User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:41:51 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:44:25 AM EDT
[#2]
I love eotech and defended them before.....
Not anymore. Fuck them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:46:40 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that were going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:50:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Strong AVI to post content ratio
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:51:07 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I love eotech and defended them before..... Not anymore. Fuck them. I did the same. Not anymore. There is no company in the gun industry more deserving of the Arfcom "Fuck insert company name here" label than Eotech. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:54:17 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. Probably didn't even look at the thread. Just upping his post count |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:55:07 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
FWIW, according to this thread in the optics forum, Eotech is refunding the purchase price for any Eotech you own via RMA which appears to be the first ethical action the company has taken in a long time. So if I RMA'd my EXPS 3-2 in tan to them... what would be clone correct?? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:56:10 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. I'm with OP. Dirty move by EO |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:56:16 AM EDT
[#10]
Its a dupe X 3-4.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:57:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? You drew the line here? OK.. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:58:24 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Probably didn't even look at the thread. Just upping his post count Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm looking everywhere for my fucks to give. Still haven't found any... You don't "give any fucks" that they knowingly provided products with severe defects to troops that we're going into harms way? Their employees readily acknowledged these concerns, yet they were swept under the rug by their president for nearly a decade. Their president even fired the co-founder of the company who appeared to be constantly pressuring him to disclose these issues to Crane, presumably because of those actions. Probably didn't even look at the thread. Just upping his post count Yeah. You can tell by my post history that's exactly how I roll. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:58:31 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1810571_Uncle_Sam_is_lawsuit_against_L3_over_EoTech_sights_for_fraud.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812935_So_with_all_this_stuff_coming_out_about_eotech.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812976_EOTech__flawed_holographic_rifle_sights.html&light=eotech Meh, none of those threads appeared to really detail the document I posted in the OP which is pretty damning. From what I'm seeing in the court filing, the issues with Eotech products will also effect even normal civilian end users who don't really subject their weapons to extreme conditions/environments. Every single one of their tests saw nearly every sight they produce fail the "moisture seal test" even when they were only subjected to sitting in a box. I can't believe with all the chants of "Fuck Troy" here, we don't see a peep about Eotech who has been knowingly defrauding/selling defective products to the consumer market (as well as their government customers) for nearly a decade. Fuck Eotech. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:58:59 AM EDT
[#14]
We're doing this topic again?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 12:59:26 AM EDT
[#15]
I've always preferred Aimpoint to Eotech. Even more so now.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:00:02 AM EDT
[#16]
Mine works flawlessly....
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:00:16 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Meh, none of those threads appeared to really detail the document I posted in the OP which is pretty damning. From what I'm seeing in the court filing, the issues with Eotech products will also effect even normal civilian end users who don't really subject their weapons to extreme conditions/environments. Every single one of their tests saw nearly every sight they produce fail the "moisture seal test" even when they were only subjected to sitting in a box. I can't believe with all the chants of "Fuck Troy" here, we don't see a peep about Eotech who has been knowingly defrauding/selling defective products to the consumer market (as well as their government customers) for nearly a decade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1810571_Uncle_Sam_is_lawsuit_against_L3_over_EoTech_sights_for_fraud.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812935_So_with_all_this_stuff_coming_out_about_eotech.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812976_EOTech__flawed_holographic_rifle_sights.html&light=eotech Meh, none of those threads appeared to really detail the document I posted in the OP which is pretty damning. From what I'm seeing in the court filing, the issues with Eotech products will also effect even normal civilian end users who don't really subject their weapons to extreme conditions/environments. Every single one of their tests saw nearly every sight they produce fail the "moisture seal test" even when they were only subjected to sitting in a box. I can't believe with all the chants of "Fuck Troy" here, we don't see a peep about Eotech who has been knowingly defrauding/selling defective products to the consumer market (as well as their government customers) for nearly a decade. Different reasons for the hate. My eotech has been fine. Both on personally owned and patrol rifles. I don't hate my Dodge because their fenders used to rust
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:02:52 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We're doing this topic again? Yep, deal with it. I haven't seen this court filing really examined in any of the other threads and its extremely damning of Eotech. Many people here may not be aware that Eotech is willing to refund them the purchase price of their defective optic and I think that information should be shared. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:04:51 AM EDT
