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Posted: 6/29/2015 3:05:58 AM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 3:08:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fallacy alert. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 3:21:03 AM EDT
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It's the only healthcare that I endorse 100% subsidized by the feds.  this, unless the anits pledge to adopt all..step up the process |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 8:37:54 AM EDT
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It's the only healthcare that I endorse 100% subsidized by the feds. this, unless the anits pledge to adopt all..step up the process Hand out coat hangers and pictographs. You'll get more bang for your buck. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 10:30:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:20:26 PM EDT
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What fallacy would that be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. Ascribing agency to natural process. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:49:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryEugenics was actually fairly common in Western societies at that time. The Germans took things a little too far and fast for the world to stomach with their barbaric "cleansing" methods and the trend reversed (for a while anyhow). |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:58:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LMAO. Quote History |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:36:15 PM EDT
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There is nothing funny about that cunt butcher Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:08:29 PM EDT
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So going to war over the right to own other human beings was just and moral, but going to war over genocide is not? I'm not "selling" anything, just pointing out that anti-choicers lack the courage of their convictions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you did nothing. You must not consider Africans as human or you would have gone to war to stop it. It isn't like there were absolutely no options available to you. So, come out and say what you think it is that those who believe that abortion is murder should do. I'm happy for the anti-choicers to do nothing but talk, as it will accomplish what it has always accomplished since Roe v. Wade. If I witnessed a man in the nursery of a hospital walking from infant to infant killing them, I'd do everything in my power to stop him, including killing him or dying in the process. If the anti-choicers really feel that strongly that abortion is the same thing, why haven't they stopped it? Lol. You embrace murder of the unborn and we're supposed to believe you'd do anything other than yell "anti-choicers!111!!!" at those trying to stop this hypothetical murderer? I'm not buying what you are selling. Fetuses are living human beings. Deal with it. So going to war over the right to own other human beings was just and moral, but going to war over genocide is not? I'm not "selling" anything, just pointing out that anti-choicers lack the courage of their convictions. The Civil War was not started by private citizen abolitionists. If pro-lifers started killing abortionists, it would not be "going to war" it would do nothing but set the cause back. You're calling people cowards because they refuse to take an actions that is known to be counter-productive. On a similar note, if you endorse the death penalty for child molesters, do you look up the sex offender registry for your area and go out and kill the people on it for raping children? If a murderer is admittedly guilty but gets off on a legal technicality, do you hunt him down and kill him? There is nothing logically inconsistent with refusal to attempt vigilante justice on people who commit Abhorrent Crime X and saying that Abhorrent Crime X is a terrible evil. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:12:16 PM EDT
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This thread makes me want to take that job with planned parenthood, where they were offering a 15k signing bonus, just to piss off the pro-lifers here. 
The emotion in these types of threads is crazy. It's amazing how social conservatives want to save these fetuses at all costs, but then don't give two shits about them once they leave the womb. They are happy to let them starve once they are born. [Conservative Arfcommer] "Screw welfare... They aren't living off my tax dollars. Let the animals feed and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be having these kids if they can't care for them." [/Conservative Arfcommer]  The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:21:10 PM EDT
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I have news for you all. The SCOTUS just ruled gays can marry. The country is becoming more socially liberal not less, and will never go backward. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned. Your river of tears means shit. Any discussion of the morality of Abortion is for not, and will accomplish dick. So feel free to whine and gnash your teeth. I'll let the pro-life circle jerk now continue uninterrupted... As it is pointless to debate about something that will never change. It's a done deal. Abortions will continue unabated. The end. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of socialized medicine. The country is becoming more socialist, not less, and will never go backwards. Etc etc. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:23:40 PM EDT
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The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread makes me want to take that job with planned parenthood, where they were offering a 15k signing bonus, just to piss off the pro-lifers here.
