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Posted: 12/29/2007 3:56:52 PM EDT
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Sometimes it is not what you drive but how you drive it, We are diehard Jeepers, so a bit prejudiced to them. I have seen lots of vehicles stuck, Around here the hummer owners are a bit egotistical, H2 and H3s are truck based and quite different than the Military Hummer.
Jeeps are starting the status thing with their models now. My Jeep is 15 years old and needs a bit more love, but I could care less when the water is in it and the mud is on it. Oh that was Jeeper vs hummer humer.... |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2007 7:40:27 AM EDT
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WHere did you get the rack and how did you mount it?
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2008 10:24:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: heavy_308]
[#3]
west fork posted a pic of Steyr-Pinzgauer ambulance in 6x6......I couldn't possibly think of a better BOV...air cooled, can sit all winter with no need to worry, and can pull a healthy load, ambulance box could be setup as command post or field hospital, while truck hauled back firewood, supplies...etc. If I could fit my6' 3'' 300lbs ass into one, I would have already has one of them or a mercedes Unimog in the garage fitting it up with goodies.
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USA
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Posted: 1/1/2008 11:17:27 AM EDT
[#4]
The driver's seat isn't all that bad for space, I'm close to your size and find it comfortable. The passenger seat isn't nearly as generous though.
Anyway, the puppies like it: 
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Posted: 1/1/2008 11:34:50 AM EDT
[#5]
Is that yours? What is the inside look like? Ja modfiy it , etc? |
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USA
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Posted: 1/1/2008 10:16:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Westfork]
[#6]
Haven't modified it yet - came off a Swiss Army base just a few months ago. It will be mainly a flatbed farm truck with the box used only occasionally as a camper. Plenty of pictures out there if you search for Pinzgauer. Great little trucks.
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AUS
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Posted: 1/2/2008 5:04:53 AM EDT
[#7]
Here is mine from australia,
89 Diesel patrol. 4.2l straight 6 with a turbo on the side. All mechanical no electrics to worry about. 1500km range worst case fuel economy. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/aussie_extreme/P1020623.jpg |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2008 5:12:16 AM EDT
[#8]
i have but a single matchbox Hummer that has the smallest 50 cal on it...no ammo though
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2008 1:14:48 PM EDT
[#9]
Not a Hummer hater here. I've logged a good number of miles in HMMWVs and respect them for the role that they were intended for. That being said, they are just too dang wide for the typical trails and overgrown roads found here in the PNW. H2s and H3s, on the other hand... Get real. They are literally just Suburbans and Colorados with body kits. The H2 actually has poor ground clearance (breakover angle to be specific), limited storage space, and poor visibility. They are image vehicles. Yes, they would be better than walking. But so would a Toyota Corolla or any other vehicle. That does not mean that some choices are not better than others. Out of curiosity, if you were evacuating more than 300 miles, why would you NOT want a full size rig? Why would a small rig be better? |
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Posted: 1/3/2008 1:23:57 PM EDT
[#10]
That is cool as hell. Any more pics? |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2008 4:53:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mgpatty]
[#11]
Huumm...I guess a full-sized, quad cab pickup has a better breakover angle than a H2  I dont think that anyone has claimed, or would ever claim, that a Hummer H2 is the same as, or is as capable as a H1. As far as a Hummer H2 being just a Suburban with a body kit, that is inaccurate. Completely different animals. True they share some of the same parts, but they are tuned in a different manner. Drive both offroad and you'll see what I mean. As far as a H2 being built on a Surburban frame, true to a certain degree. The H2 frame is actually 7.2 inches more narrow and its 16 inches shorter than a Surburban ...189.9 inches to be exact. My question would be, so what? How long is a 2500 series crew cab? As far as limited storage space, I could probably live in the back of a H2 if the seats were folded down. Besides, if...and thats a big IF..I ever needed to bug out and haul away half of what I own I have other vehicles available. As far as visibility is concerned, I have excellent visibility out the front and to the sides. Visibility has never been a issue while I was wheelin'. As far as my choice of bov is concerned, I could never see myself needing to travel more than 150 miles to or from my bugout area/home. Unless it was Deep Impact, TEOTWAWKI situation. I feel quite comfortable that my H2 could handle any situation in the area where I live/travel.If I had to travel more than 300 miles, I would want a smaller, more inconspicuous vehilce, with better gas mileage. Something like a small Honda suv comes to mind. Lighter loads are faster, which is better. I definately wouldn't want to be hauling another vehicle/trailer. Besides being difficult to manuver, it would attract unwanted attention from the zombies. 
