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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:16:43 PM EDT
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Now I realize I'm new here, but so far I believe this takes the prize for the most unintelligent thing I've read. uh-huh. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:17:28 PM EDT
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Gotta love the athiests I work with. I find it funny, how when gambling they are praying to a higher power for that ultimate winning card hand, or that winning roll of the dice, or the placement of that ball on the spinning roulette wheel. I find it funny that Christians do these things, as if God gives a shit. Two football teams each praying before a game that God helps them win, while thousands die around the world. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:19:13 PM EDT
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Now I realize I'm new here, but so far I believe this takes the prize for the most unintelligent thing I've read. uh-huh. Doesn't make the second part less true |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:39:57 PM EDT
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And they would be wrong. A positive, hopeful and combative attitude really improves ones odds at surviving such a dire health issue. Be it ebola, cancer, whatever. And if prayer gets you there then prayer definately helped you recover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tough sh*t for them then. She believed and it worked for her. That's all that counts. Modern medicine worked for her. Many people doubt that her faith or prayers had much to do with her surviving. And they would be wrong. A positive, hopeful and combative attitude really improves ones odds at surviving such a dire health issue. Be it ebola, cancer, whatever. And if prayer gets you there then prayer definately helped you recover. It is the positive attitude; not the prayer. A prayer or religious believe can bring a person joy and help, but so can just about anything. Including things which we would define as deviant behavior. But the prayer itself doesn't do anything. A person with a negative outlook who prays constantly will not experience the effect. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:43:30 PM EDT
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I think we can all agree that people who criticize this nurse for speaking about her prayers are assholes.
Atheist or believer, just don't be an asshole. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:44:01 PM EDT
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"Atheists seethe"...
Whatever. I'm sure the average atheist in America doesn't give a crap either way about what the hookah smoking Ebola nurse did, but some people love to stir the pot and others love to eat it up. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:44:02 PM EDT
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No. It's just my opinion. Anyone that has a FIRM belief that there is no higher power (AKA God)....Is a retard in my opinion. Is that reasonable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Some are, just as some religious people are. Paint witha broad brush much? No. It's just my opinion. Anyone that has a FIRM belief that there is no higher power (AKA God)....Is a retard in my opinion. Is that reasonable? Not really, no more reasonable then me saying "Anyone that has a FIRM belief that there is a higher power (AKA God)....Is a retard in my opinion." I am an atheist, I don't believe there is a God, but I sure the fuck don't think those that do are retarded. In fact, I actually think those that have faith may be better off then those that don't (well most of them anyway, you are coming across as more a zealot). |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:46:03 PM EDT
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Came in here to read the Atheist butt-hurt.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:48:39 PM EDT
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Watch the Frontline story on Ebola in Sierra Leone. Those folks were praying their asses off. Yeah. That is the question being begged here. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:50:43 PM EDT
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Came in here to read the Atheist butt-hurt. Why would we be butt hurt? People can believe whatever they want...even if it's incorrect. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:51:30 PM EDT
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Came in here to read the Atheist butt-hurt. Didn't find any, did ya 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:54:04 PM EDT
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As far as I know, Atheism has had a MUCH more peaceful history than Christianity. http://i61.tinypic.com/2s8ihxs.jpg http://102cherrywu.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/8/1/17811369/7470286_orig.jpg Haha, oh yeah 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 4:58:00 PM EDT
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Atheists are fucking retards.... Is that why you needed your church swat team? 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:02:08 PM EDT
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I think we can all agree that people who criticize this nurse for speaking about her prayers are assholes. Atheist or believer, just don't be an asshole. Best post of the thread. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:04:30 PM EDT
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What an atheist feels regarding the what the nurse credits for her recovery is of no consequence to any of us, just as long as the faithful do not rely on their faith and the power of prayer instead of the scientifically proven protocols in place to keep the rest of us safe from contamination and instead rely on their version of faith.
