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Posted: 9/30/2014 2:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My rav4 is AWD but I can lock the center differential at speeds below 25mph Humm.... (off to look at the Toyota website).
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:32:08 PM EDT
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The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. In English, 1993 to 1997 according to this: http://tlc4x4.com/fzj80.htm |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. In English, 1993 to 1997 according to this: http://tlc4x4.com/fzj80.htm Lexus LX470 as well if I remember correctly. This is the happy switch location.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 3:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We sold our selectable 4WD TrailBlazer for an AWD Enclave. It works.  The 4wd makes the snow like it is not even there and it has street queen tires on it 2wd is downright fun though. http://www.discounttire.com/infocooperdiscovererhtp/cooperdiscovererhtp.html |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:00:14 PM EDT
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Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. This... |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:02:43 PM EDT
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4x4 with lockers
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:12:06 PM EDT
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I like my selectable 4wd TrailBlazer, though the 300hp v8 might have a lot to do with it as well.
The 4wd makes the snow like it is not even there and it has street queen tires on it 2wd is downright fun though. http://www.discounttire.com/infocooperdiscovererhtp/cooperdiscovererhtp.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We sold our selectable 4WD TrailBlazer for an AWD Enclave. It works.
The 4wd makes the snow like it is not even there and it has street queen tires on it 2wd is downright fun though. http://www.discounttire.com/infocooperdiscovererhtp/cooperdiscovererhtp.html My AWD Trailblazer hasn't had any issues in the snow other than the need to take it very easy when you want to start moving. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:21:39 PM EDT
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This is what you seek.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:24:27 PM EDT
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The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. You are correct. It does not, but it does have a center locking diff, and of course, it has a DVD player, refrigerator, all the seats are heated, heated steering wheel, air conditioned seats in the summer, Crawl Control, and a host of other awesome features. Its an incredible ride; and very capable. Its great being in a incognito luxury vehicle. It is not flashy, but it is far more comfortable and well made than any BMW or Benz I have ridden in. The only drawback, is they are pricey, like $80,000 pricey. 
Here's my 2011: 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 4:27:12 PM EDT
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I'll be at Overland Expo East in mine starting Thursday!!!!
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:37:29 PM EDT
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Lexus LX470 as well if I remember correctly. This is the happy switch location. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/vehicles-trailers-sale/320662d1187414619-1993-fzj80-toyota-land-cruiser-charcoal-grey-128k-miles-w-lockers-8000-va-1993-fzj80-sale-021.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. Hmm...which Land Cruiser model does this? Years? That combination would seem to be my ideal vehicle. The answer to all questions is FZJ80. The 100 series has them as well, but less often. And the 200 series doesn't have lockers if I remember correctly. In English, 1993 to 1997 according to this: http://tlc4x4.com/fzj80.htm Lexus LX470 as well if I remember correctly. This is the happy switch location. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/vehicles-trailers-sale/320662d1187414619-1993-fzj80-toyota-land-cruiser-charcoal-grey-128k-miles-w-lockers-8000-va-1993-fzj80-sale-021.jpg Thanks guys! Those are still pretty pricey for the years and mileage. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:48:04 PM EDT
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Humm.... (off to look at the Toyota website). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My rav4 is AWD but I can lock the center differential at speeds below 25mph Humm.... (off to look at the Toyota website). I have put just under 25k miles in about a year and a half and so far it's been great. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:50:58 PM EDT
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Mine only has 277k on it. And i am going to take a 3700 mile road trip in it. With out worrying about it. There is a reason for the price. They are reliable tanks.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:52:26 PM EDT
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My Scooby can drive through snowbanks. Plows through snow up to the bumper with stock tires.
