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Posted: 12/2/2015 1:22:34 AM EDT
Is the only other option aimpoint? I'd prefer an American made option if at all possible. What says the hive?
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Trijicon is your only American option that is even in the same league IMO. SRS, MRO.
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Maybe the trijicon RMO? Was $389 at primary arms cyber Monday sale. At that price it certainly is tempting. Maybe we'll see prices like that again in the future.
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Is the only other option aimpoint? I'd prefer an American made option if at all possible. What says the hive? View Quote "Stuff coming out". Not like it's news. |
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Get your Aimpoints now before the muslims burn down the factory.
PRO is an awesome bit of gear. |
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Hopefully they will have a nice discount in the future.
I still love them. |
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I've been running an MRO for a few months (thousands of rounds) and I still love it.
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I've never used an AIMPOINT... and my next optic to purchase is a ta31. Maybe an AIMPOINT after that.
I do run the MRO right now on my colt...and it's awesome. |
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I just bought a mepro tru dot rds to try out. I know it's not American, but I have no problem with showing Israel a little love.
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So what's the deal with Eotech? View Quote Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. |
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I just bought a mepro tru dot rds to try out. I know it's not American, but I have no problem with showing Israel a little love. Aimpoints are not American either. Yup, I know. The op said he'd like to stick with an American company. |
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Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. |
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is big gov stating issues with eotech back to 1995 or is the issues just from 2005 on when L3 took control?
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Guys here who are fighting in the Artic don't feel they can count on them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Guys here who are fighting in the Artic don't feel they can count on them. Not trying to be a smart ass or anything but who the fuck is currently fighting in the arctic? |
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Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. |
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Not trying to be a smart ass or anything but who the fuck is currently fighting in the arctic? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Guys here who are fighting in the Artic don't feel they can count on them. Not trying to be a smart ass or anything but who the fuck is currently fighting in the arctic? He's being facetious towards what I'm guessing he might refer to as "chairborne rangers" deciding EoTech is insufficient to defend their ammo forts. FWIW an EoTech is perfectly capable of doing what Aimpoints do on my toys. I just fucking hate that sparkling laser reticle. It hurts my eyes. |
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Not trying to be a smart ass or anything but who the fuck is currently fighting in the arctic? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Guys here who are fighting in the Artic don't feel they can count on them. Not trying to be a smart ass or anything but who the fuck is currently fighting in the arctic? Arfcommers in mother's basement. Obvious answer is obvious. |
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eotech has paid big gov 2.4 mill for fraud of performance issues from-40f to 140f on nov 24th 2015
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So what's the deal with Eotech? View Quote Nothing. The Army found some units that apparently wouldn't hold zero in extreme temptetures and it violated a contract/agreement. Personally, after using eotechs overseas multiple times and at home, I've never seen a problem in said extreme temperatures nor do I know anyone in civilian life, the conventional army or special operations that have run into a problem with them. What you are going to see are the aimpoint fanboys trying to convince everyone that all or even a large portion of eotechs are bad. For what it's worth, I think both are quality products and do what they are designed to do quite well. |
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Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. |
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I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. I had an EOtech on my service rifle, and I had no problems with my rifle in extreme heat losing it's zero. So the high heat deal is BS. |
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Nothing. The Army found some units that apparently wouldn't hold zero in extreme temptetures and it violated a contract/agreement. Personally, after using eotechs overseas multiple times and at home, I've never seen a problem in said extreme temperatures nor do I know anyone in civilian life, the conventional army or special operations that have run into a problem with them. What you are going to see are the aimpoint fanboys trying to convince everyone that all or even a large portion of eotechs are bad. For what it's worth, I think both are quality products and do what they are designed to do quite well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Nothing. The Army found some units that apparently wouldn't hold zero in extreme temptetures and it violated a contract/agreement. Personally, after using eotechs overseas multiple times and at home, I've never seen a problem in said extreme temperatures nor do I know anyone in civilian life, the conventional army or special operations that have run into a problem with them. What you are going to see are the aimpoint fanboys trying to convince everyone that all or even a large portion of eotechs are bad. For what it's worth, I think both are quality products and do what they are designed to do quite well. This......I have an xps 2.0 I like it...also have aimpoints and like them.....I've see. Threads before about di ar15s not functioning in extreme low temps |
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Quoted: I had an EOtech on my service rifle, and I had no problems with my rifle in extreme heat losing it's zero. So the high heat deal is BS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. I had an EOtech on my service rifle, and I had no problems with my rifle in extreme heat losing it's zero. So the high heat deal is BS. |
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Lock it up folks, one guy didn't have any issues so we have a scientific consensus. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. I had an EOtech on my service rifle, and I had no problems with my rifle in extreme heat losing it's zero. So the high heat deal is BS. |
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What says the hive? View Quote I say stop using that shitstained assfucked cumguzzeling moronic term "hive". We are not brain dead libtards that need groupthink like dummycunts do. Ask for the opinion of people and then formulate your own answer. |
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I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. You've been in hotter than 150 degree temps? The record hottest temp on he planet is less than that. Unless your swimming in volcanoes or some shit. Like I said in my previous post. I won't use my Eotech as my truck gun due to the fact that we have hand a month + with over 100 degree temps. Still like them but I like their competitors better so I will stick with them. |
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I believe I read that while they originally said it was only in "extreme" temps it was later revealed the "cold" range of temps started being a problem around 32 degrees F and the "hot" range of temps started around 95 F or so.
