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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:53:24 PM EDT
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Just wait until it's your job.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clinton, you mean. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many of you remember the 92 debates between Perot and Gore?? Gore was saying NAFTA would bring the worlds wages up to our level,while Perot was saying they would bring ours down,along with the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country. "No one could have seen this coming"   |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:54:20 PM EDT
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I agree. A min. wage tells the business what it has to pay you not what the market should pay you. Get rid of min. wage and see how many jobs offer more money because they have to in order to employ people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS I agree. A min. wage tells the business what it has to pay you not what the market should pay you. Get rid of min. wage and see how many jobs offer more money because they have to in order to employ people. That works as long as we aren't importing blue collar workers and offering them amnesty. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:54:50 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model.  I wonder if info was left out of the article, and a proper 'quote' would be: We can only be profitable if we pay workers $5.85/hr, because on top of that, we're paying $12 to $15 per hour in regulatory fees, taxes, union benefit fund payments, not to mention the extra administrative expenses for all that paperwork........, |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:55:38 PM EDT
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He means Cruz who supports NAFTA, TPP and 500,000 H1B visas for US "job growth". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many of you remember the 92 debates between Perot and Gore?? Gore was saying NAFTA would bring the worlds wages up to our level,while Perot was saying they would bring ours down,along with the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country. "No one could have seen this coming" that too
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:57:24 PM EDT
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Didn't read the cite but I'll be it was the union who released the "quote".
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:59:03 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. And to completely ignore the entire "hey we're getting buttfucked by insane regulation and taxation" and lay the entire blame in the laps of the employees is fucking asinine. Who the fuck is running this joint? ETA: I fell for it. LoL Fuck unions. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:59:06 PM EDT
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In before weird angry arfcom guys say that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage. since quite a few live in their mom's basement....they don't have rent or a house payment they are golden at $5.85 an hour |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 1:59:47 PM EDT
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Free Trade bro.... we should in no way prevent China from exporting their slave wage built shit boxes to the US. Bring back tariffs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Bring back tariffs. I hear ya! And fucking let's pull our fucking military out from every fucking place. We protect these companies shipping lanes and security leaving our country, fuck the world. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:00:57 PM EDT
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Holy Shit! $23.00 an hour in Ohio? WTF, everyone must be driving Escalades and eating lobster. I know right, balling like mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. Quote HistoryQuoted: "We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:01:19 PM EDT
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Cartel? Yeah you're right...unions are indeed cartels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. The union is the one who released the "quote". The union is the ones who are causing the problems. Fuck them. Says the beneficiary of cartel labor policies. Cartel? Yeah you're right...unions are indeed cartels. As is the .mil. My point. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:02:35 PM EDT
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Unions always kills businesses in the end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. Another cartel laborist speaks. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:03:27 PM EDT
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This is what the future looks like. Automation is going to be the death of civilization.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't buy anything they built after Feb 10, 2016, there may be some defects not good for your house. Just sayin' |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:08:18 PM EDT
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Hmm. Buy a possibly sabotaged product built by a union thug or a product built by a mexican making a decent wage in his country. I'm really torn up about this move to mexico. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy anything they built after Feb 10, 2016, there may be some defects not good for your house. Just sayin' Hmm. Buy a possibly sabotaged product built by a union thug or a product built by a mexican making a decent wage in his country. I'm really torn up about this move to mexico. After Feb 10, you get the disgruntled worker that may be sabotaging the product. Then later on, you get the inexperienced worker, new process, and unproven equipment. Not seeing an upside to buying anything built after the announcement was made to move. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:08:52 PM EDT
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Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yep, all the more reason to never buy a Carrier. I believe Trane is still made in the US. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:09:03 PM EDT
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This is what the future looks like. Automation is going to be the death of civilization. Naw man,it's gonna be great.We will all just hang out in our colorful robes and recite poetry and shit all day. Freedom from work and all your responsibilities will be taken care of by the gov. ' It'll be groovy......... |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:10:30 PM EDT
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In before weird angry arfcom guys say that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage. The only way 5.85 is ok is if you are importing illiterate animals from 3rd world countries. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:12:12 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Or move to mexico |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:23:21 PM EDT
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Just wait until it's your job. Have useful skills and keep obtaining lifelong education/skills and you will find another. Just coast through life without continuing education/skill building and you have no one to blame but yourself. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:26:25 PM EDT
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Union propoganda. And its working just as intended.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:28:43 PM EDT
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/call-6-carrier-said-it-might-stay-if-workers-cut-their-pay-to-585-an-hour Call 6 Investigates found out that during those talks Carrier apparently told the union they could possibly stay if the workers agreed to cut their pay from about $23 an hour to $5.85 an hour. Carrier is supposed to save about $65 million a year when it moves to Mexico in 2017. 