'14 Forester, manual. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:00:54 PM EDT
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This. Subaru's system does well moving power around. Other systems have trouble on uneven traction surfaces:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRniF4JQN2U
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It depends on the AWD system. There are a lot of different types. The cheaper ones are usually "bolt on" to FWD cars and use a lot of electronic aids like brake force distribution to control slip. Audi and Subaru would probably be my top two choices depending on your price range and vehicle needs. Jeep, Chevy, Ford, Acura, and Volvo are all worth a look too. Range/Land Rovers are very capable vehicles but I have never heard a single good thing about them as far as longevity. No matter what type of 4WD or AWD system you get, proper tires make a HUGE difference in performance. If you have that many problems you may want to invest in a 2nd set of wheels with snow tires for the winter. This. Subaru's system does well moving power around. Other systems have trouble on uneven traction surfaces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRniF4JQN2U
Impressive systems. Yes, I'm sure your giant 4x4 with lockers can make it up too, but this thing does it effortlessly in an econobox, so points to them, even if they do still sell lezburus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ That hill is icy. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:54:47 PM EDT
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Mine only has 277k on it. And i am going to take a 3700 mile road trip in it. With out worrying about it. There is a reason for the price. They are reliable tanks. Which year do you have which engine? I see they offered a diesel and that would explain some of the real high mileage claims. I'm still interested and you may make a believer out of me yet. I've owned several Toyotas and they are indeed reliable if nothing else. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which year do you have which engine? I see they offered a diesel and that would explain some of the real high mileage claims. I'm still interested and you may make a believer out of me yet. I've owned several Toyotas and they are indeed reliable if nothing else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mine only has 277k on it. And i am going to take a 3700 mile road trip in it. With out worrying about it. There is a reason for the price. They are reliable tanks. Which year do you have which engine? I see they offered a diesel and that would explain some of the real high mileage claims. I'm still interested and you may make a believer out of me yet. I've owned several Toyotas and they are indeed reliable if nothing else. Diesel was only available overseas. I have a 1FZ-FE engine in a 1993 FZJ80. 4.5L straight six. Slow, underpowered, fuel hog. But it starts every time.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:04:54 PM EDT
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I got my cruiser with front and rear locking diffs and center locking transfercase for 5k. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. If you're spending that much, I'd rather have the top of the line 4Runner with both, and buy two. I got my cruiser with front and rear locking diffs and center locking transfercase for 5k. YMMV. You forgot about the 12-13 MPG on a good day.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You forgot about the 12-13 MPG on a good day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get both! Toyota Land Cruisers. Full time AWD with low range (and several locking diffs) when needed. If you're spending that much, I'd rather have the top of the line 4Runner with both, and buy two. I got my cruiser with front and rear locking diffs and center locking transfercase for 5k. YMMV. You forgot about the 12-13 MPG on a good day. Oh trust me, I didnt.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:07:39 PM EDT
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Impressive systems. Yes, I'm sure your giant 4x4 with lockers can make it up too, but this thing does it effortlessly in an econobox, so points to them, even if they do still sell lezburus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ That hill is icy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ
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It depends on the AWD system. There are a lot of different types. The cheaper ones are usually "bolt on" to FWD cars and use a lot of electronic aids like brake force distribution to control slip. Audi and Subaru would probably be my top two choices depending on your price range and vehicle needs. Jeep, Chevy, Ford, Acura, and Volvo are all worth a look too. Range/Land Rovers are very capable vehicles but I have never heard a single good thing about them as far as longevity. No matter what type of 4WD or AWD system you get, proper tires make a HUGE difference in performance. If you have that many problems you may want to invest in a 2nd set of wheels with snow tires for the winter. This. Subaru's system does well moving power around. Other systems have trouble on uneven traction surfaces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRniF4JQN2U
Impressive systems. Yes, I'm sure your giant 4x4 with lockers can make it up too, but this thing does it effortlessly in an econobox, so points to them, even if they do still sell lezburus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ That hill is icy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ
I won't argue with you there. That's why I have a 200 series LandCruiser and a 2013 Impreza.  Both are great cars.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:13:27 PM EDT
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Modern Toyota truck, A-Trac and electric locking rear diff.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't argue with you there. That's why I have a 200 series LandCruiser and a 2013 Impreza. Both are great cars.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It depends on the AWD system. There are a lot of different types. The cheaper ones are usually "bolt on" to FWD cars and use a lot of electronic aids like brake force distribution to control slip. Audi and Subaru would probably be my top two choices depending on your price range and vehicle needs. Jeep, Chevy, Ford, Acura, and Volvo are all worth a look too. Range/Land Rovers are very capable vehicles but I have never heard a single good thing about them as far as longevity. No matter what type of 4WD or AWD system you get, proper tires make a HUGE difference in performance. If you have that many problems you may want to invest in a 2nd set of wheels with snow tires for the winter. This. Subaru's system does well moving power around. Other systems have trouble on uneven traction surfaces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRniF4JQN2UImpressive systems. Yes, I'm sure your giant 4x4 with lockers can make it up too, but this thing does it effortlessly in an econobox, so points to them, even if they do still sell lezburus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQ That hill is icy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkyMmTEVMQI won't argue with you there. That's why I have a 200 series LandCruiser and a 2013 Impreza. Both are great cars. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:29:12 PM EDT
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Would you rather have something that will probably make it but might have problems every once in awhile....OR something with plenty of ground clearance and the ability to do utility work if needed, even in snow? Get a new F-150. Auto 4x4, 10" ground clearance without running boards, and you can put real tires on it if needed. Maybe true advice 10 years ago, but the new f-150's (except for the Raptor) have less ground clearance than a Subaru Outback & Forester now. Yes, seriously. It's really sad whats been done to new pickups. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:29:50 PM EDT
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They have snow in Somalia?
