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Posted: 2/14/2010 8:06:56 PM EDT

Their selection of firearms makes sense ...common firearms in use at the time ......well maybe not the full auto 1911.
Just when I thought I had purchased all the weapons my heart might desire................this FBI picture inspires me to drive on.

This can't be ALL of the gangs weapons ...can it ?

 








   
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:09:01 PM EDT
[#1]
whew that double barreled 12 gauge would be a bitch to fire.
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:09:24 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:10:17 PM EDT
[#3]
Lots of those weapons make appearances in "Public Enemies", and are very accurate to the time period. The full auto 1911 shows up too, and it looks just like that, with the tommy gun grip and all

cool pic!
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:10:49 PM EDT
[#4]
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I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?


If Im not mistaken, it was Clyde Barrow that preferred the BAR
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:11:17 PM EDT
[#5]
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I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?




I was wondering the same thing.
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:12:53 PM EDT
[#6]
How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:13:23 PM EDT
[#7]
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I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?


That was Bonnie and Clyde I think


oh yeah..... good call!

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:17:03 PM EDT
[#8]
Check out that pistol with the compensator, extended mag and VFG.  Damn.

The shorter auto shotgun  looks sweet.


ETA:

"Note the modified Colt government model M1911A1 pistol in caliber .38 Super in the lower left portion of the photograph. It has been modified to use a Colt Thompson vertical foregrip, extended box magazine, and fired fully automatic."
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:18:06 PM EDT
[#9]
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Check out that pistol with the cmpensator, extended mag and VFG.  Damn.

The shorter auto shotgun  looks sweet.


1911 Modified to full auto with a Thompson Grip and Compensator installed. Mag held 14-15 I believe

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:19:07 PM EDT
[#10]
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Check out that pistol with the cmpensator, extended mag and VFG.  Damn.

The shorter auto shotgun  looks sweet.


1911 Modified to full auto with a Thompson Grip and Compensator installed. Mag held 14-15 I believe



Yeah, I just googled it and added an edit as you posted.  Pretty wild pistol!


linkeroo

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:20:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Got to do what you got to do back in the depression era.Times were tough.
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:21:10 PM EDT
[#12]
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How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?


I was thinking the same thing......Drill and Tap ? Spot weld existing fore grip attachment into place on frame?  

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:31:27 PM EDT
[#13]
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whew that double barreled 12 gauge would be a bitch to fire.



20 gauge

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:34:08 PM EDT
[#14]
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whew that double barreled 12 gauge would be a bitch to fire.



20 gauge



That was a factory gun too if I remember. Ithaca Auto/Burglar I think.
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:48:01 PM EDT
[#15]
LINK

Sold for:  $19,120.00  


It would have been cool if the "jail break" gun  was in the FBI pic.........Gee, I wonder why the FBI would leave this Dillinger gang gun out of this pic    
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:49:43 PM EDT
[#16]
I get the impression that Mr. Dillinger didn't worry too much about recoil with that shorty double shotgun, because it was mostly used with the muzzles pressed up against something...

Just this vibe I'm getting from that particular weapon.
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 8:50:23 PM EDT
[#17]
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whew that double barreled 12 gauge would be a bitch to fire.



20 gauge



That was a factory gun too if I remember. Ithaca Auto/Burglar I think.


winner winner chicken dinner
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:03:14 PM EDT
[#18]
DALLAS, July 26 (UPI) –– A pistol once owned by John Dillinger was sold at public auction in Dallas for more than double the pre-auction estimate, the auction gallery director said.

The winning bid was $95,600, Heritage Auction Galleries Director of Militaria Dennis Lowe said in a news release. The gun sold Saturday was the one the notorious gangster was carrying when he was arrested in Tucson, six months before he was gunned down in Chicago.

"It's a Remington .41 caliber Double Derringer that was confiscated from Dillinger when he and members of his gang were taken into custody in Tucson in January 1934," Lowe said.

It had been expected to sell for $35,000 to $45,000.

"The winning bidder is a Los Angeles area collector," said Lowe. "The consignor is a member of a prominent Tucson family who also wants to remain anonymous. He owned this historic gun for 50 years but sold it because of his declining health."

