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Posted: 1/29/2014 5:12:12 PM EDT
Picked up a neat, old, original, un-cut 1861 Springfield today - lock date of 1862.
She's pretty rough wood wise, little bit of rust - only things missing are both of the sight leaf(s) and the cleaning rod. The cleaning screw is mangled and stuck - and the nipple is flattened from years of dry firing - and it sounds like it's full of dirt ( or powder...  )
Damn thing what appears to be a nice purple marble in the bore... stuck like a son-of-a b#tch. I picture some kid taking Great Grampy's gun and heading out to play - filling it full of dirt out of an old powder horn and happily jamming that purple bastard of a marble as far down as he possibly could. 
It's cold outside... like sub zero at night... So I could leave it (minus the stock) out and get it really cold... don't know if that would help... Boiling water? Break Free? Liquid Wrench? Pressurized Air? Drill? How should I attack it? Pictures to follow. 
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Posted: 1/29/2014 5:42:39 PM EDT
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I vote pressurized air.
And TAG for pics... 
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Posted: 1/29/2014 6:35:52 PM EDT
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Generous amount of lube and a good ramming oughta di the trick.
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Posted: 1/29/2014 6:39:38 PM EDT
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I vote pressurized air. And TAG for pics... +1 |
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Posted: 1/29/2014 7:32:12 PM EDT
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Remove the nipple and find a zerk or grease fitting with those threads. Attach a grease gun and use the hydraulic action of the grease to push the obstruction out.
I believe the original threads are 5/16 x 24, that fitting should be at any auto parts or farm supply. |
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Posted: 1/29/2014 7:42:38 PM EDT
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Remove the nipple and find a zerk or grease fitting with those threads. Attach a grease gun and use the hydraulic action of the grease to push the obstruction out. I believe the original threads are 5/16 x 24, that fitting should be at any auto parts or farm supply. Sir, you are a smart man. Nothing a good lube job can't fix.
I think we have a winner. |
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Posted: 1/29/2014 7:43:51 PM EDT
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Generous amount of lube and a good ramming oughta di the trick. Are we still talking about my musket?
I thought about this too - but I really don't want to remove the breach block... and ramming the marble down further won't help anybody. Pictures will have to come tomorrow - I'm on midnights and about to take a nap before I go in. It's all torn apart right now and soaking in PB Blaster in the set tub in the basement. I filled the bore full of the stuff all the way from marble to muzzle... maybe I'll get lucky and it will seep past and move freely. I'll just be here holding my breath. 
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Posted: 1/29/2014 7:47:55 PM EDT
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I have done it a few times. You won't overpressure or crack anything that way. Good luck!
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Posted: 2/1/2014 12:31:52 AM EDT
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So I got the grease fitting.
Now I need to get that old mangled nipple out... 
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Posted: 2/1/2014 2:01:36 AM EDT
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I vote pressurized air. And TAG for pics... Me too |
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Posted: 2/1/2014 6:29:32 PM EDT
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Me too Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I vote pressurized air. And TAG for pics... Me too yup. We were promised pics, dammit. |
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Posted: 2/2/2014 6:39:22 AM EDT
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Not much to take pictures of yet... it's still all torn apart and now I have a broken old crap nipple that is almost flush to the barrel now.
Going to have to drill it out - unless anyone has a better idea. 
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Posted: 2/2/2014 6:43:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not much to take pictures of yet... it's still all torn apart and now I have a broken old crap nipple that is almost flush to the barrel now. Going to have to drill it out - unless anyone has a better idea. |
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Posted: 2/2/2014 9:02:59 AM EDT
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Not much to take pictures of yet... it's still all torn apart and now I have a broken old crap nipple that is almost flush to the barrel now. Going to have to drill it out - unless anyone has a better idea. Wait....I thought you said it was a gun? An 1861 Springfield..... Of course there are things to take pictures of. I mean, it's a gun......