4x4 > AWD My previous vehicle was an AWD and it did better than a front or rear wheel drive but the full-time system needs to slip and spin before it started working. My current SUV is a 4WD where I can put a button to engage the transfer case which then splits the power front and rear 50/50. There's another button for the locker in the back which then jams the aft diff so that the power sent to the rear is split 50/50 port and starboard. Only thing better is a front locker and that the next SUV that I get. 
That said 75% of the problem/solution is the driver's skill with the system. Some dumbass in a Wranger isn't going to keep up with a skilled driver in a Honda CRV. 
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:49:11 PM EDT
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My driveway is a steep hill and it takes a run to get up it with a few inches of snow driving a Jeep Wrangler or Nissan Frontier 4WD. My little Subaru Forster can stop on the steepest part of the hill and take off again with no problem.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:59:46 PM EDT
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2-3". AWD, no problem. I had a Subaru Outback, it was like a cat in the snow. It was quite remarkable, actually. I've always had 4x4, but never felt lacking when I had the Outback. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only concern is the driveway. I plow it, but due to the constant wind, it's always 2-3" deep. It's a steep trip up. So, I'm not pushing snow, but it's always icy and snow covered. People who come our here in anything but 4X4 always get stuck 3/4 of the way up when the car tires just start spinning. 2-3". AWD, no problem. I had a Subaru Outback, it was like a cat in the snow. It was quite remarkable, actually. I've always had 4x4, but never felt lacking when I had the Outback. Hell, even my Legacy has only gotten stuck once in a winter in a half. And given how often I'm in deep snow, thats pretty remarkable. That was after a massive dump and a pile of snow had been pushed up behind my car. |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:17:42 PM EDT
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Diesel was only available overseas. I have a 1FZ-FE engine in a 1993 FZJ80. 4.5L straight six. Slow, underpowered, fuel hog. But it starts every time. http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/bruunauto/20140906_105621_zpswbfenuw8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine only has 277k on it. And i am going to take a 3700 mile road trip in it. With out worrying about it. There is a reason for the price. They are reliable tanks. Which year do you have which engine? I see they offered a diesel and that would explain some of the real high mileage claims. I'm still interested and you may make a believer out of me yet. I've owned several Toyotas and they are indeed reliable if nothing else. Diesel was only available overseas. I have a 1FZ-FE engine in a 1993 FZJ80. 4.5L straight six. Slow, underpowered, fuel hog. But it starts every time. http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/bruunauto/20140906_105621_zpswbfenuw8.jpg Okay, thanks. I missed the part about the diesel only being offered overseas on the wiki. The 4.5 had 212 hp and supposedly 18 mpg...about right? Is the v8 any better on gas in the 100 series and what is the difference in the 4wd systems? I found a 2000 100 series with locking diff. Does it also have permanent 4wd like the 80 series? Thanks and sorry to the OP for thread hijack.
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Posted: 9/30/2014 11:35:09 PM EDT
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It depends, for better or for worse the terms are thrown around interchangeably.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 4:14:16 AM EDT
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Land Cruiser is what you seek, I love mine.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 4:24:35 AM EDT
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4 wheel drive for Rednecks...
AWD for lesbians? |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 5:01:58 AM EDT
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I would walk before I rode in a subaru. You could not give me one. I have rescued a lady hanging from her seat belt because one of the right wheels caught several inches of thick snow and sacked it into the ditch where it rolled. When I opened her door the top half just folded with little effort. This was at 35 mph.
Another bitch in poor conditions on bumpy ice could not maintain directional control and hit me headon. Ruining my neck and back, fuck subaru.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 5:24:04 AM EDT
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Toyota 4WD explained
http://www.majormedia2.com/4WDSimplifiedv5/4WD.html |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 5:32:39 AM EDT
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I grew up in the northeast, we had lots of snow. Ive owned many vehicles, 3 in particular I will note.
