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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:41:13 AM EDT
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I'm thinking not much is going to change until Lockheed can get one of their new-fangled fusion reactors small & light enough to be carried by one of those powered exoskeleton systems. Once that happens shit is going to get interesting real fast.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:43:52 AM EDT
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The next big thing will be the Sig Bumpfire Brace.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:42:15 PM EDT
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3d printed parts for guns. remove a lot of work from the manufacture. The space-X folks 3d print their rocket engines. 3d printing (not at home) should allow for a lot of new designs to come out, and a reduction in the prices of some components 3D metal printers will be great when they hit the market.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:46:33 PM EDT
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Semi caseless ammo will be the future. The case would end just about wheree case head separation occures, the cartidge would then headspace off this, it would use a standard type primer and the new cartidge would use a propellant that will not fire under heat only from the primers pressure eleminating the cook off problem the g11 had. The case head would also help remove some heat from the chamber, less ejection errors will ocure due to the reduced surface area of the case. The advantages would be less weight, potentially higher performance and lower cost. LOL someone doesn't know about he functions of a case. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:46:58 PM EDT
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Guns with video camera sights that allow shooting around corners and from behind cover. I have seen prototypes but nothing as great as it could be. And yes, it might be nice if it used Google glass or something similar. Dumb, for most purposes. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:47:49 PM EDT
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"long hanging fruit" ?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:47:56 PM EDT
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We seem to be making the crazy decision to go away from lead, for projectiles.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:48:14 PM EDT
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Fin-stabilized discarding-sabot sporting rounds is what I'd like to see. Thinking of a finned TSX launched at 4500-5000 fps through a smooth bore barrel...ought to be doable, but getting them to shoot where you want would be a real challenge. AND....... wait for it terminal effects sucked and it was abandoned. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:49:25 PM EDT
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I have just over 5,000 rounds through an LSAT. I'm convinced that telescopic cased ammunition is the future. They're working on retrofitting an M4 to use the ammo, once that happens, it's game over for brass. There's just too much benefit from the telescopic cases to ignore.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:50:12 PM EDT
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3d printed parts for guns. remove a lot of work from the manufacture. The space-X folks 3d print their rocket engines. 3d printing (not at home) should allow for a lot of new designs to come out, and a reduction in the prices of some components 3D metal printers will be great when they hit the market.. They already exist, are on the market, and I've held some incredibly interesting prints... |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:50:14 PM EDT
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LSAT set to burst
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:51:04 PM EDT
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I'm thinking not much is going to change until Lockheed can get one of their new-fangled fusion reactors small & light enough to be carried by one of those powered exoskeleton systems. Once that happens shit is going to get interesting real fast. Only if someone figures out energy shields. I WANT MY HALO ARMOR, DAMMIT! 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:57:18 PM EDT
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The G11 actually did work, contrary to the rumors. Fit for service... Probably not. But it functioned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Like the H&K G11? Yes but it will actually work. The G11 actually did work, contrary to the rumors. Fit for service... Probably not. But it functioned. Ammo had issues Mechanism was a cookoo clock Careless ammo had a decent chance with bolt action hunting rifles like from blaser, but it didn't really have any advantages except for gumming up tight actions quickly in outdoor conditions. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:58:46 PM EDT
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LOL someone doesn't know about he functions of a case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Semi caseless ammo will be the future. The case would end just about wheree case head separation occures, the cartidge would then headspace off this, it would use a standard type primer and the new cartidge would use a propellant that will not fire under heat only from the primers pressure eleminating the cook off problem the g11 had. The case head would also help remove some heat from the chamber, less ejection errors will ocure due to the reduced surface area of the case. The advantages would be less weight, potentially higher performance and lower cost. LOL someone doesn't know about he functions of a case. gas seal mostly, the lower section near the head takes all the abuse, they do remove some heat also. designed correctly I can't see why you need more case then what takes abuse. Polymer cases function, caseless functioned. kinda poorly but they do work. why not a hybrid system? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:58:51 PM EDT
