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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:29:31 PM EDT
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So why not report to work anyway? What sort of repercussions would there be if you chose to cross lines and work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thats what happened 3 years ago. We got a call about 5 till midnight saying report to work Monday. I expect more of the same this time around. Last time there was a strike was in 1980. Not too many guys around a from that time to tell us how it went if someone crossed. So if no contract was agreed upon I don't know how the company would handle payment of employees, insurance etc.. I suppose they could individually negotiate each persons wages, but I'm assuming that they would have a set rate for maintenance employees and no guarantee of what that would be or what benefits would be. Shit, for all I know you could cross the line to go in and they would send you away. I've never come across that before so your guess is as good as mine. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:49:43 PM EDT
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All union bashing aside, good luck. I hope that they powers that be get their shit together before it costs you money, man.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:54:24 PM EDT
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lol unions
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:13:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last time there was a strike was in 1980. Not too many guys around a from that time to tell us how it went if someone crossed. So if no contract was agreed upon I don't know how the company would handle payment of employees, insurance etc.. I suppose they could individually negotiate each persons wages, but I'm assuming that they would have a set rate for maintenance employees and no guarantee of what that would be or what benefits would be. Shit, for all I know you could cross the line to go in and they would send you away. I've never come across that before so your guess is as good as mine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thats what happened 3 years ago. We got a call about 5 till midnight saying report to work Monday. I expect more of the same this time around. Last time there was a strike was in 1980. Not too many guys around a from that time to tell us how it went if someone crossed. So if no contract was agreed upon I don't know how the company would handle payment of employees, insurance etc.. I suppose they could individually negotiate each persons wages, but I'm assuming that they would have a set rate for maintenance employees and no guarantee of what that would be or what benefits would be. Shit, for all I know you could cross the line to go in and they would send you away. I've never come across that before so your guess is as good as mine. A lot of time the wages will be fairly inflated, the benefits will be fairly low, and good luck to your personal work environment ever being the same again. Being non-union is one thing, being a scab is another ... Of the plants that I work around that has had legit "scabs" work in at one point the guys who crossed are not thought of very well even decades later.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:44:53 PM EDT
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All union bashing aside, good luck. I hope that they powers that be get their shit together before it costs you money, man. I really appreciate that. Shits intense right now. Our last contract wasnt this nerve wrecking. Ive got plenty of coin saved up to get me through for quite a while. Still dont like it though. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:04:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really appreciate that. Shits intense right now. Our last contract wasnt this nerve wrecking. Ive got plenty of coin saved up to get me through for quite a while. Still dont like it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All union bashing aside, good luck. I hope that they powers that be get their shit together before it costs you money, man. I really appreciate that. Shits intense right now. Our last contract wasnt this nerve wrecking. Ive got plenty of coin saved up to get me through for quite a while. Still dont like it though. SO when are you going to quit your union? Good info here: http://www.nrtw.org/a_3_t.htm "Unions sometimes attempt to impose limitations upon the right of a member to resign. However, a decision of the Supreme Court in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, 431 U.S. 209 (1977), a Foundation-supported lawsuit, makes clear that you cannot constitutionally be prevented from resigning from your union at any time. Some states, but not all, also have statutes that guarantee public employees the right to resign." Make a thread on the process and how it works out for you.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:11:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TL;DR (For the hate and butthurt) I'm bummed because my Union is prohibited by an antiquated law from striking. If they are going to allow a union, then let the game play out. Personally, I'd rather live or die on my own merits. But, I work in a closed shop with a seniority system governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement. What's a fella to do...? TC |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:16:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TL;DR (For the hate and butthurt) I'm bummed because my Union is prohibited by an antiquated law from striking. If they are going to allow a union, then let the game play out. Personally, I'd rather live or die on my own merits. But, I work in a closed shop with a seniority system governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement. What's a fella to do...? TC according to all of arfGD.. you are required , pertaining to your team membership, to walk the fuck out, burn the place down, add a hole to all of your union leaderships head and scream "Merica" as you go about your own business hoping and praying you will find another job with the same pay and bens that your union helped your shop get in the first place.. and if you don't, then its your own fault and your a scumbag employee and are worthless and FSA anyway |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:18:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious about the pro-union, rah rah chest thumpers. When your plumbing backs up do you call one of your plumbers union brothers to come fix it? how about other home repairs or auto work? Do you support the collective of do you sneak around behind their backs and do it yourself; stealing the food out of the mouths of their children? You either believe all of that shit or you just lie about it to the collective. its not against MOST union rules and regs to perform your own trade work for your own self (or family). making a profit or doing it as a side biz is prohibited and guys get kicked the fuck out for getting caught. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:21:13 PM EDT