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:05:36 PM EDT
[#19]
Wow interesting thread. I would guess the Thompson grip is attached via a couple of screws through the 1911's dust cover. Never had a Thompson apart, is there any metal inside the grip that they could have spot welded to the dust cover?  

 
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:07:22 PM EDT
[#20]



Quoted:


How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?



picatinny rail




 
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:19:17 PM EDT
[#21]
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Wow interesting thread. I would guess the Thompson grip is attached via a couple of screws through the 1911's dust cover. Never had a Thompson apart, is there any metal inside the grip that they could have spot welded to the dust cover?    


Hell,   might just have run screws straight through the wood grip and into the frame KISS style. Sure wish I could find better pics    

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:41:13 PM EDT
[#22]
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Wow interesting thread. I would guess the Thompson grip is attached via a couple of screws through the 1911's dust cover. Never had a Thompson apart, is there any metal inside the grip that they could have spot welded to the dust cover?    



No......just has a bolt though the grip at attachs to a flat piece of metal on the Thompson.

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 9:59:26 PM EDT
[#23]
When we went to see Public Enemies,I had to carry appropriately.

 In my pocket,of course.

 
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 10:09:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Hey InTheArmyNow

Read your IM


Mike
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 10:16:46 PM EDT
[#25]



Quoted:


I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?


Wasn't that Bonnie & Clyde, who were the huge BAR fans?



 
Link Posted: 2/14/2010 11:17:48 PM EDT
[#26]
After Dillinger was killed as he exited the Biograph Theater in Chicago, the Ford Model A was impounded by police and returned to Robert Johnson, the original owner of the vehicle until he was robbed by Dillinger’s gang. The bullet-bruised vehicle was left parked and nearly untouched for three decades, after which a man by the name of Alfred Love bought it from Johnson. Love eventually passed on the Model A to his son Mark Love, the current owner.

In 2007, the Ford Model A was carefully restored to appear in “Public Enemies” a movie starring Johnny Depp who portrayed Public Enemy No.1, John Dillinger.

Seems like a true piece of America History and was sold at a recent Barrett Jackson Auction I think.




Link Posted: 2/14/2010 11:19:33 PM EDT
[#27]
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When we went to see Public Enemies,I had to carry appropriately.

 In my pocket,of course.

 http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/kerpow/colt.jpg


You Sir are a Historian and an example for us all

Link Posted: 2/14/2010 11:40:14 PM EDT
[#28]
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Hey InTheArmyNow
Read your IM
Mike


Found a Pic of it

John Dillinger posing with a Thompson and the wooden pistol he claimed he used in breaking out of the Crown Point, Indiana, jail in 1934.
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 12:25:48 AM EDT
[#29]
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I'm not seeing it, but I thought JD liked a BAR with a cut down stock?

Wasn't that Bonnie & Clyde, who were the huge BAR fans?
 



Yes.....they stole them from NG armories, and Clyde cut some of them into what he called Scatterguns.



http://texashideout.tripod.com/guns.html
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 12:42:09 AM EDT
[#30]
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LINK

Sold for:  $19,120.00  
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dillingers-wooden-gun-1024x432.jpg

It would have been cool if the "jail break" gun  was in the FBI pic.........Gee, I wonder why the FBI would leave this Dillinger gang gun out of this pic    


I remember reading somewhere that Dillinger started using the wooden pistol because it jammed less than his 1911
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 12:42:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
LINK

Sold for:  $19,120.00  
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dillingers-wooden-gun-1024x432.jpg

It would have been cool if the "jail break" gun  was in the FBI pic.........Gee, I wonder why the FBI would leave this Dillinger gang gun out of this pic    


I remember reading somewhere that Dillinger started using the wooden pistol because it jammed less than his 1911
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 12:51:04 AM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:


How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?



JD and a lot of those boys had the help of a pretty good gunsmith down in TX IIRC.

 
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 12:55:23 AM EDT
[#33]
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How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?

JD and a lot of those boys had the help of a pretty good gunsmith down in TX IIRC.  