Heck, in Michigan 32 in the in winter is a warm day and 95 in the summer isn't exactly unheard of. Assuming this is accurate we aren't talking about -20 or 120 F here. Of course, now I can't find where I read that. (I just looked so i could post a link but couldn't find it again) That said I'm actually trying to trade in my old "N" battery Eotech that never worked right (battery issues) for a more modern unit. It's only going to be a range toy for my UZI so I'm not worried about the wandering zero in cold or hot weather. I've got an Aimpoint Pro on my main AR and actually prefer the single dot to the more "busy" Eotech reticle anway. (That and the battery life) |
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the few eotech fanboys come out strong in these threads. Their only defense is name calling and telling everyone how they don't need an optic that performs in extreme conditions since they're just a basement operator. What a shitty standard for gear.
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I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Apparently they made some untrue statements on the product's performance in very fucking cold weather in order to get a government contract....and then later tried to cover it up via a "product recall" or "update" or something. Something along those lines is what I heard. Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. until it turns off on you. And then stops turning back on. |
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http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/38405.html#cutid1 https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/9858/h-10436.jpg View Quote Is that the real thing, or a Chinese airsoft clone? I can usually tell, but that one is a bit hard to tell... Also on a different note: I will be giving $24 in your name to the Salvation Army, like you specified in the other thread, unless there's another chairity you'd prefer (I'm willing to go out of the way a little). |
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I see they're made in Michigan....Other than that I don't have a clue. I like EOtech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? I see they're made in Michigan....Other than that I don't have a clue. I like EOtech. Basically they forged testing documentation and claimed the sights met specifications, when absolutely no testing of that type was done at all. Turns out every single one(100%) that was randomly pulled for testing by .gov showed large shifts in zero with temperature fluctuations, like on the order of 20 inches or so.Then there's the endless nitrogen leaks, delaminations, battery box problems, etc. The there's the lesser known issue of the zero shifting with brightness adjustment; Pat McNamara claims to have seen 4MOA shifts from just that alone. People here claim to have zero issues with theirs, and I'm glad for them. All three I've bought turned out to be defective pieces of shit. |
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Quoted: Lock it up folks, one guy didn't have any issues so we have a scientific consensus. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seem to not hold zero in high heat as well. Yeah they were pretty extreme temps that it was at. At first I wasn't concerned, and then started thinking in my state NM my truck interior in the summer will exceed those temps. 95 degree day the interior temp of a vehicle can break 150 easy. While I only have 1 Eotech it will not be on he truck gun and won't purchase anymore because of this. I just breezed through the article about it and don't remember if it was a permeant shift in the zero but I like my MePro and ACOG better anyway so I will stick with them. I've been in hotter temps and didn't have a problem and would still deploy with an eotech without thinking twice about it. You really have nothing to worry about. I had an EOtech on my service rifle, and I had no problems with my rifle in extreme heat losing it's zero. So the high heat deal is BS. |
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http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/38405.html#cutid1 https://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/9858/h-10436.jpg View Quote Too big anyway. Gimme a microdot and i'm happy. |
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Nothing. The Army found some units that apparently wouldn't hold zero in extreme temptetures and it violated a contract/agreement. Personally, after using eotechs overseas multiple times and at home, I've never seen a problem in said extreme temperatures nor do I know anyone in civilian life, the conventional army or special operations that have run into a problem with them. What you are going to see are the aimpoint fanboys trying to convince everyone that all or even a large portion of eotechs are bad. For what it's worth, I think both are quality products and do what they are designed to do quite well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So what's the deal with Eotech? Nothing. The Army found some units that apparently wouldn't hold zero in extreme temptetures and it violated a contract/agreement. Personally, after