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Posted: 5/11/2016 5:19:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryTake off you hoser 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 7:14:11 PM EDT
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O Canada, it has begun!
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Posted: 5/11/2016 9:10:19 PM EDT
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Some of the "Supporting Members" who signed on believing that they were helping to defray the cost of running the site appear to be unhappy that the original owner held out his hand for money while negotiating to sell the site to a large media corporation.
I don't mind helping the Avillas in my own small way by supporting their family owned business by purchasing a membership; but I can understand why "Supporting Member" folks might resent having been sold to Vertical Scope along with the forum. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 9:17:49 PM EDT
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I am okay with this(one who drinks milk out of a bag)
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Posted: 5/12/2016 7:31:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of the "Supporting Members" who signed on believing that they were helping to defray the cost of running the site appear to be unhappy that the original owner held out his hand for money while negotiating to sell the site to a large media corporation. I don't mind helping the Avillas in my own small way by supporting their family owned business by purchasing a membership; but I can understand why "Supporting Member" folks might resent having been sold to Vertical Scope along with the forum. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 7:35:31 AM EDT
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Team Memberships would only be $19.53/yr!
Hell yeah. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 8:15:48 AM EDT
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Which site are you talking about? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of the "Supporting Members" who signed on believing that they were helping to defray the cost of running the site appear to be unhappy that the original owner held out his hand for money while negotiating to sell the site to a large media corporation. I don't mind helping the Avillas in my own small way by supporting their family owned business by purchasing a membership; but I can understand why "Supporting Member" folks might resent having been sold to Vertical Scope along with the forum. Sigtalk. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 9:06:21 AM EDT
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Well played. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 11:18:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigtalk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of the "Supporting Members" who signed on believing that they were helping to defray the cost of running the site appear to be unhappy that the original owner held out his hand for money while negotiating to sell the site to a large media corporation. I don't mind helping the Avillas in my own small way by supporting their family owned business by purchasing a membership; but I can understand why "Supporting Member" folks might resent having been sold to Vertical Scope along with the forum. Sigtalk. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 11:19:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well played. Quote HistoryI was hoping I'd at least get one laugh. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 11:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 2:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. I'd like to try playing it someday. eta: I should have added an "Italian Supermodels" button. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 2:16:45 PM EDT
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That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. ARFCOM sponsored Curling Team for the win! 
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Posted: 5/12/2016 3:06:47 PM EDT
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It's like having the NSA spy on it's citizens. At some point in time, a hostile person could become President and your data then unsafe. On a Gun Forum, whoever buys the forum now has access to a lot of your information. Hope it's not Soros.
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Posted: 5/12/2016 3:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ARFCOM sponsored Curling Team for the win! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. ARFCOM sponsored Curling Team for the win!  |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 4:00:02 PM EDT
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That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. Look just put together an overall personal grooming forum, some of you guys are obsessed with your hair. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 4:03:12 PM EDT
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Thanks. I spent a good bit of time Photoshopping that, when I should have been working. I was hoping I'd at least get one laugh.
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Well played. I was hoping I'd at least get one laugh.
