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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:13:25 AM EDT
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They bought out an exotic pet forum that I was a member of and the forum turned to shit after that. They shit the bed on moderators firing most of the ones on the board and bringing in outsiders that had no idea what was going on. They allowed shill accounts out the wazoo and then tripled the advertising rates for sponsors (most who were very supportive if the hobby) driving them off. Then they started charging to use the classifieds in addition to regular membership and free memberships couldn't see anything. That forum is mostly dead now and it isn't the first or last they have done that too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? They bought out an exotic pet forum that I was a member of and the forum turned to shit after that. They shit the bed on moderators firing most of the ones on the board and bringing in outsiders that had no idea what was going on. They allowed shill accounts out the wazoo and then tripled the advertising rates for sponsors (most who were very supportive if the hobby) driving them off. Then they started charging to use the classifieds in addition to regular membership and free memberships couldn't see anything. That forum is mostly dead now and it isn't the first or last they have done that too. Pretty much what happened to a forum I am a mod on, they kept 2 old mods, and the door has been opened so far it is the most fucked up and PC I have ever been on...I actually was the reason the added no politic shit in General discussions...still do it and tow the line with stuff like "I fly my flag because I can" and a couple captain Higgins stuff, they do not touch Memorial day or Veterans day though 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:15:21 AM EDT
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some large company bought out ls1tech years ago...i was a moderator there and it turned to crap
some other company bought out sniperhide and started charging...haven't been back having a board that is usually owned by a single or few people with THAT interest in mind is usually a better thing... |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:21:07 AM EDT
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VerticalScope just bought HKpro.com..
The new female admin announced it on forum and was asked if she even owned a gun...she said.."uh no..." I also noticed a few of my posts were deleted (talking about shill bidding on Gunbroker) I've been on that forum for 11 years and know the original owner..but crap. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:27:55 AM EDT
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ That is where I remembered that name from. Pirate seems to be same ol same ol FWIW. ETA: Pirate changed a bit but I equated that to the decrease in popularity of rock donkeying more then the buyout. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:33:15 AM EDT
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Some more digging turns up the fact that the majority owner of Vertical Scope is Torstar the same company that publishes the anti - gun newspaper, The Toronto Star.
https://www.thestar.com/business/2015/07/29/torstar-buys-stake-in-digital-media-company.html Torstar Corp., which publishes the Toronto Star, has acquired a 56 per cent stake in digital media company VerticalScope Holdings Inc., for $200 million, the company announced Wednesday. VerticalScope owns and operates more than 600 online forums and premium content sites across North America, including AutoGuide.com, PetGuide.com, Motorcycle.com and ATV.com. The Toronto-based firm is the type of substantial, high-growth investment Torstar has been seeking since selling its stake in Harlequin book publishing in 2014, president and chief executive officer David Holland told analysts on a conference call after the announcement. “As you know, we’ve been assessing opportunities to employ the capital that resulted from the Harlequin sale,” Holland said. With more than 80 million unique visitors and more than 500 million page views a month, VerticalScope’s websites offer advertisers access to large audiences, Torstar said. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:36:34 AM EDT
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Every knee shall bow to the Canadian Empire! / Toute personne doit executér prosterner devant l'Empire Canadien! I see you saved yourself from a fine already. 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 1:21:58 PM EDT
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if you ever graduate from high school, and get a job read up on non compete clauses edit - added where one would have to worry about non compete clauses Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't care even if they bought forums to close them you can just start new ones... who owns ar15rifles.com, etc Lol. Economics much? If Soros was pumping money into the industry thats a good thing for us. Those site owners would laugh all the way to the bank then turn around and start another site. Blow the rest on hookers. Silly myth keeps floating around. We welcome his investment. if you ever graduate from high school, and get a job read up on non compete clauses edit - added where one would have to worry about non compete clauses 
CoC much? This went from silly to insults pretty quick. Is it my turn for personal attacks now? Where to begin? Liberal, commie, etc? Shall I insult your lack of class, therefore how you were raised? Which might be an insult to your momma, your heritage, etc. Then some homophobic and cultural slurs... Research your posts and get really personal. Then Arock you. What was this thread about? |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:05:55 PM EDT
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Meh. The value of this forum is in the Membership. What would the censorship be like? More? Less? The Same? Nope. The value to the forum owner is money. Income is generated by: 1) Direct fees/sales (membership fees, merch.) 2) Advertising revenues 3) Data mining to sell to other companies Costs are IP (1x payment), bandwidth and tech expenses (sort of fixed), and personnel. The last is where they will try to save money by consolidating mods across all their holdings. Idea is that you don't need to know the subject to moderate, just a set of policies. The value to the forum members? Largely information. We pay for that information by being advertised to, having our data sold, and sometimes directly. (Note, speaking generally, not talking about Arfcom per se.) The information is largely generated by the members, but not always, and when they leave their previous contributions generally stay. But the forum does not have a copyright on that information (well, they might), and it can be easily reposted elsewhere. Companies buy a forum thinking they are getting the IP, infrastructure, and membership data. Which is true - once. They then need to keep the membership happy, or the information generators will leave and take members with them, reducing the value of the data mining and advertising. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:09:06 PM EDT
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I guess we'll have to start RyansSteakhouse.com
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:23:04 PM EDT
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VS bought ACRForum.com not long ago as well. It was the best place for ACR tech and 3rd party stuff since Bushmaster likes to pretend they don't manufacture them. Fully expect it to go to shit soon.