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The company I work for is Union. They went on working for 3 years without a contract before they reached an agreement. The union that I am in is pretty much a union in name only. If you do something stupid that deserves firing they most likely will fire you. If my union ever goes on strike I will quit and get a new job. Don't need all of that bs.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:44:24 PM EDT
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according to all of arfGD.. you are required , pertaining to your team membership, to walk the fuck out, burn the place down, add a hole to all of your union leaderships head and scream "Merica" as you go about your own business hoping and praying you will find another job with the same pay and bens that your union helped your shop get in the first place.. and if you don't, then its your own fault and your a scumbag employee and are worthless and FSA anyway Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TL;DR (For the hate and butthurt) I'm bummed because my Union is prohibited by an antiquated law from striking. If they are going to allow a union, then let the game play out. Personally, I'd rather live or die on my own merits. But, I work in a closed shop with a seniority system governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement. What's a fella to do...? TC according to all of arfGD.. you are required , pertaining to your team membership, to walk the fuck out, burn the place down, add a hole to all of your union leaderships head and scream "Merica" as you go about your own business hoping and praying you will find another job with the same pay and bens that your union helped your shop get in the first place.. and if you don't, then its your own fault and your a scumbag employee and are worthless and FSA anyway I know. Im a terrible person. 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 7:56:20 PM EDT
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Don't feel bad OP, I'm off worse than you with the group of guys posting here. I'm a state employee
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Posted: 1/31/2015 8:20:46 PM EDT
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Indiana is a socialist workers paradise. Good to know. You're still governed by the NLRA. NLRB defers almost everything that they can (to any other agency, contractual process, etc). You get a piece of paper to add to your grievance & give to the arbitrator that says that the NLRB is going to review the decision, that's it. The exceptions are limited - "failure to provide information" is really the only one that they will take forward every time. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 6:14:53 AM EDT
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News from the USW Facebook page
Pittsburgh—The United Steelworkers Union (USW) announced that it is calling for a work stoppage at the following US refineries:
LyondellBasell in Houston, TX; Marathon Galveston Bay Refinery in Texas City, TX; Marathon Houston Green Cogeneration facility, Texas City, TX; Marathon Refinery, Catlettsburg, Ky; Shell Deer Park Refinery, Deer Park, TX; Shell Deer Park Chemical Plant, Deer Park, TX; Tesoro Anacortes Refinery, Anacortes, Wash.; Tesoro Martinez Refinery, Martinez, Calif.; and Tesoro Carson Refinery, Carson, Calif. All these refineries will go on strike at 12:01 am local time. “Shell refused to provide us with a counter-offer and left the bargaining table,” said USW International President Leo W. Gerard. “We had no choice but to give notice of a work stoppage.” The remaining USW-represented refineries and oil facilities are operating under a rolling 24-hour contract extension. The USW represents 65 U.S. refineries and over 230 refineries, oil terminals, pipelines and petrochemical facilities in the U.S. “We told Shell that we were willing to continue bargaining for a fair agreement that would benefit the workers and the industry, but they just refused to return to the table,” said USW International Vice President Gary Beevers, who heads the union’s National Oil Bargaining Program. “This work stoppage is about onerous overtime; unsafe staffing levels; dangerous conditions the industry continues to ignore; the daily occurrences of fires, emissions, leaks and explosions that threaten local communities without the industry doing much about it; the industry’s refusal to make opportunities for workers in the trade crafts; the flagrant contracting out that impacts health and safety on the job; and the erosion of our workplace, where qualified and experienced union workers are replaced by contractors when they leave or retire,” Beevers added. For the record, I am at Monroe Energy Trainer Refinery, USW 10-234 and our local contract is up March 1. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:31:41 AM EDT
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according to all of arfGD.. you are required , pertaining to your team membership, to walk the fuck out, burn the place down, add a hole to all of your union leaderships head and scream "Merica" as you go about your own business hoping and praying you will find another job with the same pay and bens that your union helped your shop get in the first place.. and if you don't, then its your own fault and your a scumbag employee and are worthless and FSA anyway Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TL;DR (For the hate and butthurt) I'm bummed because my Union is prohibited by an antiquated law from striking. If they are going to allow a union, then let the game play out. Personally, I'd rather live or die on my own merits. But, I work in a closed shop with a seniority system governed by a Collective Bargaining Agreement. What's a fella to do...? TC according to all of arfGD.. you are required , pertaining to your team membership, to walk the fuck out, burn the place down, add a hole to all of your union leaderships head and scream "Merica" as you go about your own business hoping and praying you will find another job with the same pay and bens that your union helped your shop get in the first place.. and if you don't, then its your own fault and your a scumbag employee and are worthless and FSA anyway Lol.That's hilarious. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:38:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:52:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAt the National level we are not one of the 9 to strike. However, we still haven't signed a local contract, so we could very well be one of them at a local level |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:00:09 AM EDT
