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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:47:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe Ebola tune is actually pretty catchy. It really could go viral, worldwide |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySee, even the laughing "bush meat eating" Liberian doctor isn't that worried about Ebola. If it's not spreading like wildfire in that shit hole, I HIGHLY doubt it's a major threat to the United States. This thread shows how fearful Americans have become. PS I wonder if they road kill age all their bush meat? |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ebola tune is actually pretty catchy. It really could go viral, worldwide Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ebola tune is actually pretty catchy. It really could go viral, worldwide It has a better chance then the Ebola virus.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:01:30 PM EDT
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I've no doubt it's possible for someone infected with Ebola to enter the United States. I have no doubt that should that happen they might infect other people. What I do doubt is that Ebola could ever turn into a full blown epidemic in the United States, or any other wealthy industrialized nation. Its not even an epidemic in Africa. For a variety of reason Ebola just isn't equipped to spread through a population like some other viruses. It doesn't matter if it was just 10 patients in Chicago or NYC. The panic it would generate, both public and governmental, would be devastating. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:35:02 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter if it was just 10 patients in Chicago or NYC. The panic it would generate, both public and governmental, would be devastating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've no doubt it's possible for someone infected with Ebola to enter the United States. I have no doubt that should that happen they might infect other people. What I do doubt is that Ebola could ever turn into a full blown epidemic in the United States, or any other wealthy industrialized nation. Its not even an epidemic in Africa. For a variety of reason Ebola just isn't equipped to spread through a population like some other viruses. It doesn't matter if it was just 10 patients in Chicago or NYC. The panic it would generate, both public and governmental, would be devastating. Third term and all that... 
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Posted: 7/2/2014 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2014 1:39:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, forgot about that part... They razed their other campus on Rt. 7, just outside Tysons back in JAN/FEB time-frame of this year, and though it's uber-prime real estate, location-wise, nobody's touched it. Local rumor control has it that the ground may be contaminated (though what they believe it's contaminated with, I haven't heard), so the place has turned into a dandelion and brush-grass farm now.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... They tore that lab down several years back - literally sterilizing *EVERYTHING* as they tore it down, treating it as a bio-hazard site, and from what I was told, doubled-down and sent the debris to an incinerator, just to be sure. they even incinerated the dirt from the site. Yeah, forgot about that part... They razed their other campus on Rt. 7, just outside Tysons back in JAN/FEB time-frame of this year, and though it's uber-prime real estate, location-wise, nobody's touched it. Local rumor control has it that the ground may be contaminated (though what they believe it's contaminated with, I haven't heard), so the place has turned into a dandelion and brush-grass farm now.... Google map location? I'm not far from there & would like to know. In other news, the new Metro subway stop at Tysons' Corner is set to open at the end of the month!
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:09:19 PM EDT
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That was Motaba. Quote HistoryOtherwise known as the non-name brand knock off of ebola. Quoted:
You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... I'm sitting about 100 feet from the facility where that happened. The original place is gone and now it's strip mall with a gym and a school. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you want scary shit that's real. Worry about lyme/tick disease and how it is really taking off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ebola just isn't the bogyman they make it out to be. Stay away from bodily fluids, and you'll be fine. It can't get through your skin and is unstable outside the human body. If it wasn't for their funeral custom, that the family and friends wash and prepare the body of their dearly departed, there wouldn't be 337 dead. I'm not saying they have to completely give up the practice, just don't do it with people who've died from hemorrhagic fever. If Batu was bleeding from his nose, ears, eyes, and mouth, and his skin was sloughing off...don't touch him. Problem solved. Ebola doesn't appear to spread very easy. I doubt an outbreak in a western country would go far. How can we panic when people like you keep interfering with facts and common sense? you want scary shit that's real. Worry about lyme/tick disease and how it is really taking off. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:44:34 PM EDT
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I do not have that opinion. an outbreak with a bug like that in a modern country would kill thousands due to our modern travel and extremely fast paced medical care. they would not be taken to a Podunk shelter, they would end up at a 500-1000 bed medical facility and infect all the staff and cross infect the patients in a matter of hours. not only have I studied this, I wrote some of the manuals that hospitals use for Chemical and Biological Triage Management. I've seen portable incinerators that will be used if necessary to sterilize the area of infected dead. the only reason these hotspots aren't worse is the seemingly low populations of outbreak and the small scale shelter hospitals ask Texas A&M about their infectious rates from their Simian Pathogens and their Biological Warfare Laboratory. I have personally worked on patients with some of the worst diseases known at the facilities I have been on staff at and worked a little girl with Plague which opened my eyes to the level of precautions needed to contain pathogens of this nature. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not only do I think morbidity would be much, much lower in North America or Europe, I think mortality would as well. I don't think Ebola is anything close to the level of threat represented by the bugs of science fiction. So, not only is Ebola NOT like King's Captain Trips, it's not even as much of a threat as the Spanish flu. I just don't think it's a huge threat to first world countries. I do not have that opinion. an outbreak with a bug like that in a modern country would kill thousands due to our modern travel and extremely fast paced medical care. they would not be taken to a Podunk shelter, they would end up at a 500-1000 bed medical facility and infect all the staff and cross infect the patients in a matter of hours. not only have I studied this, I wrote some of the manuals that hospitals use for Chemical and Biological Triage Management. I've seen portable incinerators that will be used if necessary to sterilize the area of infected dead. the only reason these hotspots aren't worse is the seemingly low populations of outbreak and the small scale shelter hospitals ask Texas A&M about their infectious rates from their Simian Pathogens and their Biological Warfare Laboratory. I have personally worked on patients with some of the worst diseases known at the facilities I have been on staff at and worked a little girl with Plague which opened my eyes to the level of precautions needed to contain pathogens of this nature. Fascinating insight you are bringing into this thread. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:45:08 PM EDT
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Foreign doctors and Red Cross are bailing due to security concerns.