The Boxing day specials are the icing on the cake. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 4:05:21 PM EDT
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I agree! I had a business trip to Manitoba many years ago. There was some big curling tournament going on in Canada at the time, so it was on TV every day, for hours. I had a lot of time to sit around between meetings, and it was 20 below outside, so I sat around the hotel watching curling matches for hours and hours. I was completely hooked on it for a couple days. I'd like to try playing it someday. eta: I should have added an "Italian Supermodels" button. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. I agree! I had a business trip to Manitoba many years ago. There was some big curling tournament going on in Canada at the time, so it was on TV every day, for hours. I had a lot of time to sit around between meetings, and it was 20 below outside, so I sat around the hotel watching curling matches for hours and hours. I was completely hooked on it for a couple days. I'd like to try playing it someday. eta: I should have added an "Italian Supermodels" button. I watched it at the Olympics in salt lake. It was one of the better events I went to. The crowd was louder than I expected. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 5:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched it at the Olympics in salt lake. It was one of the better events I went to. The crowd was louder than I expected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. I agree! I had a business trip to Manitoba many years ago. There was some big curling tournament going on in Canada at the time, so it was on TV every day, for hours. I had a lot of time to sit around between meetings, and it was 20 below outside, so I sat around the hotel watching curling matches for hours and hours. I was completely hooked on it for a couple days. I'd like to try playing it someday. eta: I should have added an "Italian Supermodels" button. I watched it at the Olympics in salt lake. It was one of the better events I went to. The crowd was louder than I expected. |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 6:00:55 PM EDT
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I will not drink bagged milk
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Posted: 5/12/2016 6:10:57 PM EDT
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I hope Donald Trump buys arfcon and fires the mods.
Bwaaaahahhhhhhhaaaaaaa |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 6:18:04 PM EDT
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I saw that on HKPro. It's the first forum I joined and I'm one of the oldest participating members there.
It's sad knowing it'll probably die. This site has such a negative attitude towards HK that it is a nice escape to go over there and not read "because you suck and we hate you." |
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Posted: 5/12/2016 6:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh shit, that just made my day 
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Posted: 5/13/2016 12:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh shit, that just made my day Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh shit, that just made my day  |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 12:35:29 PM EDT
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Interesting, The Star are Fabian socialists. Look up the "Atkinson Principles". This acquisition fits their business model pretty well. Here in Ontario, Torstar bought up 100+ local community newspapers. They drove their rivals out of business by offering cheaper advertising rates. They then pushed the leftist agenda to all these smaller, conservative farming communities throughout the province. They do it right here in my own local community. Their editorial line is big city, multicult globalist all the way in a small farming area. They stole all the local advertising and the paper is an inch and a half thick of flyers. Gets tossed on my driveway once a week. They are going to push the same insidious crap through these 600 websites they now seem to control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some more digging turns up the fact that the majority owner of Vertical Scope is Torstar the same company that publishes the anti - gun newspaper, The Toronto Star. 
https://www.thestar.com/business/2015/07/29/torstar-buys-stake-in-digital-media-company.html Torstar Corp., which publishes the Toronto Star, has acquired a 56 per cent stake in digital media company VerticalScope Holdings Inc., for $200 million, the company announced Wednesday. VerticalScope owns and operates more than 600 online forums and premium content sites across North America, including AutoGuide.com, PetGuide.com, Motorcycle.com and ATV.com. The Toronto-based firm is the type of substantial, high-growth investment Torstar has been seeking since selling its stake in Harlequin book publishing in 2014, president and chief executive officer David Holland told analysts on a conference call after the announcement. “As you know, we’ve been assessing opportunities to employ the capital that resulted from the Harlequin sale,” Holland said. With more than 80 million unique visitors and more than 500 million page views a month, VerticalScope’s websites offer advertisers access to large audiences, Torstar said. Interesting, The Star are Fabian socialists. Look up the "Atkinson Principles". This acquisition fits their business model pretty well. Here in Ontario, Torstar bought up 100+ local community newspapers. They drove their rivals out of business by offering cheaper advertising rates. They then pushed the leftist agenda to all these smaller, conservative