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Posted: 1/3/2008 5:22:32 PM EDT
[#12]
LOL at the debate as to whether or not an H2 is a good off-road choice.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2008 6:48:19 PM EDT
[#13]
For you guys bashing the H2-H3's read the latest Four Wheeler magazine. They're testing both this month.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2008 7:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mgpatty]
[#14]
Thanks for the info XM21Nick. Linky to the article....
www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/129_0710_2008_hummer_h2_sut_review/index.html |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 1:24:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BrianM4]
[#15]
From the article listed above. "It may not be a perfect machine, but it is hands-down the best fullsize out there, especially when it comes to wheeling." I have to disagree. The new style 3/4 ton Dodge Power Wagon. In my opinion is much better than an H2. 1st: It has solid axles front and rear!! Not unreliable IFS. 2nd: It is built on a HD 3/4 ton frame. Not a sized down half ton frame. 3rd: Has Factory Electric Lockers front and rear. Not just the rear. 4th: Has auto disconnecting front sway bar. 5th: Has a factory installed WARN HD winch. Only the H1 could compete that. 6th: Has heavy duty skid plates. Standard. H2 has skids. But the big H2 Logo skid is weak. 7th: Has a breakover angle of 25.5 inches. Which is better than the H2's 23.5LOOK HERE. I know it aint much, but somebody said a fullsize 3/4 ton pickup wouldent be better. 8th: It has solid axles front and rear!! With that said. I'm in the process of building my F150. Which is coming along nicely. And I also drive a well built Jeep XJ. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/MN-Cherokee/P1010232.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/MN-Cherokee/P1010242.jpg Takes me where I want to go. Brian |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 2:23:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mgpatty]
[#16]
I think you have your figures wrong on the break over angle of a H2 suv. The one you quoted was for a H2 SUT-the pic in the link is a SUT. The break over angle of a H2 suv is anywhere from 25.8 to 27.5 with the air suspension engaged. Like you said, it aint much but both figures beat the Dodge Power Wagon. As far as the new 3/4 Dodge Power Wagon being better....I respect your opinion, and you raised some valid points, but the editors of Four Wheeler magazine apparently disagree. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 3:51:11 AM EDT
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My full size Club Cab truck would not get high centered and stuck as easily as this: 
Of course not. Just like no one would bother to compare a Suburban or Trailblazer to a H1.
I would think that a diesel pickup would offer excellent utility and capability for any sort of bug out situation. Rugged, inconspicuous, decent fuel economy, higher likelihood of fuel availability, lots of cargo space, etc. You know, things that might actually be more useful than looking cool. The H2 offers limited interior space for it's overall size. And as you and others have noted, it is also conspicuous, or in other words all about image. It is far from an ideal offroad machine. If it works for you, great. By your own admission there are better choices. That might be something to take into consideration for those of us without unlimited funds. That is all that is being said. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 3:55:46 AM EDT
[#18]
That "article" reads like an advertisement. I quit caring about what Four Wheeler had to say about anything when they named a Lexus Four Wheeler Of The Year. 
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AUS
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Posted: 1/4/2008 9:28:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GQtim]
[#19]
yep mine is a swb the long wheelbase is around 16" longer iirc. They are much like the toyota landcruiser 80 it was designed as a rival to toyota. They run a much beefier axle, gearbox and xcase combo from nissans light truck range. the gearbox weights in around 400kg ht She has "barn doors" on the back which are bloody usefull, small door is one person wide! if you got something long just leave that door open. the bigger side i built a fold down table for so you can make lunch load a magazine easily ect when stoped http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/aussie_extreme/Newtyres9-12-06002.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/Trail-rush/Mt%20Dissapointment/P1020497.jpg http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r71/Trail-rush/Toolangi/12th%20May%2007/P1020882.jpg Its got more than enough room for 2 people for 2 weeks alone. Ive done it spent two weeks up in central australia with the missus was great. things to be added now turbo got it just not fitted yet, front locker and a winch then a 55l water tank and she will be purfect |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 9:59:52 AM EDT
[#20]
 Is that really the right angle to measure breakover angle? I've always wanted to know what mine is.. so I went out and took some measurements on my Tacoma. That angle with my measurements is 37.2 degrees! I just figured it would be close to what the H2's was?? Ground to frame measurement (frame is the lowest point) is 18.5 inches, Space between the tire patch contact is 110 inches.. if anyone feels like double checking my trig.. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 2:47:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BrianM4]
[#21]
Yes. That is how you measure break over angle.