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Only if someone figures out energy shields. I WANT MY HALO ARMOR, DAMMIT! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm thinking not much is going to change until Lockheed can get one of their new-fangled fusion reactors small & light enough to be carried by one of those powered exoskeleton systems. Once that happens shit is going to get interesting real fast. Only if someone figures out energy shields. I WANT MY HALO ARMOR, DAMMIT! Fawk yeah!...I mean it.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:00:20 PM EDT
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Heat seeking boolits
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:03:43 PM EDT
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gas seal mostly, the lower section near the head takes all the abuse, they do remove some heat also. designed correctly I can't see why you need more case then what takes abuse. Polymer cases function, caseless functioned. kinda poorly but they do work. why not a hybrid system? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Semi caseless ammo will be the future. The case would end just about wheree case head separation occures, the cartidge would then headspace off this, it would use a standard type primer and the new cartidge would use a propellant that will not fire under heat only from the primers pressure eleminating the cook off problem the g11 had. The case head would also help remove some heat from the chamber, less ejection errors will ocure due to the reduced surface area of the case. The advantages would be less weight, potentially higher performance and lower cost. LOL someone doesn't know about he functions of a case. gas seal mostly, the lower section near the head takes all the abuse, they do remove some heat also. designed correctly I can't see why you need more case then what takes abuse. Polymer cases function, caseless functioned. kinda poorly but they do work. why not a hybrid system? Remind me again why PCA went out of business? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:10:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:16:06 PM EDT
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LSAT set to burst Your pre-edit post was more interesting, but its my understanding that that ammo cannot be reloaded/hand loaded, so civilian acceptance will be slow, if it ever happens. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:27:32 PM EDT
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Semi caseless ammo will be the future. The case would end just about wheree case head separation occures, the cartidge would then headspace off this, it would use a standard type primer and the new cartidge would use a propellant that will not fire under heat only from the primers pressure eleminating the cook off problem the g11 had. The case head would also help remove some heat from the chamber, less ejection errors will ocure due to the reduced surface area of the case. The advantages would be less weight, potentially higher performance and lower cost. LOL someone doesn't know about he functions of a case. gas seal mostly, the lower section near the head takes all the abuse, they do remove some heat also. designed correctly I can't see why you need more case then what takes abuse. Polymer cases function, caseless functioned. kinda poorly but they do work. why not a hybrid system? Remind me again why PCA went out of business? I get what your saying, but they designed ammo for cartridges in use, rather then creating a cartridge that would work with the ammo. and its not really the same as I'm thinking, where you'd use the bottom portion of the case that takes the most abuse and would create a adequate seal, and only use that, the rest of the case would consist of the propellant. I mean, why not, its a fun topic in GD, not like I'm standing in front of a bunch of investors, the reality is in our lifetimes nothing is going to come around and unseat the standard cartridge as we know it.. any other advances will be in cost and material saving measures. that's reality and fucking boring. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:32:15 PM EDT
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Ammo had issues Mechanism was a cookoo clock Careless ammo had a decent chance with bolt action hunting rifles like from blaser, but it didn't really have any advantages except for gumming up tight actions quickly in outdoor conditions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Like the H&K G11? Yes but it will actually work. The G11 actually did work, contrary to the rumors. Fit for service... Probably not. But it functioned. Ammo had issues Mechanism was a cookoo clock Careless ammo had a decent chance with bolt action hunting rifles like from blaser, but it didn't really have any advantages except for gumming up tight actions quickly in outdoor conditions. At the end of the G11 program, the ammunition appears to have been worked out. There were shitloads of issues earlier in the program. HITP fixed most of them. Yes, the gun was excessively complicated. But the claims that it "didn't work" are massive exaggerations. The faults of the G11, were mostly the G11, not its last-iteration ammunition. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:37:04 PM EDT
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My personal thoughts are aerosolized propellents. Lots of technological problems to overcome, like sealing, and being able to unload the weapon. But imagine as you pull the trigger a perfect air fuel mixture is injected into the chamber, different velocities, compensation for altitude and temperature, as well as bullet weight. Supposedly it's the next evolution in tank rounds, no reason not to scale it down.
