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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:33:43 AM EDT
[#1]
don't go to church? Problem solved
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:36:50 AM EDT
[#2]
We have security. We have controlled access to the building.
We have CHL holders who carry in church. ETA: this is small town church of 250 or so regular attendees |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:37:31 AM EDT
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My fiancee's church is good with concealed carry. It's a little country church, so church swat team is a bit too much.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:37:36 AM EDT
[#4]
swat team
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:38:27 AM EDT
[#5]
Our pastor has no problem with CCW, so we are good to go
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:38:54 AM EDT
[#6]
The congregation
But our church has a very small (3 man) "security" team. But the church I attend also has more than enough " types"in the seats to handle a situation if it should arise. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:39:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:40:29 AM EDT
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? what the everloving fuck 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:40:43 AM EDT
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MRAPs and controlled access points. You must name all 12 apostles or risk the inquisition.
I just carry and sit near the door. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:41:20 AM EDT
[#10]
lol
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:43:57 AM EDT
[#11]
Training for the day the IRS comes after their tax exempt status?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:44:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: swat team lol |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:47:18 AM EDT
[#13]
If a church entity houses illegals the feds provide security.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:48:06 AM EDT
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don't go to church? Problem solved +1 |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:49:20 AM EDT
[#15]
Controlled access to a church. I've heard it all, folks.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:49:58 AM EDT
[#16]
Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:58:43 AM EDT
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I tagged along with Jeffress on a recent Sunday. Sundays still make the pastor giddy. He’s out the door and into his black Mercury Grand Marquis by 7:45 am. When he arrived at the parking garage across from the church, there were two broad-chested security guards waiting for him. At least one of these men would be within feet of Jeffress for the rest of the day. The church isn’t worried about liberals with guns so much, he says, but there are just so many crazy people out there. “Of course,” Jeffress says with a smile, “so many of our members are packing, if anyone ever did try something, it’d be like the shootout at the OK Corral.” Dr. Jeffress of First Baptist Dallas |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 5:59:56 AM EDT
[#18]
I still carry no matter what
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:00:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:01:59 AM EDT
[#20]
Pretty sure my church is not a gun free zone.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:03:58 AM EDT
[#21]
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most of the time it someone that is butt hurt against churches, or upset that someone is going to church. at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:05:58 AM EDT
[#22]
Isn't church CCW still against the law in Texas?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:06:02 AM EDT
[#23]
I know my church has a security team. All of them are off duty cops that are members offering their time for free. Monster congregation, probably close to 500 per service, twice every sunday. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:08:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:08:36 AM EDT
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No, mine doesn't have security. I know my church has a few gun owners(or people I wouldn't be surprised if they did own guns.) If I had my CCL(long story) I'd just go with the "concealed means concealed" method. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? Uh, their church, their rules? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:09:53 AM EDT
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I go to a fairly large church, there are 4 off duty uniformed LEO's that stay in the common areas. It just so happens that almost everyone who works there is K9 or SWAT. I imagine of the churches in the area we are pretty secure, that being said I dont feel my church is a target nor am I on any elevated alert when I go there as opposed to any other crowded area
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:09:59 AM EDT
[#27]
My church isn't a gun free zone either. We have ushers that are "aware". We have an evacuation plan and access to Sunday School is limited. But a SWAT Team? No. There are places much worse to die in than church. We're "just passing through" anyway. Life is only part of the journey.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:10:56 AM EDT
[#28]
My church normally meets in a high school. It would be illegal for me to carry there. Don't be silly.
We've been meeting at a local community college for the past couple of months. During that time, I've had my P-32 in my pocket. It's "against the rules" to carry on college grounds, but it's not illegal. When I attended a church that didn't meet in government buildings, I carried a BHP in a Crossbreed clone. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:11:34 AM EDT
[#29]
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You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? Are you seriously asking this question? Jesus told us He is THE way. Not A way. Islam is not what He was speaking about. Can you say, "Blasphemy"? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:11:51 AM EDT
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If he's disrupting the service, then members of a congregation have every right to have him removed. Personally, I would have liked to spent a little time with the guy to find out what he thought he was trying to do. A few years ago, there was a local doctor who committed Medicaid fraud. Our pastor sat on the board of the local hospital at the time(or was on some such committee.) This doctor had such a vendetta against our pastor that she'd come to our contemporary services(at the time) and pray out loud for things to happen to our Pastor. Thankfully, the worship leader(not our pastor) would cut her off with a loud "Lord, hear our prayers!" She quit coming but it came very close to cops being called. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:12:01 AM EDT
[#31]
The premise of increasing violence against Christian churches in the USA is not believable. Where is the proof?
