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Wrong.  It's a very simple question, with a very clear, certain answer: conception.


Reject whatever you want, you're the one showing your ignorance and looking like a fool.


"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Muller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29.]

"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]

"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

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It is.

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Many people support abortions out of ignorance - claiming it's not a baby; claiming it's not human.  When they learn the truth, their opinion may change.



I don't know if those in this thread spreading these falsehoods are doing so out of ignorance or malice, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

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I stand corrected.  I thought that life beginning at conception was my opinion.  Now I know it's a scientific fact.



Thank you.

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Yet, it is not the beginning of pregnancy, and that life has a good change of getting aborted by the mothers body.    

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun99/wilcox2.htm



So what if life starts at conception? You talk about scientific fact, it's a scientific fact women's bodies are abortion factories.

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Yet, it is not the beginning of pregnancy, and that life has a good change of getting aborted by the mothers body.    

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun99/wilcox2.htm



So what if life starts at conception? You talk about scientific fact, it's a scientific fact women's bodies are abortion factories.

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Yep that is the rub. Some would argue that all forms of birth control are wrong. On the other end you've got people who think third trimester abortions are perfectly fine. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Luckily our government has listened and is smart enough to stay out of this issue, and allows individuals to choose what is right and wrong for themselves. I understand people who don't support abortion, but I don't understand people who think that the government can make the issue better.

The government isn't the solution to this problem. I'm willing to bet that welfare and other brilliant government programs greatly contribute to the number of abortions.

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A rational human being who would allow women to have control over their reproduction and contreceptive choices?  What a monster!  

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In real life I have never heard a pregnant woman, feminist or not, call it anything other than a baby residing in her womb. "I can feel the baby kicking". I guess they are babies when they are good and wanted and therefore allowed to be born, they are fetuses when they are parasitic and unwanted and need to be snipped up and hoovered out.

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Yep that is the rub. Some would argue that all forms of birth control are wrong. On the other end you've got people who think third trimester abortions are perfectly fine. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Luckily our government has listened and is smart enough to stay out of this issue, and allows individuals to choose what is right and wrong for themselves. I understand people who don't support abortion, but I don't understand people who think that the government can make the issue better.



The government isn't the solution to this problem. I'm willing to bet that welfare and other brilliant government programs greatly contribute to the number of abortions.

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I wasn't talking to you, yappy little dog.  Run away while the big people have a conversation.

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Indeed!  IMHO it's a states rights issue (much like any hot button issue).    

I find the juxtaposition between people arguing against abortion rights based on religions principles in a country that notionally maintains a separation of church and state interesting as well.  I also find it interesting more specific to this site that so many are proponents for individual liberties when it comes to things they want like firearms rights, but are adamantly opposed to reproductive rights which I would say is more of an individual liberty than anything else.

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Have you actually taken the time to learn the history behind abortion and planned parenthood yet? You might not sound as ridiculous.  

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Have you actually taken the time to learn the history behind abortion and planned parenthood yet? You might not sound as ridiculous.  

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Put me on ignore slick, you'll sleep better tonight, insults and little digs from moms basement huh?

 

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We are talking about now, keep up or let the Adults talk

 

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Indeed!  IMHO it's a states rights issue (much like any hot button issue).    

I find the juxtaposition between people arguing against abortion rights based on religions principles in a country that notionally maintains a separation of church and state interesting as well.  I also find it interesting more specific to this site that so many are proponents for individual liberties when it comes to things they want like firearms rights, but are adamantly opposed to reproductive rights which I would say is more of an individual liberty than anything else.

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It is an interesting hypocrisy. I agree that most things could be handled better by the States. But old honest Abe decisively ensured that will never happen.  



I just noticed your sig line got updated.

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Speaking of Abe, it's funny how a states rights issue (gay marriage) has risen up that is dividing America over a minority of the population, meanwhile at the same time there is contention over the use of a certain flag...    

The more things change... lol

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No, we really don't.

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You have made it clear you do not believe in God and mock those that do.
In your mind there is no consequences for abortion because it's legal and there is no God to punish for all the unborn babies killed.
I believe in God, I am by no means a holy roller, that said I hope i'm there when you find out God is real
Mock all you want

You are free to not believe in God, you are not free to ridicule those of us who do believe in God.
There is a limit to the mocking of God here and members here who do believe, keep it up and you might pull a ban hammer.    
 

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Bark bark bark!  



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If I had super power ...lets assume I could shoot bolts of lightning from my arse...if I decided to super...naturally kill someone it would still be killing (assuming they died.

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You have made it clear you do not believe in God and mock those that do.
In your mind there is no consequences for abortion because it's legal and there is no God to punish for all the unborn babies killed.
I believe in God, I am by no means a holy roller, that said I hope i'm there when you find out God is real
Mock all you want

You are free to not believe in God, you are not free to ridicule those of us who do believe in God.
There is a limit to the mocking of God here and members here who do believe, keep it up and I hope you pull a ban hammer.    
 

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So what? People kill other people all the time and it's perfectly legal.  

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You don't need jesus to know right from wrong.


I'm agnostic. Killing  kids is still wrong.

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If I had super power ...lets assume I could shoot bolts of lightning from my arse...if I decided to super...naturally kill someone it would still be killing (assuming they died.

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So what? People kill other people all the time and it's perfectly legal.  

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Have you actually taken the time to learn the history behind abortion and planned parenthood yet? You might not sound as ridiculous.  

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I said it would be killing, not wrong.

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Margaret Sanger was a racist  ugly old bitch.  

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  Under the definition of some here, the female body does it naturally all the time, and that's completely fine. Though when outside forces cause it to happen it suddenly becomes wrong.

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  Under the definition of some here, the female body does it naturally all the time, and that's completely fine. Though when outside forces cause it to happen it suddenly becomes wrong.

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Right! It seems like the greatest friction point is that the people that think it's wrong to use external influence, don't have any momentum to convince people that don't that they should think the same way.    

"It's bad because it's bad" isn't much of an argument.  "It's bad because you need Jesus" is WAY worse.


"It's MURDER!" is fine to yell, but its codified as justifiable under the USC.  Yelling it louder doesn't change that either.




Then there's the dude here that try to make people who support abortion feel bad or whatever (I.E. that nutter that keeps calling people monsters). That works about as well as telling a smoker they are monsters for smoking...  all it's going to get is a hearty "fuck you" after a drag.






LOL@ people on BOTH sides that think the solution is yelling louder.

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The real question is at what point in the life cycle should the govt. provide the minimum protections of refraining to intentionally harm another individual.  The state protects those at the end of their lives till the point the heart or brain waves cease.  It would be logical to grant protections at the stage that a heartbeat/brainwaves are detectable.  I am very supportive of a woman's autonomy over her own body.  However, the fact is 99.5 % of pregnant women chose to have sex, they chose not to use birth control, they chose not to avail themselves of condoms or plan B.  Knowing that pregnancy is the possible/likely result of sex;  is it asking too much to make those choices before another human is punished for their poor choices?  Would not an additional two months be enough time to choose not to subject another human to the barbaric painful practices employed at later dates?