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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:34:43 PM EDT
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There was a story a few years back of a cop who hit a killed a kid (cop was on a motorcycle, I think). It was (obviously) a complete accident. Dad showed up and attacked the cop, the cop ended up shooting and killing him. Tragic story, nobody went home a winner there. edit: The little girl was not killed, she was fucked up pretty bad, but lived. There was one I recall reading about a few years back where the cops got into an argument with an armed property owner who was upset over something regarding what they were doing, I don't remember what it was anymore. Cops said they felt threatened, opened fire, missed a lot. The man apparently unslung his gun and returned fire, but was eventually killed. The article said something about suspensions, don't know what ever happened with that. It was somewhere in the back pages of the paper. The whole thing sounded like a shit sandwich. I know I've heard of similar cases on occasion. It would be a real nightmare to have the cops open up on you when you had no intent to threaten or harm and have no choice but to shoot back if you want a chance to live; same if you think you're responding to a home invasion but it's actually the cops. Doesn't always end well, even if the victim "wins," or at least survives. It'll be interesting to see what was the case here. I'm siding with those who say there was some sort of argument. If he was someone they knew about I doubt they would have just opened up on him. Whether or not the situation justified the shooting is another question. Not much information to go by, it seems. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:36:55 PM EDT
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I'm willing to bet you brush your tooth every day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead.  I'm willing to bet you brush your tooth every day.  . Ouch.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:37:30 PM EDT
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Much, much too early to come to any sort of conclusion.
Sad all the way around, though. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:38:18 PM EDT
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More like rancher thought he had to put the bull down. Realized it would survive. Pointed rifle at cops when they said they were going to shoot it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead. More like rancher thought he had to put the bull down. Realized it would survive. Pointed rifle at cops when they said they were going to shoot it. If someone is going to destroy your live property without justification, I wonder what the law in Idaho is regarding defending it with force. Likewise in cases involving LEOs, as many States now seem to give them a special status in such cases (my State is an example; unless you are about to be murdered, any use of force in otherwise legitimate self-defence is unlawful). I know that under the common law LEOs were not treated differently when doing something unlawful that could justify the use of force in return, such as entering a home without a warrant or a false arrest. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:43:58 PM EDT
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If I recall correctly, Bama carries a suppressed .22 in his cruiser. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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had almost the exact same thing happen to me years ago.... cow got hit by small car, occupants all fubar, cow with broken leg...farmer showed up with rifle saying HE was going to put it down, cars and bystanders around all over the place...i told him no i would put it down if thats what he wanted...a .22 in the ear was much safer than him racking a 30-06 off and god knows where the ricochet would go he got all pissed and butthurt started mouthing off etc etc....told him to get back in his truck and he could haul the cow off after i was done oh and in for the potential of this thread Since when did cops start carrying 22lr? 
If I recall correctly, Bama carries a suppressed .22 in his cruiser. I do, too. We put down a lot of animals in my AO. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:44:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Open range=no fences, if you don't no what you're doing, you really shouldn't be speeding around out there. Or at least do it in a pick-up with a cow catcher... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? They are named that but they will not save you. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:50:18 PM EDT
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They are named that but they will not save you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? They are named that but they will not save you. I understand open range but on public highways again. At night how would you see cows? Seems ranchers would leave themselves open for liabilities. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:50:19 PM EDT
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:50:37 PM EDT
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Don't bring a Subaru to a bull fight.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:52:18 PM EDT
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Am I the only one wondering if the Bull is OK?? Hes dead Jim. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:54:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are named that but they will not save you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? They are named that but they will not save you. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 10:54:51 PM EDT
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Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. Except there are presumably multiple witnesses if the article is correct, and the cops were aware he was coming since they (dispatch) called him, and one of the officers was supposedly hit as well. Everything points to an altercation....just like the article states. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:00:04 PM EDT
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That's just a shit deal
Not trying to make any puns either, a bull is worth a lot of money... but not worth your life. What the fuck really went down? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:00:22 PM EDT
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I don't think it's much more complicated than that. Well, other than the fact it was a bull but I still find myself in agreement with your assessment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. I don't think it's much more complicated than that. Well, other than the fact it was a bull but I still find myself in agreement with your assessment. There's a lot of money tied up in those animals. If the bull was viable but the cops want to shoot it because it was agressive I can see a cluster fuck occurring. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:02:20 PM EDT
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"They lived"
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:08:35 PM EDT
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Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. Or maybe it was aliens. That's it, aliens. They shot the old man, grazed the cop and killed the bull. We probably won't hear about it though... 