ETA: I don't blame them, I'd have been long gone. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:49:36 PM EDT
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... i was at the hazelton labs cleanup. reston did not infect anyone. the only "symptomatic" patient we had was the caretaker with the flu. <who scared the hell out of us becuase we coudn't find him. also reston was not airborne it was fluid contact still at the time. the primates infected bypassed quaranteen and infected others through usual means. it was suspected to be airborne only becuase we have primates in multiple holding rooms become symptomatic. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:53:46 PM EDT
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Fascinating insight you are bringing into this thread. I wonder what he and Beerslayer think about this guy? Especially since he seems to be working under a level 2 containment protocol? |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:57:45 PM EDT
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I wonder what he and Beerslayer think about this guy? Especially since he seems to be working under a level 2 containment protocol? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fascinating insight you are bringing into this thread. I wonder what he and Beerslayer think about this guy? Especially since he seems to be working under a level 2 containment protocol? honestly, he should be in prison for biological war crimes imho. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:03:14 PM EDT
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Otherwise known as the non-name brand knock off of ebola. I'm sitting about 100 feet from the facility where that happened. The original place is gone and now it's strip mall with a gym and a school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... I'm sitting about 100 feet from the facility where that happened. The original place is gone and now it's strip mall with a gym and a school. "The physical building in which the outbreak occurred was demolished on 30 May 1995 and a new building constructed in its place. This facility, which is part of the Isaac Newton Square office park, at 1946 Isaac Newton Sq W, became a KinderCare, then became a Mulberry Child Care and preschool center as of 2007, and as of 2009 was once again a KinderCare.[17]" |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:06:00 PM EDT
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"The physical building in which the outbreak occurred was demolished on 30 May 1995 and a new building constructed in its place. This facility, which is part of the Isaac Newton Square office park, at 1946 Isaac Newton Sq W, became a KinderCare, then became a Mulberry Child Care and preschool center as of 2007, and as of 2009 was once again a KinderCare.[17]" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... I'm sitting about 100 feet from the facility where that happened. The original place is gone and now it's strip mall with a gym and a school. "The physical building in which the outbreak occurred was demolished on 30 May 1995 and a new building constructed in its place. This facility, which is part of the Isaac Newton Square office park, at 1946 Isaac Newton Sq W, became a KinderCare, then became a Mulberry Child Care and preschool center as of 2007, and as of 2009 was once again a KinderCare.[17]" i can pretty well tell you there was nothing left alive in that building when we left. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:09:23 PM EDT
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Thank God I finally got my 1000 rounds of 75 grain ammo...  Wouldn't a good chemical warfare suit be a better buy? |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:14:57 PM EDT
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honestly, he should be in prison for biological war crimes imho. It's beyond belief that he's allowed to keep doing what he's doing. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:22:20 PM EDT
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Wouldn't a good chemical warfare suit be a better buy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank God I finally got my 1000 rounds of 75 grain ammo... Wouldn't a good chemical warfare suit be a better buy? Without decontamination, you would probably get exposed when you undressed.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:23:00 PM EDT
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i can pretty well tell you there was nothing left alive in that building when we left. Always like that part of the book.. That for a time, it was most likely the only complete sterile building on the planet.. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Pleased to meet you, Lloyd. Hope you guess my name," Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Randall Flagg "Pleased to meet you, Lloyd. Hope you guess my name," "Your mother's in charge of blowjobs in a whorehouse in Asshole, Illinois!"