The emotion in these types of threads is crazy. It's amazing how social conservatives want to save these fetuses at all costs, but then don't give two shits about them once they leave the womb. They are happy to let them starve once they are born. [Conservative Arfcommer] "Screw welfare... They aren't living off my tax dollars. Let the animals feed and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be having these kids if they can't care for them." [/Conservative Arfcommer] The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. Do you have statistics to support that assertion? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn't laughing at her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wasn't laughing at her. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:28:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have statistics to support that assertion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread makes me want to take that job with planned parenthood, where they were offering a 15k signing bonus, just to piss off the pro-lifers here. The emotion in these types of threads is crazy. It's amazing how social conservatives want to save these fetuses at all costs, but then don't give two shits about them once they leave the womb. They are happy to let them starve once they are born. [Conservative Arfcommer] "Screw welfare... They aren't living off my tax dollars. Let the animals feed and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be having these kids if they can't care for them." [/Conservative Arfcommer] The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. Do you have statistics to support that assertion? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:29:37 PM EDT
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So if ARFCOM hate the FSA, and the FSA has babies that makes more FSA, that would mean that abortion would keep the FSA from growing and make ARF happy. In other words, it appears that if you do NOT support abortion, you inadvertently support the expansion of the FSA. If you SUPPORT abortion, you support the reduction of the FSA. I have seen many people here state that the liberal agenda is the expansion of the FSA, so given the above, wouldn't NOT supporting abortion, still support the liberal agenda of increasing the FSA? So complicated... Not really. Driving around the hood putting bike locks on tenement doors then setting fire to them would reduce the FSA, but I dount most people here advocate that. Holding the belief "People who act in X way are bad for society and we should not encourage the growth of that group" does not then lead to the belief that it is good to murder people who act in X way. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:30:49 PM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Allowing? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:31:59 PM EDT
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This thread went exactly how I predicted.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:32:34 PM EDT
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60 million? is that it? As Americans, I expect we could do a lot better. We have the technology and the drive to replace that number with one at least ten times as much. We should set a goal of at least a billion and get started. The American flag should be something of awe to third world shitholes... respected, and feared.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:34:44 PM EDT
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How do you not get the comparison, or are you doing it on purpose? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Proof the American eugenics program is a success. Some say that abortion is much like modern day human sacrifice. The god the fetuses are sacrificed to are pleasure (sex) and convenience (don't want the responsibility of raising children). Some say that sex other than for procreation is forbidden, and that masturbation is a sin. To those Taliban types I say go suck a fat cock, puritanical douchbag. What does that have to do with abortion? He's comparing activities between consenting adults, and ending the life of a child. I see how he's trying to strawman them in there, but it's a silly attempt. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:40:10 PM EDT
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Yet, it is not the beginning of pregnancy, and that life has a good change of getting aborted by the mothers body. http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun99/wilcox2.htm So what if life starts at conception? You talk about scientific fact, it's a scientific fact women's bodies are abortion factories. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:42:53 PM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Do you even understand what the words you're typing mean? A miscarriage is not a deliberate action by definition. Your argument is as foolish as saying "Oh, so you're against murdering people with untreatable cancer but many of the people with untreatable cancer die anyway? Why aren't you outraged over the fact that people as are allowed to get untreatable cancer?" |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:44:36 PM EDT
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Indeed! IMHO it's a states rights issue (much like any hot button issue). I find the juxtaposition between people arguing against abortion rights based on religions principles in a country that notionally maintains a separation of church and state interesting as well. I also find it interesting more specific to this site that so many are proponents for individual liberties when it comes to things they want like firearms rights, but are adamantly opposed to reproductive rights which I would say is more of an individual liberty than anything else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:45:26 PM EDT
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Are you personally going to foot the bill for them? Pretty ironic to make a post mocking "feels" when "feels" is exactly behind the position that you are taking.
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I personally would have rather a world with them, but I guess having feels about a flag flying in SC while we take our Prius to our college "Post-Confederate Feminism as it relates to Climate" class without the burden of a child is more important. Are you personally going to foot the bill for them? Pretty ironic to make a post mocking "feels" when "feels" is exactly behind the position that you are taking.
With out the "Great Society" there would not have been so many un wed mothers or broken homes. Ironically welfare is one of the root causes for roe vs wade |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:45:28 PM EDT
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If you don't believe it , it's up to you to disprove his statement or you can just STFU right?
