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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:47:56 PM EDT
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What's with the JFK hate? I'm genuinely curious. I even made a thread about it, but the answers weren't exactly clear. He gets martyred too much in our society. He dealt with the wrong kind of people, took power and then refused too pay up. When you live by the sword... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:53:50 PM EDT
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Ghandi was one smart dude. He realized that resistance would get his people slaughtered. So, he encouraged pacifism in order to show the brutality of the regime. It made so much bad press that the government was overturned. Clever lawyer   
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Gandhi told the British that they shouldn't fight back against Germany during WW2...  Well, at least he was consistent... I'm going to need a source for that. Ghandi wasn't the pacifist he is made out to be. At least, not at all points in his life. Ghandi was one smart dude. He realized that resistance would get his people slaughtered. So, he encouraged pacifism in order to show the brutality of the regime. It made so much bad press that the government was overturned. Clever lawyer
If you get a chance, please read http://www.amazon.com/Gandhi-An-Autobiography-Story-Experiments/dp/0807059099 And then the country he loved was ripped in two and would become fierce rivals and further jack up relations in the Muslim/non Muslim world. Now I know he never wanted that to happen and was likely horrified by it...but actions have consequences. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:58:48 PM EDT
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Guy Fawkes
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:59:20 PM EDT
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:04:26 AM EDT
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Guy Fawkes Why? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Guy Fawkes Why? Because he tried to blow up Parliament because of religious reasons. It had nothing to do with freedom and rights. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:10:52 AM EDT
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FDR This. Polio did us a great disservice by letting him live through three full terms as President. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:12:26 AM EDT
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Guy Fawkes Why? Despite what the Occupy tards seem to believe (thanks entirely to that "V for Vendetta" movie)...He was a lackey, hired to guard the gunpowder they planned to use in their big rebellion...He got drunk, fell asleep, and was caught...sleeping. Also...the way I understand it...They were not planning to "free the people from oppression"...They were just planning to put oppressors of another religion into power. (I could be wrong, but that is a very pedestrian version of the way I was led to believe his story...Perhaps one of our Brit member could chime in on this). |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:15:15 AM EDT
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Spoken like a real boot licker. There was nothing "awesome" about lincoln. He tore this country apart, and it damn sure wasn't over slavery. The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why Lincoln? Aside from a Southerner's perspectives, is there something I've missed? Nope. He was pretty awesome, but a lot of the southern folks believe he was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let the south leave the union to practice slavery, which was an abhorrent practice that is counter to our very constitutional founding.
ETA: The south continues to be butt-hurt about it to this day.  Spoken like a real boot licker. There was nothing "awesome" about lincoln. He tore this country apart, and it damn sure wasn't over slavery. The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. LOL. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:15:58 AM EDT
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Madmedic, and Ned. Thanks.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:35:55 AM EDT
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Bay of Pigs. Don't get me started.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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JFK. A man child when it came to foreign policy. My family suffered horrendously because of him. Others suffered worse. I hope its reeeeeeeeeeeeealy hot where he is...  Bay of Pigs. Don't get me started. Nelson Mandela Che Guevara Fidel fucknuts Castro i would pay a year's salary to watch a silverback or a team of horses rip Fidel Castro's limbs off him, & then drag his amputated, bleeding carcass around the dusty floor of the Colosseum, while his blood pressure drops & the arterial pumping becomes progressively less vigorous, until the last bit of it dribbles out into the dirt. i would be wearing a toga & drinking wine the whole time. i would then pay another 6 months' salary for his Rolex watch, & put that shit under glass in my study, & tell the fucking time with it. completely serious. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:40:56 AM EDT