Didn't know they bought HKPro. That is unfortunate. While it is probably only a misguided attempt at grabbing sweet, sweet advertising dollars, I really don't like the idea of all this forum purchasing. It's served the radio markets so well. 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:28:37 PM EDT
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Has Facebook made Arfcom an offer yet?
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:30:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? Holy shit, you are such a conspiracy theorist, it's hilarious. "WHAT IF CANADIANS TOOK OVER ALL OF THE THINGS! HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT!???!!"  |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:32:15 PM EDT
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I always crackup when someone buys an internet forum like it's some top business decision that will yield massive returns.
You are better off investing in a lemonade stand. The only reason I can see if it's agenda or control driven, such as a parts company wants to pimp their products and control the reviews. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:33:05 PM EDT
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That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ yup, it's been going downhill ever since. That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Hopefully they buy sigforum... Wait then their meglomanic leader would get paid. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:37:38 PM EDT
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Good day.
Welcome to our gun forum, eh. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ yup, it's been going downhill ever since. That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. I bet the Avilas could be talked into starting a sig board or separate sig section like our 1911 section. Edward (the son) is big into Sigs and EdSr has sigs (or did anyway, I saw him with some small 6shot type little sig) |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:44:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They mine the banned members, not the pissed off members. A slight, but important difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trying to purchase and monetize topical forums seems like a suckers game. The cost of entry for competitors is ridiculously low, and the members tend to be invested in the topic, not the forum, so there's a very low "cost" for moving to a different forum. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How many times has that happened to this site?  They mine the banned members, not the pissed off members. A slight, but important difference. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:44:23 PM EDT
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My concern would be the subscriber information for those paying members.
What is the company going to do with the address and other info required? Food for thought. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many times has that happened to this site? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trying to purchase and monetize topical forums seems like a suckers game. The cost of entry for competitors is ridiculously low, and the members tend to be invested in the topic, not the forum, so there's a very low "cost" for moving to a different forum. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How many times has that happened to this site? |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:46:19 PM EDT
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:53:48 PM EDT
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Do NOT try to go to: www.arfcom.com
Bad shit will happen. Virus blocker and malware alerts went off bigtime Anyway, not sure who owns that site.....but it aint' good 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:56:56 PM EDT
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Competition breeds improvement. Good. That only works if the sites get better. As others have posted, they actually get worse. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:57:41 PM EDT
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Competition breeds improvement. Good. That only works if the sites get better. As others have posted, they actually get worse. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 2:58:10 PM EDT
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soros
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:03:12 PM EDT
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Hay , look , I spent 2 years wages to become a life member, I never got a stock certificate or anything, If the greedy owners of this site sell it I want my fair share.
No homo, I love this place ! 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:10:50 PM EDT
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That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ yup, it's been going downhill ever since. That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Well there is a site I can delete from my bookmarks. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:11:34 PM EDT
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Meh. The value of this forum is in the Membership. What would the censorship be like? More? Less? The Same? Go read up on Vertical Scope. Adds pout the ass and spambots posting in threads. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:12:54 PM EDT
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VerticalScope just bought HKpro.com.. The new female admin announced it on forum and was asked if she even owned a gun...she said.."uh no..." I also noticed a few of my posts were deleted (talking about shill bidding on Gunbroker) I've been on that forum for 11 years and know the original owner..but crap. There is another bookmark I can delete. 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:15:01 PM EDT
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Holy shit, you are such a conspiracy theorist, it's hilarious. "WHAT IF CANADIANS TOOK OVER ALL OF THE THINGS! HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT ABOOT THAT!???!!"
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How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? Holy shit, you are such a conspiracy theorist, it's hilarious. "WHAT IF CANADIANS TOOK OVER ALL OF THE THINGS! HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT ABOOT THAT!???!!"
