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Link Posted: 9/7/2014 1:30:42 AM EDT
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Did you efile the F1? Those are going through pretty quickly!
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Anyone get an approved/denied status yet?



pm sent.


Worst that will happen is they'll hold the money for a year and then send me a denied letter, right?

Did you efile the F1? Those are going through pretty quickly!



I've never filed a F1 (only F4s), hence, the pm to an actual lawyer.
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:10:29 PM EDT
ATF called, they want their stamp back.        
 
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.



 
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.
 

Interesting. Thanks for updating. I'd make a copy of the approval and frame it as a conversation piece.
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:32:05 PM EDT
Well, now someone has standing to sue, anyhow.
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.

 
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.

 
That's the sort of thing I'd call Allen Gura over. I'd love their explanation of why they are denying it.



 
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.
 

Post the approval when it arrives!
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That's the sort of thing I'd call Allen Gura over. I'd love their explanation of why they are denying it.

 
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.

 
That's the sort of thing I'd call Allen Gura over. I'd love their explanation of why they are denying it.

 




They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial.



 
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.
 



You paid the tax, they acknolwedged that you paid it.   Then they immediately sent you a letter saying they changed their mind about you having paid the tax?

I'm reeeeally curious to see what the second letter says.

I'd say get in touch with a lawyer well-versed on NFA stuff immediately before you do anything.
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Wait, they approved you and then recalled it?
I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail.  ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately.

 
That's the sort of thing I'd call Allen Gura over. I'd love their explanation of why they are denying it.

 




They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial.

 
ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.



 
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.
 
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lol, right.

I am so sending in a form 1 next week.
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.

 
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Odd & interesting...



 
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:41:38 PM EDT
Tagscribe - in for the ATF shenanigans...
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.

 
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They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial.

 
ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.

 
I'd be on the phone with the SAF or somebody else that is ornery, has money to burn, and has angry lawyers on standby wanting to kick ATF ass.



 
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:47:15 PM EDT
Anyone have SAF's contact information?  I'm not sure how keen they would be on a machinegun case given some of their Supreme Court arguments, but it's worth a shot.  





Unfortunately I don't have enough money to hire a lawyer myself.  I'm not even sure if their is much a lawyer can do.


       

 
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:47:41 PM EDT
Dis gon be gud.
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Tag.
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In
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:53:51 PM EDT
interesting
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:55:50 PM EDT
Wait you out outwitted the atf in their wording and tangle of bureaucratic rats nest of double speak?

I think you missed your calling if you pulled that off even for a moment.
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 2:56:11 PM EDT
Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread?
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Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread?
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Yes, I sent a short cover letter and attached a copy of the ATF letter stating trusts were not persons.



The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law.



I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter.  The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter.



 
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Yes, I sent a short cover letter and attached a copy of the ATF letter stating trusts were not persons.

The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law.

I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter.  The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter.
 
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Yes, I sent a short cover letter and attached a copy of the ATF letter stating trusts were not persons.

The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law.

I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter.  The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter.
 


was the ATF person you spoke to on the phone the examiner who approved it?
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Yes, I sent a short cover letter and attached a copy of the ATF letter stating trusts were not persons.



The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law.



I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter.  The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter.

 




was the ATF person you spoke to on the phone the examiner who approved it?
I did not recognize his name.  They have new examiners and I'm not familiar with all of them.  He didn't state that he was.



 
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tagged........
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I'm curious to see if they respond to the cover letter portion and if so, how.
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Those price points lead to people starting small businesses with SOT licenses. You can start a whole small business with that kind of capital.

 
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There are a few transferable M240s already. Although they run about $150,000 - $200,000
Those price points lead to people starting small businesses with SOT licenses. You can start a whole small business with that kind of capital.

 
I have often thought that would cap the prices on transferables.  Once you hit a certain price, it is cheaper to become a dealer/manufacturer.  Play with stuff for a decade or two and move on.

 





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I am not one to say this very often, if ever.




Lawyer up!







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Link Posted: 9/10/2014 3:09:58 PM EDT
jaqufrost, keep us updated buddy.  This could have legs.
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  I am not one to say this very often, if ever.

Lawyer up!




Day 1







This + 87 million
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 3:15:06 PM EDT
Tag!

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You have a stamp en route for a Form 1 (for Trust) to build an MG?

Holy shit.

Even if they revoke it or try to rescind it, this is amazing.
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I'm in for $100 if you lawyer up and go for it.

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I'm curious to hear from a lawyer on where the ATF derives authority to "rescind" a tax stamp.
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 3:18:13 PM EDT
This. Is. Awesome.
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this certainly got interesting..
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This could be the most exciting and interesting thing to hit NFA since the first discussions regarding NFA trusts.
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This will get good
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Did you eform or paper form it?
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In!
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HOLY SHIT. I never thought I'd see the day...
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IBDOJIIMFW

("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping")  
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 3:26:15 PM EDT
Sofa King IN.
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title.
Link Posted: 9/10/2014 3:26:45 PM EDT
Call the NAACP,and tell them your a victim of a hate crime

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Paper form 1.



I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html



http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html



 
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Black rifles are a minority in the gun world.
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IBDOJIIMFW



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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it.  I recorded the call.  I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well.

 


IBDOJIIMFW



("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping")  

I'm in a single party state, I record all calls because you never know when an interesting one will happen.



 
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Paper form 1.

I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html
 


Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox.
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