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I didn't realize there were so many union employees in the oil biz. Maybe it is a good thing the president is going to veto Keystone. Less union FSA Communists jobs the better.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:03:11 AM EDT
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I didn't realize there were so many union employees in the oil biz. Maybe it is a good thing the president is going to veto Keystone. Less union FSA Communists jobs the better. Lol |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:04:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't realize there were so many union employees in the oil biz. Maybe it is a good thing the president is going to veto Keystone. Less union FSA Communists jobs the better. At least the Local 798 guys probably realize who is building their infrastructure. Damn you FSA trade unionists with your inflated wages and paying more taxes than the average non-union equivalent, damn you all to hell! |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:06:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the National level we are not one of the 9 to strike. However, we still haven't signed a local contract, so we could very well be one of them at a local level Quote HistoryQuoted: At the National level we are not one of the 9 to strike. However, we still haven't signed a local contract, so we could very well be one of them at a local level Hopefully they are able to reach an amicable agreement because this is a crappy time to be striking. The current NLRB is fairly useless and the current administration regardless of what some would like to think is not all that labor friendly. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:06:51 AM EDT
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I assume ASW
Op, how long have you worked at Marathon? I know She'll and some others have put a lot of Good deals on the table. Saw the union scumbags around here protesting at one of the properties I own and had the local constabulary escort them to a public area off of my premises. It was hilarious the number of people driving by and giving them the finger. Our city is extremely right wing, but with some of the negotiations happening near by, I guess they thought this was a good AO. I forgot to take pictures of the strength through solidarity and other commie signs. Maybe they will be back today. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:09:14 AM EDT
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I've seen first hand union theatre. A dozen guys spending all day finding reasons NOT to accomplish anything. Funny how you can bring in 2 non union guys and accomplish in 2 days what a dozen guys couldn't get done in 2 weeks. Also, the independent guys were paid much more than the union guys, and they don't contribute to the gun grabbers and liberals with every paycheck.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:21:18 AM EDT
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I've seen first hand union theatre. A dozen guys spending all day finding reasons NOT to accomplish anything. Funny how you can bring in 2 non union guys and accomplish in 2 days what a dozen guys couldn't get done in 2 weeks. Also, the independent guys were paid much more than the union guys, and they don't contribute to the gun grabbers and liberals with every paycheck. I work for a union that gets paid by the piece. Every step you take in the split has a timing done by the company and union together. You bust your ass to make money where I work. Not all unions are the same. There is no timing in our splits for smoke breaks or fucking each other in the ass. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:22:53 AM EDT
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Unions should be violently broken up whenever they are encountered, their leadership jailed, and their membership dismissed. +100000 |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:24:49 AM EDT
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its not against MOST union rules and regs to perform your own trade work for your own self (or family). making a profit or doing it as a side biz is prohibited and guys get kicked the fuck out for getting caught. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm curious about the pro-union, rah rah chest thumpers. When your plumbing backs up do you call one of your plumbers union brothers to come fix it? how about other home repairs or auto work? Do you support the collective of do you sneak around behind their backs and do it yourself; stealing the food out of the mouths of their children? You either believe all of that shit or you just lie about it to the collective. its not against MOST union rules and regs to perform your own trade work for your own self (or family). making a profit or doing it as a side biz is prohibited and guys get kicked the fuck out for getting caught. Then that union member is stealing food from his brothers family and doesn't really believe in the union. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Unions should be violently broken up whenever they are encountered, their leadership jailed, and their membership dismissed. +100000 I know what the average union guy makes in the oil industry as I have sat across from the union at multiple bargaining sessions. Its not uncommon for them to make over 100k, plus bonus and very good benefits. The oil industry pays hourly guys waaay above what most other industries do plus the benefit plans are much better. The union has an agenda and it ain't that they are underpaid...they must th ink it's time to stir things up and get some press time. Or some internal politics are playing into things....guys trying to make a move or hold onto their power. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:39:08 PM EDT
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Just got word that the strike is going forward here.