[#19]
I ditched Eotech for Aimpoint a couple of years ago.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:07:57 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Different reasons for the hate. My eotech has been fine. Both on personally owned and patrol rifles. I don't hate my Dodge because their fenders used to rust Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1810571_Uncle_Sam_is_lawsuit_against_L3_over_EoTech_sights_for_fraud.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812935_So_with_all_this_stuff_coming_out_about_eotech.html&light=eotech http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812976_EOTech__flawed_holographic_rifle_sights.html&light=eotech Meh, none of those threads appeared to really detail the document I posted in the OP which is pretty damning. From what I'm seeing in the court filing, the issues with Eotech products will also effect even normal civilian end users who don't really subject their weapons to extreme conditions/environments. Every single one of their tests saw nearly every sight they produce fail the "moisture seal test" even when they were only subjected to sitting in a box. I can't believe with all the chants of "Fuck Troy" here, we don't see a peep about Eotech who has been knowingly defrauding/selling defective products to the consumer market (as well as their government customers) for nearly a decade. Different reasons for the hate. My eotech has been fine. Both on personally owned and patrol rifles. I don't hate my Dodge because their fenders used to rust Yes, what a great comparison, because we all know rusting fenders will cause your Dodge to veer off the road into a tree when you're driving down the highway (a lot more comparable of an outcome to the optic having its zero shift nearly 12-20 MOA when subjected to the extreme temperature of 30* F). Just because your Eotech hasn't failed yet doesn't mean it won't. If you read the document, even Eotech acknowledges that nearly every product they manufactured over the past decade had a number of defects. Some of these defects may cause issues when the sight is subjected to the extreme condition of sitting in your safe. If you don't care to read it, that's your choice. Doesn't mean that other people won't be interested in this information, though. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:09:10 AM EDT
[#21]
This is why I always buy Aimpoint
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:12:31 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We're doing this topic again? says the guy who can't drop it in the larue thread! 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:12:42 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mine works flawlessly.... Mine too. Still debating sending it back.... |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:13:19 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mine works flawlessly.... Read the entire court filing. It may work fine now, but even Eotech acknowledges that there is almost a 100% chance it has multiple defects that will effect its operation. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:13:55 AM EDT
[#25]
FACT: If your optic dims out for a second, you are virtually guaranteed to drop dead on the spot.
I've seen a few broken ACOGs when I was in. It doesn't change my opinion on trijicon. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:14:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Please send me your defective EOTechs for disposal.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:15:15 AM EDT
[#27]
The problems have been out there, many of us were open about them, but the problems were swept under the rug by the fan boys as much as by the company.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:15:30 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
We're doing this topic again? It is bad on Eotech, but yeah. This. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:16:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
FACT: If your optic dims out for a second, you are virtually guaranteed to drop dead on the spot. I've seen a few broken ACOGs when I was in. It doesn't change my opinion on trijicon. Once again, read the filing. This isn't about a few broken sights, this is about nearly every single optic they produced over the past decade being defective. As to your first sentence, that is not the only known issue that Eotech acknowledges. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:16:34 AM EDT
[#30]
But but, DEVGRU?!?!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:16:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Please send me your defective EOTechs for disposal. Fuck that, send them back to Eotech and they'll cut you a check for MSRP. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:17:25 AM EDT
[#32]
But Nikon is still good right?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:18:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
says the guy who can't drop it in the larue thread! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
We're doing this topic again? says the guy who can't drop it in the larue thread! 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:19:08 AM EDT
[#34]
When I purchase COTS equipment, it's up to me to verify that the products operates to its stated parameters. If it doesn't, my boss chews my ass, not the manufacturers.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:19:47 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
FACT: If your optic dims out for a second, you are virtually guaranteed to drop dead on the spot. I've seen a few broken ACOGs when I was in. It doesn't change my opinion on trijicon. My unit had ACOGs, Aimpoints, and Eotechs. The only ones that failed habitually were the Eotechs. I had a personal 552 but sold it after seeing how terribly our issued optics did in real world use. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:21:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Mine have all worked fine. Very little to know zero movement, even as the temp changes.