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Nelson Mandela Che Guevara Fidel fucknuts Castro i would pay a year's salary to watch a silverback or a team of horses rip Fidel Castro's limbs off him, & then drag his amputated, bleeding carcass around the dusty floor of the Colosseum, while his blood pressure drops & the arterial pumping becomes progressively less vigorous, until the last bit of it dribbles out into the dirt. i would be wearing a toga & drinking wine the whole time. i would then pay another 6 months' salary for his Rolex watch, & put that shit under glass in my study, & tell the fucking time with it. completely serious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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JFK. A man child when it came to foreign policy. My family suffered horrendously because of him. Others suffered worse. I hope its reeeeeeeeeeeeealy hot where he is... Bay of Pigs. Don't get me started. Nelson Mandela Che Guevara Fidel fucknuts Castro i would pay a year's salary to watch a silverback or a team of horses rip Fidel Castro's limbs off him, & then drag his amputated, bleeding carcass around the dusty floor of the Colosseum, while his blood pressure drops & the arterial pumping becomes progressively less vigorous, until the last bit of it dribbles out into the dirt. i would be wearing a toga & drinking wine the whole time. i would then pay another 6 months' salary for his Rolex watch, & put that shit under glass in my study, & tell the fucking time with it. completely serious. Who the fuck thinks that Fidel Castro is a hero? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:52:31 AM EDT
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Nelson Mandela Che Guevara Fidel fucknuts Castro i would pay a year's salary to watch a silverback or a team of horses rip Fidel Castro's limbs off him, & then drag his amputated, bleeding carcass around the dusty floor of the Colosseum, while his blood pressure drops & the arterial pumping becomes progressively less vigorous, until the last bit of it dribbles out into the dirt. i would be wearing a toga & drinking wine the whole time. i would then pay another 6 months' salary for his Rolex watch, & put that shit under glass in my study, & tell the fucking time with it. completely serious. Who the fuck thinks that Fidel Castro is a hero? --Ted Turner --Andrea Mitchell --Jesse Jackson --Dan Rather called him "Cuba's own Elvis." 
--Oliver Stone --Bill Clinton --Katie Couric "Considered one of the most charismatic leaders of the 20th century....[Fidel] Castro traveled the country cultivating his image and his revolution delivered. Campaigns stamped out illiteracy and even today, Cuba has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world." --Steven Spielberg "The best seven hours I ever spent was actually with Fidel Castro." --Kevin Costner: "It was an experience of a lifetime to sit only a few feet away from him and watch him relive an experience he lived as a very young man." Jack Nichols: "He is a genius. We spoke about everything," --Saul Landau: "has brought a greater equality in terms of wealth distribution than I guess any country in the world today." --George McGovern 
i've been following the GamerGate thread, where you've made a lot of good points. there's a similar SJW/leftists mentality among the MSM, going back decades. these are some of the most obvious examples, the fawning over this asshole Communist dictator, who thumbs his nose at us, 90 miles from our border. fuck be upon him. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:04:57 AM EDT
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You pretty much don't put a dent in history without coming off as an asshole or a hero.
Some assholes are better than other assholes. The best you can do is live a life that is uninfected by these assholes. 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:05:41 AM EDT
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:10:49 AM EDT
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i've been following the GamerGate thread, where you've made a lot of good points. there's a similar SJW/leftists mentality among the MSM, going back decades. these are some of the most obvious examples, the fawning over this asshole Communist dictator, who thumbs his nose at us, 90 miles from our border. fuck be upon him. Thank you for the compliment. I do know about the leftist mentality among mainstream media outlets, it's just that I've never heard of FC getting praised. In fact, I've never heard him mentioned on the news. I just hear him getting ignored. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:13:03 AM EDT
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double tap
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:14:37 AM EDT
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FDR
Socialist, employed communists at all levels of gov't prolonged and made worse the depression with his illegal expansion of govt. 4 terms? Fucking personality cult Would rather suck stalin's dick than stand up to enforce the atlantic treaty, sentenced the people of E. Europe to generations of slavery. he was more concerned about stalin liking him, than calling him out on his bullshit Shouldnt have given stalin any LL aid, should have run train on the USSR after beating the nazis until patton was shitting in the kremlin, but no, he wanted to be liked by our enemies Crippled old senile man who should have been given to germany so he could have been enrolled in their T-4 program, no one was more mentally feeble than FDR in 1944. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:16:11 AM EDT
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History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:24:03 AM EDT
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Joseph Stalin...
