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Posted: 6/5/2014 10:44:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:59:09 PM EDT
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I built a better shelter over the wood, and it's completely open on the sides to let air through. Whenever a breeze flows through the wood, cold air comes out the downwind side. It must be all the water evaporating and causing cooling. It's quite a difference from the ambient temperature.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:23:02 AM EDT
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That is an impressive machine! Makes you want to run out and order one doesn't it? 
Damn living in this video age. 
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:38:55 AM EDT
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Damn thats alot of wood.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:44:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. I didn't even know there were trees in Indiana. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:53:28 AM EDT
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I hope you have a jointer and planer and lots of blades. Very nice. Once it's all dry I'm going to buy a planer. They have them at Home Depot for $400. Not gonna do it all at once, though, just as I need them probably. At that price you're talking about a benchtop planer. I'm on my third, and I seriously doubt that I've planed a thousand board feet total. And that was only taking a 1/16" of of already sawmill planed lumber in order to bring it down to an exact 3/4". My advice would be to get a Rigid and make sure you save the UPC and file the warranty paper work within the time limit. You're going to need it. So . . . the benchtop planers aren't designed for so much wood, but if I get the full warranty I can get as many replacements as I need for the wood I have? You're going to need a jointer and planer. The jointer cuts the side it rides on flush. The planer cuts the opposite side it rides on flush. That is a lot of wood to do in a table top unit. I'm guessing you're looking at the 12.5" models, right? Make certain it comes with feed tables or build your own. You'd better start with the crappiest piece you have until you work out how to prevent snipe. I have a large grizzly jointer that doesn't snipe at all and the large 4 post dewalt planer that acts like it's job is to snipe. I usually end up finishing on my drum sander to get rid of the planer snipe and end with a finish ready for furniture. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 12:35:38 PM EDT
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That Persimmon wood is some hard stuff. It makes pretty furniture or cabinets.
eta check with the local high schools and trade schools to get your wood planed. They might do it for a donation. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 12:40:10 PM EDT
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You're going to need a jointer and planer. The jointer cuts the side it rides on flush. The planer cuts the opposite side it rides on flush. That is a lot of wood to do in a table top unit. I'm guessing you're looking at the 12.5" models, right? Make certain it comes with feed tables or build your own. You'd better start with the crappiest piece you have until you work out how to prevent snipe. I have a large grizzly jointer that doesn't snipe at all and the large 4 post dewalt planer that acts like it's job is to snipe. I usually end up finishing on my drum sander to get rid of the planer snipe and end with a finish ready for furniture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope you have a jointer and planer and lots of blades. Very nice. Once it's all dry I'm going to buy a planer. They have them at Home Depot for $400. Not gonna do it all at once, though, just as I need them probably. At that price you're talking about a benchtop planer. I'm on my third, and I seriously doubt that I've planed a thousand board feet total. And that was only taking a 1/16" of of already sawmill planed lumber in order to bring it down to an exact 3/4". My advice would be to get a Rigid and make sure you save the UPC and file the warranty paper work within the time limit. You're going to need it. So . . . the benchtop planers aren't designed for so much wood, but if I get the full warranty I can get as many replacements as I need for the wood I have? You're going to need a jointer and planer. The jointer cuts the side it rides on flush. The planer cuts the opposite side it rides on flush. That is a lot of wood to do in a table top unit. I'm guessing you're looking at the 12.5" models, right? Make certain it comes with feed tables or build your own. You'd better start with the crappiest piece you have until you work out how to prevent snipe. I have a large grizzly jointer that doesn't snipe at all and the large 4 post dewalt planer that acts like it's job is to snipe. I usually end up finishing on my drum sander to get rid of the planer snipe and end with a finish ready for furniture. It seems like from what I've seen, wood gains a lot of value if it's planed, but may I can sell most of it unplaned and just plane the stuff I want to use. I definitely like your idea of starting with the crappiest piece to get the hang of it. I've learned through a lot of experience that that's always the best way to go when trying something new. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:01:04 PM EDT
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Very nice OP, it will smell good around your house for the next few days.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:49:41 PM EDT
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Harry homeowners who want one or two boards buy surfaced wood. They're generally tire kickers and take up 30 minutes with questions and concerns. Then they want help tying it to the top of their minivan or camry. They may also be back because you sold them a board that warped on their garage floor over the last 8 weeks and now they want a new board.