Hyman Lehman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 1:01:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 1:14:25 AM EDT
[#35]
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LINK

Sold for:  $19,120.00  
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dillingers-wooden-gun-1024x432.jpg

It would have been cool if the "jail break" gun  was in the FBI pic.........Gee, I wonder why the FBI would leave this Dillinger gang gun out of this pic    


I remember reading somewhere that Dillinger started using the wooden pistol because it jammed less than his 1911


He was using an original, normal toleranced 1911 and those have never had a reputation for jamming. We used the fuckers for 75 years in the military. Pull your head out and contribute something to this cool thread.

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 1:21:36 AM EDT
[#36]



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Quoted:

How did they mount that tommy grip anyway?



JD and a lot of those boys had the help of a pretty good gunsmith down in TX IIRC.  




Hyman Lehman



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman






That's the one.





 
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 1:29:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Indeed this could easliy turn into another glock-bomb thread... I wonder if the glock was around when Dillinger was alive, Melvin Purvis's team would have never got him on July 22....The glock would have done the job during some informal plinking...maybe his wooden gun was the forerunner to the Glock
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 1:37:39 AM EDT
[#38]
I have been kicking around the idea of building a semi auto copy of the Lehman 38 super. I'd probably register it has a SBR with a detachable stock though.
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 2:18:08 AM EDT
[#39]



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I have been kicking around the idea of building a semi auto copy of the Lehman 38 super. I'd probably register it has a SBR with a detachable stock though.



That would be cool.





 
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 2:46:55 AM EDT
[#40]
Lets see

Thompson
1911 in .38 super
Auto 5
1903
Pre woodsman





Looks like I still have more to go.
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 2:52:38 AM EDT
[#41]
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Lets see

Thompson
1911 in .38 super
Auto 5
1903
Pre woodsman





Looks like I still have more to go.


That's a Remington model 11...not a Browning [ though similar]

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 2:55:12 AM EDT
[#42]
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I have been kicking around the idea of building a semi auto copy of the Lehman 38 super. I'd probably register it has a SBR with a detachable stock though.

That would be cool.

 


Just have to find a 1911 in 38 super.....cheap enuff to gun butcher.

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 2:55:38 AM EDT
[#43]
doubled
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 3:01:40 AM EDT
[#44]
I like those .351 Winchester semiauto rifles........
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 3:31:11 AM EDT
[#45]
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I have been kicking around the idea of building a semi auto copy of the Lehman 38 super. I'd probably register it has a SBR with a detachable stock though.

That would be cool.

 


Just have to find a 1911 in 38 super.....cheap enuff to gun butcher.



SARCO has RIA in .38 Super for $389.
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 3:54:11 AM EDT
[#46]
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I have been kicking around the idea of building a semi auto copy of the Lehman 38 super. I'd probably register it has a SBR with a detachable stock though.

That would be cool.

 


Just have to find a 1911 in 38 super.....cheap enuff to gun butcher.



SARCO has RIA in .38 Super for $389.



Hmmm....will have to look into that..thx

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 3:56:20 AM EDT
[#47]
Well I may be wrong, but when is was a kid we took a tour of the FBI HQ in DC.
One of the displays was for Dillinger. In that display was a 20MM cannon that he
reportedly wanted to mount in the rear window of his getta-way car....to thwart
would-be persuers.
I looked on-line and could find no verification for this. But I clearly remember the cannon
in a display case at FBI HQ.
Link Posted: 2/15/2010 4:01:50 AM EDT
[#48]
That Tacticool 1911 was way ahead of its time

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 4:12:13 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Well I may be wrong, but when is was a kid we took a tour of the FBI HQ in DC.
One of the displays was for Dillinger. In that display was a 20MM cannon that he
reportedly wanted to mount in the rear window of his getta-way car....to thwart
would-be persuers.
I looked on-line and could find no verification for this. But I clearly remember the cannon
in a display case at FBI HQ.



Never heard of Dillinger having a 20mm, but there was a bank robber that tied to use one on a job. It was the bases for the Thunderbolt and Lightfoot movie IIRC.

Link Posted: 2/15/2010 4:12:14 AM EDT
[#50]
How was the 1911 modified to fire full auto? Was the disconnector dimple in the slide milled longer?
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