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:38:31 AM EDT
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The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight
The Founding Fathers would almost certainly have been divided, although even many of those who would have sided with the Union would have found some of Lincoln's and Congress' actions unacceptable. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:58:04 AM EDT
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(If Robin Hood was real:) He only stole from people who taxed the fuck out of poor people. He was returning what was stolen from them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. (If Robin Hood was real:) He only stole from people who taxed the fuck out of poor people. He was returning what was stolen from them. At least, that's how he is remembered by history, as in the subject of this thread.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 4:23:43 AM EDT
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The Founding Fathers would almost certainly have been divided, although even many of those who would have sided with the Union would have found some of Lincoln's and Congress' actions unacceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight
The Founding Fathers would almost certainly have been divided, although even many of those who would have sided with the Union would have found some of Lincoln's and Congress' actions unacceptable. This. You would have been with Hamilton or Jefferson. "Individualism" vs "greater good" |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:10:41 AM EDT
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Robin Hood Did he actually exist? Most such legends are based partly in truth. Wikipedia has a list of actually people who may have been the original. Even in legend he was a thief, and a socialist. I hate thieves and socialists. (If Robin Hood was real:) He only stole from people who taxed the fuck out of poor people. He was returning what was stolen from them. At least, that's how he is remembered by history, as in the subject of this thread. Yeah, but you said he was a villain, which was the title of this thread. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:56:01 AM EDT
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Stalin
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:07:23 AM EDT
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(If Robin Hood was real:) He only stole from people who taxed the fuck out of poor people. He was returning what was stolen from them. At least, that's how he is remembered by history, as in the subject of this thread. Yeah, but you said he was a villain, which was the title of this thread. Who knows. I visited Sherwood Forest while I was stationed in England in the 80's. I was told by someone there, or maybe I read it on a marquee, that the do-gooder story was not the whole truth. The idea that all he stole was money that was taxed from the people is rather silly. It sounds good in stories, but I doubt that anyone could get away with it enough times to become legendary. The story told there was that he was a legendary thief among thieves. I don't remember the details, but it seemed right at the time. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:09:19 AM EDT
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Leonardo Da Vinci. If he invented the helicopter, M.C. Escher invented a perpetual waterfall and I invented thousands of spaceships when I was in the fifth grade.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:50:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:54:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. How about "you are emotionally invested in an agenda that fails to comport with the facts."
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:59:48 AM EDT
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Churchill. Beside him sacrificing the passengers on the Lusitania he was a dangerous drunk. It's now come out that almost those famous old evening radio broadcasts you have heard of him was made by his impersonator, its not his voice at all that was recorded, but someone that sounded like him reading a speech written by the propagandists. This BTW was admitted by both the impersonator and is detailed in the British archives. Fact was old Winny was too drunk by 5PM to do any evening speeches. Many accounts of him going into war meetings shit faced falling down making all sorts slurred rambling comments. The top British Admiralty had attested to many such meetings. Not only that there was a documented incident where he called bomber command in such a state and ordered the chemical bombing of German cities. This at a time when the Germans possessed large stockpiles of nerve gas much more powerful than the Brits but was not willing to use it. This drunken fool would have changed that. Luckily bomber command knew he was drunk and ignored him. That and for the propganda "we can take it" drivel from him during the blitz, not one time was he anywhere near any bombing as he had prior knowledge as to when to run due to code cracking. Many times he would be notified when and where the bombers where coming at would not give anyone including his staff any knowledge to save them nor civilians, but made sure his driver got him the hell out of the incoming path, then he would show up the day after, like look I'm right here with you for photo ops. This was documented by many including his driver after the war. Fact is Churchill was a drunk, a war criminal and a coward. I wasn't aware of all of that, but I do recall that prior to his capture and subsequent escape during the Boer War he had advocated for the execution of any British soldier who surrendered. Seems pretty hypocritical. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:03:57 AM EDT
