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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:30:42 AM EDT
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Did you efile the F1? Those are going through pretty quickly!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone get an approved/denied status yet? pm sent. Worst that will happen is they'll hold the money for a year and then send me a denied letter, right? Did you efile the F1? Those are going through pretty quickly! I've never filed a F1 (only F4s), hence, the pm to an actual lawyer. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:10:29 PM EDT
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ATF called, they want their stamp back.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:21:00 PM EDT
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ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:30:46 PM EDT
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail. ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? Interesting. Thanks for updating. I'd make a copy of the approval and frame it as a conversation piece. 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:32:05 PM EDT
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Well, now someone has standing to sue, anyhow.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:32:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail. ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:34:22 PM EDT
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail. ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? Post the approval when it arrives! |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the sort of thing I'd call Allen Gura over. I'd love their explanation of why they are denying it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:34:36 PM EDT
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I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail. ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? You paid the tax, they acknolwedged that you paid it. Then they immediately sent you a letter saying they changed their mind about you having paid the tax? I'm reeeeally curious to see what the second letter says. I'd say get in touch with a lawyer well-versed on NFA stuff immediately before you do anything. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:40:22 PM EDT
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. lol, right. I am so sending in a form 1 next week. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. Odd & interesting... |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:41:38 PM EDT
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Tagscribe - in for the ATF shenanigans...
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They even (supposedly) approved it first; so now it's the ATF revoking the previously approved stamped vs a flat denial. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:47:15 PM EDT
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Anyone have SAF's contact information? I'm not sure how keen they would be on a machinegun case given some of their Supreme Court arguments, but it's worth a shot.
Unfortunately I don't have enough money to hire a lawyer myself. I'm not even sure if their is much a lawyer can do. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:47:41 PM EDT
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Dis gon be gud.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:50:07 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:53:27 PM EDT
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In
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:53:51 PM EDT
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interesting
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:55:50 PM EDT
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Wait you out outwitted the atf in their wording and tangle of bureaucratic rats nest of double speak?
I think you missed your calling if you pulled that off even for a moment. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:56:11 PM EDT
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Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread?
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Posted: 9/10/2014 2:59:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread? The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law. I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter. The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:01:55 PM EDT
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Yes, I sent a short cover letter and attached a copy of the ATF letter stating trusts were not persons. The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law. I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter. The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread? The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law. I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter. The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter. was the ATF person you spoke to on the phone the examiner who approved it? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: was the ATF person you spoke to on the phone the examiner who approved it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you send your form 1 in with any sort of argument or case to be made regarding the ATF opinion letter linked to in the original post of this thread? The cover letter pointed out that per their own ATF letter trusts were not "persons" and therefore did not fall under 922o and as such please approve the Form 1 in accordance with the law. I'll have to go back and find a copy of my original letter. The ATF agent on the phone had no idea I had submitted a cover letter. was the ATF person you spoke to on the phone the examiner who approved it? |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:05:01 PM EDT
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tagged........
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:06:01 PM EDT
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I'm curious to see if they respond to the cover letter portion and if so, how.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those price points lead to people starting small businesses with SOT licenses. You can start a whole small business with that kind of capital. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SNIP There are a few transferable M240s already. Although they run about $150,000 - $200,000 |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:09:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly both a denial and an approval are in the mail. ATF called and wants the approval returned immediately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? I am not one to say this very often, if ever. Lawyer up! Day 1 |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:09:58 PM EDT
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jaqufrost, keep us updated buddy. This could have legs.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:10:48 PM EDT
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I am not one to say this very often, if ever. Lawyer up! Day 1
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ATF called, they want their stamp back. Wait, they approved you and then recalled it? I am not one to say this very often, if ever. Lawyer up! Day 1
This + 87 million |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:15:06 PM EDT
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Tag!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:15:40 PM EDT
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You have a stamp en route for a Form 1 (for Trust) to build an MG?
Holy shit. Even if they revoke it or try to rescind it, this is amazing. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:16:58 PM EDT
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I'm in for $100 if you lawyer up and go for it. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:17:36 PM EDT
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You have a stamp en route for a Form 1 (for Trust) to build an MG? Holy shit. Even if they revoke it or try to rescind it, this is amazing. I'm curious to hear from a lawyer on where the ATF derives authority to "rescind" a tax stamp. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:18:13 PM EDT
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This. Is. Awesome.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:19:55 PM EDT
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this certainly got interesting..
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:21:32 PM EDT
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this certainly got interesting.. This could be the most exciting and interesting thing to hit NFA since the first discussions regarding NFA trusts. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:23:50 PM EDT
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This will get good
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:24:29 PM EDT
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Did you eform or paper form it?
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:25:18 PM EDT
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In!
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:25:43 PM EDT
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HOLY SHIT. I never thought I'd see the day...
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:25:59 PM EDT
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ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. IBDOJIIMFW ("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping")
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:26:15 PM EDT
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Sofa King IN.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:26:44 PM EDT
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OP - A title update is probably in order.... things just got interesting in a way that those who haven't been tracking this may not immediately appreciate based on the title.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:26:45 PM EDT
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Call the NAACP,and tell them your a victim of a hate crime
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you eform or paper form it? I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:27:23 PM EDT
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Call the NAACP,and tell them your a victim of a hate crime Black rifles are a minority in the gun world. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IBDOJIIMFW ("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping") Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ATF agent stated they denied first, then accidentally ran it a second time and approved it. I recorded the call. I haven't had time to check my audio (and won't until after work) but hopefully it came out well. IBDOJIIMFW ("In Before DOJ Is Indicting Me For Wiretapping") |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 3:28:52 PM EDT
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Paper form 1. I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you eform or paper form it? I was hoping something would show up soon after two threads on Form 1's coming in from April. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/430548_I_just_got_a_paper_form_1_back_in_less_than_4_months__April_pending_date_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/431281_Got_a_Surprise_in_the_Mail_Yesterday.html Given the significance of this, if they actually sent you a stamp to build an MG I wouldn't be surprised if BATFE is sending agents to your local post office and/or to pull it out of your mailbox. |
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