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Posted: 2/2/2014 1:40:23 PM EDT
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Find some deep-creep penetrating oil from sea-foam or at least some pb blaster and spray the threads then use an automotive heat gun or even a hair dryer to heat up the old nipple and cause the oil to penetrate. DON'T USE A TORCH you can mess up the heat treating! Then use an easy-out to remove the nipple. Try the oil/heat thing for a few days with about 12 hrs between applications then clamp it up in a vise with leather pads on the jaws. Use a high torque drill like a !/2" drill with the ez out.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_deep-creep-aerosol-(12-oz-)-sea-foam_7070069-p?cm_mmc=ACQ-_-Google-_-Enhanced-_-Air_Fuel_Emissions_Exhaust_eez--Dynamic_Fuel_Pumps_Tanks#utm_source=acq&utm_medium=google&utm_campaign=enhanced&utm_content=air_fuel_emissions_exhaust_eez--dynamic_fuel_pumps_tanks http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_penetrating-catalyst-blaster_7081146-p?searchTerm=pb+blaster |
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:23:41 PM EDT
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Tag for outcome...
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:32:56 PM EDT
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Oh sweet jebus , pictures of the wife/girlfriend already. Oh yea, is there a gun pic here also?
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:34:30 PM EDT
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Not much to take pictures of yet... it's still all torn apart and now I have a broken old crap nipple that is almost flush to the barrel now. Going to have to drill it out - unless anyone has a better idea. HaHa you said nipple |
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:50:57 PM EDT
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All kidding aside. I used to rebuild old VW brake calipers because they weren't readily available from AutoZone type stores. If air pressure doesn't work then hydraulic pressure will "usually" free up a stuck item. Find the correct zerk and screw it in. Start pumping grease and the object will most likely move. Be careful. Be vary careful. Did I mention be careful. I am not telling you to do this. Use at your own risk.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 3:29:40 PM EDT
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I would want to make sure that 'dirt' wasn't powder, but I am thinking of using a metal rod long enough to reach the marble, and sharp taps with a hammer to shatter the marble.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 4:35:58 PM EDT
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I would want to make sure that 'dirt' wasn't powder, but I am thinking of using a metal rod long enough to reach the marble, and sharp taps with a hammer to shatter the marble. Use brass, steel rod could damage bore. I like the grease better, less chance of a detonation with unknown crap in barrel |
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Posted: 2/3/2014 1:57:07 AM EDT
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Use brass, steel rod could damage bore. I like the grease better, less chance of a detonation with unknown crap in barrel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would want to make sure that 'dirt' wasn't powder, but I am thinking of using a metal rod long enough to reach the marble, and sharp taps with a hammer to shatter the marble. Use brass, steel rod could damage bore. I like the grease better, less chance of a detonation with unknown crap in barrel Me too. I hit the "marble" with a Mosin bayonet... it bent the edge of the bayonet over... Not sure if it is a marble... or what it is actually made out of - but it's tough as nails. Going to try an Ez-out or reverse drill bit tomorrow. Edit - and while you're waiting for pics of the 1861 - here's my 1837 Brunswick.
The 1858 Remington - 
1816 Harpers Ferry Conversion - 
1816 Nathan Starr - 
1842 Springfield - 
And a crappy picture of my 1863 Springfield, P53 Enfield and 1840 Heavy Saber (P.S. Justice) 
A little gun porn to tide you over.
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Posted: 2/3/2014 7:41:22 PM EDT
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W-O-W!
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Posted: 2/5/2014 3:07:00 AM EDT
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W-O-W! Thank you. 
It's been fun finding these treasures. I enjoy the hunt more than anything. I've been on midnights and haven't had time to get back to the workshop. I promise I will update soon. 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:56:36 AM EDT
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When i bought my compressor it came with a spray gun. Think pistol-grip with a fitting on the front. I believe its a cleaning gun. Like this
I had a ball stuck in a flintlock recently so what i did was unscrew the flashhole liner and firmly hold the rubber cone-shaped nozzle in the hole and it blew right out. If you take out the nipple i think you can do the same. If you're worried about possible powder-after you remove nipple spray a shit load of WD-40 into the hole to soak the powder and make it safe. Also the air pressure is effective so be careful where you aim it or you WILL end up with a nice hole in the wall.
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Posted: 2/6/2014 12:10:50 PM EDT
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I like your Better Homes and Gunshows decorating style.