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:29:13 PM EDT
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Perhaps their business model has become shitty due to government's over regulation of everything. I wonder what payroll taxes the company pays for their $23/hour workers.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Perhaps their business model has become shitty due to government's over regulation of everything. I wonder what payroll taxes the company pays for their $23/hour workers.... About another $5/hr plus another 50 cents an hour for comp insurance and stuff assuming a regular 40 hours a week. This doesn't include medical benefits, 401k matching or anything else. This translates to an additional 13k a year per employee per year, or about 19.5 million annually. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:32:30 PM EDT
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Rheem does have a plant in Mexico. I know because I handle the warranty side of replacing the shit parts from Mexico
Oh I know, I was at their plant in Nuevo Laredo not too long ago. Too many companies see the labor rates in MX and think it's just that easy to move there and everything will be fine. That's rarely the case. That average labor rate, cited for the Union labor is too high. But the company never should have made the concessions which brought them there in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:33:47 PM EDT
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This is why I have come to believe in tariffs.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:34:39 PM EDT
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Their company their choice. As citizens we do not have to allow their products into the US or to do so without significant tariffs and inspection periods. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:36:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another cartel laborist speaks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "We are disappointed the union has apparently chosen to negotiate through the media, rather than engage in productive discussions with us. The company never suggested our employees should work for $5.85. The union was told that to achieve the $65 million in annual savings resulting from the relocation, the average hourly wage rate would need to be $5.85 per hour. That is not possible and shows why the company believes the union cannot offer concessions sufficient to change the company's intent to relocate. That’s why it’s time for the union to return to the table to talk about what’s important now, reaching an agreement that provides clarity and certainty for our employees during the transition." Looks like the union is just trying to cause problems... lol...Fuck unions..you get what you deserve. Another cartel laborist speaks. Do you enjoy paying dues to gargle union boss balls? The rest of the public doesn't like the higher prices for lower quality goods and services that union labor provides. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:37:33 PM EDT
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This is why I have come to believe in tariffs. they work great for mexico and china. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:37:47 PM EDT
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Brutal fact about artificial minimum wages, you can always find cheaper labor somewhere else. Brutal fact, you do not have to allow their company to import products. Or have access to the IM EX Bank. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:41:04 PM EDT
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He's right about the rest though. Minimum wage jobs are there to give you experience and move on,not raise a family on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There shouldnt be any minimum wage. If the market commands a certain hourly wage then it's capitalism. Look at singapore - they dont have a minmum wage. All their service sector McJobs consist of elderly and teens. Able bodied adults have to work on their skills and get a job that supports their families. None of this lazy FSA work 20 hours a week and get gov aid BS He's right about the rest though. Minimum wage jobs are there to give you experience and move on,not raise a family on. No actually argues that point except for the Democrats. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:42:11 PM EDT
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Hmm. Buy a possibly sabotaged product built by a union thug or a product built by a mexican making a decent wage in his country. I'm really torn up about this move to mexico. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't buy anything they built after Feb 10, 2016, there may be some defects not good for your house. Just sayin' Hmm. Buy a possibly sabotaged product built by a union thug or a product built by a mexican making a decent wage in his country. I'm really torn up about this move to mexico. When your taxes go up to support medicaid, food stamps, and welfare of those who formerly had jobs, get back to us. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. I believe that is what the labor will cost in Mexico and they are being smart asses about it. A tariff would wipe that smile off their face. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before weird angry arfcom guys say that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage.  |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:45:33 PM EDT
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they work great for mexico and china. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I have come to believe in tariffs. they work great for mexico and china. Tariffs are the reason why Toyota started building trucks in the US. Because they did not want to pay the tax on importing their vehicles. GM makes their vehicle parts and some vehicles in Mexico because NAFTA eliminated most of the tariffs on imports into the US. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:45:36 PM EDT
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I wonder if info was left out of the article, and a proper 'quote' would be: We can only be profitable if we pay workers $5.85/hr, because on top of that, we're paying $12 to $15 per hour in regulatory fees, taxes, union benefit fund payments, not to mention the extra administrative expenses for all that paperwork........, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. I wonder if info was left out of the article, and a proper 'quote' would be: We can only be profitable if we pay workers $5.85/hr, because on top of that, we're paying $12 to $15 per hour in regulatory fees, taxes, union benefit fund payments, not to mention the extra administrative expenses for all that paperwork........, http://tacna.net/mexico-vs-china/ This explains why Mexico and not China. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:46:07 PM EDT