Think Fuel Air explosive in your gun. Maybe electronics to take care of loading and and everything else, maybe some functions recoil operated. I've thought long and hard about this one but there are really just safety issues to overcome. I think I could make a muzzle/breach loader that worked on the concept. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:37:25 PM EDT
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Your pre-edit post was more interesting, but its my understanding that that ammo cannot be reloaded/hand loaded, so civilian acceptance will be slow, if it ever happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LSAT set to burst Your pre-edit post was more interesting, but its my understanding that that ammo cannot be reloaded/hand loaded, so civilian acceptance will be slow, if it ever happens. The tech providers didn't seem to know the answers to my questions on cartridge specifics. They did make sure to collect every piece of empty "brass" they possibly could for longevity research. From what I gathered, there's nothing physically preventing reloading the spent cases, it's just a specialized press. So I see no reason you couldn't reload them. Even if you can't reload them, they did say that the cost per empty case was less than 1/12th of a cent. So as long as you have the press, just buy new cases instead of reloading old ones. You'd still be way cheaper than brass once supply got out there. IIRC they contracted the ammo for our experiment from Fiocchi, so the tooling obviously wasn't too hard to work up. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:38:44 PM EDT
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I get what your saying, but they designed ammo for cartridges in use, rather then creating a cartridge that would work with the ammo. and its not really the same as I'm thinking, where you'd use the bottom portion of the case that takes the most abuse and would create a adequate seal, and only use that, the rest of the case would consist of the propellant. I mean, why not, its a fun topic in GD, not like I'm standing in front of a bunch of investors, the reality is in our lifetimes nothing is going to come around and unseat the standard cartridge as we know it.. any other advances will be in cost and material saving measures. that's reality and fucking boring. LSAT combines the advantages of caseless and cased ammo. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:39:32 PM EDT
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My personal thoughts are aerosolized propellents. Lots of technological problems to overcome, like sealing, and being able to unload the weapon. But imagine as you pull the trigger a perfect air fuel mixture is injected into the chamber, different velocities, compensation for altitude and temperature, as well as bullet weight. Supposedly it's the next evolution in tank rounds, no reason not to scale it down. Think Fuel Air explosive in your gun. Maybe electronics to take care of loading and and everything else, maybe some functions recoil operated. I've thought long and hard about this one but there are really just safety issues to overcome. I think I could make a muzzle/breach loader that worked on the concept. How do explosives generate power? There's your problem. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:40:11 PM EDT
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Electric fired projectiles.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:43:16 PM EDT
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The tech providers didn't seem to know the answers to my questions on cartridge specifics. They did make sure to collect every piece of empty "brass" they possibly could for longevity research. From what I gathered, there's nothing physically preventing reloading the spent cases, it's just a specialized press. So I see no reason you couldn't reload them. Even if you can't reload them, they did say that the cost per empty case was less than 1/12th of a cent. So as long as you have the press, just buy new cases instead of reloading old ones. You'd still be way cheaper than brass once supply got out there. IIRC they contracted the ammo for our experiment from Fiocchi, so the tooling obviously wasn't too hard to work up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LSAT set to burst Your pre-edit post was more interesting, but its my understanding that that ammo cannot be reloaded/hand loaded, so civilian acceptance will be slow, if it ever happens. The tech providers didn't seem to know the answers to my questions on cartridge specifics. They did make sure to collect every piece of empty "brass" they possibly could for longevity research. From what I gathered, there's nothing physically preventing reloading the spent cases, it's just a specialized press. So I see no reason you couldn't reload them. Even if you can't reload them, they did say that the cost per empty case was less than 1/12th of a cent. So as long as you have the press, just buy new cases instead of reloading old ones. You'd still be way cheaper than brass once supply got out there. IIRC they contracted the ammo for our experiment from Fiocchi, so the tooling obviously wasn't too hard to work up. Interesting. I would imagine different bullet weights/types would only be produced by a major manufacturer. If I could get a LSAT AR in either 75gr Amax 223 or 6.5mm 123gr, I would have significant reason to replace my current rifles/loadings. But I would imagine that that could be as simple as an upper/mag swap. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:43:44 PM EDT
