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Posted: 3/2/2014 10:26:46 AM EDT
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The Russians are looking more modernized. New digital flora uniforms, Sposn vests, 2 different styles of helmets, and new body armor. I miss the old style vest which was way too big for the average person and the motorcycle style helmets like the Sphera. Also, did they run out of the blue izolenta tape? Makes you wonder how we would fare in a conflict against a modern nation. A good friend of mine who is with the 101st, has stated that in their officer level training sessions, an opponent with "modern" capability would create a unique set of challenges as compared to our current training tempo. He commands a heavy weapons unit, and they have reverted back to training against armor and columns vs current afghan/Iraq style mission sets. I for one think we would kick ass and take names unfortunately there would be a steep learning curve though. Going from gorilla type fighting to actual force on force would be a bit of a change. I wouldnt be surprised if S.F weren't already on the ground |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:07:31 AM EDT
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I think our arrogance of military superiority would be severely tested. In a soldier vs soldier battle, I think the Russians would own us. Perhaps we would prevail in terms of technology based weaponry, but even then I'm not so sure. I think that as Americans we have been indoctrinated to believe that we are superior to all others to a fault. In reality, I think there are equally equipped soldiers throughout the world who aren't spoiled to their X box's and other luxuries who would wipe the globe with our soft asses. Our politicians should take note and tread upon these matters accordingly.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:26:53 AM EDT
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I think our arrogance of military superiority would be severely tested. In a soldier vs soldier battle, I think the Russians would own us. Perhaps we would prevail in terms of technology based weaponry, but even then I'm not so sure. I think that as Americans we have been indoctrinated to believe that we are superior to all others to a fault. In reality, I think there are equally equipped soldiers throughout the world who aren't spoiled to their X box's and other luxuries who would wipe the globe with our soft asses. Our politicians should take note and tread upon these matters accordingly. I respectfully don't agree unless your talking about the untrained american teenage going to war. Now politicians going to war with the troops should have already been in place. Those fat fuckers wouldn't be near as jumpy to do half the shit they vote on if they had to get there hands dirty |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:40:20 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/QfnJNgY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2gRdsV5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4QD0QBC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u9Qb5SI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UbXuQoe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Rp6nsjA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EsYKACr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k3wS4m2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/O7DJdV1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aiaqmc2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WX2OSDZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7g2fs9G.jpg Third pic... What is our friend on the left carrying? |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Third pic... What is our friend on the left carrying? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://i.imgur.com/QfnJNgY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2gRdsV5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4QD0QBC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u9Qb5SI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UbXuQoe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Rp6nsjA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EsYKACr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k3wS4m2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/O7DJdV1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aiaqmc2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WX2OSDZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7g2fs9G.jpg Third pic... What is our friend on the left carrying? |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:43:44 AM EDT
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I respectfully don't agree unless your talking about the untrained american teenage going to war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think our arrogance of military superiority would be severely tested. In a soldier vs soldier battle, I think the Russians would own us. Perhaps we would prevail in terms of technology based weaponry, but even then I'm not so sure. I think that as Americans we have been indoctrinated to believe that we are superior to all others to a fault. In reality, I think there are equally equipped soldiers throughout the world who aren't spoiled to their X box's and other luxuries who would wipe the globe with our soft asses. Our politicians should take note and tread upon these matters accordingly. I respectfully don't agree unless your talking about the untrained american teenage going to war. Who do you think we send into war? Its our untrained teenaged kids who are less disciplined/motivated than this current "enemy". They may hold their own against a bunch of illiterate goat farmers in the middle east but I believe our military is sub standard when compared to that of an organized and well equipped outfit like what the Russians have. Sorry to say it, but I stand by my assessment. The Russians have their shit together more than or ragtag bunch. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:00:01 PM EDT
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I can promise you the US army NCO is not a pimple faced teenager.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:03:20 PM EDT
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I can promise you the US army NCO is not a pimple faced teenager. This is quite true. Still... Its not the NCO's who fight the battle. Its the pimple faced teenagers. In that case, I'd place my bets on the side that provides marksmanship/military training to their high school kids over the side that gives their kids an IPad and expects them to raise themselves. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:06:52 PM EDT
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you ever serve? The commissioned officers give the orders, NCOs make it happen. So, yes, they do fight the battles.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:06:57 PM EDT