This is more of the propaganda media's ongoing effort to sow division everywhere they can in our nation in order to weaken it further making it easier for their masters to destroy it. Does your daddy know you carry an oligarchy's water for them? Wake up. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:09:14 PM EDT
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That may be the single stupidest, most retarded thing ever said in GD, and we have had some stupid fuckers around here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Atheists are fucking retards.... That may be the single stupidest, most retarded thing ever said in GD, and we have had some stupid fuckers around here. He's good for that. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:13:43 PM EDT
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Came in here to read the Atheist butt-hurt. I came here to laugh, which I did. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:15:23 PM EDT
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This thread reminds me of the time I saw a turkey with a broken wing get attacked by the other turkeys in the flock because it was different. Humans aren't so different. Live and let live. Respect those with different beliefs.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:30:30 PM EDT
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They don't seem to go after Islam very often. Wonder why. Are you serious? Richard Dawkins: “They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying ‘Islamophobia’ at anyone who objects.” “I said that Islam is evil. I did NOT say Muslims are evil. Indeed, most of the victims of Islam are Muslims. Especially female ones.” Christopher Hitchens: “Demands that you believe the impossible do not lead to peaceful outcomes.” "If these books were the word of God, particularly with respect to Islam, they must have come when God was having a bad day." "Unfortunately, even in our free society, we are becoming less free because there now exists a legitimate fear of reprisals from offended Muslims." Bill Maher: "Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens." " But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. They do. First of all they say it. They shout it." Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. " "Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam." |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:42:02 PM EDT
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Modern medicine worked for her. Many people doubt that her faith or prayers had much to do with her surviving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tough sh*t for them then. She believed and it worked for her. That's all that counts. Modern medicine worked for her. Many people doubt that her faith or prayers had much to do with her surviving. Many people believe that modern doctors and medicine are tools God uses for His purposes. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:43:01 PM EDT
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I think it's stupid for anyone to hate on her for it. I've always wondered though, why do people always praise God when they get over an illness / injury / someone they care about survives; but we never hear of anyone cursing him when he doesn't come through? Is it that "God works in mysterious ways" thing? I'm sure a lot of those Africans that died from it also prayed very hard to God. Why weren't they saved? Lots of people curse God when He "doesn't come through." Lots and lots. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:44:03 PM EDT
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Are you serious? Richard Dawkins: “They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying ‘Islamophobia’ at anyone who objects.” “I said that Islam is evil. I did NOT say Muslims are evil. Indeed, most of the victims of Islam are Muslims. Especially female ones.” Christopher Hitchens: “Demands that you believe the impossible do not lead to peaceful outcomes.” "If these books were the word of God, particularly with respect to Islam, they must have come when God was having a bad day." "Unfortunately, even in our free society, we are becoming less free because there now exists a legitimate fear of reprisals from offended Muslims." Bill Maher: "Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens." " But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. They do. First of all they say it. They shout it." Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. " "Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't seem to go after Islam very often. Wonder why. Are you serious? Richard Dawkins: “They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying ‘Islamophobia’ at anyone who objects.” “I said that Islam is evil. I did NOT say Muslims are evil. Indeed, most of the victims of Islam are Muslims. Especially female ones.” Christopher Hitchens: “Demands that you believe the impossible do not lead to peaceful outcomes.” "If these books were the word of God, particularly with respect to Islam, they must have come when God was having a bad day." "Unfortunately, even in our free society, we are becoming less free because there now exists a legitimate fear of reprisals from offended Muslims." Bill Maher: "Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens." " But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. They do. First of all they say it. They shout it." Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. " "Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam." Sometimes.....occasionally.... Every once in a blue moon...... Ole bill maher hits the nail right on the head. Or maybe his guest does... I dunno 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:47:38 PM EDT
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The Spanish inquisition killed like 2000 people. The Mayan civilization ended itself, the Spanish conquered some shadow remnants of that once great civilization. Maybe you meant they Aztecs? They were monsters that ate people, all the other tribes in the area joined the Conquistadors in stopping their evil. Africa is always Africa. Where was God? God was with Cortes, saving 100,000 individuals from being eaten in a single festival. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you even Spanish inquisition, bro. 