And I highly doubt the H2 SUT and H2 Wagon are much different. Click Here! Then click on H2, then Details, Then Specs and Dimensions. Those are the specs straight from Hummer itself. Breakover angle is the same. No matter which H2 it is. The Power Wagon is better. Brian |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:19:13 PM EDT
[#22]
My first bugout Vehicle, 2001 Nissan Pathfinder, 4X4 of course, and it has a 5sp manual tranny. (sorry for the dealer photo
) Thinking in due time a brushguard on the front with a winch should do it up right. Not going to lift it, the suspension on there is pretty hardcore and it has reasonable ground clearance (for now). Anyway, enjoy!
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Posted: 1/4/2008 7:14:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Avalon01]
[#23]
Go start another thread about the H2 vs everyone else.
Sheesh. If the H2 is too big, then my half-track is a monster. The Pinz is cool. I like the box on back - how much can it hold? Av. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 10:08:06 PM EDT
[#24]
No picture at the moment. My only vehicle is a Chevy Silverado 2007 Classic 2LT 1500, extended cab, standard box, 5.3 liter FlexFuel, auto transmission, heavy duty trailering package, not a Z71 but has the skid plate, 4x4, auto-locking rear differential. Much better truck in the winter than my old 1995 Ford F150, 4.9 liter, manual transmission, long box, regular cab. The Chevy came with Wrangler S/T tires, though. I'd like to upgrade but there's no funds for that. So far, this winter, they've been fine.
GL |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2008 10:16:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mgpatty]
[#25]
Sorry, but you were, and still are WRONG....When in doubt, check the facts. Even the web specs that you linked show the breakover angle with the optional suspension (IE AIR) @ 27.5"  But dont take my word for it. Here are some more links that show the breakover angle of the H2....Look Here Look Here Once More Please let this drop, or we can start a thread on GD forum. Not trying to hijack this thread, but a pet peeve of mine is inaccurate info. You are entitled to a opinion, but please don't post inaccurate info just to try to prove a point.  |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:21:46 AM EDT
[#26]
I thought you were joking about the half-track being your BOV. That thing would be extremely impractical. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:29:37 AM EDT
[#27]
Unless every H2 is equipped with whatever the air suspension OPTION is, then he is still correct. And not only that, but if we are going to get into optional and aftermarket equipment and accessories, the Powerwagon with it's much sturdier solid front axle is more friendly to being lifted and the breakover angle dramatically improved. The IFS on the H2 can only be lifted with some sort of Rube Goldbergian tinker toy/erector set contraption that only further degrades it's already weak nature. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 11:46:45 AM EDT
[#28]
The GVW is about 8800 pounds. The truck weighs about 5200 pounds without the box, maybe 6300 pounds with it. Pictures of the inside of the box are a couple pages back in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 12:00:06 PM EDT
[#29]
140? You aint even started yet! 170+ |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 12:36:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mgpatty]
[#30]
Last time...... In order of worst to best breakover angle, I'll try to make it as simple as possible... SUT...23.5" H2 SUV 25.8" H2 SUV with air suspension engaged, which is standard depending on chosen package (think slt, sl, lx, gt, coupe, hatchback, etc. on other vehicles)....are you ready...27.5" Nothing needs to be added, welded, or bolted on to get 25.8" on a standard H2 suv, or even 27.5" if you chose a given available package. This is the way they arrive fresh from the factory. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 1:02:41 PM EDT
[#31]
So you are basically agreeing that without optional equipment the various H2 models at best only equal the Power Wagon in breakover angle. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:48:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Guys this thread is about BOV's, not whats better for Moab !
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:50:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Truth be told, something that would excel in Moab would not be ideal as a BOV. No one is going to be bugging out over the Rubicon, either. So let's hear your criteria for a BOV or a daily driver that can double as a BOV.  
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:37:56 PM EDT
[#34]
I just got this International 4800 4X4 a few months ago to be my daily driver, work truck/dump truck. It also has a big winch on the front.