Guys who buy rough cut 4/4 or 6/4 generally show up with cash in hand and a truck big enough for the job. You point to the stack and give them the price and they're back on the road since to them time is money. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 2:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat thing is amazing. 
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Posted: 6/7/2014 2:33:14 PM EDT
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OP, you willing to part with any? Need roofing for sons treehouse in Bloomington
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Posted: 6/7/2014 3:32:20 PM EDT
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OP, you willing to part with any? Need roofing for sons treehouse in Bloomington Sure, I'm not going to need it all. It's not seasoned yet though. Not free though 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:51:52 PM EDT
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After studying the current kitchen cabinets and doing some online research, I decided to see if I could build a cabinet, which I will need for the house I'm working on. I figured if I could build it myself I'd save thousands of dollars. I've never built furniture before, but it's working out pretty well. There was quite a learning curve, but I'm starting to get the hang of it. I've been working on it for about 5 days so far, and it's almost finished.
Except for the bottom, sides and the drawer bottoms, it's all white oak from the trees I had sawn, planed with my Dewalt planer. I also used a miter saw, table saw, table router and drill. For the cabinet door I used the router to make a tongue-in-groove since I don't have any boards wide enough to use a single piece. The fitting isn't perfect, but it's so tight that I don't need any glue or nails. 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:55:18 PM EDT
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Looks good.
Nice wood. Patience. You have it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:56:52 PM EDT
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That wood was standing six weeks ago?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:03:30 PM EDT
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That wood was standing six weeks ago? That was my first thought too. IIRC I mentioned that a couple weeks ago. Too soon, OP--FAR too soon. You are in for some ugly learning. 
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Beautiful, OP! 
Personally I would pay to have it kiln dried and planed. You CANNOT dry it as you have it stacked, as water will run underneath and cause mold. You do know how long it takes to properly air dry, right? If not, you REALLY need to find out--and that's under proper conditions.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:04:17 PM EDT
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That wood was standing six weeks ago? Well, it's been air-drying for about 50 days in the hot summer weather. It's not totally dry, but it seems to be dry enough. I made a test face frame of 3/4th inch planed wood two weeks ago, and it has been drying in the dry air of the house since then, and everything still looks tight and straight. We'll see I guess. If the wood warps or something, at least building it gave me a lot of experience. So far it looks fine, and some of the wood has been planed and screwed together for about two weeks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:04:46 PM EDT
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I sure hope that isn't the wood you just cut.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:05:48 PM EDT
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You need to determine the moisture content before you start cutting into it. 50 days is not enough time at all
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:08:22 PM EDT
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We air dry for 90 days then put it in the kiln for a few weeks to a month
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:10:53 PM EDT
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You need a Lehigh dovetail jig for those drawer frames OP. Makes for a much stronger drawer that will stay together. Don't kid yourself about the T&G fitment, it needs glue in that application. If you were making T&G planks for a wall or ceiling cover you could get away with no glue but for a cabinet door you definitely need it. Glue it up, clamp until it cures then sand to finish. You'll thank me later.
Other than my words of criticism, I applaud you. Nice job, the rest will be easier and you will have something to be proud of. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:13:58 PM EDT
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Looks great, just hope the wood was dry enough!
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:18:16 PM EDT
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I hope your sticks are dry and you aren't really covering it with a tarp are you? I have the stack covered with two sheets of plywood raised in the middle for a sloped roof, and that is covered in a tarp. It lets air up underneath the roof and keeps all the water out. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:23:06 PM EDT
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Spend the extra for full extension drawer slides. Those cheapo ones will bring down the overall look of quality.