04 Subaru Impreza WRX- worked well enough in light snow, still had to drive it like a car, having 2 sets of tires was a pain in tyr ass. 98 Jeep Wrangler Sport - manual transmission, best daily driver for snow I ever had of all my 4x4 trucks etc, one set of tires. Jeep Wrangler rockcrawler - fully dedicated offroad rig, lockers front and rear, granny 4 speed, twin sticked et etc - blows everything else ive owned out of tye water. Most of the time I only needed just rear wheel drive due to the locker, if things got really bad I just used the front. Getting stuck became a thing of the past. AWDs are for kids and soccer moms. As much as the companies that make them want to flaunt is as being the new age 4x4, they are not, they will always be a shadow of a comparisson. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:01:57 AM EDT
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I drive my outback to my dear stand on a trail that goes up and down hills in the snow, it's a trail not a road. I had 4x4 trucks in the past the outback is better in the snow than my jeep, just get good tires I use altimax they work
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:36:58 AM EDT
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I drive my outback to my dear stand on a trail that goes up and down hills in the snow, it's a trail not a road. I had 4x4 trucks in the past the outback is better in the snow than my jeep, just get good tires I use altimax they work A proper snow tire is really the biggest factor in how well your vehicle works in the snow. One's like Blizzaks are probably more useful then an AWD or 4WD with crappy or non snow tires. |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 9:17:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up in the northeast, we had lots of snow. Ive owned many vehicles, 3 in particular I will note. 04 Subaru Impreza WRX- worked well enough in light snow, still had to drive it like a car, having 2 sets of tires was a pain in tyr ass. 98 Jeep Wrangler Sport - manual transmission, best daily driver for snow I ever had of all my 4x4 trucks etc, one set of tires. Jeep Wrangler rockcrawler - fully dedicated offroad rig, lockers front and rear, granny 4 speed, twin sticked et etc - blows everything else ive owned out of tye water. Most of the time I only needed just rear wheel drive due to the locker, if things got really bad I just used the front. Getting stuck became a thing of the past. AWDs are for kids and soccer moms. As much as the companies that make them want to flaunt is as being the new age 4x4, they are not, they will always be a shadow of a comparisson. Seriously?
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Posted: 10/1/2014 9:17:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, thanks. I missed the part about the diesel only being offered overseas on the wiki. The 4.5 had 212 hp and supposedly 18 mpg...about right? Is the v8 any better on gas in the 100 series and what is the difference in the 4wd systems? I found a 2000 100 series with locking diff. Does it also have permanent 4wd like the 80 series? Thanks and sorry to the OP for thread hijack. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Mine only has 277k on it. And i am going to take a 3700 mile road trip in it. With out worrying about it. There is a reason for the price. They are reliable tanks. Which year do you have which engine? I see they offered a diesel and that would explain some of the real high mileage claims. I'm still interested and you may make a believer out of me yet. I've owned several Toyotas and they are indeed reliable if nothing else. Diesel was only available overseas. I have a 1FZ-FE engine in a 1993 FZJ80. 4.5L straight six. Slow, underpowered, fuel hog. But it starts every time. http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag113/bruunauto/20140906_105621_zpswbfenuw8.jpg Okay, thanks. I missed the part about the diesel only being offered overseas on the wiki. The 4.5 had 212 hp and supposedly 18 mpg...about right? Is the v8 any better on gas in the 100 series and what is the difference in the 4wd systems? I found a 2000 100 series with locking diff. Does it also have permanent 4wd like the 80 series? Thanks and sorry to the OP for thread hijack. 18 mpg? Maybe brand new with road tires and OE height. The best I have seen in my 80 is 14.2 coming down the mountains of Colorado. I see on average 12-13 mpg. I also have a 2.5in lift, 33 in tires, a large ARB bumper, and a roof top tent on my vehicle which all adversely effects fuel economy. The V8 is MORE POWER, but about the same in fuel economy from what I hear. The way the 80 series is set up for 4wd and Awd is I think the same basic system for the 100 series. You have three open differentials, front, rear and the transfercase which acts like an open diff. I have on my 80 a button to lock the center diff, this turns it into a 4wd vehicle. With front and rear open differentials. The happy switch can then lock the rear followed by the front differential. They are not individually selectable. The times when you might need front locker are pretty rare if you are not crawling around back country rough terrain. The rear though is supper useful. The difference between an 80 and a 100 is that the 100 is more refined, but lost a bit of its strength. The happy switch is less often, and the drive components are not quite as robust.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 9:36:50 AM EDT
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I would walk before I rode in a subaru. You could not give me one. I have rescued a lady hanging from her seat belt because one of the right wheels caught several inches of thick snow and sacked it into the ditch where it rolled. When I opened her door the top half just folded with little effort. This was at 35 mph. Another bitch in poor conditions on bumpy ice could not maintain directional control and hit me headon. Ruining my neck and back, fuck subaru. As far as crash worthiness, you should do some research. Subarus in general are better built and more crash survivable than cars made at the same time. Fire department rescue services often have to train specially for removing people from Subarus, since Subaru tends to find the weak links that the firemen cut through, like the A and B pillars and reinforce them. As far as maintaining control, that's not the vehicles fault. That's people having incorrect tires, going too fast for conditions, and not knowing how to drive. AWD isn't magic and doesn't make up for not knowing how to drive or having Summer or All-Season tires on during the Winter. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 4:37:48 PM EDT
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Heres another shot of my 2011. Ain't she pretty?