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This thread makes me want to take that job with planned parenthood, where they were offering a 15k signing bonus, just to piss off the pro-lifers here.
The emotion in these types of threads is crazy. It's amazing how social conservatives want to save these fetuses at all costs, but then don't give two shits about them once they leave the womb. They are happy to let them starve once they are born. [Conservative Arfcommer] "Screw welfare... They aren't living off my tax dollars. Let the animals feed and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be having these kids if they can't care for them." [/Conservative Arfcommer] The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. Do you have statistics to support that assertion?
He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:45:59 PM EDT
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I'll ask this question here as this seems like a better crowd then last time. Just a simple philosophical question Currently, abortions can be had by simply taking a pill. It is taken in in the early weeks of pregnancy(1-8) and essentially mocks the natural function of a spontaneous abortion. So, let's say that there is a pill that doesn't mock a spontaneous abortion, but gives the taker the ability to abort the fetus on command. Just like the body naturally does, only now it can be called upon rather then being a body response mechanism. Would that be murder? It is, for all intents and purposes the same body mechanism only now there is control by the mother on if it happens or not. Would it be murder to harness a process the body is already capable of naturally? Of course. Cancer is a natural process the body does on its own too, but if you deliberately caused another person to die from it then it'd still be murder wouldn't it? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:50:13 PM EDT
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Under the definition of some here, the female body does it naturally all the time, and that's completely fine. Though when outside forces cause it to happen it suddenly becomes wrong. You're either being dishonest or you're reading things into it that no one is saying. Miscarriages are not a choice. If someone gets sick and dies, that's a tragedy but not a crime. If someone deliberately infects them and they die, then it is a crime. Death from accident or illness is a bad thing, murdering someone is also bad as well as a crime even if the mechanism mimicked accident or illness. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread makes me want to take that job with planned parenthood, where they were offering a 15k signing bonus, just to piss off the pro-lifers here. The emotion in these types of threads is crazy. It's amazing how social conservatives want to save these fetuses at all costs, but then don't give two shits about them once they leave the womb. They are happy to let them starve once they are born. [Conservative Arfcommer] "Screw welfare... They aren't living off my tax dollars. Let the animals feed and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be having these kids if they can't care for them." [/Conservative Arfcommer] The religious folks who are most anti abortion are also statistically far more likely to donate and volunteer for charity. I bet the overlap you're looking at is between the folks who are glad to see babies killed because they think they would go on welfare and the folks you are parodying. Do you have statistics to support that assertion? He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. Abortion is by definition not accidental or unavoidable. The fact that the survival rate for very young unborn children is low has no bearing on the moral implications of choosing to end that life. It's like saying that if you have terminal cancer it's not murder to kill you. Quote HistoryQuoted: snip That is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. Abortion is by definition not accidental or unavoidable. The fact that the survival rate for very young unborn children is low has no bearing on the moral implications of choosing to end that life. It's like saying that if you have terminal cancer it's not murder to kill you. Also, your analogy is terrible. Murdering unborn children through abortion is Federally recognized as legal. It is actually is legal for you to kill me if I was a terminally ill cancer patient, as long as you were a physician here in Wa. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:52:23 PM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. I don't think there is a formal fallacy specified for attempting to equate murder with death from natural causes. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:58:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Life begins at conception" is a scientific fact, not a religious opinion. If you see anyone arguing for a ban on contraceptives then you'd have a point. Owning an inanimate object is in no way comparable to ending an innocent life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:snip The government isn't the solution to this problem. I'm willing to bet that welfare and other brilliant government programs greatly contribute to the number of abortions. I find the juxtaposition between people arguing against abortion rights based on religions principles in a country that notionally maintains a separation of church and state interesting as well. I also find it interesting more specific to this site that so many are proponents for individual liberties when it comes to things they want like firearms rights, but are adamantly opposed to reproductive rights which I would say is more of an individual liberty than anything else. "Life begins at conception" is a scientific fact, not a religious opinion. If you see anyone arguing for a ban on contraceptives then you'd have a point. Owning an inanimate object is in no way comparable to ending an innocent life. Also, you did just skylight yourself as one of the people I mention. The right to firearms ownership in America isn't an inanimate object. It's a fundamentally recognized thing that a person has by being. What makes an unborn child innocent anyways? They are a blank slate that has no agency. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:59:34 PM EDT