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:15:04 PM EDT
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Or maybe it was aliens. That's it, aliens. They shot the old man, grazed the cop and killed the bull. We probably won't hear about it though...
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. Orrrrr he showed up to put the bull down, the cops saw a rifle and shot him. If that's the case we may never hear about it. Or maybe it was aliens. That's it, aliens. They shot the old man, grazed the cop and killed the bull. We probably won't hear about it though...
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:17:02 PM EDT
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There's a lot of money tied up in those animals. If the bull was viable but the cops want to shoot it because it was agressive I can see a cluster fuck occurring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old man shows up, gets pissed that the cops want to shoot his cow? Sounds like a cluster. I don't think it's much more complicated than that. Well, other than the fact it was a bull but I still find myself in agreement with your assessment. There's a lot of money tied up in those animals. If the bull was viable but the cops want to shoot it because it was agressive I can see a cluster fuck occurring. yep, the rancher showed up with his fudd rifle and LE did mag dumps |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:17:45 PM EDT
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As someone who drives through that area regularly in a Subaru station wagon, I will continue to be someone who drive through there regularly.
One of the more heavier patrolled areas yet it has a very low population density. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:19:14 PM EDT
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http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article42229305.html
When deputies went to kill the animal, the bull’s owner, Jack Yantis, 62, of Council, arrived at the scene, carrying a rifle. During an ensuing incident, Yantis and both deputies fired their weapons, reports ISP, which is heading the investigation.
The rancher’s wife, Donna Yantis, reportedly suffered a heart attack immediately after the incident. She was taken to Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise, where a hospital spokesman said she was in critical condition Monday afternoon.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:19:52 PM EDT
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Wait, so they have moved on from shooting dogs to shooting farm animals?
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:21:55 PM EDT
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al·ter·ca·tion. [?ôlt?r'kaSH(?)n] NOUN 1. a noisy argument or disagreement, especially in public: "I had an altercation with the conductor" synonyms: argument · quarrel · squabble · fight · shouting match · |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:23:44 PM EDT
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al·ter·ca·tion. [?ôlt?r'kaSH(?)n] NOUN 1. a noisy argument or disagreement, especially in public: "I had an altercation with the conductor" synonyms: argument · quarrel · squabble · fight · shouting match · Shooting match...................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:24:04 PM EDT
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Cops today....lol.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:25:41 PM EDT
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Cops today....lol. Oh so you know what happened? By all means. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:27:18 PM EDT
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Why u need facts brah? It's obvious the evil JBTs set up the crash so they could kill the bull AND the owner in one fell swoop. I bet the deputies had cargo pockets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Needs a lot more details about this altercation. Why u need facts brah? It's obvious the evil JBTs set up the crash so they could kill the bull AND the owner in one fell swoop. I bet the deputies had cargo pockets. Shot with a 1033 weapon too I bet. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:28:19 PM EDT
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I understand open range but on public highways again. At night how would you see cows? Seems ranchers would leave themselves open for liabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? They are named that but they will not save you. I understand open range but on public highways again. At night how would you see cows? Seems ranchers would leave themselves open for liabilities. "Open range" literally means that drivers are responsible if they hit an animal in the road. If you're driving at night and hit a cow in the middle of the highway, then you not only have a wrecked car, but you also get to buy a very expensive cow. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:31:44 PM EDT
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Story seems suspicious. ETA: Behind the ear is not how you shoot cattle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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had almost the exact same thing happen to me years ago.... cow got hit by small car, occupants all fubar, cow with broken leg...farmer showed up with rifle saying HE was going to put it down, cars and bystanders around all over the place...i told him no i would put it down if thats what he wanted...a .22 in the ear was much safer than him racking a 30-06 off and god knows where the ricochet would go he got all pissed and butthurt started mouthing off etc etc....told him to get back in his truck and he could haul the cow off after i was done oh and in for the potential of this thread Since when did cops start carrying 22lr?