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Posted: 2/6/2014 1:42:09 PM EDT
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There is a Co2 discharger that comes in real handy when you dry ball- forget the powder. Remove the nipple and screw the discharger on. It uses a Co2 cartridge like a pellet gun. Definitely point the muzzle in a safe direction, especially with a marble that might shatter on impact. |
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Posted: 2/7/2014 9:59:58 PM EDT
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Any luck?
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:38:19 AM EDT
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Find some deep-creep penetrating oil from sea-foam or at least some pb blaster and spray the threads then use an automotive heat gun or even a hair dryer to heat up the old nipple and cause the oil to penetrate. DON'T USE A TORCH you can mess up the heat treating! Then use an easy-out to remove the nipple. Try the oil/heat thing for a few days with about 12 hrs between applications then clamp it up in a vise with leather pads on the jaws. Use a high torque drill like a !/2" drill with the ez out. http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_deep-creep-aerosol-(12-oz-)-sea-foam_7070069-p?cm_mmc=ACQ-_-Google-_-Enhanced-_-Air_Fuel_Emissions_Exhaust_eez--Dynamic_Fuel_Pumps_Tanks#utm_source=acq&utm_medium=google&utm_campaign=enhanced&utm_content=air_fuel_emissions_exhaust_eez--dynamic_fuel_pumps_tanks http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_penetrating-catalyst-blaster_7081146-p?searchTerm=pb+blaster This is good advise. Just used this process to remove a broken nipple from my 1835 R & J D Johnson M1816. Only thing I did different was I used a T handle with the easy out. Thank you Bodybagger! BTW that Nathan Starr is sweet, un modified treasure. |
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Posted: 2/10/2014 3:54:16 PM EDT
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Well... now I have a broken nipple and a hardened steel EZ out tip in it. FML.
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Posted: 2/10/2014 4:04:48 PM EDT
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 Time for a pro, any good smiths around you? What penetrating oil you use?
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Posted: 2/10/2014 4:45:00 PM EDT
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Soaked it in PB blaster for a few days. Even aimed it toward the door and set a torch to it for a bit.
Just dropped it off at CAM Mfg. - they will fix it. (For a price... I'm sure it won't be under $100.00)
I have a couple pictures pre EZ snap and vulgar fit.
I will post them tonight. |
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Posted: 2/10/2014 5:39:24 PM EDT
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OP has very nice collection!
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Posted: 2/11/2014 2:22:18 AM EDT
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Yay EZ out...
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Posted: 2/11/2014 4:06:24 AM EDT
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BTW that Nathan Starr is sweet, un modified treasure. Should have seen it when I got it. Poor old thing had old potato bag ties instead of bands. Took me a while - but I found the correct bands at auction. Still need a top jaw and screw. |
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Posted: 2/11/2014 12:17:21 PM EDT
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Time for a pro, any good smiths around you? What penetrating oil you use?I used PB Blaster, but I heated the nipple area on and off for two days using a heat gun, and reapplied PB after each heating. I was actually surprised how easy the nipple came out by using a "T" handle vs a drill. I used the "T" handle because I thought I would be able to feel what was going on with the nipple better. |
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Posted: 2/12/2014 2:24:31 AM EDT
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So the MFG shop got it out. I need to go pick it up tomorrow.
Problem is - they said they had to remove my clean out screw and there isn't much of it left of it....
Anyone have any idea where to get one of those? Lodgewood has the Armisport repros - but I don't know if that would work. S&S had reproductions - but are "out of stock." I'm a little afraid to go get it. Cost me two hours labor - $120.00 |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:20:09 AM EDT
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So the MFG shop got it out. I need to go pick it up tomorrow. Problem is - they said they had to remove my clean out screw and there isn't much of it left of it....
Anyone have any idea where to get one of those? Lodgewood has the Armisport repros - but I don't know if that would work. S&S had reproductions - but are "out of stock." I'm a little afraid to go get it. Cost me two hours labor - $120.00 Have you tried Track of the Wolf? |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:28:16 AM EDT
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Have you tried Track of the Wolf? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the MFG shop got it out. I need to go pick it up tomorrow. Problem is - they said they had to remove my clean out screw and there isn't much of it left of it....
