I agree with all of this, but what do you say to their practice of cancelling standing orders, claiming "out of stock" only to relist the same item the same day at a much higher price?
It happened to a lot of us after Sandy Hook, including those of us who had orders placed before the shootings.

What is the 89 ban you are referring too? I'm a bit young to know about that (I was only 8) so I want to research that some more.

I agree that there the government should not have any more power (than what it already does) in regulating the price of gun products. Otherwise they would jack up the price to make sure you couldn't afford it. That was the goal behind the NFA. Hell, we are already paying an 11% federal tax on guns and ammo.

I think the free market approach has and still is playing out with CTD. While not illegal, it was still dishonest. People were repulsed by the dishonest tactics so now they use their free market rights to not shop at CTD and they use their free speech rights to speak out against that dishonesty as seen in this thread. 4 years later, CTD is still reaping the consequences.

The 89 import ban was a Daddy Bush executive order to the ATF, never went through Congress. Ban FN FAL's, HK's forced thumb hole stocks on AK's.

This is the first time I've heard of CTD cancelling orders placed BEFORE Sandy Hook. After Sandy Hook several retailers had problems with orders exceeding inventory. That's possible because few gun retailers have accurate accounting of live inventory. Their software would let you order 500 widgets when only ten were in stock.
And CTD didn't immediately relist gun inventory the same day.........it's pretty common knowledge that they removed all gun listings almost immediately....and it was like that for several days. There are threads here on this forum where arfcommers were wondering if they removed guns from their website because of political correctness (ala Dicks). In reality it was because their software and systems couldn't handle thousands of orders when they may have only had 100's of guns.


Every firearms dealer sources inventory from multiple distributors. Each of those distributors has different pricing. That alone doesn't explain why CTD would relist with a higher price, but good business sense does. A successful business does not markup based on their cost, they markup based on anticipated replacement/reorder cost. (you don't sell Colt 6920's for $999 today, when your reorder cost is $1100 each. If the product isn't available, then the retailer may need to raise prices on current inventory simply to stay in business.

Stop and think about the mom and pop gun dealers who went belly up since January 2012. They went belly up not because of demand, but because of limited or nonexistent supply. Distributors allocate inventory to their largest and most profitable accounts first. Academy/Cabelas/WalMart will get guns that aren't available to the little guys.

<----little guy kitchen table FFL who is on a four year old waitlist to get .22LR bulk packs from RSR.

I'm talking bulk ammo, not just guns.

Is there a relationship with CTD and Defender Outdoors? I saw some ammo online and went to purchase it.  The price was much higher in the store.  I asked and was told the online prices are different because its not the same store.  I then asked if its the same people as CTD and was told not all of them.

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I also just graduated in May. I make significantly less than $75k right now, and I'll make significantly more than $75k in the future. But that's about what it would take, right now, for me to take a job at CTD.

Oh, I see. That's not bad at all.

Is that the orgins of 922r?

The ATF regulations from the 89 Import Excutive Order was where 922r comes from.

this last pic is perfect  

I'm not within 20 miles of Conroe, I'm in the Austin area...  lots of openings around where I'm at over $40/hr.  In IT that is entry level crap money these days.