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Originally Posted By KCabbage:
What kind of (fragmentation) range would a 7.5" barrel yield? It's probably a negative number. Unfortunately, I don't have any chronograph data for a 7.5" barrel so I can't give you a serious answer. Would the ballistic tipped loads still fragment? None of the polycarbonate tipped bullets that are loaded commercially meet the FBI's standard for minimum penetration depth from standard length barrels. |
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Wow, I just now ventured into this thread, and it is epic. Tons of fantastic information, so thanks Molon for that! Are you still planning on releasing an updated .pdf version? Also, it's mentioned a few times that AD military can order the 5.56 TAP from Hornady but can any individual AD personnel place an order or is it "my command would like to order 10,000 cases" sort of thing?
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I'm probably just being paranoid, but I just bought a couple hundred rounds of the 5.56 75gr TAP (#8126N) from an individual and I want to be sure that this is factory ammo and not reloaded/reman. I ask because in most of the pictures that I've seen (including those in this thread), the brass looks a lot cleaner than mine. I'm pretty new to the 5.56 cartridge in general so I wanted to make sure. See pictures below.
http://picklematrix.org/guns/tap556-0009.jpg http://picklematrix.org/guns/tap556-0011.jpg Apologies if this is much ado about nothing! |
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Okay, thanks for the reassurance. I don't have any reason to be suspicious of the seller, just wanted to confirm.
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By KCabbage:
What kind of (fragmentation) range would a 7.5" barrel yield? It's probably a negative number. Unfortunately, I don't have any chronograph data for 7.5" barrel so I can't give you a serious answer. Would the ballistic tipped loads still fragment? Non of the polycarbonate tipped bullets that are loaded commercially meet the FBI's standard for minimum penetration depth from standard length barrels. Thanks Mo' |
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man the LEO is lots faster than the FPD .
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I still dont understand how they can claim to SAAMI .223 spec pressures and have velocity slightly faster than Mk262. Did they invent some magical powder or something?
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Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
I still dont understand how they can claim to SAAMI .223 spec pressures and have velocity slightly faster than Mk262. Did they invent some magical powder or something? its because they used that crappy lapua brass if you have any i will take it off your hands |
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Cor-Bon has a history of exaggerated velocity claims.
Years ago, my Dad bought into the hype and bought some handgun rounds. Velocity was all over the place, one round a very satisfying "BOOM", next round "pop", almost squib like, another round somewhere between the two. That was the last time he bought Cor-Bon. |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Falar:
That Corbon load looks to be a 5.56 load and not .223 if the velocity on the box is accurate. COR-BON’s website advertises that this load has a velocity of 2800 FPS from a 20” barrel. I’m here to say “it just ain’t so.” From the 20” Colt barrel it did have a respectable muzzle velocity of 2674 FPS with a standard deviation of 19 FPS. http://www.box.net/shared/static/gl4qhiho2n.jpg Somehow, I'm not suprised. I wonder what powder that Buffalo Bore load is using though, I'd like to load some 77gr SMKs soon since TAP is expensive and extremely difficult to obtain. |
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Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
I still dont understand how they can claim to SAAMI .223 spec pressures and have velocity slightly faster than Mk262. Did they invent some magical powder or something? its because they used that crappy lapua brass if you have any i will take it off your hands I was talking about buffalo bore ammo |
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oooopps guess i'll re reead,i flunked evelyn woodhead spaed raeding cuorse
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Excellent post, I've been debating which bullet to use when I attemp to handload my own Mk 262/TAP rounds. At first I was leaning towards the regular 75gr Hornady OTM because it has a better BC than the Sierra 77gr, but after seeing this I think I'll go with the Noslers.
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Molon can you provide any more info on the powder used to obtain the NATO-spec velocities? Is this a commercially-available component?
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Originally Posted By fonzy934:
Molon can you provide any more info on the powder used to obtain the NATO-spec velocities? Is this a commercially-available component? Negative. |
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Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
Wow, the taper crimp opened the groups up that much? Also While you're looking at alternative 77gr projectiles Id take a look at the new Lapua 77gr scenar. Pretty impressive with a BC of .402 AND is loaded to magazine length. http://www.inlandshooters.net/gallery2/d/900-2/lapua_4plhl5012_04.jpg And "The List" gets longer. |
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this thread needs to be tacked stuck permanently adhered whatever top of the page.
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Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
this thread needs to be tacked stuck permanently adhered whatever top of the page. I'll second that. Very Impressive fragmentation; AND, been around since 2003. Wonder why these aren't used instead of , or at least in addition to SMK's for the boys that are currently serving ?? Excellent as usual Molon. Thank You. |
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Thanks for the Nosler review.
