other hand Arfcom likes capitalism - but not too much capitalism.

I hate salesmen.

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Go ahead, we'll wait.

Did one kick your puppy?

Car dealers are the scum of Earth! Prove me wrong!

How? Because some fool allowed themselves to pay more for a car by not doing any research and taking whatever options and interest rate the F&I guy tossed their way?

No one has ever explained how dealers actually fuck people. The people fuck themselves.

I've never bought a new car from a dealer

But I have had a dealer deliberately try to hide a major transmission leak on a "certified" used truck they had

Most folks will drive across town to save $20 on a pair of shoes or pants.

They should do the same on a car

$20 is $20, regardless of the item purchased.

Period.

Txl

Invoice plus 3%! Car dealers need to go suck an ebola infested cock!

Go open a dealership and show us all how it's done. Should the gov set pricing? To save the idiots from themselves? It's for the children.

This thread is clown shoes.

I traded my 2010 Mustang GT for my 2012 Roush. They gave me 21k. I was hapoy. I owed 17k. They sold it 2 days later for 28.9k.

Now that is definitely bullshit, and I would have dragged their name through the mud and called GM/Ford/whoever had the new side of the dealership.

that also makes zero sense to hide it because the manufacturer will cover that under the CPO warranty and pay their service dept to fix it



 

Unless it wasn't really certified. Even if it had a warranty, dealers don't want to put the time in it until it's sold.

The point is that so many dealers try to fuck everyone who walks through the door.  The buyer needs to know how much the purchase price should be compared to msrp, how much their trade should be worth, what finance rates should be, and then they have to watch for hidden add-ons, and then after that they still have to be able to decipher 27 lines of seemingly incoherent numbers that somehow add up to what you're actually paying.  I always love the horrified looks I get from salesmen when they realize I comprehend math.

What other item do you buy where you have to worry about the salesman trying to fuck you 4 or 5 different ways?  And what other item does a normal person spend more on than a new car, besides a house?  Go ahead, I'll wait.

AAAAHH-FUCKING-HA!!

Really? Reeeaalllllyy??

To ask? Absolutely. They have the right to ask retail price, retail price x2, margin x4, $1, or ASK what the hell ever they want. So what?

lol

No, it's not.

Your bias is showing.

You impose no obligation on the customer by doing anything. Zero. The customer does not 'owe' you the sale because you were 'super nice' to them. And all that over $50... really?

Holy shit, if there's one thing you can do, it's reinforce a Gorram stereotype.

Yup.  I bought a used truck from a dealership last year that was priced fairly and he offered more for my trade than anyone else had but as soon as the deal was done I wondered what was wrong with the vehicle I'd just bought.

If you go into the new car buying process knowing that you're likely getting fucked, it will go much smoother

When I bought my truck last year I got 3 online quotes. All were about the same in price but one dealer found a way to make me eligible for another $1k rebate that the other two dealers did not want to give me. I bought from him and moved on with my life.

Don't forget undercoating.
Your car really needs that in those cold AL months.
Or an extra $85 for Nitrogen filled tires.
Those green valve stem covers ain't cheap, yo.

That's bullshit.  I spent several months looking for a truck last year and nearly every dealership tried to use their 4 square to rape me without lube.  Saying you're getting this interest rate but when you do the math yourself it's actually much higher.  Trying to screw you on your trade, it was a horrible experience.  Their may be some halfway honest car salesmen out there but they are in the minority.

Cause and effect? Look at the whole picture.

EZ Car Dealership 101

1. Have cash or good credit. Money talks, bullshit walks.
2. Know what you want to buy. I love having informed customers that have a general idea of what they want.
3. Go to either a "no haggle" dealership or a non-chain dealership. The sleazebags are usually in chain Auto-Malls
4. BUY NEW! The mark-up is on the used lot.
5. Sales actually aren't the bad guys..... F&I does the ass-fucking.
6. If you are being an asshole at Place A, Place B-Z will know about 5 minutes after you are there. Its like a 200 mile sewing circle
7. Most of the time, the waiting is due to detail getting your car clean. You can get out faster if you tell them you do not want to wait for detail.
8. If there ain't price tags on used cars, run away from that dealership.
9. If you have a good experience, tell everyone you know. Leave reviews, recommend the actual salesman you used, etc. That fucks the bad places/salesmen
10. Ask questions and pay attention. Good sales staff will admit they don't the answer to a question, but will find out. Also ask their opinions, usually we will tell you good/bad if you simply ask.

BONUS APR 0.00% FOR 87 MONTHS
11. Sales hates long bullshit sessions too. Be straight-forward, polite, and firm for a quick & EZ experience.

If you bought a new car and didn't feel like you were getting shafted.......

You probably had no idea what you were doing.

The older I get and the more I learn, the more I hate car dealers.

I got our last vehicle during a parts/inventory shortage for 4K less than sticker.

Color and optioned the way we wanted.

I also got 2.9% financing, which the "finance officer" argued did not exist until my wife pulled the offer up on her I-phone, on the manufacturer's webpage.

"Huh, no one else has asked for that" the guy whose job it is to know these things, said.



6 oil changes thrown in to make up for the BS "doc fee" that was 4X the industry average.

I still felt unclean afterwards.

I should be able to order a Type 56 AKM straight from the factory if I want.... but that shit ain't happening either.

Doesn't understand the contract. Signs it anyway.

Is $30k not worth a few hours of research?
Every phone has a calculator.

You're still blaming a dealership for the failure of the purchaser.

Then why did you buy it?

Be careful what you wish for.....