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Posted: 10/2/2014 4:43:11 PM EDT
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I would walk before I rode in a subaru. You could not give me one. I have rescued a lady hanging from her seat belt because one of the right wheels caught several inches of thick snow and sacked it into the ditch where it rolled. When I opened her door the top half just folded with little effort. This was at 35 mph. Another bitch in poor conditions on bumpy ice could not maintain directional control and hit me headon. Ruining my neck and back, fuck subaru. 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:20:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would walk before I rode in a subaru. You could not give me one. I have rescued a lady hanging from her seat belt because one of the right wheels caught several inches of thick snow and sacked it into the ditch where it rolled. When I opened her door the top half just folded with little effort. This was at 35 mph. Another bitch in poor conditions on bumpy ice could not maintain directional control and hit me headon. Ruining my neck and back, fuck subaru. http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54943462.jpg ROFLMFAO
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:21:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as crash worthiness, you should do some research. Subarus in general are better built and more crash survivable than cars made at the same time. Fire department rescue services often have to train specially for removing people from Subarus, since Subaru tends to find the weak links that the firemen cut through, like the A and B pillars and reinforce them. As far as maintaining control, that's not the vehicles fault. That's people having incorrect tires, going too fast for conditions, and not knowing how to drive. AWD isn't magic and doesn't make up for not knowing how to drive or having Summer or All-Season tires on during the Winter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would walk before I rode in a subaru. You could not give me one. I have rescued a lady hanging from her seat belt because one of the right wheels caught several inches of thick snow and sacked it into the ditch where it rolled. When I opened her door the top half just folded with little effort. This was at 35 mph. Another bitch in poor conditions on bumpy ice could not maintain directional control and hit me headon. Ruining my neck and back, fuck subaru. As far as crash worthiness, you should do some research. Subarus in general are better built and more crash survivable than cars made at the same time. Fire department rescue services often have to train specially for removing people from Subarus, since Subaru tends to find the weak links that the firemen cut through, like the A and B pillars and reinforce them. As far as maintaining control, that's not the vehicles fault. That's people having incorrect tires, going too fast for conditions, and not knowing how to drive. AWD isn't magic and doesn't make up for not knowing how to drive or having Summer or All-Season tires on during the Winter. x2. Not much of that sounds like the components under the hood but more of the nut behind the wheel.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 10:53:28 AM EDT
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Toyota 4Runner would probably the best option, in 4 high it acts as an open diff AWD system which is great for snowy roads, then you can lock the center diff for 4x4. If you get a newer Trail you can also lock the rear diff.
I really want one but don't have the funds. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:13:18 AM EDT
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I've thought about getting a manual trans Suzuki SX4 awd to hoon around in. They're super cheap. Its tough finding the awd/manual combo since they stopped making them. I know a couple people that have them and they've help up surprisingly well past 150k miles. It's nowhere near the capabilities of a subaru/audi/jeep type of awd/4wd system but it has an electromagnetic clutch to run in fwd only to reduce wear/tear on the system and improve economy when you don't need it. I have a friend that has a very successful shop that does a lot of custom turbo work too so i could make it a fun little shitbox sleeper. =D.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:27:25 PM EDT
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Subaru Schmubaroo... Let's turn this thing into a Land Cruiser thread!!!
Here's one of mine:  |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:31:35 AM EDT
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Subaru Schmubaroo... Let's turn this thing into a Land Cruiser thread!!! Here's one of mine: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JdOQh52-LBw/UVfi302EjWI/AAAAAAAAoB0/RZovf0R8Y_I/w913-h685-no/IMG_20130330_181927.jpg Lookin good, Paul. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:47:25 AM EDT
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Humm.... (off to look at the Toyota website). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My rav4 is AWD but I can lock the center differential at speeds below 25mph Humm.... (off to look at the Toyota website). We have an '11 that has been great and it gets 28 mpg. The wife primarily drives it.... however, it had a O2 sensor go bad last winter, When it did it shut off the AWD system until it got fixed. 
Luckily, I have 3 other true 4wds.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:50:28 AM EDT
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OP, I would defiantly not get a subaru. This guy did and it isn't pretty. LINK
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Posted: 10/7/2014 11:08:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOp is "this guy"
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