I'd love to get my hands on a bunch of those Lapua Scenar bullets...... |
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Must get some Scenar/Nosler loads to compete against my 5.56 red box TAP!
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Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
Wow, the taper crimp opened the groups up that much? Also While you're looking at alternative 77gr projectiles Id take a look at the new Lapua 77gr scenar. Pretty impressive with a BC of .402 AND is loaded to magazine length. http://www.inlandshooters.net/gallery2/d/900-2/lapua_4plhl5012_04.jpg I wonder if those will frag well? I like Lapua bullets (I use 155gr Scenars in .308) but am under the impression that they use very hard, thick jackets. |
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Originally Posted By joseph_samuel: this thread needs to be tacked stuck permanently adhered whatever top of the page. Negative. 1) The info is already in the AMMO REVIEW thread which is tacked (Click on "Review of OTM bullets" to get to the info) 2) If I tacked every thread someone requests, there wouldn't be any room left to actually see any posts. |
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Thanks for the pics....Same ones I got Molon. My concern is the last batch I got had visible neck and primer sealant while these LCs have none. Could the sealant be translucent or they're simply not sealing any longer? Is there a way to test? I've thought about Boiling in water then disassemble looking for dry powder?
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Originally Posted By modus:
Thanks for the pics....Same ones I got Molon. My concern is the last batch I got had visible neck and primer sealant while these LCs have none. Could the sealant be translucent or they're simply not sealing any longer? Is there a way to test? I've thought about Boiling in water then disassemble looking for dry powder? We shall see! |
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So, could it be said that the QC 'issues' as posted on pages 28-30 are largely resolved? I mean I wouldnt call unpolished brass an issue but it might be an indicator of how some corners are being cut in the manufacturing process resulting in the other defects that have cropped up lately in the last few lots which coincidentally use the WCC brass. |
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Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
So, could it be said that the QC 'issues' as posted on pages 28-30 are largely resolved? I mean I wouldnt call unpolished brass an issue but it might be an indicator of how some corners are being cut in the manufacturing process resulting in the other defects that have cropped up lately in the last few lots which coincidentally use the WCC brass. I don't recall there actually being defects unless aesthetics count as a defect. IIRC, there were no performance differences for those "ugly" lots of TAP, Molon knows though and will certainly correct me if I'm wrong but your comment could possibly get everyone worked up over nothing again. |
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Most recent delivery of TAP 5.56 came in with LC Brass, NATO cross stamp, and polished cases...
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Originally Posted By O-ocean:
Most recent delivery of TAP 5.56 came in with LC Brass, NATO cross stamp, and polished cases... Same here. Can't wait to bench-test this stuff then go whack a big old doe with it to check terminal performance. |
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Originally Posted By Ninjaman:
Finally got my hands on some. UPS guy brought it about an hour ago. http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo69/bfh1831/Colt%206920/AR-15COM/20090902_0247.jpg http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo69/bfh1831/Colt%206920/AR-15COM/20090902_0248.jpg I might have to fondle it a week or two before I actually shoot it. I just checked and it's still in stock. I wish they'd run out for a couple of months - I couldn't take it - I had to order 200 more rounds. |
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Originally Posted By SnakeLogan:
Just thought I'd chime in and say the Barnes Triple Shock is the best 6.8 defense load. http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/6.8mm%20SPC%20Barnes%20Triple%20Shock%20block.JPG WW |
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Originally Posted By 223Sauce:
Originally Posted By SnakeLogan:
Just thought I'd chime in and say the Barnes Triple Shock is the best 6.8 defense load. http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/6.8mm%20SPC%20Barnes%20Triple%20Shock%20block.JPG WW Damn, talk about some IMMEDIATE expansion, there's almost no neck in that pic! |
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Does anyone know the bc for this round?
Based on Hornandy's website, it should be around 2660 fps out of a 16" barrel. |
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Originally Posted By Ryo:
Does anyone know the bc for this round? Based on Hornandy's website, it should be around 2660 fps out of a 16" barrel. .352, as per the first page of this thread. |
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Has an updated PDF been made of this thread?
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Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Has an updated PDF been made of this thread? In progress . . . |
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FYI, Hornady's 22cal 75gr. BTHP Match bullet WITH CANNELURE (what you guys have termed T1C) is available in bulk from patsreloading.com. I just picked some up in person, great price to boot.
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Still cant find any...at a reasonable price!
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Has an updated PDF been made of this thread? In progress . . . Update? |
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