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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:01:06 PM EDT

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Christian conservatives win, children lose: Texas textbooks will teach public school students that the Founding Fathers based the Constitution on the Bible, and the American system of democracy was inspired by Moses.

On Friday the Republican-controlled Texas State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 to approve the biased and inaccurate textbooks. The vote signals a victory for Christian conservatives in Texas, and a disappointing defeat for historical accuracy and the education of innocent children.

The textbooks were written to align with instructional standards that the Board of Education approved back in 2010 with the explicit intention of forcing social studies teaching to adhere to a conservative Christian agenda. The standards require teachers to emphasize America’s so called “Christian heritage.”

In essence, Christian conservatives in Texas have successfully forced a false historical narrative into public school textbooks that portray Moses as an influence on the Constitution and the Old Testament as the root of democracy.

Critics called the whole process into question after publishers posted a number of last-minute changes to the textbooks yesterday, leaving board members and observers without time to figure out exactly what was in the approved texts.

According to reports, scholars did not have an opportunity to review and comment on the numerous changes publishers have submitted since the last public hearing. Some of those changes appeared to have been negotiated with state board members behind closed doors.

Texas Freedom Network President Kathy Miller issued the following statement:
“What we saw today shows very clearly that the process the State Board of Education uses to adopt textbooks is a sham. This board adopted textbooks with numerous late changes that the public had little opportunity to review and comment on and that even board members themselves admitted they had not read. They can’t honestly say they know what’s in these textbooks, which could be in classrooms for a decade.”

In addition to Miller’s complaints about the process, the Texas Freedom Network issued a statement on today’s State Board of Education vote to adopt new social studies textbooks for Texas public schools, noting:
the new textbooks also include passages that suggest Moses influenced the writing of the Constitution and that the roots of democracy can be found in the Old Testament. Scholars from across the country have said such claims are inaccurate and mislead students about the historical record.

Emile Lester, a professor of history in the Department of Political Science and International Affairs at the University of Mary Washington, claim the textbooks contain “inventions and exaggerations” about Christianity’s influence on the Founding Fathers and, by extension, the formation of American democracy.
Credible historians warn the misguided attempt to suggest biblical origins for the Constitution would lead students to believe that “Moses was the first American.”
Scholars claim the decision to include the biblical figure of Moses in social studies education is part of a concerted effort by Christian extremists to promote the idea that the United States is a “redeemer nation” – giving a divine justification for supposed American exceptionalism.

The proposed textbooks are deeply flawed, and have no place in a public school classroom. It is wrong and factually incorrect to teach Texas public school students that the Founding Fathers based the Constitution on the Bible.

Despite the efforts of Christian conservatives to pervert and twist U.S. history to satisfy their religious superstition, the fact remains Moses was not the first American, and America is not a Christian nation.
Children deserve the truth.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:08:50 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:10:09 PM EDT

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For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king

Judicial, legislative, executive. There may have been some biblical inspiration?

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:10:36 PM EDT

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Much like liberalism, irrational Christian zealotry is a mental illness.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:12:35 PM EDT

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What do they suppose our laws and beliefs were based on back then?

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Flying Spaghetti Monster? 10 commandments, 10 amendments to the BoR? No coincidence, enumeration is key.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:15:15 PM EDT

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who were these atheists or progressive communists that fought in the American revolution?

without the church in America we would still be a british colony, it's the modern atheist that have changed American history

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:15:49 PM EDT

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"Innocent children" the cornerstone of liberal butthurt

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:16:16 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:16:27 PM EDT

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Your thread title is false.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:17:15 PM EDT

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Patheos is a secular humanist website with an agenda. That is not what Texas did. Texas reinforced the common knowledge that western laws come from 2 historical documents; The code of Hammurabi and the 10 commandments. Moses brought the 10 down from the mountain. Stop reading bullshit websites.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:18:49 PM EDT

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As much as I love Texas, our textbook approval system has been a joke for decades.