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Eh normal ammo works just as well and will kill things all the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Not for the peasants, of course Eh normal ammo works just as well and will kill things all the same. Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:46:14 PM EDT
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I get what your saying, but they designed ammo for cartridges in use, rather then creating a cartridge that would work with the ammo. and its not really the same as I'm thinking, where you'd use the bottom portion of the case that takes the most abuse and would create a adequate seal, and only use that, the rest of the case would consist of the propellant. I mean, why not, its a fun topic in GD, not like I'm standing in front of a bunch of investors, the reality is in our lifetimes nothing is going to come around and unseat the standard cartridge as we know it.. any other advances will be in cost and material saving measures. that's reality and fucking boring. LSAT combines the advantages of caseless and cased ammo. Yep, in addition to some great features of the weapon itself. Caveman simple to operate/strip/clean, with a PEQ-15, ACOG, surefire, suppressor and 200 round nutsack its lighter than an empty 249, almost no fouling even after firing blanks, stays cooler than the 249, select fire, 2.5 times the basic load of a 249 for the same weight in ammo, and the damn thing recoils DOWN and forward. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's really cool. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:48:20 PM EDT
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Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Not for the peasants, of course Eh normal ammo works just as well and will kill things all the same. Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. What about a tracking point like system with a ballistic liberty for ammo so you do not have to use high grade match ammo? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:49:25 PM EDT
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Yep, in addition to some great features of the weapon itself. Caveman simple to operate/strip/clean, with a PEQ-15, ACOG, surefire, suppressor and 200 round nutsack its lighter than an empty 249, almost no fouling even after firing blanks, stays cooler than the 249, select fire, 2.5 times the basic load of a 249 for the same weight in ammo, and the damn thing recoils DOWN and forward. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get what your saying, but they designed ammo for cartridges in use, rather then creating a cartridge that would work with the ammo. and its not really the same as I'm thinking, where you'd use the bottom portion of the case that takes the most abuse and would create a adequate seal, and only use that, the rest of the case would consist of the propellant. I mean, why not, its a fun topic in GD, not like I'm standing in front of a bunch of investors, the reality is in our lifetimes nothing is going to come around and unseat the standard cartridge as we know it.. any other advances will be in cost and material saving measures. that's reality and fucking boring. LSAT combines the advantages of caseless and cased ammo. Yep, in addition to some great features of the weapon itself. Caveman simple to operate/strip/clean, with a PEQ-15, ACOG, surefire, suppressor and 200 round nutsack its lighter than an empty 249, almost no fouling even after firing blanks, stays cooler than the 249, select fire, 2.5 times the basic load of a 249 for the same weight in ammo, and the damn thing recoils DOWN and forward. Add in the future of integrated accessories (accessories designed in as a part of the weapon, not picatinny rail or mount weight/batteries in stock powering it all) and you've got a great thing going on. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:51:04 PM EDT
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Fleshlight Stock.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:51:23 PM EDT
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I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Not for the peasants, of course Eh normal ammo works just as well and will kill things all the same. Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. What about a tracking point like system with a ballistic liberty for ammo so you do not have to use high grade match ammo? I^2/thermal/reflex/magnified fusion is coming, ballistically compensating optics aren't, in a .mil setting. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:54:08 PM EDT
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No real Earth shattering changes. Only viable change I can see is Optics and Projectiles.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:54:40 PM EDT