using eotechs overseas multiple times and at home, I've never seen a problem in said extreme temperatures nor do I know anyone in civilian life, the conventional army or special operations that have run into a problem with them. What you are going to see are the aimpoint fanboys trying to convince everyone that all or even a large portion of eotechs are bad. For what it's worth, I think both are quality products and do what they are designed to do quite well. I'm glad yours worked for you and your teammates, I really am. But you would be well served to read the documents involved. It was a little bit more than "some sights": http://soldiersystems.net/2015/11/25/the-details-united-states-of-america-v-l-3-communications-eotech-inc-l-3-communications-corporation-and-paul-mangano/ In more recent years, as EOTech subjected new models of the sights to qualification testing, the test engineer documented thermal drift in every sight tested in report after report. In other words, 100%. If you own an Eotech, it is defective. period. |
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I say stop using that shitstained assfucked cumguzzeling moronic term "hive". We are not brain dead libtards that need groupthink like dummycunts do. Ask for the opinion of people and then formulate your own answer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What says the hive? I say stop using that shitstained assfucked cumguzzeling moronic term "hive". We are not brain dead libtards that need groupthink like dummycunts do. Ask for the opinion of people and then formulate your own answer. LOL. Do you really think he meant it like that? |
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I think I hit a record for the number of times my post has been quoted in a single thread
So they lied to get a .gov contract? Bet that doesn't seem like the brightest idea now that they've been found out. Does anyone have a link to a reputable story about it? I've only used Aimpoints and currently have a PRO, which has been beat on pretty good but is holding up fine. I just wasn't a fan of Eotech's reticle and shorter battery life. |
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I say stop using that shitstained assfucked cumguzzeling moronic term "hive". We are not brain dead libtards that need groupthink like dummycunts do. Ask for the opinion of people and then formulate your own answer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What says the hive? I say stop using that shitstained assfucked cumguzzeling moronic term "hive". We are not brain dead libtards that need groupthink like dummycunts do. Ask for the opinion of people and then formulate your own answer. It's ok, this is your safe place, please tell us how you REALLY feel. And this is how I blew post 5000 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1812935_So_with_all_this_stuff_coming_out_about_eotech.html&page=1#i56916543 |
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I think I hit a record for the number of times my post has been quoted in a single thread So they lied to get a .gov contract? Bet that doesn't seem like the brightest idea now that they've been found out. Does anyone have a link to a reputable story about it? I've only used Aimpoints and currently have a PRO, which has been beat on pretty good but is holding up fine. I just wasn't a fan of Eotech's reticle and shorter battery life. View Quote I like their reticles. It was the battery life and issues with the switches that lead me to buy Aimpoint. |
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Hows the Trijicon SRS? Is it $1000 worth of awesome or should I grab an MRO?
cuz there's no way in hell Ill ever put an Aimpoint on my gun. They're like looking through a toilet paper roll |
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I like their reticles. It was the battery life and issues with the switches that lead me to buy Aimpoint. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think I hit a record for the number of times my post has been quoted in a single thread So they lied to get a .gov contract? Bet that doesn't seem like the brightest idea now that they've been found out. Does anyone have a link to a reputable story about it? I've only used Aimpoints and currently have a PRO, which has been beat on pretty good but is holding up fine. I just wasn't a fan of Eotech's reticle and shorter battery life. I like their reticles. It was the battery life and issues with the switches that lead me to buy Aimpoint. I think it's easier than the Aimpoint as in seeing your surroundings. It's more open. It's hard to explain, I just feel I can see my surroundings more with an EOtech over and Aimpoint's bulkyness. |
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Hows the Trijicon SRS? Is it $1000 worth of awesome or should I grab an MRO? cuz there's no way in hell Ill ever put an Aimpoint on my gun. They're like looking through a toilet paper roll View Quote This is what I'm talking about. I could have put a Trigicon on my service rifle but I chose the EOtech instead. It's preference I suppose. |
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