This may sound crazy but the thought has crossed my mind to take some scrap sheet steel I have laying around to wrap around the front to protect the radiator and motor from bullets and such in a SHTF. I would not keep it on the truck but have it so it attaches with a pins. Right now I'm building the dump bed for it and stretching the frame. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:50:04 PM EDT
[#35]
I'd love to find a crew cab version of this exact truck to build a 4x4 RV from. Sheet metal won't stop bullets, however. You may look at dropping the coin for some armor plated steel and making a louver style grille guard that's detachable. The louvers would allow air flow, and the armor plate would stop bullets. |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 6:18:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C0Y0TE]
[#36]
I have some 1/2"-1" rusty scrap sheets of steel
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:38:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BrianM4]
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 3:29:15 AM EDT
[#38]
If I had the space to park it, I would love to convert one of these to a single rear axle: 
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Posted: 1/6/2008 9:35:02 AM EDT
[#39]
I agree completely. This makes the POwerWagon way superior over the H2 any day of the week. One big thing is simply cargo room. The H2 is sparse at best. Powerwagon has tons of space, this is ideal for carrying gear obviously. The H2 was never meant to be a MOAB contender by any means, it filled a niche, and that is basically of soccer moms and ad execs. The power wagon was meant to be a work horse. IMO, the comparison is apples to oranges. The only reason the H2 is even in this discussion is cuz its 4x4, thats it. Having 4x4 doesnt necessarily make a vehicle capable of doing great things. .02 |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 9:58:28 AM EDT
[#40]
a Jeep, but next to it is a Ram/PW. I am getting a new engine put in it, the driveline is solid. It is a work truck, Firewood and when I lift it 4 "s, a winch and some extras , It will be a back up support vehicle for the jeep runs. i HABE A sGT THAT HAD AN h2...He got rid of it, it sucked gas, more than the F250 4X4 he replaced it with.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:53:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BrianM4]
[#41]
I figured I should also add this. Now, this is not just to bash Hummers. It just happens to have some Hummers in the pic. It was taken at our 2007 Jeep club run. We were having a course on properly removing stuck vehicles for our new members. With winches, straps and other recovery gear. The Hummer owners didnt even have a strap with them. All the D Rings in the world dont help without a strap. If we hadent been there they would still be stuck.
Just another point about what was stated earlier in this thread. The most important part is not the vehicle you have. The Important part is that you carry the proper equipment and know how to use the vehicle and equipment. A better equipped vehicle just makes it easier. With that said. A better vehicle can also make a bad situation worse if you dont know how to drive. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/MacGyver_YJ/MN-Jeep065.jpg Brian |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:53:30 PM EDT
[#42]
I was looking at the PW for grins yesterday, is the Diesel an option or just the hemi?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 1:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BrianM4]
[#43]
Currently not an option. But I have heard that it may be available in the near future. That is probably the only reason I am holding off buying one. Because I know as soon as I do, they will release one with the Cummins in it. Just my luck.
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Posted: 1/6/2008 3:44:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Heres mine, its equipped with personal CB, gas cans, sleeping bags and fold out bed when SHTF
...also, sprayed 360 in Rhino Linings, can basically drive it straight through a forest!   Byrd |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 5:03:03 PM EDT
[#45]
 HELL YA, EAT MY DUST BITCHES |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:05:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Cool Car, I aways wanted one. 
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:20:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote from Mad Max: "The last of the great V8's" Awesome car. I like the way that one looks beat up and used instead of new and shiny. Brian |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:37:13 PM EDT
[#48]
+ 1 there brother!!
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2008 7:47:24 PM EDT
[#49]
It wouldn't surprise me to see one of the new Cummins V6 or V8 diesel engines being developed for lighter duty trucks become an option in the Power Wagon within the next few years. I'll just stick with my good old all mechanical, rock solid 6BT and add lockers and a winch should I so desire.
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Posted: 1/6/2008 7:53:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Nope. That picture is of my half-track. Impractical? Easy to work on, lot's of parts, armored, lot's of cargo space, pintle mount for my 1919, and battle proven. I off-road with it quite a bit, and if can get further across the terrain by me (corn fields) than any other vehicle I know. I don't live in an urban area, lot's of fields cut by small streams, and a lot of mud. It's the perfect vehicle. Av. |
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