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Would you guys mind leaving the politics out of this thread? It's an interesting debate to me for many reasons but I think it will degenerate into a shit storm. This thread has great pics and the possibility for more interesting discussions, lets not f*ck it up
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:09:17 PM EDT
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Would you guys mind leaving the politics out of this thread? It's an interesting debate to me for many reasons but I think it will degenerate into a shit storm. This thread has great pics and the possibility for more interesting discussions, lets not f*ck it up Z Point taken and you are right. This has been a great thread and I will leave it as such. Politics/opinions are what they are. My sincerest apologies thanks for the liveley debate while it lasted. Post on fellas. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:10:27 PM EDT
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Who do you think we send into war? Its our untrained teenaged kids who are less disciplined/motivated than this current "enemy". They may hold their own against a bunch of illiterate goat farmers in the middle east but I believe our military is sub standard when compared to that of an organized and well equipped outfit like what the Russians have. Sorry to say it, but I stand by my assessment. The Russians have their shit together more than or ragtag bunch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think our arrogance of military superiority would be severely tested. In a soldier vs soldier battle, I think the Russians would own us. Perhaps we would prevail in terms of technology based weaponry, but even then I'm not so sure. I think that as Americans we have been indoctrinated to believe that we are superior to all others to a fault. In reality, I think there are equally equipped soldiers throughout the world who aren't spoiled to their X box's and other luxuries who would wipe the globe with our soft asses. Our politicians should take note and tread upon these matters accordingly. I respectfully don't agree unless your talking about the untrained american teenage going to war. Who do you think we send into war? Its our untrained teenaged kids who are less disciplined/motivated than this current "enemy". They may hold their own against a bunch of illiterate goat farmers in the middle east but I believe our military is sub standard when compared to that of an organized and well equipped outfit like what the Russians have. Sorry to say it, but I stand by my assessment. The Russians have their shit together more than or ragtag bunch. And what do you base this "assessment" off of? Have you ever directly trained with Russian soldiers? I have, and while they're definitely no slouches, to say that they have their "shit together" is laughable. ETA: I'll leave it at that so as not to muck up the thread any further. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:12:08 PM EDT
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Would you guys mind leaving the politics out of this thread? It's an interesting debate to me for many reasons but I think it will degenerate into a shit storm. This thread has great pics and the possibility for more interesting discussions, lets not f*ck it up Z THIS. There's a enough of this in GD already. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:31:11 PM EDT
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A lot of good pics HERE
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Posted: 3/2/2014 12:39:53 PM EDT
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Alleged "rebels" by Russian news organizations. Looks like pretty sophisticated weaponry for a group of rebels. The grenade launchers are telling. Probably FSB.  They remind me of these guys. 
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Posted: 3/2/2014 1:10:29 PM EDT
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Alleged "rebels" by Russian news organizations. Looks like pretty sophisticated weaponry for a group of rebels. The grenade launchers are telling. Probably FSB. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhqBBVSCMAERuFg.jpg They remind me of these guys. http://oi60.tinypic.com/wtdt1h.jpg i forgot about that one! |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 1:16:26 PM EDT
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i forgot about that one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alleged "rebels" by Russian news organizations. Looks like pretty sophisticated weaponry for a group of rebels. The grenade launchers are telling. Probably FSB. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhqBBVSCMAERuFg.jpg They remind me of these guys. http://oi60.tinypic.com/wtdt1h.jpg i forgot about that one! Who are the men in the masks? |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 1:20:21 PM EDT
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Alleged "rebels" by Russian news organizations. Looks like pretty sophisticated weaponry for a group of rebels. The grenade launchers are telling. Probably FSB. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhqBBVSCMAERuFg.jpg They remind me of these guys. http://oi60.tinypic.com/wtdt1h.jpg i forgot about that one! Who are the men in the masks? Members of the Russian Special Purpose Regiment (Spetsnaz) demonstrating armed back robbery and regiment's quick response to handle the situation at a military festival in Russia. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 2:10:14 PM EDT
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Members of the Russian Special Purpose Regiment (Spetsnaz) demonstrating armed back robbery and regiment's quick response to handle the situation at a military festival in Russia. Ahh much obliged. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:08:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:18:08 PM EDT
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Ahh much obliged. http://www.trbimg.com/img-531145d6/turbine/la-apphoto-ukraine-protests-jpg-20140228/600 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Members of the Russian Special Purpose Regiment (Spetsnaz) demonstrating armed back robbery and regiment's quick response to handle the situation at a military festival in Russia. Ahh much obliged. http://www.trbimg.com/img-531145d6/turbine/la-apphoto-ukraine-protests-jpg-20140228/600 Check out dude sleeping in the cab 
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:51:05 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Is it just me or does the guy on the left look really oriental? http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg When I was in Kyrgyzstan I saw a lot of oriental people there because of the region. He could be from Eastern Russia. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:51:38 PM EDT
