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Why practice? Shoot an innocent unarmed person. Get a vacation, get paid, and nothing happens to you. Business as usual. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Possibly a case of "when you're trained like a hammer, everything looks like a nail" to the point where screws and pegs get hamhmered simply by instinct. View Quote |
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More true than you know.... and the fastest way for a cop to end up on the shit list/ unemployed is to question training or policy issues. BTDT, still employed but on the shit list for the rest of eternity. Still employed because I actually DID follow CoC, and they realized I was right. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Possibly a case of "when you're trained like a hammer, everything looks like a nail" to the point where screws and pegs get hamhmered simply by instinct. Just jamming someone up / diverting blame. |
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This goes along with the comments I've seen where range administrators, or police leadership, give the expectation that they don't want the officers to train too much for fear they will potentially be labeled by defense attorneys as "gun obsessed killer culture" in a shooting trial. I've hear this personally from one man who ran one, and from another man who trains police dept's. When I've mentioend it on ARF, it has been affirmed by others as their experience as well.
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No good deed goes unpunished. Also, any time you interface with the cops and a gun is involved, someone has an excellent shot at being shot. Cops can be jumpy around shootings, go figure.
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Mr. Noir penned a stupid missive wondering if Philando Castille wouldn't have gotten shot if he was white. Because, you know, white people never get accidentally shot by the police or incorrectly perceived as a threat by the police. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: can you expand? genuinely curious Because, you know, white people never get accidentally shot by the police or incorrectly perceived as a threat by the police. Philando Castile - Media Fans Flames Of Racism |
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50 cent...
ETA: this post lost all hilarity, I meant to quote the "who would rob a dollar store" remark. |
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This goes along with the comments I've seen where range administrators, or police leadership, give the expectation that they don't want the officers to train too much for fear they will potentially be labeled by defense attorneys as "gun obsessed killer culture" in a shooting trial. I've hear this personally from one man who ran one, and from another man who trains police dept's. When I've mentioend it on ARF, it has been affirmed by others as their experience as well. View Quote The thought process was they don't want you using some technique you learned in some class that has not been vetted by official LE channels because then if you use it and get sued it's difficult to prove it is LE certified. |
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It boils down to this:
Police are, for the most part, poorly trained. They are held to dogshit standards (sometimes enforced by court orders because actual standards are "discriminatory") that would be considered deplorable for just about any other profession. In most states it takes more training time to become a fucking barber than it does to be someone who is issued a lethal weapon and arrest powers. Baltimore just had 1/3 of its latest recruit class fail the final exams to become a police officer...but fuck it, we'll put them on the street anyway: https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesmatter/news/1-3-baltimore-recruits-fail-final-academy-tests-so-they-get-rid-of-it-J81uinRV6kO2zEkquwm9aw It is virtually guaranteed that the vast majority of those who failed those exams are women and/or racial minorities. But fuck it, put them on the street anyway. So here you have these poorly trained, poorly prepared individuals shoved into literally lethal situations. Situations full of ambiguity and bad information where they don't know who the good guys and bad guys are. Their training has been mostly dogshit. They know this. Because the second you are confronted with actual danger you can't fucking Stuart Smalley your way into handling it. You cannot bullshit yourself, not when shit gets real. So these poorly trained people who do not have the skills to prevail in a real fight find themselves facing a real fight or the possibility of a real fight and they are not confident their dogshit skills will see them through. This sets off a chain reaction of fucktardery. See, a prepared, well-trained individual stays in the rational part of his/her mind. When shit is going sideways and they have a plan for this, they stay on that plan and they stay in the part of their brain that is capable of rationally thinking through a problem. This is why we spend shitloads of money weeding out the unsuitable and repeatedly exposing pilots to every possible fucked up scenario imaginable...so that when shit happens they stick to the part of their brain that is capable of recognizing, understanding, and appropriately reacting to new information. We train combat medics by strapping down a pig, cutting its femoral artery and then making them actually stop the bleed. Why? Because the first time they experience arterial blood spray and a squirming squealing patient shouldn't be when a person's actual life is on the line. For the most part, WE DO NOT DO THIS WITH POLICE OFFICERS. We do not require them to demonstrate a high level of skill with a firearm before putting them on the street. We do not require them to demonstrate a high level of skill in combatives before putting them on the street. What scenario based training they do receive is often either far too soft with "red man" suits they hit weakly and get instant compliance from, or it's no-win scenarios that they end up shot with sims no matter what they do. So these poorly trained, poorly prepared people are staring down the barrel of a situation that they do not believe they can handle...and that shifts them out of that rational part of the brain into the lizard brain. That angry walnut-sized area of your brain at the base of it that is responsible for one thing: KEEP. YOU. ALIVE. If there is a gun in your hand when that part of your brain is all that is running, you will pull the trigger. A lot. And on the slightest provocation. Most citizens are there when they use a gun in self defense...but this doesn't pose too much of a problem because they are in that state because they are the victim of a criminal assault. There's no question about it. Dude stuck a gun in their face. It makes for a simple decision tree. Police officers are often in a very different circumstance. They have to go deal with potentially violent criminals without being the direct victim of hostility. And they have to routinely sort out the violent criminal actors from honest citizens who mean them no harm. When a situation starts to overwhelm them (which can be instantaneous) their panic program starts up and that thing on their hip isn't plan A or plan B or plan C, it's THE. PLAN. PERIOD. ...and so they shoot people. Sometimes people who need to be shot. Sometimes people who didn't need to be shot. And that's just the deliberate shootings. That doesn't even count the accidental shootings that result from dogshit gun handling that isn't corrected. I know of examples of police officers who fired a weapon accidentally, narrowly missing causing a fatal wound to another police officer, who received no discipline whatsoever for gross negligence in handling a lethal weapon because the admin types were worried about a discrimination lawsuit. You cannot have that kind of bullshit taking priority and still have competent professionals handling guns and potentially dangerous situations. The only reason it isn't 100 times worse is because most bad guys are fucking pussies. If even another 25% of criminals hardens the fuck up tomorrow society will be a fucking bloodbath. |