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ebola isn't airborne. It can only survive in bodily fluids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly let's say hypothetically New York gets the unlucky plane. Infected guy walks down through town and he has some jungle killing Ebola in every cough. Not to mention the 100+ on the plane with him. How fast would it spread in the States? What PPE is required to improve your chances? Ebola isn't airborne. It can only survive in bodily fluids. For now...I understand there have been several mutations but the incubation/mortality rates make them less of a threat. Someday...nature will get the formula just right...and mankind will be pretty much a memory.  |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People who say such cavalier things about human life are usually ignorant children or wretched wastes of oxygen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, we need to thin the herd. People who say such cavalier things about human life are usually ignorant children or wretched wastes of oxygen. Hopefully they will be part of the thinning. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:50:49 PM EDT
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Captain, Captain Trips that is... Baby can you dig your man? M-O-O-N that spells flesh-eating bacteria That made my day, seriously LMAO. 
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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:05:42 PM EDT
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Folks prolly don't want to Google image search "Ebola victims". Kinda wished I hadn't. All I know is we don't need that virus anywhere near here.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:15:31 PM EDT
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"The physical building in which the outbreak occurred was demolished on 30 May 1995 and a new building constructed in its place. This facility, which is part of the Isaac Newton Square office park, at 1946 Isaac Newton Sq W, became a KinderCare, then became a Mulberry Child Care and preschool center as of 2007, and as of 2009 was once again a KinderCare.[17]" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... I'm sitting about 100 feet from the facility where that happened. The original place is gone and now it's strip mall with a gym and a school. "The physical building in which the outbreak occurred was demolished on 30 May 1995 and a new building constructed in its place. This facility, which is part of the Isaac Newton Square office park, at 1946 Isaac Newton Sq W, became a KinderCare, then became a Mulberry Child Care and preschool center as of 2007, and as of 2009 was once again a KinderCare.[17]" It's a Montessori school now. I drive by it whenever I go to a local maker space. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 9:37:13 PM EDT
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140702-ebola-epidemic-fever-world-health-guinea-sierra-leone-liberia/
In the early stages of the epidemic, when it could have been more easily contained, few health professionals in the region even knew it was taking place. Though outbreaks are common in central Africa, the disease had almost never been seen before in western Africa. And many of the first patients did not have symptoms consistent with a hemorrhagic fever, which initially obscured its identification. The public health response was therefore slow, and officials who made statements were often trying to calm people's fears, giving inaccurate and sometimes contradictory information. Unusual in Ebola outbreaks, the disease is spreading to urban areas, making it even more difficult to control. Two capital cities, Conakry and Monrovia, are already affected, and a third, Freetown, is at risk. ... The work of informing at-risk populations is being thwarted by superstition, fear, and suspicion. The first step in containment is to get those affected to health centers where they can be isolated and treated. But as community members are taken to isolation wards—most never to be seen again—rumors often circulate that the wards are not for treatment but for something more sinister. So Ebola patients often hide from the authorities trying to gather names of close contacts. Those who are put in isolation may escape and be hidden by families. Sierra Leone has now made it a crime to hide victims, but punitive measures rarely make the job easier for public health responders. ... Community life is disrupted when health workers suddenly appear, dressed in what appear to be space suits. And these communities often already have a deep-seated suspicion of outsiders. In this outbreak, health workers have been met with hostility and violence in several locations, and an MSF official said one team has had to withdraw from an outbreak site because of the intense local reaction. (They were threatened with knives - Z) ... |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 10:21:25 PM EDT
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i can pretty well tell you there was nothing left alive in that building when we left. Wow, I just read The Hot Zone a few weeks ago. Interesting stuff. |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:28:23 AM EDT
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140702-ebola-epidemic-fever-world-health-guinea-sierra-leone-liberia/ In the early stages of the epidemic, when it could have been more easily contained, few health professionals in the region even knew it was taking place. Though outbreaks are common in central Africa, the disease had almost never been seen before in western Africa. And many of the first patients did not have symptoms consistent with a hemorrhagic fever, which initially obscured its identification. The public health response was therefore slow, and officials who made statements were often trying to calm people's fears, giving inaccurate and sometimes contradictory information.Unusual in Ebola outbreaks, the disease is spreading to urban areas, making it even more difficult to control. Two capital cities, Conakry and Monrovia, are already affected, and a third, Freetown, is at risk.