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And if you call his statement into question you should disprove it. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. Nah, The proof is the duty of the person making the claim. Enjoy your anger. Have a great day. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:01:47 PM EDT
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Who gives a shit when life begins? People who object to the ending of life without cause? Did I say that anywhere in that reply... to a person not you? If you're going to jump in at least keep it relevant. Also, you did just skylight yourself as one of the people I mention.Lol The right to firearms ownership in America isn't an inanimate object. It's a fundamentally recognized thing that a person has by being. As is the right to not have your life ended without a just cause. What makes an unborn child innocent anyways? They are a blank slate that has no agency. Innocent in the sense of "Having done nothing to justify ending their life." |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:04:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:08:30 PM EDT
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It's the only healthcare that I endorse 100% subsidized by the feds. this, unless the anits pledge to adopt all..step up the process So Gov welfare is bad unless it supports killing babies? 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:10:52 PM EDT
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The Supreme Court ruled in favor of socialized medicine. The country is becoming more socialist, not less, and will never go backwards. Etc etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have news for you all. The SCOTUS just ruled gays can marry. The country is becoming more socially liberal not less, and will never go backward. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned. Your river of tears means shit. Any discussion of the morality of Abortion is for not, and will accomplish dick. So feel free to whine and gnash your teeth. I'll let the pro-life circle jerk now continue uninterrupted... As it is pointless to debate about something that will never change. It's a done deal. Abortions will continue unabated. The end. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of socialized medicine. The country is becoming more socialist, not less, and will never go backwards. Etc etc. Until the socialism completely fails. Then I think we will swing back toward capitalism, freedoms ect. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:15:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a shit when life begins? Did I say that anywhere in that reply... to a person not you? If you're going to jump in at least keep it relevant. Also, you did just skylight yourself as one of the people I mention. The right to firearms ownership in America isn't an inanimate object. It's a fundamentally recognized thing that a person has by being. What makes an unborn child innocent anyways? They are a blank slate that has no agency. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:snip The government isn't the solution to this problem. I'm willing to bet that welfare and other brilliant government programs greatly contribute to the number of abortions. I find the juxtaposition between people arguing against abortion rights based on religions principles in a country that notionally maintains a separation of church and state interesting as well. I also find it interesting more specific to this site that so many are proponents for individual liberties when it comes to things they want like firearms rights, but are adamantly opposed to reproductive rights which I would say is more of an individual liberty than anything else. "Life begins at conception" is a scientific fact, not a religious opinion. If you see anyone arguing for a ban on contraceptives then you'd have a point. Owning an inanimate object is in no way comparable to ending an innocent life. Also, you did just skylight yourself as one of the people I mention. The right to firearms ownership in America isn't an inanimate object. It's a fundamentally recognized thing that a person has by being. What makes an unborn child innocent anyways? They are a blank slate that has no agency. An unborn Baby is innocent because they haven't done any harm to anyone or anything construed as evil. Like I said your constant arrogant attitude and snarky comments make you one of three things A troll, or in this case just trolling Obtuse Or a broken person lacking certain morals Personally I think you like trolling people to try and get then angry because in real life you can't or wont engage in such a rude manner or someone would surely beat you senseless. No one talks to people like you do in real life, for a good reason. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, The proof is the duty of the person making the claim. Enjoy your anger. Have a great day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. Nah, The proof is the duty of the person making the claim. Enjoy your anger. Have a great day. You're funny I don't get mad or angry, especially over some idiots on a message board (not calling you an idiot you understand) |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're either trolling or a really broken human being An unborn Baby is innocent because they haven't done any harm to anyone or anything construed as evil. Like I said your constant arrogant attitude and snarky comments make you one of three things A troll, or in this case just trolling Obtuse Or a broken person lacking certain morals Personally I think you like trolling people to try and get then angry because in real life you can't or wont engage in such a rude manner or someone would surely beat you senseless. No one talks to people like you do in real life, for a good reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An unborn Baby is innocent because they haven't done any harm to anyone or anything construed as evil. Like I said your constant arrogant attitude and snarky comments make you one of three things A troll, or in this case just trolling Obtuse Or a broken person lacking certain morals Personally I think you like trolling people to try and get then angry because in real life you can't or wont engage in such a rude manner or someone would surely beat you senseless. No one talks to people like you do in real life, for a good reason. If you think I wouldn't make the same arguments in "real life" then you're mistaken. I just hang out with people that enjoy debate, and don't get super butt hurt talking about really complicated moral issues. LOL beat me senseless... Fuck. You sound like the kid who demanded other kids meet him at the flag pole after class. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:53:20 PM EDT
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Anger ? You're funny I don't get mad or angry, especially over some idiots on a message board (not calling you an idiot you understand) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. Nah, The proof is the duty of the person making the claim. Enjoy your anger. Have a great day. You're funny I don't get mad or angry, especially over some idiots on a message board (not calling you an idiot you understand) One simply assumes anger given the irrational bend you took. Maybe it is something else. You really don't understand that proving an assertion is the burden of the person making it? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:05:28 PM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. Ascribing agency to natural process. Is that equivalent to ascribing agency to a single cell or a collection of cells, or a small organism with no higher brain function? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:06:46 PM EDT
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Do you even understand what the words you're typing mean? A miscarriage is not a deliberate action by definition. Your argument is as foolish as saying "Oh, so you're against murdering people with untreatable cancer but many of the people with untreatable cancer die anyway? Why aren't you outraged over the fact that people as are allowed to get untreatable cancer?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Do you even understand what the words you're typing mean? A miscarriage is not a deliberate action by definition. Your argument is as foolish as saying "Oh, so you're against murdering people with untreatable cancer but many of the people with untreatable cancer die anyway? Why aren't you outraged over the fact that people as are allowed to get untreatable cancer?" There are lots of people outraged that more isn't being done to develop treatment for untreatable cancer, what's the difference? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They must take people like me serious in real life, because killing "innocent" babies is Federally legal. An unborn baby hasn't done anything period except cell division. If you think I wouldn't make the same arguments in "real life" then you're mistaken. I just hang out with people that enjoy debate, and don't get super butt hurt talking about really complicated moral issues. LOL beat me senseless... Fuck. You sound like the kid who demanded other kids meet him at the flag pole after class. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An unborn Baby is innocent because they haven't done any harm to anyone or anything construed as evil. Like I said your constant arrogant attitude and snarky comments make you one of three things A troll, or in this case just trolling Obtuse Or a broken person lacking certain morals Personally I think you like trolling people to try and get then angry because in real life you can't or wont engage in such a rude manner or someone would surely beat you senseless. No one talks to people like you do in real life, for a good reason. If you think I wouldn't make the same arguments in "real life" then you're mistaken. I just hang out with people that enjoy debate, and don't get super butt hurt talking about really complicated moral issues. LOL beat me senseless... Fuck. You sound like the kid who demanded other kids meet him at the flag pole after class. The point was I do not believe you talk so arrogantly to people in real life, not that I wish you harm, only that if you speak to people like you do here , then do that in real life I don't know how you wouldn't get smacked. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One simply assumes anger given the irrational bend you took. Maybe it is something else. You really don't understand that proving an assertion is the burden of the person making it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He brought up "statistically." That typically suggest some kind of proof or evidence. I would like to see that evidence. Because I have seen evidence to the contrary in working with a fairly large Christian charity, though what I have seen may be the exception. Typically providing the stats is the duty of the person who invokes them in making a claim. Put in your own work, he's under no obligation to provide you shit. Nah, The proof is the duty of the person making the claim. Enjoy your anger. Have a great day. You're funny I don't get mad or angry, especially over some idiots on a message board (not calling you an idiot you understand) One simply assumes anger given the irrational bend you took. Maybe it is something else. You really don't understand that proving an assertion is the burden of the person making it? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:29:46 PM EDT