I am not referring to Christian churches in ISIS held Iraq. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:12:50 AM EDT
[#32]
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? Do they duct tape plates to their chest? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:15:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Small rural church in my case. No formal plan/team. The majority of the adults in the congregation CCW all the time anyway, FWIW. Never had an issue of any kind, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen this Sunday.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:15:28 AM EDT
[#34]
I'm not to worried about it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:20:38 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't church CCW still against the law in Texas? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:21:03 AM EDT
[#36]
"upswing in violence against Christians"???
Did ISIS make it to America? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:21:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they duct tape plates to their chest? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? Do they duct tape plates to their chest? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:22:16 AM EDT
[#38]
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The premise of increasing violence against Christian churches in the USA is not believable. Where is the proof? I am not referring to Christian churches in ISIS held Iraq. I don't know about increasing violence, but I remember several stories of shootings at churches. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:24:13 AM EDT
[#39]
My church added a security team comprised of mostly current and former LEOs/Military. Have to take an extra 8 hours of annual training to carry, but it is worth it.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:26:21 AM EDT
[#40]
God tells me to serve the church and since I know a majority of folks are completely unaware or too disengaged to care so I look at it as a way for me to contribute by carrying a 9mm and spare mags, sitting towards the entry doors and keeping my eyes open.
Others may see it differently. But that's the way I see it. I'm not sporting a badge or advertising or "tending the flock" I'm just aware it's a possibility and react accordingly. I know of at least two others that do the same. Plus my wife and two small children are there, so ya know there's that. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:27:16 AM EDT
[#41]
I carry while I preach!
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:28:29 AM EDT
[#42]
I'm the audio tech at our church. The sound booth is elevated so its like a turret.
My G21SF is in there with me every Sunday. I should bring an AR Pistol inside a ukelele case. A Glock for the Flock... |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:29:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church?  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:29:43 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I carry while I preach! Some of the very best preachers I know do likewise.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:29:43 AM EDT
[#45]
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? what upswing in violence? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:30:16 AM EDT
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I am hoping to get some feed back on plans and emergency medical plans too.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:30:38 AM EDT
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Isn't it usually someone from within the congregation that loses it? at one church we had a young muslim man come in and set his prayer rug down in the aisle and started praying. he found out that the church had several LEOs in attendance You had LEOs make him leave for praying? In a church?
Isaac and Ishmael oil and water...get it? |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:31:18 AM EDT
[#48]
FPNI
Easy peasy
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:33:04 AM EDT
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Controlled access to a church. I've heard it all, folks. Controlled access isn't "show your ID card to enter". Controlled access is making sure that certain doors are open and others are locked where ushers, deacons, and security personnel and easily identify those coming and going. This ensures you don't have people trying to get in unnoticed to do harm to the church, either by theft, violence, or child related scenarios. It also entails making sure children's areas are highly observed and have controled entry so that someone can't take advantage of the generally open nature of church to abduct or sexually harm someone's child while in the care of the church. This also includes log books and sign-in/-out procedures to ensure that children are being picked up only by the person they were brought there by. This keeps the scenario of a disgruntled former spouse/partner, family member, or crazy person from abducting your child while in our care. Schools do this and so should churches. We also do in-depth background checks of children's workers. My church also has a school, and because of these same issues there are entry/exit controls and video monitoring in place. You can scoff at the notion of controlled access to a church, but unforunately there are some (most being children) that have learned these lessons the hard way. We welcome anyone into our church, but we also have the obligation to protect the members and visitors from those who would take the open door policy as an invitation of an easy target. When you have a battered woman and her children attending and trying to get help, you as a church have the responsibility to make sure her violent ex-boyfriend can't slip in a back door and take his kid and/or shoot her. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:33:45 AM EDT
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plans? do you have a plan? I know some larger churches have full time organized security, one local church even has a swat team that cross trains with the local PD, but what are your plans? I have a plan. the same plan I have for an active shooter anywhere else in my life. |
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