Must be nice to walk off your job without any consequences. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 2:22:44 PM EDT
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Just got word that the strike is going forward here. Must be nice to walk off your job without any consequences. I bet its way nice |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 2:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then that union member is stealing food from his brothers family and doesn't really believe in the union. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm curious about the pro-union, rah rah chest thumpers. When your plumbing backs up do you call one of your plumbers union brothers to come fix it? how about other home repairs or auto work? Do you support the collective of do you sneak around behind their backs and do it yourself; stealing the food out of the mouths of their children? You either believe all of that shit or you just lie about it to the collective. its not against MOST union rules and regs to perform your own trade work for your own self (or family). making a profit or doing it as a side biz is prohibited and guys get kicked the fuck out for getting caught. Then that union member is stealing food from his brothers family and doesn't really believe in the union. I'm simply can't break this down any more Barney-style than i did. so ill concede you are 100% correct, just so you feel better. kay? *smooches* |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 2:52:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2015 3:24:34 PM EDT
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What he said. The aluminum manufacturing plant down the road locked the uniom N out many years ago. They were in the pension getting rid of mood. They tried to run the plant with management and non Union workers. Needles to say management grossly underestimated the knowledge of process and Equipement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife made some serious extra bucks on Scab duty back in 2013. 7X10 for about 6 weeks. Funny thing...with management & engineering in the plant working, they maintained about 70% the normal output, with less rejected work, but they only put in about 40% of the total labor hours per week as normal union crew. I work in a manufacturing facility and have a hard time believing that. Even with a seasoned crew of Amish Mexicans giving it their all, there's no way in hell they would crank out 70% schedule with just 40% of the man hours. What he said. The aluminum manufacturing plant down the road locked the uniom N out many years ago. They were in the pension getting rid of mood. They tried to run the plant with management and non Union workers. Needles to say management grossly underestimated the knowledge of process and Equipement. At the meat packing plant I used to work at, it went union a few years ago. Before it went union, senior management was 95% former line workers that worked their way up the ladder and still kept their meat cutting skills fresh by jumping in the line from time to time. When we were raided by ICE and lost a few dozen workers, management was able to jump in the line and we kept production going. Over time was plentiful as we still completed our orders, but it took longer as we didn't have all the people required to keep the chain speed up. After the union came in (in part because they wanted better chances for advancement without having to learn to read or write English, funny haha), management was prohibited from working on the line as that took away work from the boners/trimmers/etc. Skills deteriorated among management, management is over 50% with no experience on the line, and for a few years after the union came in and they are hit by a union flu, customers suffered, no OT occured, and it just worked out not so good for the union. The original stewards and union reps were fired and people are getting smarter about not fucking over the best paying gig in town (that still hasn't caught up to what they would have been making had they not gone union in the first place). |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 3:31:21 PM EDT
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If unions actually wanted to benefit the needs of both the employees and the company, they would elect an actual employee to represent the other employees and then a member from the board of directors to work with the employee. No dues would be needed, the union would have teeth because of the board member and the employees would have representation from their own guys. That can be a bad thing. My old plant picked an illiterate guy who was demoted when it was discovered he couldn't read or write English as their rep. All the stewards were dumbasses who were consistently 1-2 points away from termination on poor attendance or had several write ups. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 4:21:59 PM EDT