And yes, blame the Baptists.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:20:27 PM EDT

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Emile Lester, a professor of history in the Department of Political Science and International Affairs at the University of Mary Washington, claim the textbooks contain “inventions and exaggerations” about Christianity’s influence on the Founding Fathers and, by extension, the formation of American democracy.
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Yeah, only if you're an abject fucking idiot which liberals assume their students are

The textbook says nothing of the sort: A bunch of SJW types made wildly inaccurate suppositions and then got outraged at their own derp.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:21:03 PM EDT

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Here is the deal...

The Texas textbooks do **NOT** list Moses as a "Founding Father.'

He is listed as "influencing" the founding fathers, among other influential advocates of democracy...

Moses, and the 10 commandments, are a valid "influence" of the US Constitution and the Founding Fathers... The problem, from and academic standpoint, is that the Founding Fathers referenced many other thinkers and books of the time, but not necessarily Moses. The Bible, yes. Moses specifically, among other books and influencers with heavy references from the Founding Fathers... No.

And that is the problem for academics. They want to see the *academic* reference to Moses specifically.

I think the Texas textbook committee should have listed the Bible, and along with it, Moses... And that would have kept the academics happy.

The problem... Liberal douche nozzles want to paint all conservatives with a broad, broad brush...

But they do the exact same thing, just the opposite when they are on textbook committees. They would remove all reference to the Bible and the Founding Fathers from any textbooks...

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:21:06 PM EDT

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Biblical Roots of the Declaration of Independence

America’s Founders studied the Bible. Evidence is plentiful that political speeches and sermons of their day were filled with stories, examples, and quotes from the Bible which supported and affirmed their political beliefs. Given below are the main paragraphs from the Declaration of Independence followed by Biblical scripture which coincide with the emphasized ideas in the document. It is hoped that today’s Americans will familiarize themselves with the full Biblical accounts referred to below, to get a feel for what beliefs motivated the Founders to create the first free people in modern times.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

Deuteronomy 32:8 - When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Ezra 6:21 - And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Romans 2:14 – 16 - For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Psalm 19:7 - The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Psalms 19:1 THE heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Leviticus 24:22 - Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

Romans 2:11 - For there is no respect of persons with God.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 20:15 - Thou shalt not steal.

Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Psalms 128:2 - For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.

Ecclesiastes 3:13 - And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

Leviticus 25:10 - And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

In John Wycliffe’s first English Bible (1384), the General Prologue states this purpose:

"This Bible is for the Government of the People, by the People, and for the People.”

Exodus 19:7 – 8 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Deuteronomy 16:18 – 19 - Judges and officers shalt thou make thee in all thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, throughout thy tribes: and they shall judge the people with just judgment. Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.

Galatians 5:1- STAND fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Isaiah 9:6 – 7 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Leviticus 25:10 - And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Psalms 133:1 - Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Jeremiah 34:15 – 17 - And ye were now turned, and had done right in my sight, in proclaiming liberty every man to his neighbour; and ye had made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name: But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom ye had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and for handmaids. Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Philippians 2:2-4 - Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

Matthew 22:20 – 21 - And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Cæsar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Titus 3:1 – 2 - PUT them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government….”

Isaiah 61:1 – 3 - THE Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

"…We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

Deuteronomy 3:2 – 3 - And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

Judges 7:7 – 9 - And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place. So the people took victuals in their hand, and their trumpets: and he sent all the rest of Israel every man unto his tent, and retained those three hundred men: and the host of Midian was beneath him in the valley. And it came to pass the same night, that the LORD said unto him, Arise, get thee down unto the host; for I have delivered it into thine hand.

2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

2 Chronicles 32:20 – 22 - And for this cause Hezekiah the king, and the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz, prayed and cried to heaven. And the LORD sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valour, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he was come into the house of his god, they that came forth of his own bowels slew him there with the sword. Thus the LORD saved Hezekiah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib the king of Assyria, and from the hand of all other, and guided them on every side.

It is understandable, then, why John Adam felt that:

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:22:03 PM EDT

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The country was founded on Christian values. Get over it. Atheism had nothing to do with it.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:23:46 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:24:41 PM EDT

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It is 100% false.

And it is straight from the liberal slant.

