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Posted: 1/8/2010 4:48:52 PM EDT
[#1]
Excellent ammo review...it was very informative!
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Posted: 1/9/2010 6:20:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Molon 11/26/2008:
Hornady 5.56 TAP; Then and Now ... Velocities of the various 5.56 TAP lots have remained remarkably consistent over the last 2½ years. I still had a few boxes of each lot of 5.56 TAP that I had tested over the last 2½ years, so I decided to fire 10 rounds from each lot over a chronograph in back-to-back fashion. Seven different lots were tested using an Oehler 35-P chronograph with “proof screen” technology. The rounds were fired from a 20” Colt M16A2 government profile barrel with chrome lining, a NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist. All velocities listed below are muzzle velocities, as calculated from the instrumental velocities using Oehler’s Ballistic Explorer. None of the lots tested had an average muzzle velocity that varied more than 0.61% from the grand average muzzle velocity of 2808 fps and most of the lots varied significantly less than that. 
... Molon, looking at your individual percents relative to the Grand Average Velocity (GAV) of 2808fps over the years for 75gr TAP, it would be better to present those percents more in-line, where the lot that made 2808 is a 100% match to the average. This way we can meaningfully show that these rounds have maintained their velocity average 99 to 100% of the time. Here are the percents I get using this approach... 
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Posted: 1/9/2010 8:24:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryo]
[#3]
Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 1/10/2010 8:19:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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LA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2010 5:09:26 PM EDT
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Not sure if i am late on this or not but... Hornady is no longer shipping to individual LEO's anymore.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 5:27:05 PM EDT
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Recent order from ammo to go....
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2010 3:44:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GutWrench:
Not sure if i am late on this or not but... Hornady is no longer shipping to individual LEO's anymore. Are you sure? I just placed an order on Tuesday. Granted, they didn't have any TAP in stock, but she did take my order for when they produce some. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2010 8:09:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RedBlueLitez:
Originally Posted By GutWrench:
Not sure if i am late on this or not but... Hornady is no longer shipping to individual LEO's anymore. Are you sure? I just placed an order on Tuesday. Granted, they didn't have any TAP in stock, but she did take my order for when they produce some. According to the email I got from them. Yes. Do you have a phone number or something? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2010 12:35:21 AM EDT
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http://www.hornadyle.com/contact/
Call, hit zero, and ask for Kathy in Law Enforcement sales. It may have something to do with the SHOT Show if they are suspending orders for a little while...she said she was super busy since a lot of people wanted to get their ammo orders before the show. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/26/2010 9:11:02 PM EDT
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Tap FPD 75gr or Black Hills Blue box 75gr OTM
Is one considered any better than the other (fragmentation, consistency, velocity, whatever)?? S214 |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 3:53:39 PM EDT
[#11]
At what distance (in yards) will the 75gr 5.56 TAP still fragment out of a 7.5", 8.5", 10.5", 11.5", and 12.5" barrels?
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Posted: 3/2/2010 8:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2010 7:16:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2010 10:43:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sig-x:
At what distance (in yards) will the 75gr 5.56 TAP still fragment out of a 7.5", 8.5", 10.5", 11.5", and 12.5" barrels? According to my chrono MVs and Molon's posted data (BC .352, 2250fps frag threshold): 12.5": 120yds 11.5": 90yds I don't have anything in 5.56 shorter than 11.5". |
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Posted: 3/18/2010 11:59:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:39:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Originally Posted By Potter_Sherman_T:
Tell us more...!!!  
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:49:44 PM EDT
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You know it's gonna be good - it says "tactical" right on the box! |
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:52:31 PM EDT
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Looks like this
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:59:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
Looks like this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-239.jpg Uh, no. It looks like this.
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Posted: 3/21/2010 8:07:33 PM EDT
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I meant that this
looks like it may be the same as this |
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Posted: 3/23/2010 1:02:14 AM EDT
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Is the TAP PRACTICE (75 gr) slower than TAP FPD? Does some one have these velocity numbers handy??
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Posted: 4/4/2010 11:15:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By urbankaos04:
Is the TAP PRACTICE (75 gr) slower than TAP FPD? Does some one have these velocity numbers handy?? Page 20. |
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Posted: 4/4/2010 11:57:20 AM EDT
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I'm curious to see this. Word on the street is, those guys were at HSM and decided to go there own way. And they didn't bring the QC with them. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 9:50:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cowboy7242001:
I'm curious to see this. Word on the street is, those guys were at HSM and decided to go there own way. And they didn't bring the QC with them. We shall see in the next couple of months. |
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Posted: 4/16/2010 7:08:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RedBlueLitez: http://www.hornadyle.com/contact/ Call, hit zero, and ask for Kathy in Law Enforcement sales. It may have something to do with the SHOT Show if they are suspending orders for a little while...she said she was super busy since a lot of people wanted to get their ammo orders before the show. She told me over the phone that they have temporarily suspended individual officer sales in order to get it spread around the country by their distributors. May start up again, but she can't say when. |
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Posted: 5/2/2010 9:13:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
You know it's gonna be good - it says "tactical" right on the box! What the world really needs, is a good Tactical Toaster . Mine can never get the toast the same, two times in a row.
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Posted: 5/11/2010 7:08:20 PM EDT
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The boxes sure are somethin'. We'll soon see how it shoots.