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I know what the average union guy makes in the oil industry as I have sat across from the union at multiple bargaining sessions. Its not uncommon for them to make over 100k, plus bonus and very good benefits. The oil industry pays hourly guys waaay above what most other industries do plus the benefit plans are much better. The union has an agenda and it ain't that they are underpaid...they must th ink it's time to stir things up and get some press time. Or some internal politics are playing into things....guys trying to make a move or hold onto their power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unions should be violently broken up whenever they are encountered, their leadership jailed, and their membership dismissed. +100000 I know what the average union guy makes in the oil industry as I have sat across from the union at multiple bargaining sessions. Its not uncommon for them to make over 100k, plus bonus and very good benefits. The oil industry pays hourly guys waaay above what most other industries do plus the benefit plans are much better. The union has an agenda and it ain't that they are underpaid...they must th ink it's time to stir things up and get some press time. Or some internal politics are playing into things....guys trying to make a move or hold onto their power. That part about how much money they make per year is misleading. They are paid an hourly wage. A local refinery has hourly unit operators working 12 hour shifts They are slated for 3 shifts one week and 4 shifts the next week. 84 hours, right? The last 8 hours of the 7th shift is time and a half. The hourly scale there tops out at $36.55. So if they worked just that 84 hours per two week schedule, that comes out to $83,626 per year. The difference then is $16,374 . Time and a half comes out to $54.83 . Now, take that $16,374 and divide it by that $54.83. That comes out to an extra 298 hours, or 24 extra shifts. 84 hours every two weeks comes out to 2,184 hours at the end of a year. Your typical 9 to 5, 40 hour per week worker gets in only 2,080 hours per year regardless of holidays. So now tack on that 298 extra hours needed to break that magical $100,000 per year number to that 2,184. That is 2,482 hours total for the year, or 402 hours more than that 9 to 5, Monday through Friday guy. That would be like 10 extra weeks of work. I don't know about you, but in my opinion, people should be compensated for their time away from home and family. Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? Before too long will be venturing into Maxine Waters territory calling for the socialization of the oil industry. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 4:34:03 PM EDT
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Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? 1) All of us at the refinery are exposed to benzene and H2S. Engineers, Operators, Janitors. 2) None of us are saying that "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" but lets be realistic here. Guaranteed annual 6% raises, no matter whether you're a go-getter or a lazy shit-bird, is overly demanding. I maxed out my employee eval last year. You know how much I got? 3%. Others got less because they didn't work as hard. Don't like how much you're getting paid? Go work somewhere else. 3) Yeah. The .gov takes more off a gallon of gas than you, me, or the oil company. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 4:36:15 PM EDT
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That part about how much money they make per year is misleading. They are paid an hourly wage. A local refinery has hourly unit operators working 12 hour shifts They are slated for 3 shifts one week and 4 shifts the next week. 84 hours, right? The last 8 hours of the 7th shift is time and a half. The hourly scale there tops out at $36.55. So if they worked just that 84 hours per two week schedule, that comes out to $83,626 per year. The difference then is $16,374 . Time and a half comes out to $54.83 . Now, take that $16,374 and divide it by that $54.83. That comes out to an extra 298 hours, or 24 extra shifts. 84 hours every two weeks comes out to 2,184 hours at the end of a year. Your typical 9 to 5, 40 hour per week worker gets in only 2,080 hours per year regardless of holidays. So now tack on that 298 extra hours needed to break that magical $100,000 per year number to that 2,184. That is 2,482 hours total for the year, or 402 hours more than that 9 to 5, Monday through Friday guy. That would be like 10 extra weeks of work. I don't know about you, but in my opinion, people should be compensated for their time away from home and family. Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? Before too long will be venturing into Maxine Waters territory calling for the socialization of the oil industry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unions should be violently broken up whenever they are encountered, their leadership jailed, and their membership dismissed. +100000 I know what the average union guy makes in the oil industry as I have sat across from the union at multiple bargaining sessions. Its not uncommon for them to make over 100k, plus bonus and very good benefits. The oil industry pays hourly guys waaay above what most other industries do plus the benefit plans are much better. The union has an agenda and it ain't that they are underpaid...they must th ink it's time to stir things up and get some press time. Or some internal politics are playing into things....guys trying to make a move or hold onto their power. That part about how much money they make per year is misleading. They are paid an hourly wage. A local refinery has hourly unit operators working 12 hour shifts They are slated for 3 shifts one week and 4 shifts the next week. 84 hours, right? The last 8 hours of the 7th shift is time and a half. The hourly scale there tops out at $36.55. So if they worked just that 84 hours per two week schedule, that comes out to $83,626 per year. The difference then is $16,374 . Time and a half comes out to $54.83 . Now, take that $16,374 and divide it by that $54.83. That comes out to an extra 298 hours, or 24 extra shifts. 