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Interesting. I would imagine different bullet weights/types would only be produced by a major manufacturer. If I could get a LSAT AR in either 75gr Amax 223 or 6.5mm 123gr, I would have significant reason to replace my current rifles/loadings. But I would imagine that that could be as simple as an upper/mag swap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LSAT set to burst Your pre-edit post was more interesting, but its my understanding that that ammo cannot be reloaded/hand loaded, so civilian acceptance will be slow, if it ever happens. The tech providers didn't seem to know the answers to my questions on cartridge specifics. They did make sure to collect every piece of empty "brass" they possibly could for longevity research. From what I gathered, there's nothing physically preventing reloading the spent cases, it's just a specialized press. So I see no reason you couldn't reload them. Even if you can't reload them, they did say that the cost per empty case was less than 1/12th of a cent. So as long as you have the press, just buy new cases instead of reloading old ones. You'd still be way cheaper than brass once supply got out there. IIRC they contracted the ammo for our experiment from Fiocchi, so the tooling obviously wasn't too hard to work up. Interesting. I would imagine different bullet weights/types would only be produced by a major manufacturer. If I could get a LSAT AR in either 75gr Amax 223 or 6.5mm 123gr, I would have significant reason to replace my current rifles/loadings. But I would imagine that that could be as simple as an upper/mag swap. We only shot 62gr M855 projectiles and blanks when we had them, but the tech guys said they have AP, tracer, and a heavy weight "match" projectile also. Our input was that we'd kill for the same tech in a 7.62/240B flavor, their response was that it's in the works. So the tech is there, now it just needs to get into civilian hands so it can be tinkered and perfected. Handloaders in their basement will develop this stuff wayyyyy faster and cheaper than a Govt lab, they just need to get their hands on it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:57:15 PM EDT
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I get what your saying, but they designed ammo for cartridges in use, rather then creating a cartridge that would work with the ammo. and its not really the same as I'm thinking, where you'd use the bottom portion of the case that takes the most abuse and would create a adequate seal, and only use that, the rest of the case would consist of the propellant. I mean, why not, its a fun topic in GD, not like I'm standing in front of a bunch of investors, the reality is in our lifetimes nothing is going to come around and unseat the standard cartridge as we know it.. any other advances will be in cost and material saving measures. that's reality and fucking boring. LSAT combines the advantages of caseless and cased ammo. huh. never seen or heard of that stuff before. and it looks pretty fucking awesome..
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:01:20 PM EDT
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When suppressors are taken off the NFA/NFA is destroyed what do you think will be the improvements?
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:01:43 PM EDT
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We only shot 62gr M855 projectiles and blanks when we had them, but the tech guys said they have AP, tracer, and a heavy weight "match" projectile also. Our input was that we'd kill for the same tech in a 7.62/240B flavor, their response was that it's in the works. So the tech is there, now it just needs to get into civilian hands so it can be tinkered and perfected. Handloaders in their basement will develop this stuff wayyyyy faster and cheaper than a Govt lab, they just need to get their hands on it. Take the AR platform, convert to 6.5mm LSAT, integrate the SAR-21 style fused handguards, and a fused I^2/thermal/reflex/magnified optic, and you'd have some next level shit.  No small arm in the world would compare.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:02:26 PM EDT
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What are some of the things we will see in Suppressors? When suppressors are taken off the NFA/NFA is destroyed what do you think will be the improvements? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:02:28 PM EDT
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huh. never seen or heard of that stuff before. and it looks pretty fucking awesome.. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:03:50 PM EDT
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When suppressors are taken off the NFA/NFA is destroyed what do you think will be the improvements? OSS is the future of suppression in .mil enviroments. Factor in 3d Inconel printing, and add to the concept I've been yammering about, and 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:03:51 PM EDT
