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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:00:56 AM EDT
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:04:30 AM EDT
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Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general.  In order for Cruz to even get a second vote he has to stop Trump from hitting 1237 in the first place..how does he do that? Trump is ahead in enough of the remaining races to easily double what he needs..heck he may well get 70-80% of the remaining delegates the way things are looking........
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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:05:08 AM EDT
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Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Even though GOPe has now started openly fucking Cruz in the ass 
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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:12:48 AM EDT
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The guy that got us the Heller ruling...getting called a liar.. When 2A starts getting some nails in the coffin....we did it to ourselves... We can't even figure out who the best candidate is when it comes to the entire reason most people visit this website... Doesn't matter who you, I or ARFCOM thinks is the best candidate...the majority/plurality has spoken. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 2:16:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though GOPe has now started openly fucking Cruz in the ass Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Even though GOPe has now started openly fucking Cruz in the ass |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 7:49:22 AM EDT
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They kind of do vote again......through their elected delegates. If a candidate drops out, his delegates are free to vote their conscience as a proxy for their district/precinct at the convention assuming no candidate reached a majority of delegates (that magic 1237 that nobody has locked up yet) during the primaries. The candidate that dropped out can endorse another, and expect his delegates to vote that way, but it's not a requirement for them to do so. Trump has a lot of delegates that will abandon him if it goes to a second vote at the convention. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It wouldn't be Trump screwing anybody over. If that happens it's because the GOP failed to rally behind the front runner and the will of the majority of the voters. Wether you like it or not, Trump has more votes than the other candidates. There are way more "not-Trump" votes than there are Trump votes. Answer me this. Where are the candidates they voted for? By that logic, we should let those states vote again for the remaining candidates  They kind of do vote again......through their elected delegates. If a candidate drops out, his delegates are free to vote their conscience as a proxy for their district/precinct at the convention assuming no candidate reached a majority of delegates (that magic 1237 that nobody has locked up yet) during the primaries. The candidate that dropped out can endorse another, and expect his delegates to vote that way, but it's not a requirement for them to do so. Trump has a lot of delegates that will abandon him if it goes to a second vote at the convention. So in other words, the process is working as intended?
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Posted: 4/29/2016 7:50:52 AM EDT
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“Facts are stubborn things,” Cruz says in the ad clip pulled from CNN. “But he [Kasich] has no path to the nomination. It’s mathematically impossible.” “I think any candidate, if you don’t have a clear path to winning, it doesn’t make sense to stay in the race,” Cruz adds. Ted Cruz has no path to the nomination because it is mathematically impossible... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The problem with that stance is, no one but Trump can get to 1,237. Are we willing to toss out the results of all of the primaries because the leading candidate ended up with "only" 1,220 or however many delegates? Because the leader fell just short of 1,237 we won't care that his opponent had only 600 (or however many) and disregard everything else and essentially start over? Trump wasn't my first choice, but he's now the only choice. That's how a democracy works: the person with the most votes wins, everyone else is a loser. Yes. Because those have been the rules of the elections since they started. This is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC. Jesus Christ, this is why I can't take Trumpettes seriously, none of you know how this country works. It's all emotion, feels, and bravo sierra with you. “Facts are stubborn things,” Cruz says in the ad clip pulled from CNN. “But he [Kasich] has no path to the nomination. It’s mathematically impossible.” “I think any candidate, if you don’t have a clear path to winning, it doesn’t make sense to stay in the race,” Cruz adds. Ted Cruz has no path to the nomination because it is mathematically impossible... And unless Trump wins Indiana and does really well in California and the other states, Trump will have no path to the nomination either, and it will be mathematically impossible to win 1237 delegates. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 7:52:02 AM EDT
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In order for Cruz to even get a second vote he has to stop Trump from hitting 1237 in the first place..how does he do that? Trump is ahead in enough of the remaining races to easily double what he needs..heck he may well get 70-80% of the remaining delegates the way things are looking........Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. In order for Cruz to even get a second vote he has to stop Trump from hitting 1237 in the first place..how does he do that? Trump is ahead in enough of the remaining races to easily double what he needs..heck he may well get 70-80% of the remaining delegates the way things are looking........And if he does, he will have won it fair and square. But he has to earn it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 7:52:11 AM EDT
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The loser of the democratic primary got a quarter million more votes in New York than Trump. You're delusional. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't know where you get your info/news from, but basically everyone is wondering if Trump can win NY in the general and he has certainly put NY into play for the Republicans. How'd your guy do in NY? So again, Cruz' primary debacle in NY would indicate he can't win NY and therefore isn't putting NY in play. The loser of the democratic primary got a quarter million more votes in New York than Trump. You're delusional. How many more was that than what Cruz rec'd? LOL. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 7:57:36 AM EDT
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Trump will win if the Cruz guys can manage to vote for him. I think they'll either not show up or vote for Hilldog. 