farming communities throughout the province. They do it right here in my own local community. Their editorial line is big city, multicult globalist all the way in a small farming area. They stole all the local advertising and the paper is an inch and a half thick of flyers. Gets tossed on my driveway once a week. They are going to push the same insidious crap through these 600 websites they now seem to control. I wonder what they will do to Arfcom? Good things? Or bad things? |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 12:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That reminds me, we DO need a curling forum. ARFCOM sponsored Curling Team for the win! http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=88286 |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 12:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: like the way the buy out of snipers hide fucked that site up - now its got aids |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 12:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Economics much? If Soros was pumping money into the industry thats a good thing for us. Those site owners would laugh all the way to the bank then turn around and start another site. Blow the rest on hookers. Silly myth keeps floating around. We welcome his investment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't care even if they bought forums to close them you can just start new ones... who owns ar15rifles.com, etc Lol. Economics much? If Soros was pumping money into the industry thats a good thing for us. Those site owners would laugh all the way to the bank then turn around and start another site. Blow the rest on hookers. Silly myth keeps floating around. We welcome his investment. .....economics much?... because you dont. |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 1:00:49 PM EDT
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Go figure. something something money money.. Kinda like snipershide got bought out by Scout, and it went to shit. If I was a life member on arfcom and it got bought out, I'd be pissed...probably want a refund. Lol.no refunds due or expected. It was a gift to the site on my part as I care about its welfare. Sucks about hkpro I hope Tom made out like a bandit though 
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Posted: 5/13/2016 1:02:01 PM EDT
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Do NOT try to go to: www.arfcom.com 
Bad shit will happen. Virus blocker and malware alerts went off bigtime Anyway, not sure who owns that site.....but it aint' good Just went there on my iphone. No way I'm touching that site with my PC. |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 1:05:19 PM EDT
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Is their goal to buy them up with the intent of shutting them down?
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Posted: 5/13/2016 1:18:11 PM EDT
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Is their goal to buy them up with the intent of shutting them down? Doubtful. Their plan is to do what larger companies/equity groups do. Buy something, lower the quality and content (see:expenses) of it to the least common denominator, over-zealously moderate the shit out of it banning anyone questioning anything about the site or rocking the boat and then inundate you with apps, trackers, malware, data-mining, ads, ads, ads, email ads, more ads ads ads ads. To a lesser extent look at Snipers Hide. Frank sold it yet was able to keep it as far as content and moderation, so that didn't go to total shit. However, the scout site itself practically rapes you with trackers, ads, emails and who the hell knows what else. You go there to learn about distance shooting and there's CLICK FOR TOP 10 NFL DRAFT BUSTS!!1!1!! all over the fucking place. Had he not kept the moderation end of things, that place would be filled with CoD idiots and nothing else. That's pretty much what Vertical Scope does. |
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Posted: 5/13/2016 1:47:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2016 2:02:56 PM EDT
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They bought HK Pro a couple weeks ago
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:17:54 PM EDT
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It sucks when this happens, but people need to understand that costs tend to explode for forums as they become popular and you go from paying $300-$400 a year to paying ridiculous amounts per month! Our costs were about 5k/year when we had a partial T1 back before 2001. That was for a non-profitable site. (Zero income.) For some of these guys, to be able to pocket 100k or more and walk away before facing these growing pains is a blessing. It's hard to fault them for it, but at the same time those users with deep ties to the site feel the pain. We have always tried to make everyone welcome here from any sites, so if there's an area that needs to be expanded to accommodate new folks, we'll do it. (You know you can hang on in the HK forum in the Armory section!) Most of the companies buying forums like these guys and Outdoor Hub (they bought glock talk and a few others) use them for their traffic and domain names. Having a good domain name means they can get value from them even with losing a good portion of their users. To them it's about the big picture for advertising, not the community they bought into. It's just how things work these days. ARFCOM has not been sold and will remain a home for everyone here as long as possible.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:19:15 PM EDT
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If they bought arfcom, would targettarget become site staff?