When I have a catalog problem with a part on a Ford product, I cannot just pick up the phone and call someone.  No, I have to send a message through their system and then wait for an answer.  Maybe I'll get one today.  Maybe I won't.  Today's demanding instant gratification customer-is-always-right customer....well I laugh at them having to deal with that type of tomorrow.  When we were sitting in our insurance meetings last year, being told of the inevitable price hike due to the new regulations, there were several people in there that were having trouble with the hope and change that they themselves voted for.  That their rates were going up in order to cover the rest of America, was lost on even the most vocal one complaining about loosing another $80-$100 a paycheck as she stated, "I thought they wouldn't be able to deny us coverage?!"  I was both extremely satisfied and saddened at the same time, them reaping what they sow.  But I digress.....


Son, we live in a world that has cars, and those cars have to be sold by men with dealerships. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Tomislav? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for reliable transportation, and you curse the service department rates . You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That dealing with the mothership, while problematic, probably saves lives. And my resistance in believing you actually know wtf you are driving, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want to deal with corporate directly because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me as the middleman, you need me as that middleman. We use words like backorder, engine codes, lumbar. We use these words as the backache of a life spent looking for something in the computer. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time (that's a lie, Go Royals!!!) nor the dedication to explain myself to a poster who gets their car fixed under the blanket of the very service that we provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way.  Really, we would, LOL.  Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a scanner, and fix a postal vehicle built on a Ford chassis. In the truck bay, I think there's a damn '76 Bronco.  It has a title too.

Losing a sale over $50 is sometimes based on emotion, sometimes based on playing hardball and expecting the other guy to cave.

A good buying experience should be a given.  If you can't do that as a minimum, I don't want to deal with you.

And pouting about percentages (as the original article does) is bullshit.  %40 of a couch price is less than %5 of a typical new car price, and both take about the same amount of time and effort on the part of the seller.  If the item has to be ordered then there isn't any carrying cost either.

Sorry that people are able to make informed decisions about the most expensive or second-most expensive purchases they'lll likely ever make.

But the auto sales industry has an image problem that is mostly earned.  Be different and show how you're different, and we'll do business.

I'm not going to open the used-car can of worms....

Wife needed a good work vehicle to put a ridiculous number of error free miles on.
Me, I'm a cheap bastard.
I own a 14 year old Jeep as a backup for the work truck.

All else being equal, you better have a damn good reason you're charging $50 more than the other guy... just for shits and giggles.
YOU might not lose sleep, but who the fuck are you to determine that nobody else should lose sleep over $1 a month? That's not even counting the fact that you rolled a $50 amount into a $1 amount by 'turning it into a payment amount'... sleazeball salesmen will be sleazeball salesmen.
I don't give a flying fuck what you would pay. You're not buying MY car, or anyone else's car. "Really cared about my experience"? Fucking serious? Are you trying to reinforce the stereotype?
Despicable? You're the one refusing to come down the $50 in the first place? If it's so NOT a bid deal at all, why not lower the price by $50? Because $50 is $50... and you know it.

Jesus, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

I hate a motherfucker that won't answer a simple Goddamned question. "Did you hear what the fuck I just asked you? Fucking answer it."

I stop talking to ANYONE the third time I ask them the same question without getting a straight answer.

They do rip people off. A year ago I was at Kings Honda buying a 2010 RX350, and my mom wanted to trade in her '99 RX300. The salesman made us wait at a table for 30 mins before coming back to us.  He then would play this game of pretending to call wholesalers to see what they'd give for the trade in. My mom wouldn't budge with his ridiculous $2k offer. We went back and forth and he kept pretending to call fake wholesalers. Eventually it went up to $4k because my mom would just give him a blank stare, and said this is what I'm willing to pay for the rx350, and this is what I want for my trade.


Eventually we got the deal we wanted after four hours.


They ended up putting her "$2,000" RX300 on their website for $8,000.  Car salesmen are scum balls, and read you like a poker player. If you're easy pickings, they will make up their tight deals, off of your back. They're opportunists.

Did this dealer not have a price sticker on the car? Why would you ask anyway? The best negotiating is done by simply telling them how much you intend to pay and that they can take it or leave it.

Apple manufactures iPhones, iPads, etc. they have their own store, and service them in store.

You can also buy their products through a reseller, but we'll call them dealerships for comparison sake.

If and when my iPhone breaks, I can go directly to the manufacturer owned Apple Store and get it fixed. Why couldn't LG or HTC follow the same business model? Manufacturers can run their own retail stores with no issues, just like car manufacturers can run their own repair centers and dealership.

Nailed it.
Basically. How are they supposed to understand anything else? They've got some other agenda going on other than communicating with me, so why should I communicate with them?

I want you to quote me your best price.  I'll compare it to your competitor's "best price" and see who wins.  I'll give you as many chances as you need to beat each other up and finally get to your actual "best price", and if I like it, I'll pay it.  If I don't, I won't.  Business is business.  When I'm making a sale, my price is my price, and if a potential client wants me to negotiate down, I can't do it without changing the product or service I'm selling to a cheaper version.  When we're talking cars, there is no "cheaper version" you can downgrade me to to lessen the price, which is why I want your best price up front.

Bought my wife an Accord from a five star dealer a few years back.  Even though we came in knowing what we wanted down to base engine, features and knew what we didn't want, we still got the long spiel about reliability and how awesome they are.  Kept trying to avoid it but they felt compelled to tell us.  Tried to up sell us on features we didn't want.

Then we stepped into the finance office and then the finance guy starts into the up sell on the extended warranty.  At first I thought the irony was funny, but he kept on and on to the point I told him I would buy the extended warranty for one dollar, take it or leave, and if he asked again I was going to get up and walk.  He started to say something, I stood up and he promptly shut up.

They didn't like my post sale review, but still didn't seem to get it.