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:15:34 PM EDT
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ Might be the only thing they've bought that didn't turn to total shit. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:19:41 PM EDT
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I for one sure hope this site doesn't sell out to them....
i was on one of their websites and got banned for life by their MOD after i called another user a name after he kept bashing me for the price i was offering somethng in the classified section. their MOD also banned another friend of mine for the same thing.... i think that was stupid...but whatever...i mean kick me off for a month...6 months...or a year. but lifetime ban? that's fucking stupid. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:20:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:21:59 PM EDT
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IDK. This is the only forum of any real size that I belong to, or post on. The other two are tiny, specialized and non commercial. If this place gets sold, it would most likely end up the same as most other forums after the founders sell. In other words, down the tubes. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:22:49 PM EDT
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Go figure. something something money money..
Kinda like snipershide got bought out by Scout, and it went to shit. If I was a life member on arfcom and it got bought out, I'd be pissed...probably want a refund. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:31:24 PM EDT
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The akforum was already going downhill, but being bought out was the final nail in the coffin.
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:43:44 PM EDT
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damn furnurs use different lectrons.
i only like free lectrons. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:53:22 PM EDT
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That only works if the sites get better. As others have posted, they actually get worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Competition breeds improvement. Good. That only works if the sites get better. As others have posted, they actually get worse. And what happens when they get worse? |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 3:57:51 PM EDT
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glock talk and snipershide got bought (not by the canadian co) but kept the same guys who started the boards around. I can see for boards that are big enough to take a bunch of work, but too small to live off of, why the owners would be interested in selling or leasing the boards to a third party and let them handle the bullshit of maintaining the software and paying for the internet connection and servers I bailed on Glocktalk, the new format sucked.
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:02:53 PM EDT
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Vertical Scope sucks
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:03:49 PM EDT
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VerticalScope just bought HKpro.com.. The new female admin announced it on forum and was asked if she even owned a gun...she said.."uh no..." I also noticed a few of my posts were deleted (talking about shill bidding on Gunbroker) I've been on that forum for 11 years and know the original owner..but crap. I'm sure it wasn't her. Probably the delete happy admin Jeff Folloder who brought the gun community such wonderful ATF rule changes like 41f and 29p as the Executive Director, Secretary/Treasurer of the NFATCA. Not surprising from a forum founded by a deputy chief that disgracefully resigned with the Columbia Police Department for having a extramarital affair with a subordinate. He sold the forum in the midst of the divorce. Yeah, I'll avoid that place like the plague now.
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:08:05 PM EDT
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like the way the buy out of snipers hide fucked that site up - now its got aids 90% of the reason I came to this site is the bullshit happening to the Hide |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funded by Soros Bagged Milk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? Funded by Soros Bagged Milk. FIFY |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:18:44 PM EDT
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Vertical Scope is terrible. Ten years ago they bought three motorcycle forums I was a member of and they quickly became ghost towns.
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:25:01 PM EDT
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Buy them, then shut them down.
Paint the remaining one as domestic terrorists. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:28:06 PM EDT
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They bought out an exotic pet forum that I was a member of and the forum turned to shit after that. They shit the bed on moderators firing most of the ones on the board and bringing in outsiders that had no idea what was going on. They allowed shill accounts out the wazoo and then tripled the advertising rates for sponsors (most who were very supportive if the hobby) driving them off. Then they started charging to use the classifieds in addition to regular membership and free memberships couldn't see anything. That forum is mostly dead now and it isn't the first or last they have done that too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? They bought out an exotic pet forum that I was a member of and the forum turned to shit after that. They shit the bed on moderators firing most of the ones on the board and bringing in outsiders that had no idea what was going on. They allowed shill accounts out the wazoo and then tripled the advertising rates for sponsors (most who were very supportive if the hobby) driving them off. Then they started charging to use the classifieds in addition to regular membership and free memberships couldn't see anything. That forum is mostly dead now and it isn't the first or last they have done that too. That sounds like an amazing business plan and a surefire way to make a huge return investment! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:30:30 PM EDT
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Well there is a site I can delete from my bookmarks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ yup, it's been going downhill ever since. That's a shame since Vertical Scope has just acquired SIGtalk, a previously worthwhile firearms forum. Well there is a site I can delete from my bookmarks. Besides ruining gun forums with advertising/spam, there are 2 other big possible disadvantages here: 1) they could limit/shut down discussion of targeted guns at will - like if president Obama or Clinton asked them to. Imagine the entire NFA tech forum disappeared. Or we couldn't sell/discuss high caps. New Canadian owners could easily and forseeably do both. 2) data collection: sure, we are all paranoid about being on "lists." Specifically .gov lists. To compile lists, they use algorithms. Within the USA, a company could refuse a request to run an algorithm on Arfcom's users; in Canada they would gladly grant such a request. Speaking of which, .gov could get in trouble for official hacking of an American citizen's forum. But in Canada, they wouldn't even need a warrant. Hack away in the name of national security. I hope arfcom stays in safe hands. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bailed on Glocktalk, the new format sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: glock talk and snipershide got bought (not by the canadian co) but kept the same guys who started the boards around. I can see for boards that are big enough to take a bunch of work, but too small to live off of, why the owners would be interested in selling or leasing the boards to a third party and let them handle the bullshit of maintaining the software and paying for the internet connection and servers I bailed on Glocktalk, the new format sucked. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 4:45:39 PM EDT
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Oh, they bought pirate4x4, I didn't know that https://theadminzone.com/threads/verticalscope.39544/ They definitely haven't done a great job there. Everyone on the site is very disenfranchised with the maple syrup drinking owners, lol. Edit. Didn't see everyone had already responded with basically exactly my statement. But it bears repeating I suppose. Even though pirate already has a reputation for being a little aggressive, it got pretty hostile and still is in regards to vertical scope. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 5:08:58 PM EDT
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Some more digging turns up the fact that the majority owner of Vertical Scope is Torstar the same company that publishes the anti - gun newspaper, The Toronto Star.