84 hours every two weeks comes out to 2,184 hours at the end of a year. Your typical 9 to 5, 40 hour per week worker gets in only 2,080 hours per year regardless of holidays. So now tack on that 298 extra hours needed to break that magical $100,000 per year number to that 2,184. That is 2,482 hours total for the year, or 402 hours more than that 9 to 5, Monday through Friday guy. That would be like 10 extra weeks of work. I don't know about you, but in my opinion, people should be compensated for their time away from home and family. Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? Before too long will be venturing into Maxine Waters territory calling for the socialization of the oil industry. Yeah, I don't think people realize that the government makes more money off a gallon of gas then the actual industry that makes it does. [figure up all the local, state, sales and fed taxes per gallon some time] |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 4:41:55 PM EDT
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1) All of us at the refinery are exposed to benzene and H2S. Engineers, Operators, Janitors. 2) None of us are saying that "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" but lets be realistic here. Guaranteed annual 6% raises, no matter whether you're a go-getter or a lazy shit-bird, is overly demanding. I maxed out my employee eval last year. You know how much I got? 3%. Others got less because they didn't work as hard. Don't like how much you're getting paid? Go work somewhere else. 3) Yeah. The .gov takes more off a gallon of gas than you, me, or the oil company. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? 1) All of us at the refinery are exposed to benzene and H2S. Engineers, Operators, Janitors. 2) None of us are saying that "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" but lets be realistic here. Guaranteed annual 6% raises, no matter whether you're a go-getter or a lazy shit-bird, is overly demanding. I maxed out my employee eval last year. You know how much I got? 3%. Others got less because they didn't work as hard. Don't like how much you're getting paid? Go work somewhere else. 3) Yeah. The .gov takes more off a gallon of gas than you, me, or the oil company. A janitor and an engineer are not exposed to the same health risks as somebody who turns valves. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:06:40 PM EDT
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1) All of us at the refinery are exposed to benzene and H2S. Engineers, Operators, Janitors. 2) None of us are saying that "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" but lets be realistic here. Guaranteed annual 6% raises, no matter whether you're a go-getter or a lazy shit-bird, is overly demanding. I maxed out my employee eval last year. You know how much I got? 3%. Others got less because they didn't work as hard. Don't like how much you're getting paid? Go work somewhere else. 3) Yeah. The .gov takes more off a gallon of gas than you, me, or the oil company. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then throw in the health risks associated with exposure to hydrogen sulfide and benzene by working at a refinery. I get this feeling that that eventually this thread will turn into "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" You do know who makes the most money off a gallon of gasoline right? 1) All of us at the refinery are exposed to benzene and H2S. Engineers, Operators, Janitors. 2) None of us are saying that "REFINERY WORKERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!" but lets be realistic here. Guaranteed annual 6% raises, no matter whether you're a go-getter or a lazy shit-bird, is overly demanding. I maxed out my employee eval last year. You know how much I got? 3%. Others got less because they didn't work as hard. Don't like how much you're getting paid? Go work somewhere else. 3) Yeah. The .gov takes more off a gallon of gas than you, me, or the oil company. You simply can't paint all unions with the same brush. People who lump all unions together are making a gross generalization. Just as all police officers aren't thugs, all lawyers aren't scumbags, all bankers aren't crooks, life just isn't that black and white. I belong to the AFGE local 2119, as a federal civilian employee I am not allowed to strike. This is more than fine with me, as to do so would put our customers, the men and women in the armed services, at risk. That is unacceptable, and should never be allowed. I make a good wage, have decent benefits, and a safe as possible work environment. In short I'm quite happy to be doing what I do. The last two years in a row Wage Grade employees at my facility received a 1% COLA increase. Would I prefer more, sure, but I'm not going to bitch about it, in the overall scheme of things, I'm pretty fortunate. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 6:10:44 PM EDT
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I ain't reading 6 pages. So my one question is does this strike mean gas prices will sky rocket?