That said, if you asked me if I believed it was still nitrogen purged, I would have said yes. I wouldn't say that anymore though. Here is the good news - these will probably soon get blown out at absolutely ridiculous prices and be perfect for slug guns/.22s, and other rifles that I don't want to drop $800 for an Aimpoint on. And, in the event that they actually improve/modify these, you might see the next great leap in RDS. Or they'll just continue to skate on making high dollar NVGs and thermals. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:22:27 AM EDT
[#37]
I bought mine 3yrs ago and thought I somehow had lost my shot. All summer I'm spot on, wood chucks at 200 yards no problem. Deer season in the cold ( not extreme cold) can't hit a thing! Added a set of 45 offsets...spot on shot again.....I wounded some deer and that sucks...but if my target was returning live fire...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:22:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is why I always buy Aimpoint Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:24:17 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
This is why I always buy Aimpoint Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did. It's really not new information, just now it's proven where before it was largely anecdotal. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:25:48 AM EDT
[#40]
Maybe this will settle the debate once and for all.
Best quote from the linked thread: Quoted:
For years SMEs and high volume firearms trainers have said there were problems with EoTechs including durability, battery life, controls/auto-off, zero shift EoTech owners: I've used them and I've never had any problems, plus SOF uses them. USSOCOM releases Safety of Use Message regarding issues found with EoTechs EoTech owners: But I won't ever be in the same environments they failed in, plus SOF still uses them. USSOCOM announces evaluation of replacement optics EoTech owners: But I won't ever be in the same environments they failed in, SOF just likes spending money FBI HRT selects the Aimpoint T-2 to replace EoTechs EoTech owners: Aimpoint owners are just fan boys and the government likes spending our money US Gov to sue L3 over fraud related to EoTechs EoTech owners: Lalalalalalala |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:26:05 AM EDT
[#41]
I really wanted a 512 years ago. Glad I went with a Aimpoint.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:27:03 AM EDT
[#42]
Fuck Eotech for sweeping it under the rug, but did the military not test these things before buying a fuck ton of them and deploying them?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:27:36 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mine have all worked fine. Very little to know zero movement, even as the temp changes. That said, if you asked me if I believed it was still nitrogen purged, I would have said yes. I wouldn't say that anymore though. Here is the good news - these will probably soon get blown out at absolutely ridiculous prices and be perfect for slug guns/.22s, and other rifles that I don't want to drop $800 for an Aimpoint on. And, in the event that they actually improve/modify these, you might see the next great leap in RDS. Or they'll just continue to skate on making high dollar NVGs and thermals. Over the course of nearly a decade, they weren't able to find a fix for any of the issues. I'd be shocked if they were able to fix it now. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:28:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Wow.
We have some avid EOTech supporters on this site. Good folks too. Wondering how this negligence will sway them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:29:20 AM EDT
[#45]
Does this mean there will he a bunch of cheap used Eotechs popping up in the EE now?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:30:41 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Does this mean there will he a bunch of cheap used Eotechs popping up in the EE now? Hopefully. I'll buy a few |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:30:54 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's really not new information, just now it's proven where before it was largely anecdotal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
This is why I always buy Aimpoint Right, because years ago you knew what no one else did. It's really not new information, just now it's proven where before it was largely anecdotal. Yup. Aimpoint has always been the "rugged" optic. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:31:08 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fuck Eotech for sweeping it under the rug, but did the military not test these things before buying a fuck ton of them and deploying them? Apparently, with how the contract was worded, the testing was performed on the honor system and the DoD trusted that Eotech was performing these tests. It is also detailed in the court filing that Eotech went as far as preparing special units for use in contract testing that stood a better chance of passing the tests. The processes they used to prepare these "test units" were not used to manufacture the actual products they used to fulfill the contracts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:31:10 AM EDT
[#49]
I have an EOTEC, that i fried the board in by putting 12v instead of 1.5v batteries in a few years ago. wonder if i should even bother sending it back now.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 12/7/2015 1:31:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Can someone who knows more about to explain something to me? Is this a problem inherent to the general design of 'holosights' or is it just a QC issue or something that could be ironed out with better materials and expanded t&e etc.
In other words if eotech licensed the design to aimpoint could aimpoint make an eotech that was as reliable as its own product line. Seeing as how their lack of reliability versus aimpoints has been pretty much public knowledge for years you'd think by now they would have found a solution if there was one. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