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Take the AR platform, convert to 6.5mm LSAT, integrate the SAR-21 style fused handguards, and a fused I^2/thermal/reflex/magnified optic, and you'd have some next level shit. No small arm in the world would compare.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We only shot 62gr M855 projectiles and blanks when we had them, but the tech guys said they have AP, tracer, and a heavy weight "match" projectile also. Our input was that we'd kill for the same tech in a 7.62/240B flavor, their response was that it's in the works. So the tech is there, now it just needs to get into civilian hands so it can be tinkered and perfected. Handloaders in their basement will develop this stuff wayyyyy faster and cheaper than a Govt lab, they just need to get their hands on it. Take the AR platform, convert to 6.5mm LSAT, integrate the SAR-21 style fused handguards, and a fused I^2/thermal/reflex/magnified optic, and you'd have some next level shit. No small arm in the world would compare.What about using Sabot Ammo? |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:04:56 PM EDT
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possibly something ....ELECTRICAL
bluetooth controlled triggers ? voice command trigger? or maybe just ......sharks with fricking laser beams on their heads 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:05:28 PM EDT
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My personal thoughts are aerosolized propellents. Lots of technological problems to overcome, like sealing, and being able to unload the weapon. But imagine as you pull the trigger a perfect air fuel mixture is injected into the chamber, different velocities, compensation for altitude and temperature, as well as bullet weight. Supposedly it's the next evolution in tank rounds, no reason not to scale it down. Think Fuel Air explosive in your gun. Maybe electronics to take care of loading and and everything else, maybe some functions recoil operated. I've thought long and hard about this one but there are really just safety issues to overcome. I think I could make a muzzle/breach loader that worked on the concept. For some reason this concept makes me think of every potato gun fail video I've seen. It would be extremely complicated and I wouldnt trust the pressures in the combustion chamber that close to my face. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I guess the closest logical next step will be caseless ammunition. Not for the peasants, of course Eh normal ammo works just as well and will kill things all the same. Caseless ammo will never happen in a military application. it overheats the firearm too much when fired rapidly and no one is going to want to buy a weapon that requires a cooling system built into it. The brass acts as a heat sink and draws heat away from the firearm with ever shot. caseless ammo however leaves everything inside the weapons system. I think the next be leap in small arms will be new projectiles and more precise ammo. I also think we will start to more blended technology optics coming out cheaper and cheaper. In another decade I expect to see a since optic out for under $2k that has both color, thermal, and nightvision overlays with the ability to switch from no zoom to some form of magnified optics. it's logical progression really. We did it with cell phones, replacing computers, cameras, phones, phone books, music players, and so on with a single device. I foresee us replacing CCO's, magnified optics, night vision, and thermal in the same manner. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:07:17 PM EDT
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Like the one Hornady has had out for over a year now? http://www.hornady.com/store/223-Rem-gr-NTX/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some new propellant along with a recoil absorption device that enables the shooter to fire a projectile in excess of 4000 fps http://www.hornady.com/store/223-Rem-gr-NTX/ Quoted:
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Some new propellant along with a recoil absorption device that enables the shooter to fire a projectile in excess of 4000 fps Winchester called. They said you're about 79 years late. 
http://www.norma.cc/link/376fe611aee6465e88b6a97c7ccb1a09.aspx?id=3110&epslanguage=en-US You both missed the part about the recoil absorption. Something about 20 times more effective than what the KRISS did. Oh and the projectile has to be 75 grain or heavier. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:08:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:09:09 PM EDT
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What are some of the things we will see in Suppressors? When suppressors are taken off the NFA/NFA is destroyed what do you think will be the improvements? we'll need new high tech ear muffs to cancel out liberal crying. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't they banned? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's really cool. Aren't they banned? I have some really really vague memory of something about a electronic trigger being banned. Or maybe it's just deja vu. I know you cannot build robots to be platforms for a gun because it becomes a "machine gun". So I wouldn't be surprised if a device that operated the weapon without complete human control would have the ATF going in fits. |
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