Story seems suspicious. ETA: Behind the ear is not how you shoot cattle. Nope. Eye to opposite horn and again from the other side. X marks the spot...a .22 does wonders right there from point blank. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:34:10 PM EDT
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Oh so you know what happened? By all means. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cops today....lol. Oh so you know what happened? By all means. Do you? Bunch of question marks at this point. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, so they have moved on from shooting dogs to shooting farm animals? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:46:46 PM EDT
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On roads in Idaho, an open-range state, livestock have the right of way: if an animal is hit and killed by a vehicle, the driver is liable for the price of the animal and for the repair for the damage to the vehicle.[1] Idaho counties can and have created herd districts, which require livestock owners to "build and maintain adequate fences to keep their animals off roads and neighboring properties"; in herd districts, the livestock owner is liable.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_range |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:47:09 PM EDT
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead. It's Idaho. Every body has a rifle every where. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you? Bunch of question marks at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cops today....lol. Oh so you know what happened? By all means. Do you? Bunch of question marks at this point. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:48:53 PM EDT
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I know that the deputies failed to control the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cops today....lol. Oh so you know what happened? By all means. Do you? Bunch of question marks at this point. How so, what happened? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:56:02 PM EDT
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I understand open range but on public highways again. At night how would you see cows? Seems ranchers would leave themselves open for liabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? They are named that but they will not save you. I understand open range but on public highways again. At night how would you see cows? Seems ranchers would leave themselves open for liabilities. You're getting hung up n the highway part. We're not talking major 8 lane road here. 95 is a 2 lane road. Look up Council, ID on Google maps and then go to street view on 95 just north of the town. That will give you a better understanding of the area. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:56:14 PM EDT
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What's the difference between a bull dyke and a bull?
One's splattered all over the inside of the Subaru, the other is all over the outside 
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:57:39 PM EDT
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead. Ah, here we go. That didn't take long. Everybody just make shit up for the rest of the thread. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:58:35 PM EDT
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Needs a lot more details about this altercation. Yeah. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 11:59:01 PM EDT
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Add the wife to the list, she had a heart attack and is in critical condition after she got the news Pa was shot dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did the Bull make it then? Add the wife to the list, she had a heart attack and is in critical condition after she got the news Pa was shot dead.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:00:55 AM EDT
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How so, what happened? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cops today....lol. Oh so you know what happened? By all means. Do you? Bunch of question marks at this point. How so, what happened? It would seem the rancher with the fudd rifle is dead, he didnt get run over, the bull didnt gore him, reports say the cops shot and killed the rancher in a dispute and his bull is dead plus his old lady is in critical condition having a heart attack after learning her husband was shot to death by sheriff deputies
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:01:22 AM EDT
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The area where the bull was hit is open range, Zollman said, and darkness had fallen by the time the Subaru crashed into the black bull in the roadway. WTF this makes no sense. On a public road. What more bs to the story? Talk about WTF. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:01:30 AM EDT
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Since when did cops start carrying 22lr?
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had almost the exact same thing happen to me years ago.... cow got hit by small car, occupants all fubar, cow with broken leg...farmer showed up with rifle saying HE was going to put it down, cars and bystanders around all over the place...i told him no i would put it down if thats what he wanted...a .22 in the ear was much safer than him racking a 30-06 off and god knows where the ricochet would go he got all pissed and butthurt started mouthing off etc etc....told him to get back in his truck and he could haul the cow off after i was done oh and in for the potential of this thread Since when did cops start carrying 22lr?