He is listed as an "influencer" of the Founding Fathers in Texas approved curriculum.

Not as a "Founding Father."

Liberal slant is obvious.

I think that Texas should include the "Bible" and Moses, not necessarily Moses on his own. I think that would be easier to reference correctly for academics who are questioning it.

It is not difficult at all to find references to the Bible as and influencer of the Founding Fathers...

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:24:45 PM EDT

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This article is high in sensationalism

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:26:04 PM EDT

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Pastors and Government

Pastors were directly responsible for the republican form of government enjoyed in America today. The Rev. Thomas Hooker, who established Connecticut in 1636, preached a history-making sermon from Deuteronomy 1:13 and Exodus 18:21 about the biblical basis of government. He explained that:

"The choice of public magistrates belongs unto the people by God’s own allowance”; "The privilege of election ... belongs to the people”; "They who have power to appoint officers and magistrates [that is, ‘the people’], it is in their power also to set the bounds and limitations of the power and place.”

Hooker’s sermon resulted in "Fundamental Orders of Connecticut”—America’s first written constitution and the direct antecedent of the federal Constitution.

The Pilgrims, following the teaching of their pastor John Robinson, organized a representative government with annual elections and enacted America’s first citizens’ bill of rights. Similar leadership by Christian ministers in other colonies produced the same practices. As Daniel Webster—known as the "Defender of the Constitution”—affirmed: "To the free and universal reading of the Bible in that age men were much indebted for right views of civil liberty.”

Pastors and Education

Pastors originated America’s system of education at both the lower and secondary levels. Academic institutions known worldwide today were established by America’s clergy.

Puritan minister John Harvard founded Harvard University; a group of 10 Congregational ministers founded Yale University; Presbyterian minister William Tennent’s Log College was the predecessor of Princeton University; Episcopal minister John Blair founded The College of William and Mary; and numerous other examples could be included.

In 1860, some 91 percent of all college presidents were ministers, as were more than a third of all university faculty members. As late as 1884, the majority of America’s 370 colleges—83 percent—still remained denominationally affiliated.

Pastors and Civil Liberties

Pastors introduced freedoms and opportunities in America not available even in the mother country of Great Britain. It is not surprising, then, that they stood at the forefront to resist encroachments on the civil and religious rights they had helped establish.

When crown-appointed Gov. Edmund Andros tried to seize the charters of Rhode Island, Connecticut and Massachusetts and revoke their representative governments, opposition was led by the Revs. Samuel Willard, Increase Mather and John Wise. Quaker minister William Edmundson and the Rev. Thomas Harrison led the opposition when Gov. William Berkeley refused to recognize Virginia’s self-government, and the Rev. Samuel Cooper did the same when Gov. Thomas Hutchinson ignored the elected Massachusetts legislature.

A similar pattern of resistance followed when Gov. William Burnet dissolved the New Hampshire legislature, when Lord Botetourt of Virginia disbanded the Virginia House of Burgesses, when Gov. James Wright disbanded the Georgia Assembly and so on.

Pastors and the American Revolution

As the American Revolution approached, pastors remained on the front lines. In fact, at the vanguard of the opposition to the 1765 Stamp Act—which was an early harbinger of the rupture between the two nations that was soon to follow—were the Revs. Andrew Eliot, Charles Chauncey, Samuel Cooper, Jonathan Mayhew and George Whitefield.

Five years later, in 1770, ministers again stepped to the forefront, boldly denouncing the British abuse of power in the famous Boston Massacre. In fact, the Massachusetts House of Representatives even ordered that the Rev. Samuel Cooke’s sermon on the subject be printed and distributed.

As the imminent separation from Great Britain drew nearer, John Adams gratefully acknowledged that the "the pulpits have thundered.” He specifically identified ministers such as Cooper and Mayhew as being among the "characters ... most conspicuous, the most ardent, and influential” in "an awakening and a revival of American principles and feelings” that eventually led to American independence.

But pastors did not just infuse these "principles and feelings” that led to independence; they also entered the battlefield to secure them.