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Repost from locked thread: To everyone remotely interested in politics, go to 270 to win.com and play with the states. According to RCP, these are the polls in tossup states: PA- Clinton +7.3 OH- Clinton +4 FL- Clinton +2 WI- Clinton +2 NC- Clinton +2 MI- Clinton +8.6 UT- Clinton +2 IA- Clinton +5 MS- Trump +3, MOE 4 I don't see how he can win. I just don't see it. No feels, nothing about policies, not debating any of that. I'm strictly looking at the numbers and the numbers are not good. Trump will win if the Cruz guys can manage to vote for him. I think they'll either not show up or vote for Hilldog.
Of course when Cruz loses, they will blame the Trumplodytes for not showing up...when their guy had 0 chance of winning in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 8:02:28 AM EDT
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Maybe you should have considered the amount of people who won't vote for him if you needed our help to win. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cruz is turning into Kasich/Rubio, hoping for one state to validate staying in. I assume the donations are drying up fast. Trump is hoping for the anyone but Trump crowd to change their minds. Bernie dropping out just might do that. Hil is hoping for the equal and opposite effect. Polling for the general is still too far out to be meaningful. I obviously can't speak for others, but I'm not changing my mind. I'll never vote for him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hillary thanks you for your vote. Remember, not-votes count, too. Maybe you should have considered the amount of people who won't vote for him if you needed our help to win. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Do you even read bro? Not-votes count! |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 8:02:45 AM EDT
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And if he does, he will have won it fair and square. But he has to earn it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. In order for Cruz to even get a second vote he has to stop Trump from hitting 1237 in the first place..how does he do that? Trump is ahead in enough of the remaining races to easily double what he needs..heck he may well get 70-80% of the remaining delegates the way things are looking........And if he does, he will have won it fair and square. But he has to earn it. And if he doesn't, the GOP should give it to him anyway. And Merriam-Webster should change the definition of "plurality" so that it's synonymous with "majority" |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 10:11:39 AM EDT
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And if he doesn't, the GOP should give it to him anyway. And Merriam-Webster should change the definition of "plurality" so that it's synonymous with "majority" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. In order for Cruz to even get a second vote he has to stop Trump from hitting 1237 in the first place..how does he do that? Trump is ahead in enough of the remaining races to easily double what he needs..heck he may well get 70-80% of the remaining delegates the way things are looking........And if he does, he will have won it fair and square. But he has to earn it. And if he doesn't, the GOP should give it to him anyway. And Merriam-Webster should change the definition of "plurality" so that it's synonymous with "majority" Or they could change it to loser and give it to Cruz. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 10:15:45 AM EDT
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If Trump gets to 1237, I predict that he is going to be a lot less critical of GOPe and the process.