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:30:01 PM EDT
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I've been a member of a few forums taken over by Vertical Scope. My advice to the owners of arfcom if they make an offer is to not just say no, but hell no! Every forum they have taken over has gone to shit. Like already stated the advertisments increase exponentially, and on one forum they were allowing advertisers who were loading up malware on people's computers. They add their own administrator who will act like a little hitler booting and banning every member or moderator who doesn't tow the Vertical Scope line that VS is all that is good for the world of forums. Finally most of the regular members will leave and the forum will be a ghost town forever. Most of the forums they have taken over used to have all kinds of traffic, and now most have threads months or even years old on the first page of every forum. Another common change is the "what happened to this place?" thread were the few remaining old time members talk about how the forum used to be. Its a bad deal for the forum, but I guess they make it worth the owner's time because they have bought up a lot of my favorite forums over the years killing them one by one. VS is a terrible company IMHO.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:38:37 PM EDT
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Case in point, go to http://www.cycleforums.com and look at their general chat forum called "The Grandstands". There are threads on their first page from 2011! Back in its heyday a new thread would be on the 2nd page within a few hours like here on arfcom. Another victim of VS I'm afraid.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:48:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? I'm not sure I'd keep a membership if a corporation bought ARFCOM. I don't need an Avatar that bad. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 1:49:36 PM EDT
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I'm not sure I'd keep a membership if a corporation bought ARFCOM. I don't need an Avatar that bad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How would you feel about continuing to be a member and posting on a gun forum that was bought out by a foreign internet media corporation? I'm not sure I'd keep a membership if a corporation bought ARFCOM. I don't need an Avatar that bad. Lifers would get hosed, although the cost paid will be negligible if the time of the sale is far enough out. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 2:02:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:01:28 PM EDT
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No plan to sell, unless someone here has a stack of ones that's burning a hole in their pocket.
It wasn't easy to make that small to big transition, but we survived it. These days it's still a grind and chaotic more often than not, but it's worth the efforts. Hopefully you guys remember that as we unleash a new arfcom soon.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:06:44 PM EDT
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No plan to sell, unless someone here has a stack of ones that's burning a hole in their pocket.
It wasn't easy to make that small to big transition, but we survived it. These days it's still a grind and chaotic more often than not, but it's worth the efforts. Hopefully you guys remember that as we unleash a new arfcom soon. Out of historical curiosity, what time frame was the transition? |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:13:32 PM EDT
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As long as they don't try to convince me that Canadian Bacon is bacon I'm OK with it. Because, it's fucking ham. Thank you. Canadian bacon is some made up horseshit to push ham. I was born and raised in Canada and I never heard of Canadian Bacon till i moved to the US. It's fucking ham and you're being overcharged. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeed to get Canadian Tire and Canadian Tire Money in there somehow  |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:20:03 PM EDT
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HKpro..was just sold, not sure to who. Back a few years ago when I was heavy into the Porsche scene, 6speedonline.com was the best site on the net, period. The OT section was like GD x1000...the S FLA meet ups in South Beach were epic..then it got sold and in 3 months it was over.
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Posted: 5/14/2016 3:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No plan to sell, unless someone here has a stack of ones that's burning a hole in their pocket. It wasn't easy to make that small to big transition, but we survived it. These days it's still a grind and chaotic more often than not, but it's worth the efforts. Hopefully you guys remember that as we unleash a new arfcom soon. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 5:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HKpro..was just sold, not sure to who. Back a few years ago when I was heavy into the Porsche scene, 6speedonline.com was the best site on the net, period. The OT section was like GD x1000...the S FLA meet ups in South Beach were epic..then it got sold and in 3 months it was over. |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 5:53:18 PM EDT
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New Arfcom coming soon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No plan to sell, unless someone here has a stack of ones that's burning a hole in their pocket.
It wasn't easy to make that small to big transition, but we survived it. These days it's still a grind and chaotic more often than not, but it's worth the efforts. Hopefully you guys remember that as we unleash a new arfcom soon. Wait what?
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Posted: 5/14/2016 5:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait what? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No plan to sell, unless someone here has a stack of ones that's burning a hole in their pocket. It wasn't easy to make that small to big transition, but we survived it. These days it's still a grind and chaotic more often than not, but it's worth the efforts. Hopefully you guys remember that as we unleash a new arfcom soon. Wait what? He said he needs a stack of ones for the tittie bar. And in return, he'll give you ARFCOM. |
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