End game of mayan civilization, bro? African expansionism, bro? All Christians, all. Don't deny it. Where was this all knowing, all powerful and benevolent God now (then), bro? Does he just give the ruthless conquering Christians a pass, bro? The Spanish inquisition killed like 2000 people. The Mayan civilization ended itself, the Spanish conquered some shadow remnants of that once great civilization. Maybe you meant they Aztecs? They were monsters that ate people, all the other tribes in the area joined the Conquistadors in stopping their evil. Africa is always Africa. Where was God? God was with Cortes, saving 100,000 individuals from being eaten in a single festival. +1 The one I love is the Goa Inquisition which averaged like 2 people executed a year in a country which now sees widespread Islamic terrorism, rampant sex selection abortion and predatory gang rape as part of its daily life. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:49:31 PM EDT
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Anyone who's been around a while has seen people who were struggling to stay alive, give up and then die. Positive thinking plays a major role in people's revovery from injury and illness. "Will to live" and all that... Prayer is another form of this, and can help a person get through difficulties (without any sort of Divine intervention). Even Aquinas acknowledged this value of prayer, the value of focusing the mind and fortifying the will. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:03:16 PM EDT
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Even Aquinas acknowledged this value of prayer, the value of focusing the mind and fortifying the will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who's been around a while has seen people who were struggling to stay alive, give up and then die. Positive thinking plays a major role in people's revovery from injury and illness. "Will to live" and all that... Prayer is another form of this, and can help a person get through difficulties (without any sort of Divine intervention). Even Aquinas acknowledged this value of prayer, the value of focusing the mind and fortifying the will. Which meditation and mental training will do better, without any need the for the unresponsive partner. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:04:27 PM EDT
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Are you serious? Richard Dawkins: “They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying ‘Islamophobia’ at anyone who objects.” “I said that Islam is evil. I did NOT say Muslims are evil. Indeed, most of the victims of Islam are Muslims. Especially female ones.” Christopher Hitchens: “Demands that you believe the impossible do not lead to peaceful outcomes.” "If these books were the word of God, particularly with respect to Islam, they must have come when God was having a bad day." "Unfortunately, even in our free society, we are becoming less free because there now exists a legitimate fear of reprisals from offended Muslims." Bill Maher: "Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens." " But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. They do. First of all they say it. They shout it." Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. " "Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't seem to go after Islam very often. Wonder why. Are you serious? Richard Dawkins: “They are certainly stupid, but they know exactly what Islam is. Islam is the religion that wins arguments by killing its opponents and crying ‘Islamophobia’ at anyone who objects.” “I said that Islam is evil. I did NOT say Muslims are evil. Indeed, most of the victims of Islam are Muslims. Especially female ones.” Christopher Hitchens: “Demands that you believe the impossible do not lead to peaceful outcomes.” "If these books were the word of God, particularly with respect to Islam, they must have come when God was having a bad day." "Unfortunately, even in our free society, we are becoming less free because there now exists a legitimate fear of reprisals from offended Muslims." Bill Maher: "Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens." " But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. They do. First of all they say it. They shout it." Sam Harris: "It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. " "Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam." |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:06:34 PM EDT
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Atheists are fucking retards.... 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:09:18 PM EDT
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shit has not been stirred enough in this thread since it still has not been locked
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:11:33 PM EDT
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I bet a lot of atheists would be praying if they were facing death from Ebola.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol What?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Atheists are fucking retards.... Lol What? Both like to destroy any religious influence that they disagree with.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryExactly. The anti-theists annoy me just as much as the dickheads that knock on my door asking me if I have time to talk about my their faith. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:14:24 PM EDT
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I bet a lot of atheists would be praying if they were facing death from Ebola. They'd be type, type, typing away at their keyboards, trying their best to make one more post of shrill, insipid and derivative drivel before they shuffle off the mortal coil. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:18:03 PM EDT
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I bet a lot of atheists would be praying if they were facing death from Ebola. People tend to grasp at straws when facing death. Hence, religion. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:19:46 PM EDT
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I bet a lot of atheists would be praying if they were facing death from Ebola. Nah. I know you would like to believe that, and it makes you puff out your chest and all that, but nah. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:20:28 PM EDT
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Which meditation and mental training will do better, without any need the for the unresponsive partner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone who's been around a while has seen people who were struggling to stay alive, give up and then die. Positive thinking plays a major role in people's revovery from injury and illness. "Will to live" and all that... Prayer is another form of this, and can help a person get through difficulties (without any sort of Divine intervention). Even Aquinas acknowledged this value of prayer, the value of focusing the mind and fortifying the will. Which meditation and mental training will do better, without any need the for the unresponsive partner. How do you know this ? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:24:48 PM EDT
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I find it funny that Christians do these things, as if God gives a shit. Two football teams each praying before a game that God helps them win, while thousands die around the world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gotta love the athiests I work with. I find it funny, how when gambling they are praying to a higher power for that ultimate winning card hand, or that winning roll of the dice, or the placement of that ball on the spinning roulette wheel. I find it funny that Christians do these things, as if God gives a shit. Two football teams each praying before a game that God helps them win, while thousands die around the world. Everyone dies. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:26:10 PM EDT
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Anyone who's been around a while has seen people who were struggling to stay alive, give up and then die. Positive thinking plays a major role in people's revovery from injury and illness. "Will to live" and all that... Prayer is another form of this, and can help a person get through difficulties (without any sort of Divine intervention). Even Aquinas acknowledged this value of prayer, the value of focusing the mind and fortifying the will. Which meditation and mental training will do better, without any need the for the unresponsive partner. How do you know this ? Yeah, the fact that she lived at least indicates the possibility that the recipient of her entreaties wasn't 'unresponsive'. To assert such 'unresponsiveness' in the face of evidence to the contrary seems and act of - wait for it! - faith. 