The courageous townsmen in the Battle of Lexington were from the congregation of the Rev. Jonas Clark, whose ringing of the church bell had first assembled them to meet British attackers. Early historian Daniel Dorchester reports that this pattern was common through the Revolution:

"Of Rev. John Craighead it is said that ‘he fought and preached alternately.’ Rev. Dr. Cooper was captain of a military company. Rev. John Blair Smith, president of Hampden-Sidney College, was captain of a company that rallied to support the retreating Americans after the battle of Cowpens.

"Rev. James Hall commanded a company that armed against Cornwallis. Rev. William Graham rallied his own neighbors to dispute the passage of Rockfish Gap with Tarleton and his British dragoons.”

So prominent were Christian clergy in the struggle that the British dubbed them the "Black Regiment” because of the black clerical robes they wore. Historian J.T. Headley reports that due to ministers’ courageous and influential leadership "there was a class of clergymen and chaplains in the Revolution whom the British, when they once laid hands on them, treated with the most barbarous severity.”

The British not only imprisoned, abused or killed many pastors but also targeted their churches for reprisal. They destroyed 10 of the 19 church buildings in New York City, most of the churches across Virginia, and more.

- See more at: http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/features/18128-they-changed-a-nation#sthash.mw28VPBU.dpuf

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:26:36 PM EDT

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...I thought they were actually teaching that Moses was a founding father.

The nation WAS built on Christian values, and anyone who argues this is a doltish blockhead.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:27:08 PM EDT

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"Innocent children" the cornerstone of liberal butthurt

That's right!

We have interests to attend to here!

Fuck the children!! Yeah!!

Did you read the article? It's full of liberal butthurt masked by concern for "innocent children".

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:28:56 PM EDT

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/11/texas-approves-textbooks-with-moses-as-founding-father/

Learn what those words mean OP

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:30:28 PM EDT

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disappointing defeat for historical accuracy and the education of innocent children

"Innocent children" the cornerstone of liberal butthurt

That's right!

We have interests to attend to here!

Fuck the children!! Yeah!!

Did you read the article? It's full of liberal butthurt masked by concern for "innocent children".

No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

Textbooks in Texas, like many things, is all about special interests groups and LOTS of money.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:31:00 PM EDT

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Well...

The curriculum committee does need some work.

And one of the issues is that Texas is a bigger state population-wise... And we only hear about the changes that Texas committes make because of the right-wing slant.

The liberals make their own changes in New York and California that would make the paint melt off the walls..

The last big deal in Texas was the refusal to list *slavery* as a cause of the Civil War in Texas curriculum...

That was kind of retarded... Considering that the Texas Legislature wrote that Slavery was *the* cause of the Civil War in their Declaration: Link

Yes, I would say that Texas needs to ensure that what they say is history, is backed-up by what actually happened.

The Bible itself was a heavy, heavy influence of the Founding Fathers. There is no valid argument against that...

The curriculum is inaccurate if it does not list the Bible as an influencer...

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:31:15 PM EDT

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liberals have screwed American education with false doctrines

http://www.christianheritagemins.org/articles/Preachers%20and%20Pulpits%20of%20the%20American%20Revolution.pdf

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:31:19 PM EDT

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Game, set, match.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:32:17 PM EDT

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Praise Jeebus!

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No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

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No one is talking about stacking kids like cardboard. What is pointed out is how the liberals/progressives use peoples concern for children to push their agenda or squash things they dont like.

Posted: 11/23/2014 4:38:15 PM EDT

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Oh look its a thread that will be filled with a whole bunch of butthurt people that believe everything spawned from nothing and then that caused evolution. Should be exciting.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:28:15 PM EDT

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No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

Textbooks in Texas, like many things, is all about special interests groups and LOTS of money.

No one is talking about stacking kids like cardboard. What is pointed out is how the liberals/progressives use peoples concern for children to push their agenda or squash things they dont like.

This is different from Texas Republicans... how?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:29:38 PM EDT

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No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

Textbooks in Texas, like many things, is all about special interests groups and LOTS of money.

No one is talking about stacking kids like cardboard. What is pointed out is how the liberals/progressives use peoples concern for children to push their agenda or squash things they dont like.