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Despite what the Occupy tards seem to believe (thanks entirely to that "V for Vendetta" movie)...He was a lackey, hired to guard the gunpowder they planned to use in their big rebellion...He got drunk, fell asleep, and was caught...sleeping. Also...the way I understand it...They were not planning to "free the people from oppression"...They were just planning to put oppressors of another religion into power. (I could be wrong, but that is a very pedestrian version of the way I was led to believe his story...Perhaps one of our Brit member could chime in on this). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guy Fawkes Why? Despite what the Occupy tards seem to believe (thanks entirely to that "V for Vendetta" movie)...He was a lackey, hired to guard the gunpowder they planned to use in their big rebellion...He got drunk, fell asleep, and was caught...sleeping. Also...the way I understand it...They were not planning to "free the people from oppression"...They were just planning to put oppressors of another religion into power. (I could be wrong, but that is a very pedestrian version of the way I was led to believe his story...Perhaps one of our Brit member could chime in on this). You are correct |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:25:34 AM EDT
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Gandhi told the British that they shouldn't fight back against Germany during WW2... Well, at least he was consistent... Despite refusing to allow his wife to be given medication to prevent her death, he availed himself of it when he became ill. So, there's that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:34:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She took in a lot of money to help the poor, sick and, dying, but did little more than warehouse them until they died. Some of her centers were kept empty. The medical care was non-existant and the money instead was used to convert people to Christianity, including baptizing the dying regardless of their religious beliefs, or given right to the Vatican. She personally refused to authorize the funds for purchasing medical equipment. Many of her care givers had no medical training and the their care consisted of cleaning the patients and kindness. They would house everyone together, so the people who could recover from their illnesses contracted the contagious and often fatal illness of the others. When asked if she teaches poor people to accept being poor she said "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." There were several other shady financial dealing, including donations from communist leaders, dictators that stole money from their people and business men who embezzled funds, she even testified for leniency for one of them when he was caught Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mother Teresa How is that? There were several other shady financial dealing, including donations from communist leaders, dictators that stole money from their people and business men who embezzled funds, she even testified for leniency for one of them when he was caught It would have been helpful if you had cited your source. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:03:19 AM EDT
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Woodrow Wilson
The piece of shit that signed into law the Federal Reserve Act in Dec. 1913. The act that enslaved the American People to the greedy private banking cartels and the IRS. Fuk him! |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:28:20 AM EDT
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What's with the JFK hate? I'm genuinely curious. I even made a thread about it, but the answers weren't exactly clear. A great deal of evidence points towards: 1) Election fraud 2) That he was being blackmailed into helping certain companies get defense contracts He was the Clinton/Obama of his time. Like Clinton, he was an reckless and uncontrollable philanderer, which put the office at risk. Like Obama, he was a political creation....formed out of substandard material and prepared, packaged, and presented by the Soros of his day, Joseph Kennedy Sr. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:34:53 AM EDT
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I wasn't aware of all of that, but I do recall that prior to his capture and subsequent escape during the Boer War he had advocated for the execution of any British soldier who surrendered. Seems pretty hypocritical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Churchill. Beside him sacrificing the passengers on the Lusitania he was a dangerous drunk. It's now come out that almost those famous old evening radio broadcasts you have heard of him was made by his impersonator, its not his voice at all that was recorded, but someone that sounded like him reading a speech written by the propagandists. This BTW was admitted by both the impersonator and is detailed in the British archives. Fact was old Winny was too drunk by 5PM to do any evening speeches. Many accounts of him going into war meetings shit faced falling down making all sorts slurred rambling comments. The top British Admiralty had attested to many such meetings. Not only that there was a documented incident where he called bomber command in such a state and ordered the chemical bombing of German cities. This at a time when the Germans possessed large stockpiles of nerve gas much more powerful than the Brits but was not willing to use it. This drunken fool would have changed that. Luckily bomber command knew he was drunk and ignored him. That and for the propganda "we can take it" drivel from him during the blitz, not one time was he anywhere near any bombing as he had prior knowledge as to when to run due to code cracking. Many times he would be notified when and where