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Posted: 3/24/2017 12:36:33 PM EDT
Harrison Ford calls the tower immediately after he lands on the taxiway. Audio of the call at the link.
Harrison Ford calls the tower |
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he needs to hire pilots to fly his planes and relegate himself to flying 2nd seat...
hopefully his celebrity status won't cut any ice with the FAA imo |
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he needs to hire pilots to fly his planes and relegate himself to flying 2nd seat... hopefully his celebrity status won't cut any ice with the FAA imo View Quote Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. |
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. View Quote |
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The FAA has to be this close to yanking his certificate.
I can't even think of a pilot that has fucked up as many times as he has. ETA: man after listening to the audio I feel kinda bad for him. Calling the tower and knowing that your info is going to FSDO isn't a fun experience. |
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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he needs to hire pilots to fly his planes and relegate himself to flying 2nd seat... hopefully his celebrity status won't cut any ice with the FAA imo Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. |
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I've seen airlines do it, military aircraft do it. People get lost all the time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. He made a mistake, his eyes and brain were not on the same page. But by him noticing the 737 and not hitting it, means he's still fit to fly. |
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does the NASA "get out of jail free" form work for landing on a taxiway?
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does the NASA "get out of jail free" form work for landing on a taxiway? View Quote Regardless he could take multiple violations and still keep his ticket.......but he has got to be close to losing it at this point. As others have mentioned, I see a 709 ride in his near future |
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Ive flown with ATPs who have made a mistake, admit it and move on as long as you didn't hurt anyone or the plane.
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does the NASA "get out of jail free" form work for landing on a taxiway? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The FAA has to be this close to yanking his certificate. I can't even think of a pilot that has fucked up as many times as he has. ETA: man after listening to the audio I feel kinda bad for him. Calling the tower and knowing that your info is going to FSDO isn't a fun experience. |
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So flying right over a taxiing 737 full of passengers is an honest mistake?
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You get one every five years. I'm pretty sure his close encounter with the 737 a while back burned him on that one. Regardless he could take multiple violations and still keep his ticket.......but he has got to be close to losing it at this point. As others have mentioned, I see a 709 ride in his near future View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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does the NASA "get out of jail free" form work for landing on a taxiway? Regardless he could take multiple violations and still keep his ticket.......but he has got to be close to losing it at this point. As others have mentioned, I see a 709 ride in his near future |
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I am going to say this and I am sure I'll get flamed for it. He made a mistake, his eyes and brain were not on the same page. But by him noticing the 737 and not hitting it, means he's still fit to fly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. He made a mistake, his eyes and brain were not on the same page. But by him noticing the 737 and not hitting it, means he's still fit to fly. |
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What's a 709 ride ? View Quote In the context of FAA enforcement, it basically means you have to take a shortened check ride on what you fucked up. In this instance, he'd probably have to do a series of takeoffs and landings at an airfield with an operating control tower. |
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We had a small passenger Jet at the airport in Lexington KY take off on the wrong run way a few years back. It was too short killed all but the copilot I believe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. He made a mistake, his eyes and brain were not on the same page. But by him noticing the 737 and not hitting it, means he's still fit to fly. |
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If I recall correctly, the ASRS form only protects you from certificate action, but not from reexamination. What fuck ups? The only other one I'm aware of is his landing on a golf course that wasn't attributable to him. View Quote http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/harrison-ford-comes-dangerously-close-to-plane-collision-video-w468238 |
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Short for 49 U.S. Code § 44709, the FAA can reexamine an airman at any time. In the context of FAA enforcement, it basically means you have to take a shortened check ride on what you fucked up. In this instance, he'd probably have to do a series of takeoffs and landings at an airfield with an operating control tower. View Quote |
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The FAA has to be this close to yanking his certificate. I can't even think of a pilot that has fucked up as many times as he has. ETA: man after listening to the audio I feel kinda bad for him. Calling the tower and knowing that your info is going to FSDO isn't a fun experience. View Quote He might get a letter, a fine, and what ever else they do that's a slap on the wrist, but this isn't like when grandpa confuses the brake for the gas. |
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Bullshit. A small incident while training with a helo Instructor, his plane blew over from wind on the runway, an engine failure on takeoff that was not his fault and he kept it from being a lawn dart, and this latest incident is something that happens to many pilots, even commercial crews. He might get a letter, a fine, and what ever else they do that's a slap on the wrist, but this isn't like when grandpa confuses the brake for the gas. View Quote I should have read more carefully. But still, Feds don't play around. Even one incident like that might be all it takes |
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So flying right over a taxiing 737 full of passengers is an honest mistake? View Quote Another problem is the residential encroachment and noise abatement. Take-offs from some runways can be a bit different. Hard full throttle and a high angle after take-off to climb then cut the throttle and glide over the houses. Also, Ford may have not seen the 737 due to the longer nose and landing approach on his aircraft until he was past it. If that's the case it's less serious, however if he saw the jet *before* landing, he should have aborted. |
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So you never made a mistake while driving? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So flying right over a taxiing 737 full of passengers is an honest mistake? Aviation demands a much higher level of perfection and compliance. Blame FAA, Newton and Darwin. |
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In his defense, that Charlie taxiway used to be an actual runway, and you can still see the runway markings from the air. I don't blame him for making that mistake, even the professional airline crews make that mistake, once in a while. And no, that 737 wasn't on the taxi way yet, when he landed. Also, it was a good stabilized approach, and subsequent landing.