This is different from Texas Republicans... how?

To answer your retarded question Texas Republicans do not support abortion and Liberals do. I could expound but I'll not waste my time.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:30:34 PM EDT

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OP, you planning to change that thread title now that it's been repeatedly demonstrated to be utter bullshit

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:31:25 PM EDT

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How's the church SWAT team coming along?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:32:55 PM EDT

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Can I get a statue or something?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:34:50 PM EDT

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Oh look its a thread that will be filled with a whole bunch of butthurt people that believe everything spawned from nothing and then that caused evolution. Should be exciting.

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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:35:11 PM EDT

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How's the church SWAT team coming along?

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who were these atheists or progressive communists that fought in the American revolution?

without the church in America we would still be a british colony, it's the modern atheist that have changed American history

How's the church SWAT team coming along?

Wait, wut?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:35:25 PM EDT

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this thread is bad and op should feel bad.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:35:32 PM EDT

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To answer your retarded question Texas Republicans do not support abortion and Liberals do. I could expound but I'll not waste my time.

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No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

Textbooks in Texas, like many things, is all about special interests groups and LOTS of money.

No one is talking about stacking kids like cardboard. What is pointed out is how the liberals/progressives use peoples concern for children to push their agenda or squash things they dont like.

This is different from Texas Republicans... how?

To answer your retarded question Texas Republicans do not support abortion and Liberals do. I could expound but I'll not waste my time.

But didn't Texas Republicans pass a bill, signed by Republican governor Perry providing for lawful abortion standards?

Standards that were not "none allowed"?

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:35:59 PM EDT

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No way the website linked to could be biased?

Also, change your title OP to something correct.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:36:48 PM EDT

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Texas wins again.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:37:13 PM EDT

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What do they suppose our laws and beliefs were based on back then?

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Well..Marx was not alive back then, so that's not an option ( as much as they would love that )

And I fail to see the problem of the founding fathers being influenced by the bible ( and I am agnostic )

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:37:31 PM EDT

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Wait, wut?

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who were these atheists or progressive communists that fought in the American revolution?

without the church in America we would still be a british colony, it's the modern atheist that have changed American history

How's the church SWAT team coming along?

Wait, wut?

It was funny stuff.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1647401_Church_Security__with_the_upswing_in_violence_against_Christians_in_America_have_you_changed_your___.html

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:38:19 PM EDT

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OP, you planning to change that thread title now that it's been repeatedly demonstrated to be utter bullshit

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That was his entire intent.

He knew it was false when he posted it.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:38:59 PM EDT

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But didn't Texas Republicans pass a bill, signed by Republican governor Perry providing for lawful abortion standards?

Standards that were not "none allowed"?

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No, my response is towards those arfcommers who would stack children like cordwood to prove their conservative street cred.

Textbooks in Texas, like many things, is all about special interests groups and LOTS of money.

No one is talking about stacking kids like cardboard. What is pointed out is how the liberals/progressives use peoples concern for children to push their agenda or squash things they dont like.

This is different from Texas Republicans... how?

To answer your retarded question Texas Republicans do not support abortion and Liberals do. I could expound but I'll not waste my time.

But didn't Texas Republicans pass a bill, signed by Republican governor Perry providing for lawful abortion standards?

Standards that were not "none allowed"?

Your argument has devolved into semantics. They passed a law they thought was as strict as it could be and still pass judicial review. Guess what, it didn't.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:44:31 PM EDT

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They shouldn't have derped before the herped.

Posted: 11/23/2014 5:52:10 PM EDT

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It was funny stuff.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1647401_Church_Security__with_the_upswing_in_violence_against_Christians_in_America_have_you_changed_your___.html

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who were these atheists or progressive communists that fought in the American revolution?

without the church in America we would still be a british colony, it's the modern atheist that have changed American history

How's the church SWAT team coming along?

Wait, wut?

It was funny stuff.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1647401_Church_Security__with_the_upswing_in_violence_against_Christians_in_America_have_you_changed_your___.html

That thread is gold.