the bombers where coming at would not give anyone including his staff any knowledge to save them nor civilians, but made sure his driver got him the hell out of the incoming path, then he would show up the day after, like look I'm right here with you for photo ops. This was documented by many including his driver after the war. Fact is Churchill was a drunk, a war criminal and a coward. I wasn't aware of all of that, but I do recall that prior to his capture and subsequent escape during the Boer War he had advocated for the execution of any British soldier who surrendered. Seems pretty hypocritical. Churchill's leadership early in WW II was also a mixed-bag. He vacillated on reinforcing the Pacific, initially choosing to concentrate forces in North Africa before changing his mind. Some of the troops he sent to Singapore received the order to surrender to the Japanese without ever firing a shot. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:36:39 AM EDT
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In response to this thread: Who is remembered by history as a fool or villian but got a bum rap? I had a lot of responses I wanted to make in that thread, but most of em fell under this category. My candidate would be McArthur. He was a lying, egomaniacal mommy's boy who was completely ineffective in the early stages of the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, and effectively went rogue in Korea, provoking the Chinese. He operated a command isolated from the US Government in the Korean War, and frequently made political moves completely outside of his scope as a military commander. Biographies describe his sick fascination with his mother, and from an early age he was surrounded by sycophants and yes men. He created a world around himself where he could do no wrong, and every misstep he made he blamed on others. He had a pathological aversion to taking responsibility for his actions, which often ended up getting men killed. By the end of his career, he was so mentally off his rocker it was a shitshow getting him reigned in. Your candidates? Of course, this being GD, the first name I expect is Abraham Lincoln, but I swear to god I will pistol whip the first son of a bitch that turns this into a Civil War tard fest. All of the above may be true, but he was actually correct about Korea and the need to destroy the bridges over the Yalu River. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:56:02 AM EDT
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Did you make all that up yourself, or did you find it in one of the Churchill hate books? Churchill is well known to have liked a drink. Beyond that your post is drivel.
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Churchill. Beside him sacrificing the passengers on the Lusitania he was a dangerous drunk. It's now come out that almost those famous old evening radio broadcasts you have heard of him was made by his impersonator, its not his voice at all that was recorded, but someone that sounded like him reading a speech written by the propagandists. This BTW was admitted by both the impersonator and is detailed in the British archives. Fact was old Winny was too drunk by 5PM to do any evening speeches. Many accounts of him going into war meetings shit faced falling down making all sorts slurred rambling comments. The top British Admiralty had attested to many such meetings. Not only that there was a documented incident where he called bomber command in such a state and ordered the chemical bombing of German cities. This at a time when the Germans possessed large stockpile of nerve gas much more powerful than the Brits had but was not willing to use it. This drunken fool would have changed that. Luckily bomber command knew he was drunk and ignored him. That and for the propganda "we can take it" drivel from him during the blitz, not one time was he anywhere near any bombing as he had prior knowledge as to when to run due to code cracking. Many times he would be notified when and where the bombers where coming at would not give anyone including his staff any knowledge to save them nor civilians, but made sure his driver got him the hell out of the incoming path, then he would show up the day after, like look I'm right here with you for photo ops. This was documented by many including his driver after the war. Fact is Churchill was a drunk, a war criminal and a coward. Did you make all that up yourself, or did you find it in one of the Churchill hate books? Churchill is well known to have liked a drink. Beyond that your post is drivel.
Churchill is perhaps one of the most quotable statesman in the 20th Century. When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:59:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:59:35 AM EDT
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Our history or some other countries?
I'd say that the cult following of Lenin or Marx that still exists fits the criteria. Those two jokers have caused more misery than many other people. The fact that Marxist rebels and countries still exist in this day and age is proof of their sheer quality of their hucksterism and the ability of the common man to fall for a line of nonsense. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:04:56 AM EDT
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"Fool or villain" is often a matter of perspective. So my "fools or villains"... Click To View Spoiler Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In response to this thread: Who is remembered by history as a fool or villian but got a bum rap? I had a lot of responses I wanted to make in that thread, but most of em fell under this category. "Fool or villain" is often a matter of perspective. So my "fools or villains"... Click To View Spoiler Dang ya'll still mad about that even after we bailed your asses out in WWII?