Anyone have any idea where to get one of those? Lodgewood has the Armisport repros - but I don't know if that would work. S&S had reproductions - but are "out of stock." I'm a little afraid to go get it. Cost me two hours labor - $120.00 Have you tried Track of the Wolf? |
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Posted: 2/15/2014 12:41:50 AM EDT
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Ok, so I got it back and it looks pretty good.
Right now there is a allen screw / plug in the bolter screw hole - just until I find a replacement for the screw that was mangled. 
The good thing is - when they went to tap the nipple hole for the proper pitch - they found the old threads and were able to save them - 
Here's some other quick shots of what I'm working with - my work area is cluttered pretty bad right now - I've got about 10 projects going at once. 
Here is the old stock repair - I was able to get it apart without doing more damage - you can see the two holes where the brass nail/pins were holding it together on the left - 
The 1862 marked Springfield Lock - still pretty dirty - so I'm hoping the markings pop out a bit more after a good cleaning - but they are quite faint. 
I'm also on the hunt for rear sight leaf(s) and pin - this may prove to be an expensive venture. 
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Posted: 2/15/2014 1:51:32 PM EDT
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Did they also get the marble out?
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Posted: 2/15/2014 8:55:55 PM EDT
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Kroil is "THE SHIT"(c) for loosening threads, and anything else.
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Posted: 2/16/2014 12:06:12 AM EDT
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Did they also get the marble out? Nope. Still my job.
At $60 an hour - I think I'll take a couple whacks at it first. |
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Posted: 2/18/2014 8:17:04 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear the marble is still stuck in the barrel. It may be time to send the barrel out to Lodgewood (or another smith) and see if they can remove the breech plug. The only other thing I would suggest is if you could somehow (glue) attach a wooden dowel to the marble and ease it out of the barrel?
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Posted: 2/19/2014 11:45:52 AM EDT
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How far down the bore is the marble?
IE, close enough to the muzzle to quick hit it with a torch then drop some ice water in the bore to shatter the glass? |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 8:16:38 AM EDT
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It's possible. It's about 8-9 inches from the muzzle.
The grease didn't work - there's too much blow by around the fitting in the nipple hole - I think this is due to the dirt and crud that is trapped at the breach plug end - and due to the marble I can't clean it out. I'm going to get a masonry bit and try to drill into the glass this weekend. We'll see how it goes. Good news is - S&S put the bolster screws back in stock - I was able to get almost all the parts I need to put her back together.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 8:27:40 AM EDT
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Are marbles made out of adamantium? You can't just break the damn thing?
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Posted: 2/21/2014 8:31:47 AM EDT
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can you drill and pull out the marble?
can you drill and break the marble? picture of said marble cause I'm really interested! and very nice interior decorator you have
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Posted: 2/21/2014 8:23:56 PM EDT
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Problem is - now when I hit the marble - it goes further down the bore.
Before - it was really stuck. Actually bent over the end of a Mosin bayonet I was using to try and bust it up. So yeah, it's pretty freakin' hard.
The PB blaster, heat, etc that it's been through in the last couple of weeks must have free'd it up enough to move... just in the wrong direction. It's still in range of an extension - and my left handed drill bit kit - I just need to be careful how much downward pressure I put on it, or it will end up out of reach in a hurry. My buddy couldn't find his masonry bit - maybe tomorrow evening. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 11:17:03 PM EDT
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Tap the muzzle on a board or hard rubber mat until it gets to the muzzle. Maybe then squirt some brake parts cleaner on it and krazy glue or epoxy something to it and extract it.
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Posted: 2/22/2014 2:32:33 PM EDT
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Fuck it, shove some powder in through the flash hole, cap it, and blast it out.
What's the worst that can happen, right? Also, have you tried cleaning the barrel to give the obstruction a clear path? Might be a ring of buildup. Have you scoped the barrel? http://www.specialized.net/Specialized/General-Tools-DCS050-Seeker-050-USB-Borescope-Inspection-Scope-8224.aspx $50 and connects to a PC. |
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