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I believe that is what the labor will cost in Mexico and they are being smart asses about it. A tariff would wipe that smile off their face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. I believe that is what the labor will cost in Mexico and they are being smart asses about it. A tariff would wipe that smile off their face. Costs of moving, finance, compliance and labor issues, benefits (pantry bonus, attendance bonus, profit sharing bonus, Infonavit, Securidad Social, on and on) will wipe the smile off their face anyway. And then the theft, fictitious employees, fictitious vendors, random SAT audits, Annex 24 compliance, IMMEX certification, floating IVA (VAT tax) until they're certified and so forth will make them pine for the days of US labor. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:48:00 PM EDT
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So building A/C units is the same or easier than flipping burger? Got it.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Costs of moving, finance, compliance and labor issues, benefits (pantry bonus, attendance bonus, profit sharing bonus, Infonavit, Securidad Social, on and on) will wipe the smile off their face anyway. And then the theft, fictitious employees, fictitious vendors, random SAT audits, Annex 24 compliance, IMMEX certification and so forth will make them pine for the days of US labor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. I believe that is what the labor will cost in Mexico and they are being smart asses about it. A tariff would wipe that smile off their face. Costs of moving, finance, compliance and labor issues, benefits (pantry bonus, attendance bonus, profit sharing bonus, Infonavit, Securidad Social, on and on) will wipe the smile off their face anyway. And then the theft, fictitious employees, fictitious vendors, random SAT audits, Annex 24 compliance, IMMEX certification and so forth will make them pine for the days of US labor. And I will be in the market for a new unit in the next few years. Won't be a carrier. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:48:37 PM EDT
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In before weird angry arfcom guys say that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage. I'm not weird, I'm not angry, I own a business that employs people. My lowest paid employee makes over $30k a year. I still believe that $5.85 is a perfectly fine wage. Explain to me why it's not. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:49:13 PM EDT
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And I will be in the market for a new unit in the next few years. Won't be a carrier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. I believe that is what the labor will cost in Mexico and they are being smart asses about it. A tariff would wipe that smile off their face. Costs of moving, finance, compliance and labor issues, benefits (pantry bonus, attendance bonus, profit sharing bonus, Infonavit, Securidad Social, on and on) will wipe the smile off their face anyway. And then the theft, fictitious employees, fictitious vendors, random SAT audits, Annex 24 compliance, IMMEX certification and so forth will make them pine for the days of US labor. And I will be in the market for a new unit in the next few years. Won't be a carrier. Probably a wise decision. Quality WILL suffer. WILL. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. Or move your company somewhere that doesn't have the tax burdens and labor costs of the US. You know, because they're competing against companies who don't have those costs |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have useful skills and keep obtaining lifelong education/skills and you will find another. Just coast through life without continuing education/skill building and you have no one to blame but yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just wait until it's your job. Have useful skills and keep obtaining lifelong education/skills and you will find another. Just coast through life without continuing education/skill building and you have no one to blame but yourself. Yep, pretty much this. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 2:57:09 PM EDT
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This is why I have come to believe in tariffs. Tariffs are the only way, period. You'll get a bunch of guys comolaining about what they'll pay for their steel and aluminum, but there is really no down side to it. These short sighted people don't realize that their market is already overcrowded with Chinese junk, possibly from their own intellectual property. These short sighted people can't see that we have the ultimate trade bargaining chip - food. Entire countries would starve to death of not for U.S. agriculture. These short sighted people don't realize that we don't need Chinese toys, Mexican batteries and Saudi oil. We don't need Tiwanese clothing or linen, or Vietnamese shoes. However, people will still buy the $100 pair of Nike's that cost $3 to make and a few more to ship per unit. Eventually there will be no money left to have a need for dishwashers, waitresses, and Wal-Mart greeters because we exported it all for shitty, cheap steel, throw away plastic junk and to buy technologies we invented here. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:06:09 PM EDT
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This is what the future looks like. Automation is going to be the death of civilization. Can the mexican factory worker afford a home.....one with A/C? I guess the theory is that certain advantages will eventually disappear and manufacturing will mostly be local.....by robots...for????? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:06:29 PM EDT
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If the only way your company can remain profitable is to pay your workers $5.85/hr, then maybe it's time to reexamine your shitty business model. They did re-examine their business model. That's why they're moving to Mexico. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the fuck would authorize this statement? On what planet would this sort of statement garner support for the company? They need to fire their PR rep. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Carrier moving this plant to Mexico is already bigger news than Carrier ever would have wanted it to be. They will lose business over it already. Now this? Just gas on the fire. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So building A/C units is the same or easier than flipping burger? Got it. I take it that you've never worked on an assembly line |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait until it's your job. Some people have jobs that can not be automated or shipped overseas. If you have one that does, it's the chance you take. Or you could just sit around and blame capitalism for not getting paid the $20 hour you think you are worth. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 3:14:31 PM EDT
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Just pushes more to Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What fucking retard would even suggest something so fucking stupid? It's honestly just a fuck you to all of the people they will be firing. Just pushes more to Trump. Who has some of his manufacturing overseas 
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