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:06:28 AM EDT
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. Can you dispute one of the facts he presented here? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:14:49 AM EDT
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. History is written by the victor. The Union won and America was forever changed. You don't have to agree with what I said but if you'd care too say something other than "your history sucks" then i'm all ears. How about "you are emotionally invested in an agenda that fails to comport with the facts." I believe his argument has merit. When I was getting my BA in History, many of my classes did not shy away from this topic or resort to childish accusations. The side of things he is arguing from has some evidence in his favor. History is a complex thing however. I believe that most of those who fought with conviction on the Northern side did believe in their heart it was a fight against slavery. Likewise I believe that most who fought with conviction on the Southern side believed something similar to what he posted. As to what those pushing the buttons and pulling the levers at the top thought? Well.... |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:31:58 AM EDT
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The delusional folks defending the Confederacy need to read the Cornerstone Speech by the Confederacy's VP.
Guess what the Conerstone of the Confederacy was?.... SLAVERY! Enjoy: The Conerstone Speech |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:33:50 AM EDT
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The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Your history sucks. Can you dispute one of the facts he presented here? OK, how about the fact that the Lincoln's tax was repealed in 1871? Many Southerners fought because they were drafted, and their States rebelled because of slavery. Not exactly exemplars of human freedom. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:53:08 AM EDT
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Spoken like a real boot licker. There was nothing "awesome" about lincoln. He tore this country apart, and it damn sure wasn't over slavery. The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why Lincoln? Aside from a Southerner's perspectives, is there something I've missed? Nope. He was pretty awesome, but a lot of the southern folks believe he was a tyrant, because he wouldn't let the south leave the union to practice slavery, which was an abhorrent practice that is counter to our very constitutional founding.
ETA: The south continues to be butt-hurt about it to this day. Spoken like a real boot licker. There was nothing "awesome" about lincoln. He tore this country apart, and it damn sure wasn't over slavery. The Civil War was about a federal takeover, not slavery, maybe one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and realize that. Only 5% of southerners owned slaves, around 1% of owners were black. Southerners fought because they knew what would come of a Federal entity. Enjoy that Income tax courtesy of your bud honest Abe. Spoken like someone ignorant of history. Hint: Read the Southern States declarations of secession. They all left specifically so they could continue to own men as property. Of course, the truth is ugly, which is why so many Southerners try to deflect to "States rights". The real tyrants of the war were the leaders of the Confederacy, which is supported by facts. "Lincoln was a tyrant!" is an opinion held by the south supported by the butthurt and sour grapes of the decendants of tyrants who lost a war over thier "right" to continue to own men as property. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:59:01 AM EDT
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Tesla, he was bat shit insane and the vast majority of his work is that of a raving mad man. A blind squirrel and a nut (pun intended) and all that. Hm, can't really agree with that one. Tesla had ideas a century ago that "geniuses" of our day are 're-inventing'. I don't know a single electrical engineer that doesn't worship Tesla like a God. The man understood concepts of electricity in his day that baffle engineering students to this day. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 10:02:09 AM EDT
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The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight
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The founding fathers would have sided with Lincoln. They put down Shay's Rebellion and other insurrections with a ruthless quickness, and created the Constitution and a powerful federal government to deal with such shenanigans in the future. Now I have to bitch slap myself for contributing to my own thread's devolution into a civil war purse fight
Not according to federalist paper no. 46. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. And remember, this was written by a federalist who supported a stronger central government. Quoted:
The delusional folks defending the Confederacy need to read the Cornerstone Speech by the Confederacy's VP. Guess what the Conerstone of the Confederacy was?.... SLAVERY! Enjoy: The Conerstone Speech The CSA was an abhorrent tyrannical government that endorsed one of the most inhuman practices in history. I haven't seen anyone in this thread defend that. Slavery was also legal in parts of the north during the civil war, infact Lincolns "emancipation proclamation" only effected southern states, not the northern states who still allowed slavery. The states created the federal government, not the other way around. It is not only a state's right, but its duty to separate itself from the federal government, if they feel it has become tyrannical. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 10:04:50 AM EDT
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And then the country he loved was ripped in two and would become fierce rivals and further jack up relations in the Muslim/non Muslim world. Now I know he never wanted that to happen and was likely horrified by it...but actions have consequences. So true! it's a shame how it all went down in the end. I suppose that ultimately it was out of his hands. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 10:06:52 AM EDT
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Lincoln and FDR come to mind.
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