Really nice work by the way. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:49:38 PM EDT
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Pretty cool. In for updates.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:00:55 PM EDT
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I sure hope that isn't the wood you just cut. No kidding! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:06:36 PM EDT
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I'm curious about how long the spliced door will hang together under friction.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:07:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, that'd get my attention. My personal phobia is having a router bit shed a chunk of carbide at my stomach. Actually, I'm pretty much terrified every time I turn on the TS, RAS, or a router. But what really scares me is that I might not be terrified enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm on my fifth year with a 13" Rigid planer and it still works like new. I've used it to mill wainscoting for 3 rooms and lots of other projects with no issues whatsoever. My previous planer was a 12" DELTA that tossed a blade and self-destructed after I had owned it for only a couple of years. Luckily the safety mechanisms contained the broken blade and the only casualties were the planer and my underwear...but the planer was a total loss. That's good to know, thank you. Also nice to know that I'm not the only person who can't correctly spell the name of his own tools. 
BTW, having a planer blow up within a few inches of your face is a memorable experience to say the least...
Yeah, that'd get my attention. My personal phobia is having a router bit shed a chunk of carbide at my stomach. Actually, I'm pretty much terrified every time I turn on the TS, RAS, or a router. But what really scares me is that I might not be terrified enough. The shaper scares the crap out of me. RAS can be iffy too, especially ripping with it. I would not do that again. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:29:47 PM EDT
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The shaper scares the crap out of me. RAS can be iffy too, especially ripping with it. I would not do that again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm on my fifth year with a 13" Rigid planer and it still works like new. I've used it to mill wainscoting for 3 rooms and lots of other projects with no issues whatsoever. My previous planer was a 12" DELTA that tossed a blade and self-destructed after I had owned it for only a couple of years. Luckily the safety mechanisms contained the broken blade and the only casualties were the planer and my underwear...but the planer was a total loss. That's good to know, thank you. Also nice to know that I'm not the only person who can't correctly spell the name of his own tools.
BTW, having a planer blow up within a few inches of your face is a memorable experience to say the least...
Yeah, that'd get my attention. My personal phobia is having a router bit shed a chunk of carbide at my stomach. Actually, I'm pretty much terrified every time I turn on the TS, RAS, or a router. But what really scares me is that I might not be terrified enough. The shaper scares the crap out of me. RAS can be iffy too, especially ripping with it. I would not do that again. I don't have a shaper; I do my "shaping" with a PC 7518 in a table, but those big panel raising bits... <shudder> I've never used a RAS for ripping, but, yeah, those suckers will self-feed something fierce. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 3:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No kidding! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I sure hope that isn't the wood you just cut. No kidding! In before the next thread " All my F%$#ing Drawers don't close."
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:25:28 PM EDT
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too soon, go to lowes and see if they have a moisture meter.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_78059-56005-MMD4E_0__?productId=3136919 7–8 percent can be used in furniture and other applications within a heated building. Cabinets do look good.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 8:36:09 PM EDT
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Tagged so I can see how long it'd take before the cabinet doesn't look good anymore.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:35:27 AM EDT
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Tagged so I can see how long it'd take before the cabinet doesn't look good anymore. September ought to do it. "Dry enough" 
Sorry in advance for your loss, OP. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:00:47 AM EDT
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OP, you need to invest in a $30 moisture meter from Amazon.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:12:58 AM EDT
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You will want to get some paint on the ends of the boards as soon as possible. (may already be too late) The ends will dry very quickly and the ends of the boards will split if you don't slow down the drying with paint.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:29:46 AM EDT
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That's not a log...THIS is a log... <a href="http://s46.photobucket.com/user/WeeTodd/media/DSC_2848_zpsf7f645cb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/WeeTodd/DSC_2848_zpsf7f645cb.jpg</a> <a href="http://s46.photobucket.com/user/WeeTodd/media/DSC_2850_zps9fa67523.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/WeeTodd/DSC_2850_zps9fa67523.jpg</a> 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:03:02 AM EDT
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OP, you might want to look at a Kreg pocket hole jig to do your face frame joinery. This would do you nicely. There are cheaper versions, but by the time you get the other stuff you need, the cost is about the same.