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So if life starts at conception, and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, where's the moral outrage over allowing that to happen? Is it less morally outrageous to allow a fetus to die or more or equal? Fallacy alert. red herring perhaps |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I only had 5 fights in HS and I have never started a fight in my life, I fought in the ring, ring 34 gym when I was a kid in jersey and an intramural league in the Navy , then when I got home I had 45 more amateur bouts finishing my amateur career at 59-1 The point was I do not believe you talk so arrogantly to people in real life, not that I wish you harm, only that if you speak to people like you do here , then do that in real life I don't know how you wouldn't get smacked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The point was I do not believe you talk so arrogantly to people in real life, not that I wish you harm, only that if you speak to people like you do here , then do that in real life I don't know how you wouldn't get smacked. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course I talk like I do here to people in real life. I get in HUGE arguments with my extremely diverse group of friends all the time. I do it with people I don't know as well either. I don't hang around people who throw childish temper tantrums and want to get physical though. Why should I? Also... being a giant former combat Infantryman helps a lot too. But mostly just hanging out with intelligent articulate people and avoiding meat-heads does wonders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The point was I do not believe you talk so arrogantly to people in real life, not that I wish you harm, only that if you speak to people like you do here , then do that in real life I don't know how you wouldn't get smacked. So you call people names and insult them and no one ever wants to take a swing at you? Good for you, my friends and I talk civil to each other and debate issues with that same respect, if one of us was to take the tone you do here someone would get a little ticked, maybe leading to a smack. I'm 6'2" 225, when I was in the Navy I was 5'11" 165 lbs, I knocked out much bigger guys all the time mr giant combat infantryman , but there is always someone tougher out there. Maybe the written word is not conveying how you sound in real life and it comes off really arrogant in type? Thank you for your service too. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:41:29 AM EDT
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OK so you feel because you say you're a big guy it helps to get over with that arrogant snarky attitude? So you call people names and insult them and no one ever wants to take a swing at you? Good for you, my friends and I talk civil to each other and debate issues with that same respect, if one of us was to take the tone you do here someone would get a little ticked, maybe leading to a smack. I'm 6'2" 225, when I was in the Navy I was 5'11" 165 lbs, I knocked out much bigger guys all the time mr giant combat infantryman , but there is always someone tougher out there. Maybe the written word is not conveying how you sound in real life and it comes off really arrogant in type? Thank you for your service too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK so you feel because you say you're a big guy it helps to get over with that arrogant snarky attitude? So you call people names and insult them and no one ever wants to take a swing at you? Good for you, my friends and I talk civil to each other and debate issues with that same respect, if one of us was to take the tone you do here someone would get a little ticked, maybe leading to a smack. I'm 6'2" 225, when I was in the Navy I was 5'11" 165 lbs, I knocked out much bigger guys all the time mr giant combat infantryman , but there is always someone tougher out there. Maybe the written word is not conveying how you sound in real life and it comes off really arrogant in type? Thank you for your service too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you call people names and insult them and no one ever wants to take a swing at you? Good for you, my friends and I talk civil to each other and debate issues with that same respect, if one of us was to take the tone you do here someone would get a little ticked, maybe leading to a smack. I'm 6'2" 225, when I was in the Navy I was 5'11" 165 lbs, I knocked out much bigger guys all the time mr giant combat infantryman , but there is always someone tougher out there. Maybe the written word is not conveying how you sound in real life and it comes off really arrogant in type? Thank you for your service too. As to the rest of your diatribe.... I've worked with guys that fit a very similar background, which explains everything. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:52:30 AM EDT
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Have you ever considered what you claiming you would physically assault someone who ideologically disagrees with you makes you sound like? At this point, I'm just going to assume you're being a blowhard on the Internet, because if the former is true I would be forced to consider you a emotionally unstable violent threat. ETA: I just realized something, you were semi-serious about amateur boxing, you gained 3 inches and 60lbs of muscle mass after your post-pubescent growth cycle. The emotional instability and anger now totally makes sense, because I now estimate there is a 92% probability that you were juicing like a motherfucker on anabolic steroids and HGH. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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