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It really isn't comparable at all. I wish it were, though. Aviation demands a much higher level of perfection and compliance. Blame FAA, Newton and Darwin. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So flying right over a taxiing 737 full of passengers is an honest mistake? Aviation demands a much higher level of perfection and compliance. Blame FAA, Newton and Darwin. I didn't fully grasp it until I started to take lessons. |
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In the early 80s we had a JAL crew takeoff from ANC on a taxiway. It was a bit short and he remodeled some shit with the main gear but he got airborne and elected to fly home rather than getting fired in Alaska View Quote Taxiway kilo westbound right into a snow bank. Then radio silence from them all the way to Taipei. |
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Other than sitting in a passenger seat, I am unfamiliar with flying. Can you please explain what the series of photos show?
Thanks, JPK |
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In his defense, that Charlie taxiway used to be an actual runway, and you can still see the runway markings from the air. I don't blame him for making that mistake, even the professional airline crews make that mistake, once in a while. And no, that 737 wasn't on the taxi way yet, when he landed. Also, it was a good stabilized approach, and subsequent landing. View Quote |
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Regardless, he'd likely only be looking at remedial training at best and a 709 ride at the worst. Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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he needs to hire pilots to fly his planes and relegate himself to flying 2nd seat... hopefully his celebrity status won't cut any ice with the FAA imo Landing on the wrong runway or even the taxiway isn't exactly an uncommon mistake, even with two pilot professional aircrews. |
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We had a small passenger Jet at the airport in Lexington KY take off on the wrong run way a few years back. It was too short killed all but the copilot I believe. View Quote Tower guy never actually looked at the aircraft before clearing it for takeoff. Pilots got confused by poorly designed intersection and lined up on wrong RWY. It lead to reconstruction of those (2) runways IIRC. I don't recall their being any construction equipment involved as another poster wrote. They just ran outa runway and ended up in the field/tree-line after running out of pavement. |
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In the early 80s we had a JAL crew takeoff from ANC on a taxiway. It was a bit short and he remodeled some shit with the main gear but he got airborne and elected to fly home rather than getting fired in Alaska View Quote |
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Yes, this happens albeit rarely. A more common incident is landing at geographically close but wrong airports or taking off from the wrong runway. From comments of local pilots, John Wayne is laid out in an odd way. That taxiway is where a runway would normally be and vice versa. The taxiway runs down the middle. Some locals in news articles said the airport has had incidents like this happen before and will happen again. Another problem is the residential encroachment and noise abatement. Take-offs from some runways can be a bit different. Hard full throttle and a high angle after take-off to climb then cut the throttle and glide over the houses. Also, Ford may have not seen the 737 due to the longer nose and landing approach on his aircraft until he was past it. If that's the case it's less serious, however if he saw the jet *before* landing, he should have aborted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So flying right over a taxiing 737 full of passengers is an honest mistake? Another problem is the residential encroachment and noise abatement. Take-offs from some runways can be a bit different. Hard full throttle and a high angle after take-off to climb then cut the throttle and glide over the houses. Also, Ford may have not seen the 737 due to the longer nose and landing approach on his aircraft until he was past it. If that's the case it's less serious, however if he saw the jet *before* landing, he should have aborted. They also added rabbit lights and REILs while every ATIS still says "Do not mistake taxiway Alpha for Runway 35". |
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