If so, fuck the unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 6:55:51 PM EDT
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I ain't reading 6 pages. So my one question is does this strike mean gas prices will sky rocket? If so, fuck the unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sky rocket, no. Increase a little, maybe. Global demand is more of a driving force than anything else. But if you choose to blame it on the union workers in this country, have at it.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 7:07:17 PM EDT
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I ain't reading 6 pages. So my one question is does this strike mean gas prices will sky rocket? If so, fuck the unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHA. Well at least you will know the facts before jumping into some knee jerk reaction. 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 7:32:37 PM EDT
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My union is prohibited from striking  Same here. I hope they settle our contract soon so I can get a raise. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:29:46 PM EDT
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Same here. I hope they settle our contract soon so I can get a raise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My union is prohibited from striking Same here. I hope they settle our contract soon so I can get a raise. Didn't you retire? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:34:48 PM EDT
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My union is prohibited from striking Same here. I hope they settle our contract soon so I can get a raise. Didn't you retire? Last two years I worked we were without a contract. If we end up getting a raise for those years my pension payment goes up. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:40:08 PM EDT
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Good for your CEO
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We got fucked and our CEO got a new house in Tahoe and a 100% raise. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:44:16 PM EDT
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I ain't reading 6 pages. So my one question is does this strike mean gas prices will sky rocket? If so, fuck the unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what has, I think, the biggest impact on gasoline prices: West Texas Intermediate price chart Some of the refineries are getting what is called Western Canadian Select, which I think is mainly from the tar sands in Alberta Canada. You can see the prices of WTI and WCS plotted together here: http://economicdashboard.albertacanada.com/EnergyPrice I think WCS is running about 13 bucks cheaper than WTI. Somehow, whatever OPEC does affects WTI. And then the WTI price like sets the pace for everything else. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:51:05 PM EDT
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Last two years I worked we were without a contract. If we end up getting a raise for those years my pension payment goes up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My union is prohibited from striking Same here. I hope they settle our contract soon so I can get a raise. Didn't you retire? Last two years I worked we were without a contract. If we end up getting a raise for those years my pension payment goes up. That my friend is a sweet deal.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 8:53:42 PM EDT
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That my friend is a sweet deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last two years I worked we were without a contract. If we end up getting a raise for those years my pension payment goes up. That my friend is a sweet deal. I'm not complaining. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:02:35 PM EDT
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I cannot right now but I guarantee you, I could learn to do it and do it just as well. Your union membership doesn't make you special, just entitled.
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I belong to a union, and I can assure you that I and my fellow machinists are far from incompetent. I'll wager you couldn't do our job. Can you set up a six axis Mazak Integrex lathe, or mill? You realize that it is Union labor that manufactures the m119, m198, mk19, m1a1 and m1a2 weapon systems?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone has to protect the incompetent. I belong to a union, and I can assure you that I and my fellow machinists are far from incompetent. I'll wager you couldn't do our job. Can you set up a six axis Mazak Integrex lathe, or mill? You realize that it is Union labor that manufactures the m119, m198, mk19, m1a1 and m1a2 weapon systems? |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 9:09:08 PM EDT
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If you're asking, "Do you vote for democrats?", the answer is no. "Doing what's best for me", means just that. Look, someone was going to take that higher paying job, it might as well be me....or should I just bite the bullet and make 70% of what I make now with no benefits? My employer became a union shop under his own free-will, I had nothing to do with it. If you're trying to shame me here hoss, it's not working, nor will it ever work. This is my last reply, good day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:Words. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "don't vote the party line" and, more importantly "doing what's best for me". If you vote for politicians that favor unions, they are typically in a voting block that opposes owning the very thing the website you're posting on is named after. So, does "doing what's best for me" involve expanding your liberty or using politicians to empower unions to force employers to put more money in your wallet? These two things can rarely happen at the same time. If you're asking, "Do you vote for democrats?", the answer is no. "Doing what's best for me", means just that. Look, someone was going to take that higher paying job, it might as well be me....or should I just bite the bullet and make 70% of what I make now with no benefits? My employer became a union shop under his own free-will, I had nothing to do with it. If you're trying to shame me here hoss, it's not working, nor will it ever work. This is my last reply, good day. No, I wasn't trying to shame you. Just get you to clarify your words, because they were ambiguous. If you don't vote for Democrats, I don't care what you do with the rest of your time. Good day to you too. |
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