ETA: Not criticizing what you've done, but it would have been way easier, quicker, and stronger if it were pocket screwed. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:17:08 AM EDT
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OP, you might want to look at a Kreg pocket hole jig to do your face frame joinery. This would do you nicely. There are cheaper versions, but by the time you get the other stuff you need, the cost is about the same. Best advice in this thread. pj |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:20:12 AM EDT
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Tagged so I can see how long it'd take before the cabinet doesn't look good anymore. September ought to do it. "Dry enough"
Sorry in advance for your loss, OP. It's only a partial loss as long as he learns from it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:27:04 AM EDT
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When you're finished with it, and moving it to install, don't knock it off of your assembly bench.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:21:14 AM EDT
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When you're finished with it, and moving it to install, don't knock it off of your assembly bench. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/pj1016/vanitycrash2.jpg pj Yours? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:22:04 AM EDT
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yep
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:31:07 AM EDT
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Harry homeowners who want one or two boards buy surfaced wood. They're generally tire kickers and take up 30 minutes with questions and concerns. Then they want help tying it to the top of their minivan or camry. They may also be back because you sold them a board that warped on their garage floor over the last 8 weeks and now they want a new board. Guys who buy rough cut 4/4 or 6/4 generally show up with cash in hand and a truck big enough for the job. You point to the stack and give them the price and they're back on the road since to them time is money. You know what's worse? The guy at the lumber yard that doesn't know the meaning of "quarter sawn". But there's worse than that, the miller that doesn't give a crap. But if you're selling dimensional lumber, I reckon the worst from that perspective is the customer that wants every board to be quarter sawn, no matter the project he's building. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:33:17 AM EDT
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yep I dropped a 60" wide, 78" (IIRC) entertainment center out of the back of a pickup truck at 60 miles an hour. Mercifully, there was no one behind me. A nice man stopped and helped me get it back in the truck. On the way to the county dump, I called the client and told her that it was going to be another week.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:34:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:38:53 AM EDT
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I dropped a 60" wide, 78" (IIRC) entertainment center out of the back of a pickup truck at 60 miles an hour. Mercifully, there was no one behind me. A nice man stopped and helped me get it back in the truck. On the way to the county dump, I called the client and told her that it was going to be another week.
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yep I dropped a 60" wide, 78" (IIRC) entertainment center out of the back of a pickup truck at 60 miles an hour. Mercifully, there was no one behind me. A nice man stopped and helped me get it back in the truck. On the way to the county dump, I called the client and told her that it was going to be another week.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:41:25 AM EDT
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You know what's worse? The guy at the lumber yard that doesn't know the meaning of "quarter sawn". But there's worse than that, the miller that doesn't give a crap. But if you're selling dimensional lumber, I reckon the worst from that perspective is the customer that wants every board to be quarter sawn, no matter the project he's building. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Harry homeowners who want one or two boards buy surfaced wood. They're generally tire kickers and take up 30 minutes with questions and concerns. Then they want help tying it to the top of their minivan or camry. They may also be back because you sold them a board that warped on their garage floor over the last 8 weeks and now they want a new board. Guys who buy rough cut 4/4 or 6/4 generally show up with cash in hand and a truck big enough for the job. You point to the stack and give them the price and they're back on the road since to them time is money. You know what's worse? The guy at the lumber yard that doesn't know the meaning of "quarter sawn". But there's worse than that, the miller that doesn't give a crap. But if you're selling dimensional lumber, I reckon the worst from that perspective is the customer that wants every board to be quarter sawn, no matter the project he's building. I always try to pick wood appropriate to the use. I've whined until the guys broke another bundle if I needed straight wood for raised panel door rails and stiles, but I've taken stuff with a two inch bow in eight feet for cabinet stiles. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:44:15 AM EDT
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yep I dropped a 60" wide, 78" (IIRC) entertainment center out of the back of a pickup truck at 60 miles an hour. Mercifully, there was no one behind me. A nice man stopped and helped me get it back in the truck. On the way to the county dump, I called the client and told her that it was going to be another week.
Don'tcha just love making things twice?
pj In some ways, I don't mind, because I've never done a job that I didn't think I could have done better with a retry. Checking account thinks it sucks though.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:52:23 AM EDT
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In some ways, I don't mind, because I've never done a job that I didn't think I could have done better with a retry. Checking account thinks it sucks though.
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. In some ways, I don't mind, because I've never done a job that I didn't think I could have done better with a retry. Checking account thinks it sucks though.
If you are in business making stuff of this type a thread with some examples would no doubt be appreciated by many of us.
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