... The work of informing at-risk populations is being thwarted by superstition, fear, and suspicion. The first step in containment is to get those affected to health centers where they can be isolated and treated. But as community members are taken to isolation wards—most never to be seen again—rumors often circulate that the wards are not for treatment but for something more sinister. So Ebola patients often hide from the authorities trying to gather names of close contacts. Those who are put in isolation may escape and be hidden by families. Sierra Leone has now made it a crime to hide victims, but punitive measures rarely make the job easier for public health responders. ... Community life is disrupted when health workers suddenly appear, dressed in what appear to be space suits. And these communities often already have a deep-seated suspicion of outsiders. In this outbreak, health workers have been met with hostility and violence in several locations, and an MSF official said one team has had to withdraw from an outbreak site because of the intense local reaction. (They were threatened with knives - Z) ... This is why it's an AFRICAN problem. |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:18:39 AM EDT
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Google map location? I'm not far from there & would like to know. In other news, the new Metro subway stop at Tysons' Corner is set to open at the end of the month!
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:48:35 PM EDT
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Time for more news:
Ebola outbreak in West Africa now the largest on record. 500 dead and counting. Link The key to halting Ebola is isolating the sick, but fear and panic have sent some patients into hiding, complicating efforts to stop its spread. Ebola has reached the capitals of all three countries, and the World Health Organization reported 44 new cases including 21 deaths on Friday. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:54:34 PM EDT
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Without decontamination, you would probably get exposed when you undressed.
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Thank God I finally got my 1000 rounds of 75 grain ammo... Wouldn't a good chemical warfare suit be a better buy? Without decontamination, you would probably get exposed when you undressed.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:55:43 PM EDT
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and yet STILL no outbreaks in places where people wash their ass on a regular basis.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:59:52 PM EDT
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and yet STILL no outbreaks in places where people wash their ass on a regular basis. Hopefully, all flights into and out of those countries have been halted. 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:02:06 PM EDT
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It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean...
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:09:56 PM EDT
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It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... One infected hooker and one "tourist" from a large city and we are all dead. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:15:35 PM EDT
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As many here have said, I don't think it's going to happen with this particular strain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:52:08 PM EDT
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Lay off the bush meat BBQ, especially monkey meat, don't fondle dead friends and relatives who've died from hemorrhagic fever, and avoid people bleeding from their mouth, nose, eyes, and skin....
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:11:05 PM EDT
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Lay off the bush meat BBQ, especially monkey meat, don't fondle dead friends and relatives who've died from hemorrhagic fever, and avoid people bleeding from their mouth, nose, eyes, and skin.... you'll be fine. Tell that to the people eating the bush meat Telling ARFCOM is like preaching to the choir.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:22:12 PM EDT
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Roger that, going MOPP 4
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5EheTPvBIOY/Ucsc4LmusoI/AAAAAAAABVI/-1Kc-X4y-do/s1600/777.jpg |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:35:20 PM EDT
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Ebola has a high mortality rate, but low transmission rate. They say one of the saving graces may be that Ebola tends to kill/incapacitate its victims so quickly.
Viruses that co-evolved with humans, the ones that really spread like wildfire are the ones who enter latency periods and are still transmissible... Ebola seems to be a virus that only recently hopped the zoo-onic barrier. Let's just hope it doesn't adapt any further. Also another fortunate thing: Ebola is a single-strand, nonsegmented RNA virus. What does that mean? It means it's not nearly as genetically unstable as the flu virus, ergo it can't trade/swap gene segments and become highly virulent as fast.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:40:04 PM EDT
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I have two cousins from Sierra Leone, their father still lives there, and they were planning on visiting this fall. Needless to say, those plans were cancelled.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:43:55 PM EDT
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It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5EheTPvBIOY/Ucsc4LmusoI/AAAAAAAABVI/-1Kc-X4y-do/s1600/777.jpg We'll probably give them refugee status and fly them here to vote Democrat. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:47:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll probably give them refugee status and fly them here to vote Democrat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's only a matter of time before it crosses the ocean... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5EheTPvBIOY/Ucsc4LmusoI/AAAAAAAABVI/-1Kc-X4y-do/s1600/777.jpg We'll probably give them refugee status and fly them here to vote Democrat. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:49:14 PM EDT
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My dad worked in Angola and the Congo (I know its not the same area) for three or four years. One flight, 18 hours. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and yet STILL no outbreaks in places where people wash their ass on a regular basis. I was short, too.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:19:14 PM EDT
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. Some guy is in a lab right now trying to combine ebola and bird flu. It's harder than one might imagine to get a monkey with ebola and a chicken with the flu to make sweet, sweet love... Just add a pig. No shit. The ARFCOM wet dream of FO!!! |
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