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Members of the Russian Special Purpose Regiment (Spetsnaz) demonstrating armed back robbery and regiment's quick response to handle the situation at a military festival in Russia. Ahh much obliged. http://www.trbimg.com/img-531145d6/turbine/la-apphoto-ukraine-protests-jpg-20140228/600 Check out dude sleeping in the cab Gotta sleep when you can. I have slept in some pretty interesting places/positions. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:52:54 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Is it just me or does the guy on the left look really oriental? http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Crimean Tatar, probably - but seems odd. Thought they were mostly anti-Russia/n. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:58:03 PM EDT
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Meh.. I'll just delete this
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Posted: 3/2/2014 4:34:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2014 4:35:25 PM EDT
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VSS
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Posted: 3/2/2014 4:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI saw one on page 3 in the background but thats a way better pic. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 4:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd, SVD-S. Kinda of a strange combination of firearms for one guy to carry. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 5:14:04 PM EDT
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And, SVD-S. Kinda of a strange combination of firearms for one guy to carry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
And, SVD-S. Kinda of a strange combination of firearms for one guy to carry. In looking at lots of pics of these guys it seems to be a common load out. Also tons of PKM's |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 5:17:24 PM EDT
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In looking at lots of pics of these guys it seems to be a common load out. Also tons of PKM's Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And, SVD-S. Kinda of a strange combination of firearms for one guy to carry. In looking at lots of pics of these guys it seems to be a common load out. Also tons of PKM's Probably so if they start shooting it doesn't grab shit tons of attention I'm thinking. There seems to be quite a few running around. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 5:18:53 PM EDT
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Crimean Tatar, probably - but seems odd. Thought they were mostly anti-Russia/n. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Is it just me or does the guy on the left look really oriental? http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Crimean Tatar, probably - but seems odd. Thought they were mostly anti-Russia/n. They are of asian decent, probably from areas bordering Kazakhstan and Mongolia. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 5:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are of asian decent, probably from areas bordering Kazakhstan and Mongolia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Is it just me or does the guy on the left look really oriental? http://i.imgur.com/jBrSOm3.jpg Crimean Tatar, probably - but seems odd. Thought they were mostly anti-Russia/n. They are of asian decent, probably from areas bordering Kazakhstan and Mongolia. I'm going to blow some minds here - but Russia is in Asia.   |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis guy must be doing something right  he got issued a real rifle 
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:05:33 PM EDT
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All the GP-30s are awesome!
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:14:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:22:19 PM EDT
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I'm going to blow some minds here - but Russia is in Asia. <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/b5crfdj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/401/crfd.jpg</a> <a href="https://imageshack.com/i/mr3osrj" target="_blank">http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/819/3osr.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:11:22 PM EDT
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 Blue - Europe, Red - Asia.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:37:57 PM EDT
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<a href="https://imageshack.com/i/nmm8yrg" target="_blank">http://imageshack.com/a/img850/9761/m8yr.gif</a> Blue - Europe, Red - Asia. So you can be a comie is europe? (KOMI)
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:55:21 PM EDT
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Love me some Krinks
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Posted: 3/2/2014 8:44:46 PM EDT
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Love me some Krinks http://sofrep.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/berkut-crimea-ukraine-630x433.jpg The guy on the right his hideing something under his jacket |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 9:02:55 PM EDT
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I'm not up on my current Russian optics, what are we seeing in the pics so far? I see at least 4 or 5 different scopes on the AKs.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 11:22:42 PM EDT
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In terms of loadout and weapons, it would appear that what we're seeing is a mix of Naval Infantry from Sevastopol, airborne VDV (possibly 7th VDV division) and Spetsnaz. All would be expected to be equipped and trained better then average motor riflemen.
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Posted: 3/3/2014 3:23:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2014 5:03:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2014 5:13:12 AM EDT
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pbs time
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Posted: 3/3/2014 7:23:55 AM EDT
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I'm not up on my current Russian optics, what are we seeing in the pics so far? I see at least 4 or 5 different scopes on the AKs. Pretty sure we've seen: 4x24 PSO on the long rifles. Obzor 1P63's on some of the better equipped Russian AK's Maybe a couple of Rakurs too. |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 7:51:48 AM EDT
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Pretty sure we've seen: 4x24 PSO on the long rifles. Obzor 1P63's on some of the better equipped Russian AK's Maybe a couple of Rakurs too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not up on my current Russian optics, what are we seeing in the pics so far? I see at least 4 or 5 different scopes on the AKs. Pretty sure we've seen: 4x24 PSO on the long rifles. Obzor 1P63's on some of the better equipped Russian AK's Maybe a couple of Rakurs too. Obzor 
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