Throw down gun, DUH! |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:04:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHow so, what happened? Quote HistoryI know that the deputies failed to control the situation. How so, what happened? My theory : Dispatch calls rancher. Deputies show up and instead of immediately getting rid of the threat they start fucking with the occupants of the Subaru. Bull is out of control. Rancher shows up with rifle, dispatch should have informed the deputies right. Instead of letting the rancher take care of the bull they pull the TBL card and refuse permission. Argument starts. I would have told him just don't shoot me or anyone else. It is your bull you take care of it. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:06:17 AM EDT
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It would seem the rancher with the fudd rifle is dead, he didnt get run over, the bull didnt gore him, reports say the cops shot and killed the rancher in a dispute and his bull is dead plus his old lady is in critical condition having a heart attack after learning her husband was shot to death by sheriff deputies
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How so, what happened? It would seem the rancher with the fudd rifle is dead, he didnt get run over, the bull didnt gore him, reports say the cops shot and killed the rancher in a dispute and his bull is dead plus his old lady is in critical condition having a heart attack after learning her husband was shot to death by sheriff deputies
Another win for the blue line. 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:06:55 AM EDT
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My theory : Subaru hits bull. Someone calls cops. Dispatch calls rancher. Deputies show up and instead of immediately getting rid of the threat they start fucking with the occupants of the Subaru. Bull is out of control. Rancher shows up with rifle, dispatch should have informed the deputies right. Instead of letting the rancher take care of the bull they pull the TBL card and refuse permission. Argument starts. I would have told him just don't shoot me or anyone else. It is your bull you take care of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I know that the deputies failed to control the situation. How so, what happened? Subaru hits bull. Someone calls cops. Dispatch calls rancher. Deputies show up and instead of immediately getting rid of the threat they start fucking with the occupants of the Subaru. Bull is out of control. Rancher shows up with rifle, dispatch should have informed the deputies right. Instead of letting the rancher take care of the bull they pull the TBL card and refuse permission. Argument starts. I would have told him just don't shoot me or anyone else. It is your bull you take care of it. Oh I thought by your previous statement you knew what happened, not a theory. My bad. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:08:15 AM EDT
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It says there was an altercation which kinda rules out that if by that you're saying he showed up with a gun and the deputies thought he was there for nefarious purposes and just shot him. Sounds like there was an argument. Who knows. We need more facts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead. It says there was an altercation which kinda rules out that if by that you're saying he showed up with a gun and the deputies thought he was there for nefarious purposes and just shot him. Sounds like there was an argument. Who knows. We need more facts. There was going to be an "altercation" after he was shot dead, regardless of what actually happened. Still need facts, not saying an altercation didn't happen, just who knows at this point. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:09:08 AM EDT
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Another win for the blue line.
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How so, what happened? It would seem the rancher with the fudd rifle is dead, he didnt get run over, the bull didnt gore him, reports say the cops shot and killed the rancher in a dispute and his bull is dead plus his old lady is in critical condition having a heart attack after learning her husband was shot to death by sheriff deputies
Another win for the blue line.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:10:22 AM EDT
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There was going to be an "altercation" after he was shot dead, regardless of what actually happened. Still need facts, not saying an altercation didn't happen, just who knows at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm willing to bet that the old man showed up with his rifle to put down the bull, the deputies went derp, and the old man wound up dead. It says there was an altercation which kinda rules out that if by that you're saying he showed up with a gun and the deputies thought he was there for nefarious purposes and just shot him. Sounds like there was an argument. Who knows. We need more facts. There was going to be an "altercation" after he was shot dead, regardless of what actually happened. Still need facts, not saying an altercation didn't happen, just who knows at this point. What does that mean? |
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