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:29:05 PM EDT
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Im happy the nurse was saved and I dont give 2 shits who or what she wants to thank for that fact |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:40:00 PM EDT
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I bet a lot of atheists would be praying if they were facing death from Ebola. This one wouldn't, prayer don't have shit to do with survival. The will to live and survive is what matters. Anything you Atheist bashers want to say can easily be said about christians. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:15:58 PM EDT
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Everyone knows that you can be cured of Ebola here in America because God left Africa a long time ago. America has been giving up on God for over a century, what happens when God leaves America too? We'll turn into Canada Beauty, 'eh?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:16:19 PM EDT
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More proof Atheism is a religion in itself. This, and they are downright evangelical about it, too. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:19:02 PM EDT
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Kinda impressed that this discussion has remains civil for as long as it has.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:26:24 PM EDT
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Atheists do believe in something; attention.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:28:14 PM EDT
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I'm not offended. I'm flabbergasted that a nurse would say prayer, and not medicine and the doctors that saw her, were the reason for her being cured.
That's not really a nurse I'd like to have.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:29:52 PM EDT
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Kinda impressed that this discussion has remains civil for as long as it has. Good job GD. Except for the "atheists are retards / atheists are the taliban" comments and the highfiving from the flock; they're insults that offend no one but reveal the real feelings of the believers about atheists. And let's not forget the delicious irony of drone believers slamming atheists for their attitude of "intellectual superiority" and then get off on their own moral superiority. Jesus would have called these people out as "white-washed graves", all pretty in their outward form but rotten inside. Yes, christians your love really shines through with threads and comment like these. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess Thomas Duncan was praying wrong... or god is racist. What does the hive say? Didn't pray, or was too far gone to pray. Are you really rationalizing this by saying that ebola, after a point, is stronger than God? That God can create an Ebola he can't cure? |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Atheists seethe"... Whatever. I'm sure the average atheist in America doesn't give a crap either way about what the hookah smoking Ebola nurse did, but some people love to stir the pot and others love to eat it up. http://static.squarespace.com/static/4f34530ecb12e336a9dfe29c/t/543c50f6e4b0ed15ca1c75e6/1413239033380/?format=500w What does the fact that she smokes a hookah have to do with anything? This forum is circling the toilet.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:37:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:41:24 PM EDT
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More proof Atheism is a religion in itself. This, and they are downright evangelical about it, too. How many are actually seething? . I'm laughing. I'm starting to wonder whether those seething atheists are just trolling for ridiculously funny responses.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 7:43:39 PM EDT
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Except for the "atheists are retards / atheists are the taliban" comments and the highfiving from the flock; they're insults that offend no one but reveal the real feelings of the believers about atheists. And let's not forget the delicious irony of drone believers slamming atheists for their attitude of "intellectual superiority" and then get off on their own moral superiority. Jesus would have called these people out as "white-washed graves", all pretty in their outward form but rotten inside. Yes, christians your love really shines through with threads and comment like these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda impressed that this discussion has remains civil for as long as it has. Good job GD. Except for the "atheists are retards / atheists are the taliban" comments and the highfiving from the flock; they're insults that offend no one but reveal the real feelings of the believers about atheists. And let's not forget the delicious irony of drone believers slamming atheists for their attitude of "intellectual superiority" and then get off on their own moral superiority. Jesus would have called these people out as "white-washed graves", all pretty in their outward form but rotten inside. Yes, christians your love really shines through with threads and comment like these. Eh, I say let em have it. More laughs for me. |
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