https://www.thestar.com/business/2015/07/29/torstar-buys-stake-in-digital-media-company.html Torstar Corp., which publishes the Toronto Star, has acquired a 56 per cent stake in digital media company VerticalScope Holdings Inc., for $200 million, the company announced Wednesday. VerticalScope owns and operates more than 600 online forums and premium content sites across North America, including AutoGuide.com, PetGuide.com, Motorcycle.com and ATV.com. The Toronto-based firm is the type of substantial, high-growth investment Torstar has been seeking since selling its stake in Harlequin book publishing in 2014, president and chief executive officer David Holland told analysts on a conference call after the announcement. “As you know, we’ve been assessing opportunities to employ the capital that resulted from the Harlequin sale,” Holland said. With more than 80 million unique visitors and more than 500 million page views a month, VerticalScope’s websites offer advertisers access to large audiences, Torstar said. Interesting, The Star are Fabian socialists. Look up the "Atkinson Principles". This acquisition fits their business model pretty well. Here in Ontario, Torstar bought up 100+ local community newspapers. They drove their rivals out of business by offering cheaper advertising rates. They then pushed the leftist agenda to all these smaller, conservative farming communities throughout the province. They do it right here in my own local community. Their editorial line is big city, multicult globalist all the way in a small farming area. They stole all the local advertising and the paper is an inch and a half thick of flyers. Gets tossed on my driveway once a week. They are going to push the same insidious crap through these 600 websites they now seem to control. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 5:19:10 PM EDT
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Interesting, The Star are Fabian socialists. Look up the "Atkinson Principles". This acquisition fits their business model pretty well. Here in Ontario, Torstar bought up 100+ local community newspapers. They drove their rivals out of business by offering cheaper advertising rates. They then pushed the leftist agenda to all these smaller, conservative farming communities throughout the province. They do it right here in my own local community. Their editorial line is big city, multicult globalist all the way in a small farming area. They stole all the local advertising and the paper is an inch and a half thick of flyers. Gets tossed on my driveway once a week. They are going to push the same insidious crap through these 600 websites they now seem to control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some more digging turns up the fact that the majority owner of Vertical Scope is Torstar the same company that publishes the anti - gun newspaper, The Toronto Star.
https://www.thestar.com/business/2015/07/29/torstar-buys-stake-in-digital-media-company.html Torstar Corp., which publishes the Toronto Star, has acquired a 56 per cent stake in digital media company VerticalScope Holdings Inc., for $200 million, the company announced Wednesday. VerticalScope owns and operates more than 600 online forums and premium content sites across North America, including AutoGuide.com, PetGuide.com, Motorcycle.com and ATV.com. The Toronto-based firm is the type of substantial, high-growth investment Torstar has been seeking since selling its stake in Harlequin book publishing in 2014, president and chief executive officer David Holland told analysts on a conference call after the announcement. “As you know, we’ve been assessing opportunities to employ the capital that resulted from the Harlequin sale,” Holland said. With more than 80 million unique visitors and more than 500 million page views a month, VerticalScope’s websites offer advertisers access to large audiences, Torstar said. Interesting, The Star are Fabian socialists. Look up the "Atkinson Principles". This acquisition fits their business model pretty well. Here in Ontario, Torstar bought up 100+ local community newspapers. They drove their rivals out of business by offering cheaper advertising rates. They then pushed the leftist agenda to all these smaller, conservative farming communities throughout the province. They do it right here in my own local community. Their editorial line is big city, multicult globalist all the way in a small farming area. They stole all the local advertising and the paper is an inch and a half thick of flyers. Gets tossed on my driveway once a week. They are going to push the same insidious crap through these 600 websites they now seem to control. Thanks for your knowledgeable insight. |
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