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Posted: 4/29/2016 10:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 11:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And unless Trump wins Indiana and does really well in California and the other states, Trump will have no path to the nomination either, and it will be mathematically impossible to win 1237 delegates. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem with that stance is, no one but Trump can get to 1,237. Are we willing to toss out the results of all of the primaries because the leading candidate ended up with "only" 1,220 or however many delegates? Because the leader fell just short of 1,237 we won't care that his opponent had only 600 (or however many) and disregard everything else and essentially start over? Trump wasn't my first choice, but he's now the only choice. That's how a democracy works: the person with the most votes wins, everyone else is a loser. Yes. Because those have been the rules of the elections since they started. This is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC. Jesus Christ, this is why I can't take Trumpettes seriously, none of you know how this country works. It's all emotion, feels, and bravo sierra with you. "Facts are stubborn things,” Cruz says in the ad clip pulled from CNN. "But he [Kasich] has no path to the nomination. It’s mathematically impossible.” "I think any candidate, if you don’t have a clear path to winning, it doesn’t make sense to stay in the race,” Cruz adds. Ted Cruz has no path to the nomination because it is mathematically impossible... And unless Trump wins Indiana and does really well in California and the other states, Trump will have no path to the nomination either, and it will be mathematically impossible to win 1237 delegates. Indiana is just under 10% of the remaining available, even without IN Trump needs 47.2% of the remaining delegates. That's well within reach if you look at his current polling numbers. If Trump wins IN he will fly right past 1237, even without it he can still get there by only winning the 100 or so delegates in CA that he is projected to get. Although that number could get higher before June. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 11:43:35 AM EDT
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ABC is already stating Trump has 996 delegates locked up as of today. So, just another 241. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 11:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ABC is already stating Trump has 996 delegates locked up as of today. So, just another 241. Closer and closer baby! All he needs at the minimum is half of the remaining delegates and we got this in the bag!  Trump 2016!  |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 12:05:31 PM EDT
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It's amazing that some here really think Cruz can beat Hildabeast.
This guy The Booger Eater  
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Posted: 4/29/2016 12:20:40 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter what happens - whether he walks away or runs 3rd party, Hillary is GUARANTEED the win if the GOP do not let Trump have the nomination at this point. So many of Trump's supporters are ANGRY at the GOP. If the GOP is perceived to screw him out of the nomination, which they will be if they don't let him have it, many of those supports will refuse to support whatever candidate does get it. The ONLY way forward for the GOP now is to support Trump, and desperately hope that he is not actually the lying Northeast Liberal that all the evidence suggests he is. Any other path guarantees Hillary the Presidency. ^ Listen to the professor. hesrightyouknow.jpg
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Posted: 4/29/2016 1:07:07 PM EDT
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Does he walk away, and say it was a good race? Does he endorse the nominee and step down? Or does he rant about being cheated, threaten to run 3rd party, try to fuck over the Republicans in the general, etc.? The GOP will be basically done if they give the nom to one of their RINO lackeys, so it doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 10:25:53 PM EDT
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Even though GOPe has now started openly fucking Cruz in the ass Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's a lot closer to 1237 now Doesn't matter if he gets to 1,236, Cruz will still have a chance to steal the nomination and he's the only one who can beat Clinton in the general. Even though GOPe has now started openly fucking Cruz in the ass The GOPe was doing that before Wisconsin, if anyone was paying attention. While Cruz fared well in some States that used the party committee to choose delegates, more often both Trump and Cruz got screwed by them (although Trump wasn't making any effort in this regard). Cruz loyalists are more likely to get chosen where caucuses are used to choose delegates, even if there is a separate primary, or where delegates are directly elected in their own name; the latter is also the best group in this regard for Trump. Party committees are not so friendly to either. |
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Posted: 4/29/2016 10:31:15 PM EDT
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ABC is already stating Trump has 996 delegates locked up as of today. So, just another 241. That's his soft count; his hard count (formally bound delegates only) is somewhere in the 960s, IIRC. I think his soft count may actually be something like 1,008. There are about 40 unbound delegates who have not committed either way, although most seem pretty cold towards Trump. Most of those who have committed are strong supporters of whoever they support and are unlikely to switch either way. The only group whose loyalties are in question are a bloc of the PA unbound delegates, who are supporting Trump on the first ballot, but are wishy-washy about that in some cases, and in pretty much all cases (or openly opposed) for subsequent ballots. If Trump wins IN, the chances of him being stopped are small (not impossible, but definitely much reduced). If he doesn't, Cruz will still have his work cut out for him, especially with Kasich still around. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 4:21:49 PM EDT
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I caught a bit of one of Trump's speeches in a California, and he said the only way Ted could win, is if he stole/bribed the delegates. To me, that says 'tarded Trump would try to take down whoever won the second ballot. That is assuming that he fails to hit 1237.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 11:06:13 AM EDT
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LOL
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