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This goes along with the comments I've seen where range administrators, or police leadership, give the expectation that they don't want the officers to train too much for fear they will potentially be labeled by defense attorneys as "gun obsessed killer culture" in a shooting trial. View Quote There are departments out there deliberately hiring "non-threatening" looking officers and avoiding teaching more effective combatives because they don't want to "send the wrong message" Police administrators, a significant number of them anyway, do not want to have actual fighters in their ranks. Because it is expensive and time consuming to make them, and because eventually those trained fighters are going to hurt somebody! The fact that hiring weak, timid, and utterly ineffectual dumbfucks and handing them the awesome responsibility of being a police officer turns into more shootings and injuries is fucking invisible to them. They wouldn't have been promoted to that position if they weren't company men and dogshit leaders. |
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I have no sound on my computer at the moment, so I cannot confirm it, but I think this is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3j34rJytl8 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I have no sound on my computer at the moment, so I cannot confirm it, but I think this is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3j34rJytl8 In The case of officer Jeronimo Yanez, I don’t feel he woke up that day wanting to shoot a black person. However, I keep asking myself, would he have done the same thing if Philando were white? As I put on my Monday morning quarterback Jersey, it is my opinion that Philando Castile should be alive today. I believe there was a better way to handle the initial stop. If he suspected Philando was a suspect in a robbery, there were ways to conduct that stop in a way that would have completely avoided the shooting altogether, but Yanez neglected to do so. |
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The lesson here is to never do the cops' job. Ever. You will regret it.
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Cops only shoot black people and all cops are racist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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$$$$$$$$$$ ca ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Anybody want to be his $$$$$$$$ ca ching$$$$$$$$ lawyer?
Actually thinking that a severe lack of information was given to the police. The LE may not be the bad guys, but the people responsible for "misinformation" or the lack thereof given to the LE. |
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From the article in the OP
Both Becker and the robber were wearing two different color jackets and while Becker is heavier, the gunman was much more slender. Becker complied with the orders to drop his weapon as the other man proceeded to fire at police.
John Syme, a spokesman with the Independence Police Department, would not say much on Saturday except that police responded to a call of an armed robber and that when they got there both men were armed. View Quote I hope Becker heals but I think it was a poor idea for him to run over and confront an armed robber at a place he wasn't originally in. I understand why he did it though. |
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Who robs a Dollar store anyway? View Quote |
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This goes along with the comments I've seen where range administrators, or police leadership, give the expectation that they don't want the officers to train too much for fear they will potentially be labeled by defense attorneys as "gun obsessed killer culture" in a shooting trial. I've hear this personally from one man who ran one, and from another man who trains police dept's. When I've mentioend it on ARF, it has been affirmed by others as their experience as well. View Quote ETA: You can thank these type of administrators for the old practice of handgun and shotgun are good enough for patrol officers, if the situation requires more than that everyone can wait for SWAT. |
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From the article in the OP I can see where the officer(s) on scene might have thought that Becker was was complicit in the armed robbery. Both were armed when they got there. I wonder what info was relayed to the police once they were on scene and giving him commands. Once the actual armed robber started shooting at the police, as reported in the article, it seems everything turned to crap. I hope Becker heals but I think it was a poor idea for him to run over and confront an armed robber at a place he wasn't originally in. I understand why he did it though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
From the article in the OP Both Becker and the robber were wearing two different color jackets and while Becker is heavier, the gunman was much more slender. Becker complied with the orders to drop his weapon as the other man proceeded to fire at police.
John Syme, a spokesman with the Independence Police Department, would not say much on Saturday except that police responded to a call of an armed robber and that when they got there both men were armed. I hope Becker heals but I think it was a poor idea for him to run over and confront an armed robber at a place he wasn't originally in. I understand why he did it though. |
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If you prosecute cops for shooting the wrong person, then people will stop wanting to be cops.
They ought to get at least two or three get-out-of-the-shit-they-got-themselves-into cards. Cops are only human. |
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Some administrations are afraid of appearing to create "gunslingers". I've seen a few in my time. ETA: You can thank these type of administrators for the old practice of handgun and shotgun are good enough for patrol officers, if the situation requires more than that everyone can wait for SWAT. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This goes along with the comments I've seen where range administrators, or police leadership, give the expectation that they don't want the officers to train too much for fear they will potentially be labeled by defense attorneys as "gun obsessed killer culture" in a shooting trial. I've hear this personally from one man who ran one, and from another man who trains police dept's. When I've mentioend it on ARF, it has been affirmed by others as their experience as well. ETA: You can thank these type of administrators for the old practice of handgun and shotgun are good enough for patrol officers, if the situation requires more than that everyone can wait for SWAT. [youtube]https://youtu.be/LIcI1UzoCIE[/youtube] |
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From the article in the OP Both Becker and the robber were wearing two different color jackets and while Becker is heavier, the gunman was much more slender. Becker complied with the orders to drop his weapon as the other man proceeded to fire at police.
John Syme, a spokesman with the Independence Police Department, would not say much on Saturday except that police responded to a call of an armed robber and that when they got there both men were armed. I hope Becker heals but I think it was a poor idea for him to run over and confront an armed robber at a place he wasn't originally in. I understand why he did it though. |
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If there's footage of him getting shot while empty-handed and has a good lawyer... maybe he does win the lotto eventually. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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