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Posted: 5/14/2010 9:37:29 AM EDT
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Looking forward to the Nosler review.....don't keep us waiting too long.
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Posted: 6/19/2010 8:53:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cam308:
Looking forward to the Nosler review.....don't keep us waiting too long.
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 6/23/2010 8:55:24 PM EDT
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Just got a case of 200 rounds up here in Canada, PN 8126N Lot #3071003.
Rarer then hen's teeth up here. 10.5" LMT might actually have some useful fragmentation range if I ever need it now. |
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Posted: 7/3/2010 7:18:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#31]
Originally Posted By cowboy7242001:
Originally Posted By Molon:
I'm curious to see this. Word on the street is, those guys were at HSM and decided to go there own way. And they didn't bring the QC with them. I'm not too impressed with this load at this point. The smallest 10-shot group that I have gotten so far from a chrome lined NATO chambered Colt HBAR at 100 yards is 3.48". 
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HI, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2010 8:57:02 PM EDT
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Maybe they jinxed their load by putting "Tactical" on it
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Posted: 7/3/2010 10:41:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Molon:
The boxes sure are somethin'. We'll soon see how it shoots. http://www.box.net/shared/static/is03x5gj6c.jpg That stuff sure is boxed pretty
Looking forward to hearing those results
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MT, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2010 3:41:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
I meant that this http://www.box.net/shared/static/gk6flfsfx5.jpg looks like it may be the same as this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-239.jpg If you look at the logo of the HTM load, it has BVAC in the upper right quadrant. The red box Bitterroot has almost the same logo, only it has Bitterroot Valley Ammunition. The font of the type is the same, the logo is almost the same, and BVAC seems a lot like Bitterrroot Valley Ammunition Company to me. |
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Posted: 7/5/2010 8:50:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FAB-10_Guy:
Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
I meant that this http://www.box.net/shared/static/gk6flfsfx5.jpg looks like it may be the same as this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-239.jpg If you look at the logo of the HTM load, it has BVAC in the upper right quadrant. The red box Bitterroot has almost the same logo, only it has Bitterroot Valley Ammunition. The font of the type is the same, the logo is almost the same, and BVAC seems a lot like Bitterrroot Valley Ammunition Company to me. The slogan is the same. "A SHOT ABOVE THE REST" |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2010 1:13:41 PM EDT
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hey all great thread !!
i do have one question ..the horandy pratice ammo.would that work in a pinch for a poor mans tap? as long as it functions good .. thanks in advance
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USA
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Posted: 7/12/2010 11:47:50 PM EDT
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What is the FDP's frag range from a 16" 1/8 Poly rifled barrel ?
J223... |
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USA
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Posted: 7/13/2010 12:49:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By ops144:
hey all great thread !! i do have one question ..the horandy pratice ammo.would that work in a pinch for a poor mans tap? as long as it functions good .. thanks in advance it does for me. it is sold by Hornady as training ammo, not duty ammo. It sends the same bullet at the same velocity with almost the same accuracy as regular brass cased .223 TAP. you decide if you can trust your life to it. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/13/2010 9:27:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BroncoMafia:
Originally Posted By ops144:
hey all great thread !! i do have one question ..the horandy pratice ammo.would that work in a pinch for a poor mans tap? as long as it functions good .. thanks in advance it does for me. it is sold by Hornady as training ammo, not duty ammo. It sends the same bullet at the same velocity with almost the same accuracy as regular brass cased .223 TAP. you decide if you can trust your life to it. thanks bud.
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Posted: 9/26/2010 10:46:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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There's a new kid in town . . .
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Posted: 9/26/2010 10:51:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: InfiniteGrim]
[#41]
Originally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/exe72xdp7n.jpg ..... What the heck is that! Do you know whos projectiles it is using? Do you have any plans on trying out the new HPR ammunition line? |
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Posted: 9/26/2010 11:16:01 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/exe72xdp7n.jpg ..... What the heck is that! Do you know whos projectiles it is using? Do you have any plans on trying out the new HPR ammunition line? I think this new ASYM stuff uses *new* LC brass and Hornady 75gr w/ cannelure.... though I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 9/26/2010 11:25:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/exe72xdp7n.jpg ..... More OTM options
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Posted: 9/28/2010 8:14:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By liaisons:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/exe72xdp7n.jpg ..... What the heck is that! Do you know whos projectiles it is using? Do you have any plans on trying out the new HPR ammunition line? I think this new ASYM stuff uses *new* LC brass and Hornady 75gr w/ cannelure.... though I could be wrong. Affirmative. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2010 7:09:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By liaisons:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Molon:
There's a new kid in town . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/exe72xdp7n.jpg ..... What the heck is that! Do you know whos projectiles it is using? Do you have any plans on trying out the new HPR ammunition line? I think this new ASYM stuff uses *new* LC brass and Hornady 75gr w/ cannelure.... though I could be wrong. Affirmative. Any info on where to buy it? |
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:03:46 PM EDT
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On The List.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:08:05 PM EDT
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Cue the "omg" smiley.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:35:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Did they have to add the 'Varmint' to the labeling?
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USA
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Posted: 10/29/2010 12:13:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By danpass:
Did they have to add the 'Varmint' to the labeling? Better than "Tactical"
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Posted: 10/29/2010 1:56:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By akxx:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Did they have to add the 'Varmint' to the labeling? Better than "Tactical" Match or Precision would have been good. Maybe 'Tier 1' .................................... j/k 
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